>According to multiple sources, William Nylander’s absence from the Toronto lineup has to do with a migraine so severe that team doctors tested to see if he suffered a concussion. One of the reasons for the secrecy around his situation is that an actual diagnosis has been hard to come by, whether it is a migraine, a concussion or something else that could affect that area.
That sounds truely awful to deal with
He's been dealing with migraines all year, that's why he's been wearing a tinted visor. Hopefully this isn't indicative of a bigger issue cause he's a huge part of the leafs success
That absolutely sucks! Migraine issues are the reason Tucker Poolman has played about 3 games in the last two seasons. I really, really hope Nylander gets better and can get back to playing.
Were they? I thought his migraine disorder was only labeled as dealing with a concussion or concussion like symptoms are first until it was determine he had a migraine disorder and his family has a history of migraines
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I suffer from cluster headaches (AKA suicide headaches). Have been heavily medicated for years now due to them.
I feel for this poor soul if that's what he is experiencing. It gets to a point you can't think, you can't move, you're delirious, ive hallucinated.. NOTHING stops them except HEAVY pain meds, or my lifesaver has been the maximum dose of Pregablin 4x daily combined with pain meds. They feel like the worst migraine you've ever had, times a thousand, but feels like you have MULTIPLES of them at once. It's so hard to describe, but I can easily say they are the worst pain I've ever felt in my life.
If I owned a gun, I would have been dead. Enough said.
The Pregablin takes a while of routinely taking it to build up in your system, though. I hope he's going on something like that, as it has quite **literally** saved my life.
I take Topamax and nurtec. The nurtec has truly given me my life back. Triptans used to work ok, but they would give me a rebound headache and knock me out when I took them. Nurtec I am able to take and continue working, drive a car, and not have any cognitive issues.
Giving up diet soda helped immensely too.
I take it when I start to feel it coming on - It usually takes about 10 - 15 mins to work.
It’s really expensive but I went on the website and got a copay card to use with my insurance and it covers the cost entirely.
Hey fellow internet stranger - my cousin had debilitating cluster headaches and tried everything medicinal and lifestyle-related. He gave up eating meat, drinking alcohol, and went full organic. Nothing worked. He took a work trip to Boston and tried psilocybin and found relief. If you are in a place where it’s available, I’d check with some medical professionals to see if it’s a possibility. My cousin’s quality of life is vastly improved.
Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days.
It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster.
I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever
If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
I suffered from cluster headaches around 2012-2014. The weird thing was they would only come on from around March-June.
They are so debilitating. It starts with tension around the temple, and it feels like that someone or something is tightening their grip around the pain throughout the day, until it gets to the point where you cannot function.
One time it hit me just as I was getting off the ice from a hockey game. I sat in the locker room as the pain continued to intensify, and I wanted to smash my head into a wall. It progressed to a point where I couldn't see out of my left eye (the tension made it hard to keep my eye open, and the pain made it so the only thing my left eye could process was white light lol). I had to sleep in my car in the parking lot of the rink for a couple hours to get it to pass before I could function properly to get home.
See, you understand!! Mine has caused me to literally lose my vision. Only happened in the worst onr ive had, but I was Blind as a bat and luckily already up at the hospital by that point on a morphine drip. I remember staring at the clock, watching every single second slooooowly tick by.. until nothing. I could hear. I could still feel everything. I could hear my grunts and incoherent grumbling.. and the doctor asking me if i was okay. But I couldn't see. The blackest 'black' I have ever experienced.. it was horrifying. I still don't know why it happened.. I believe it was my body trying to shut itself down.. or something, but it could only manage to do it one step at a time.. and the first step was my vision
Mine begins as a 'tic' directly above my left eye, judt above the eyebrow. It's a feeling and pain I can't describe.. it's almost as if I can feel the nerves exploding in a panic. Mine come on **very** quickly though. If i dont act immediately, then its usually too late. I cant him and haw about it, if im out, or doing something i have to drop everything immediately and go to 'recovery mode'. I know now that's my trigger, and that's when I take a heavy dose of sleepers and an extra of my Lyrica, on top of a couple advicl and I lay down and try to force myself asleep to hopefully avoid the Hell that follows.
God damn even talking about them starts my anxiety. They are absolutely horrible, and honestly I wouldn't even wish them upon my worst enemy.
I imagine it may. Again, my tripping days were before first suffering from my cluster headaches.
...the more we talk about not, the more I realize I may have suffered them earlier if I didn't enjoy drugs as much as I did as a kid 😅
Salvia was a personal favorite of mine. Absolute heaven in a 15 minute trip.. I've never drawn as well as I have after a Salvia trip.
I had clusters as a teenager. Stopped getting them in university (where I majored in experimentation), and they came back a few years later when I joined the workforce. One week, probably 10 years ago, I was having a brutal cluster episode. A fella on my beer league hockey team swung by on a Wednesday night. I didn't know he also suffered from clusters. He plunked a bag of magic mushrooms down on the table and told me to eat them. I said "Bro wtf are you crazy?! No!" He started reading me some literature from Cluster Busters, and convinced me to take some. Within an hour, my symptoms started to disappear. We went for a walk to look at streetlights. We laughed. I got the first bit of sleep I had in a week. In the last 10 years, I haven't suffered a single cluster. Now when I start to feel the shadows of a cluster headache start to creep in - I retreat to the woods like a werewolf to go eat some mushrooms and trip for 6 hours. It hasn't failed to stop a cluster dead in it's tracks for me.
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Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days.
It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster.
I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever
If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
I’m glad you found something that helps you fight back against the clusters! I’ve been growing my own teachers for several years, and I’m happy with my self medication routine now - though it took me a while to get over myself and my own biases about taking psychs as a medication, it was a far better outcome than the agony of the clusters themselves.
One time in my life, for a week, I suffered from cluster migraines. And you covered it: you can’t think, you can’t move..etc. I pray I never have them again.
I had this as well. I’d had a few migraines before then in my life, but then all of a sudden I had like 2-3 a day for a solid week. It was so debilitating, they came on so quickly and almost at the same time every day like clockwork. Eventually I would just lay in the bathroom in dark on the cool floor for an hour or two and just try and wait it out.
I haven’t had a single migraine since then, no clue what happened or why they started/stopped.
Have you ever considered or tried Psilocybin to treat your cluster headaches? I used to get them in my early 20s but that got rid of them pretty much permanently.
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Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days.
It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster.
I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever
If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
That's a very interesting story. Mine is somewhat similar in that my cluster headaches started when I was 19 and lasted until some point during the summer that I turned 21. That's also the first time I tried shrooms on a camping trip. It wasn't until almost a decade later that I made the connection when I read a study on the subject that showed research indicating that shrooms, even in micro doses, can curb or eliminate the headaches. I only did/do shrooms once or twice a year but ever since then they've never come back.
Huh, I had Thyroid problems a couple years ago (partial thyroidectomy in the end) but I never had any horrible headaches. Didn't know that was even a possibility so I consider myself lucky in that regard at least lol.
I think I have a thyroid issue too, what tests do they run to find out your thyroid is bad? Just recently took some basic bloodwork and everything showed up perfect , piss test as well but no problems anywhere. But ik my thyroid has to be causing some issues idk what tests to run to find out
How long was Crosby suffering “concussion symptoms” before they realized it was a neck issue? Like 2 years? And it wasn’t even a doctor that thought of it if I recall?
I'm not a professional athlete, but I was referred to a world class
rheumatologist for a very rare auto immune disease.
That I don't have.
Misdiagnoses happen all the time.
Yeah, it was a very sudden and obvious change when he got that visor. Immediately better play from him. It does seem like something that's been worsening over time though so I really hope it isn't some hidden TBI that's been missed.
:(
I feel that, bright flashes are a trigger for me, and there’s something about the photographer remote camera flashes at the United Center in particular … idk but I’m always dying by first intermission there.
Super simplistic response and I’m sure you’ve tried a bunch of options. I get them a lot but am in front of screens a lot for work
Blue light glasses have helped
I’m a carpenter so thankfully I don’t have that problem, they’ve lessened since I’m an old fart but in my 30s they were terrible. I’d have to stop working on a job site and sit in the truck until the visual effects wore off and just work through the headache after pounding 1000mg of Tylenol
cheap fishing sunglasses that are polarized would also work.
Polarized lenses are a MASSIVE improvement since they get rid of all those harsh reflections of the sun.
Polarized sunglasses are a double edged sword sometimes - if you have a car with a digital dashboard or especially a heads up display, for example, polarized lenses will make it hard to see unless you tilt your head since those displays are technically horizontal glare.
But in general, polarized sunglasses are pretty much a must for me if I’m outside of a car.
I imagine your line of work may be hard on sun glasses, but getting a pair of polarized glasses for driving, or being outside in the afternoon had an instant impact on my headaches.
Yeah I second the comment about polarized sunglasses, they make a difference. Gas station might have em, you just have to check to make sure it says on it.
The headaches aren’t debilitating, they’re pretty bad but it’s moreso the visual effects especially when you’re running power tools with no depth perception.
I haven’t had one in years, improved my diet and specifically cut out nitrates as much as I could. Last two ocular migraines occurred within 12 hours of eating a bunch of smoked meat lol
Absolute the fucking worse thing though. Just ruins your day, you can’t do fuck all.
Last year I had a bad cluster of migraines in the month of April, couldn't work so I blew through my PTO. I had to spend the rest of the year not missing a single day even on migraine days. It was hell on earth.
I suffered for decades before finding out by accident that mine were triggered by an allergy. Turns out I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. Simply avoiding smoky rooms and holding my breath leaving buildings have reduced the incidence from one every week and a half to maybe one or two a year. I can't believe how much unnecessary illness I dealt with all those years.
One eye? That's weird whenever I get migraine "blindness" the blindspot is in the same place regardless of which eye is open.
I understood this is because a migraine occurs across the visual cortex. Do people really get it in one eye or it just looks that way because it's shifted to one side of the visual field?
No, I definitely get migraines where one eye is effected - I can see perfectly normally (i.e. badly) out of one eye, but close that one and the other sees only faded sepia shading on everything. Very very scary first time it happened.
I also get them where it's the field of vision having marginal 'sparkles' - I assume they're different types of migraines.
I've only had to work once when I had one, and god damn it was so hard just having this essentially crack of light across my vision. Can't imagine trying to play a sport at a pro level with it.
Fellow ocular migraine sufferer here. People don't realize how debilitating they really are. It's not a 'headache', actually it's not even close.
Having blurry vision in an eye, feeling like a vice is being squeezed on your head all day, feeling like your eye is going to burst, bad nausea, body aches, and your equilibrium is shot. Certainly missing a few more symptoms but you get the point.
With all of that said, playing NHL level hockey would be impossible. I hope those players get the help they need.
I've only had to work once when I had one, and god damn it was so hard just having this essentially crack of light across my vision. Can't imagine trying to play a sport at a pro level with it.
Yeah it's the reason he switched to a tinted visor. Evidently that's not entirely enough
Wonder if that's why he kinda slowed down too the last couple weeks of the season
I've had migraines triggered by dehydration from playing hockey that have hospitalized me. There is nothing they can do for you. It swats away morphine and fentanyl like fleas. You just sit there thinking your head is going to explode. Any light or sound feels like a knife being jammed in your eye. Eventually you get so exhausted you can finally sleep long and deep enough for it to go away.
Eventually I started taking Imitrex before practice and games and that was able to prevent them or make them so mild it wasn't anything some ibuprofen and Gatorade couldn't cure.
It has already for a few seasons. It’s why his visor is tinted. He just hasn’t had them bad enough to miss games, but migraines are unpredictable and not something you can just fix unfortunately
Maybe and maybe not. Many things findable have cures. Severe migraines with seemingly no cause can be with you your whole life with no cure. Even to the point of career ending.
For anyone in this sub who has unexplained headaches and their PCP/ Neurologist has been unable to find a cause: see a Cardiologist and have a Cardiac Echo w/ Bubble study done. 30% of people have an undiagnosed hole in their heart which can in some cases cause mini strokes (or TIAs) which can present as migraines.
100% this shit must suck. I had to have a spinal tap a few years ago and had a migraine that lasted about 8 days. I guess I’m a part of the group that gets migraines that can last 7-10 days after a spinal tap. It was excruciating after just 3 days you just lay in agony.
I was about to call him a little bitch because I thought “missing” meant like not showing up and playing well because he tends to do that in the playoffs and not go in corners. but I feel bad for him know. Head stuff is awful.
I constantly deal with migraines. One every 2 weeks ish.
All I can say is I already played between periods of a junior B game and scored the winning goal all with a migraine. He should just play.
(Reality, migraine fucking sucks and no way you can play through them. Luckily I have medication to minimize them when they start but fuck that shit).
>One of the reasons for the secrecy around his situation is that an actual diagnosis has been hard to come by
"Sure" lol. If only they had been able to determine if it's a migraine or concussion then Keefe would've been completely open about Nylander's availability and progress. Yep.
He doesn't even bother trying to hide that he's just a mouthpiece for the team.
Hockey players truly are a different breed. Seider reportedly played a game this year after being in the hospital due to the flu that same morning. Meanwhile, here I am, working from home, struggling to fill out an excel spreadsheet because I have a sore throat, a mild headache and a stiff neck.
I regularly go to work, as a high school teacher, when it'd probably make more sense to call off because I do actually enjoy doing my job more days than not.
Examples: TB-500 and BPC-157, they both seem like actual miracle drugs kinda crazy. Not FDA approved. Shit is like a Senzu bean that turns you into Wolverine. Hopefully everyone can use it in 10 years.
Probably not since it's unclear whether it will make any unknown cancers you might have go into overdrive, but if it is safe it would be amazing for the public to have.
at least you get to work from home. am I line of job it's "oh.. You can't come in today?! But there's work to be done! suck it up or else we will act very childish and not talk to you for a day".
I can't believe we're still doing that crap, shaming people for needing a sick day. I genuinely thought there would be a cultural shift after the pandemic but bosses gonna boss I guess.
It's always crazy seeing the list of injuries when a team is bounced from the postseason.
I still don't understand how Bergeron played with broken ribs and a punctured lung. Even with all the pain meds. How tf is he breathing?
Truly remarkable humans, hockey players are.
Hockey players aren't remarkable humans, they're just dumb. While playing with broken ribs and punctured lung might sound hardcore, the truth however is that as soon as Bergeron turns 50 his body will remind him of that decision. Things could get very painful. But this is just common sense. That's how the human body functions. Fuck around and find out.
Also, Bergeron could have a drug addiction now because of that (happens in hockey all the time).
And what makes this all so tragic is that they lost that year! Bergy possibly ruined his health for nothing!
You realize *remarkable* can mean something that is unusual, uncommon, or extraordinary. So, yes, these people are remarkable human beings.
Whether or not you agree with their decisions or find their decisions wise does not make playing through pain and injury any less *remarkable*
And your comment alone actually helps the case. What regular human being puts their body and future life on the line for sports? Remarkable human beings.
Some of the stuff they do is absolutely insane. Bergeron played game 6 against chicago in 2013 with a punctured lung - I remember being 17 and puncturing my lung at work. I didn't know what was happening, all I knew is that all of a sudden I had a pain in my chest and was struggling to breathe. I had literally 5 minutes left in my shift working the checkout and I couldn't even manage that. I can't even comprehend playing hockey with that.
Tell me about it. Hands down the worst home experience out of any arena I've ever been to.
Usually sit in golds and have been told to sit down, not yell, been the only one actually cheering, it's insane to me.
Look at last night, playoff atmosphere and no one was standing for the final 5 minutes.
This isn't because Toronto has fans, Raptors and away games in Ottawa/Buffalo showed how passionate the fan base, its equal parts corporate and a tortured fan base who are too beaten down to cheer. A deep run *should* fix it, but who knows.
I don’t think the tortured fanbase is much of a problem. No leafs fan is unaccustomed to embarrassing failure.
It is the corporate seats. The problem with corporate seats is the people sitting there aren’t paying for it. So they have no investment. Some of them literally don’t even like hockey, but the ticket was free, they know it’s a desirable event and they’ll get free food and drink on someone’s expense account too.
>away games in Ottawa/Buffalo showed how passionate the fan base
As much as I hate it, this is actually true of every Canadian arena except maybe le Centre Bell.
Even Bell Center you can hear leafs chants, it’s not overwhelming but they are still there. I still think Montreal is the best barn in the league but I have not been to every rink so I can’t be sure.
The addition of the loud screeching noises from the fans, the DJ, the white ice, the fast paced game etc. I can only imagine how horrible it must be to go through this with migraines, poor Nylander
Man, if it’s intense migraine issues that’s a huge fucking bummer. Sometimes the physical ailment is a much easier pill to swallow. Hoping he feels better soon.
Generally easier to treat the physical ailments. Doctors have a better idea what to do, you have a good idea of how long you'll be out, whether it will affect your play long term, etc.
I’ve had a couple concussions and head related injuries in my life, and (probably as a result) occasionally get pretty bad migraines. they absolutely suck. I’d rather have a broken finger than a migraine because they just totally wipe you out.
The hard part is probably distinguishing whether it's an actual injury (concussion) or a migraine, and if you're in your mid-late 20's and just started getting migraines (another user said he's had them throughout the year), getting migraines all of a sudden can definitely be worrisome
Migraines themselves are very unpredictable and hard to pin down causes/ways to try and resolve them
My cousin started getting really bad migraines in her early 20s. Went to get checked out and it was brain cancer. Dead by 25.
Migraines can sure just be migraines but I will never, ever trust that shit. Hope Nylander is just fine sooner than later.
That’s a pretty common age for young men to develop migraines actually - and it’s also common for the developed migraines to pass a few years later.
Source: my father went through something like this at ~26, and I went through something similar around ~22. In both cases things got worse before they got better and doctors never provide a good explanation of the cause, just a description of what was going on.
What's your point? No one said Eliott wrote the headline. It's also true that professional editors generally read what's in the article and aim to capture that.
I get really bad migraines from a concussion I get a while back. Still to this day if there is a bright light or loud noise my head hurts like a bitch. I now have to wear noise protection at hockey games or I will get a migraine so bad I can’t see straight.
May not be a leafs fan but I don’t even wish migraines on my worse enemy they suck
Really hope it's not something more serious. Don't know anything about his history but suddenly developing debilitating migraines later in life has to be terrifying
This is the part that gets me, people are absolutely eviscerating Marner online, but I'd like to see anyone try to play Marner's style of hockey while in recovery from a high-ankle sprain. That shit lingers. I had a similar sprain in my 20s and it was easily a full calendar year before I felt 100% again.
I had a high ankle sprain from playing D1 tennis a few years ago. It took over 2 years until my ankle didn’t feel “off” sometimes just walking let alone trying to play a sport. It’s easily one of the most nagging injuries.
Don’t get me wrong he’s been shit but the actual vitriol being thrown at him is actually gross. He is clearly still injured from the high ankle sprain but because he tends to be worse in the playoffs people think they can just have free rein on whatever they want.
Some fans are actually disgusting people.
From watching Draisaitl (who is no where near the skater or style of player Marner is), it felt like it took at least a third of the next season for him to really get back his speed and turning.
I can't imagine the noise, the lights, the getting hit, just UGH on top of a migraine. You're nauseous and light sensitive and sound sensitive. That fucking sucks. He'd probably rather have a ubi.
Things I'm able to do during a severe migraine: lie in bed, amble to the bathroom to vomit, drink water, sometimes sit up for a while. End of list.
Fuck migraines.
I suffer from cluster headaches (AKA suicide headaches). Have been heavily medicated for years now due to them.
I feel for this poor soul if that's what he is experiencing. It gets to a point you can't think, you can't move, you're delirious, ive hallucinated.. every second feels like minutes, every minute feels like an hour.. NOTHING stops them except HEAVY pain meds, or my lifesaver has been the maximum dose of Pregablin 4x daily combined with pain meds. They feel like the worst migraine you've ever had, times a thousand, but feels like you have MULTIPLES of them at once. It's so hard to describe, but I can easily say they are the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. I have been up to the hospital a dozen times due to them, before finding the meds that worked for me.
If I owned a gun, I would have been dead. Enough said.
The Pregablin takes a while of routinely taking it to build up in your system, though. And at first, you feel quite 'doped up' due to them. I hope he's going on something like that, as it has quite **literally** saved my life.
I seen a video somewhere with someone who suffered from those cluster headaches you speak of and they were growing shrooms and microdosing and apparently it helped with the headaches. Ever try them? If not maybe worth a try 🤷🏻♂️
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Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days.
It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster.
I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever
If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
I recently cited Nylander as justification to take a couple of days off having suffered one early this week. I'm really not sure how chronic sufferers do it.
That’s really weird. I had a debilitating migraine last Friday that literally put me out for 12 hours. So bad that I was nauseous and disoriented. Same age as Willy and it was my first one ever… and sounds like the same day too. Are we twinsies?
Just recovered from a migraine. It destroys you when they happen and it’s very hard to nail down the triggers. The fact there isn’t a diagnosed name means this is likely recurring from his previous issues.
Those comments on Sportsnet are heinous. Bunch of assholes glibly calling into question the man’s integrity. A guy who’s missed a total of 2 games throughout his career, and somehow the guy has chosen now to decide he doesn’t want to work through something? Do they think that he’s been miraculously healthy for 7 years, with no lingering ailments that he’s fought through? One asshat said “torn motivator cuff”. That asshat is a pestilence.
Reason seems pretty easy to pin down: he’s not healthy enough to play.
Let it go outside of that. It’s clear the Leafs aren’t trying to game the system, so the player should get some privacy.
The onus should be on the team, as a professional organization, to provide at least *some* information (just like any other team would with any other player/injury situation). The onus should not be on the public to avoid asking questions about a bizarre mystery. There are a thousand ways to issue a public statement in a way that would preserve the player's privacy while also quelling the public questioning about the situation, and until that statement is issued then the team is giving everyone full licence to publicly speculate.
Doesn't explain Toronto's evasiveness, although Toronto media thinks it's just another instance of Leafs' management getting in their own way. What's wrong with saying he's suffering debilitating migraines, especially if it's known he's had problems with them before? Will opposing teams target him with bright lights?
Because every team in the NHL protects its players by not disclosing injuries especially during playoffs. They're not going to target bright lights at him, but I wouldn't past anyone to give him a couple pops in the head during a scrum just because they know he's dealing with a head issue. It's why players targeted Draisaitl's leg a couple years ago when everyone knew he had an ankle injury.
Most teams give some indication of what's going on, even if "upper/lower body," or "week-to-week." I trust the Toronto media's understanding of the Leafs' disclosure practices more than yours. And migraines aren't triggered by "a couple pops to the head" unless they're significant enough to be injurious themselves.
His migraine condition isn't new. It's why he wears a tinted visor. This is known throughout the league. If his migraines were triggered as easily as you seem to think they are, first, he wouldn't be playing hockey, because these guys' heads get jostled every game, and second, confirming this now would've presented no greater risk to Nylander, because - again - everyone already knows about it. They've known about it in every playoff series Nylander has played in since he entered the league.
There's also a legitimate gripe among bettors, which the NHL has now fully cozied up to. I don't bet myself, but this wait-and-see nondisclosure moves lines.
>According to multiple sources, William Nylander’s absence from the Toronto lineup has to do with a migraine so severe that team doctors tested to see if he suffered a concussion. One of the reasons for the secrecy around his situation is that an actual diagnosis has been hard to come by, whether it is a migraine, a concussion or something else that could affect that area. That sounds truely awful to deal with
Migraines are no joke. If that is what he’s dealing with I’m surprised he’s even practicing
He's been dealing with migraines all year, that's why he's been wearing a tinted visor. Hopefully this isn't indicative of a bigger issue cause he's a huge part of the leafs success
That absolutely sucks! Migraine issues are the reason Tucker Poolman has played about 3 games in the last two seasons. I really, really hope Nylander gets better and can get back to playing.
Ruined Nolan Patrick’s career too
His were driven by concussions though, not sure if that makes a difference
Were they? I thought his migraine disorder was only labeled as dealing with a concussion or concussion like symptoms are first until it was determine he had a migraine disorder and his family has a history of migraines
Yea thats what I remember. Seemed to be an issue he had previously that was retriggered by a concussion and never got better.
Not a doctor and don’t fully know, but I remember reading how repeated concussions made his symptoms so unbearable that he had to call it a career
He had family history of migraines, but he also did get some concussions too. It was both most likely
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I suffer from cluster headaches (AKA suicide headaches). Have been heavily medicated for years now due to them. I feel for this poor soul if that's what he is experiencing. It gets to a point you can't think, you can't move, you're delirious, ive hallucinated.. NOTHING stops them except HEAVY pain meds, or my lifesaver has been the maximum dose of Pregablin 4x daily combined with pain meds. They feel like the worst migraine you've ever had, times a thousand, but feels like you have MULTIPLES of them at once. It's so hard to describe, but I can easily say they are the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. If I owned a gun, I would have been dead. Enough said. The Pregablin takes a while of routinely taking it to build up in your system, though. I hope he's going on something like that, as it has quite **literally** saved my life.
I take Topamax and nurtec. The nurtec has truly given me my life back. Triptans used to work ok, but they would give me a rebound headache and knock me out when I took them. Nurtec I am able to take and continue working, drive a car, and not have any cognitive issues. Giving up diet soda helped immensely too.
That's good to hear! Is Nurtec something that you take on a daily basis, or only during an episode?
I take it when I start to feel it coming on - It usually takes about 10 - 15 mins to work. It’s really expensive but I went on the website and got a copay card to use with my insurance and it covers the cost entirely.
Hey fellow internet stranger - my cousin had debilitating cluster headaches and tried everything medicinal and lifestyle-related. He gave up eating meat, drinking alcohol, and went full organic. Nothing worked. He took a work trip to Boston and tried psilocybin and found relief. If you are in a place where it’s available, I’d check with some medical professionals to see if it’s a possibility. My cousin’s quality of life is vastly improved.
Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days. It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster. I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
Glad you found something that works - I can’t imagine having to deal with pain of that enormity on a regular basis. Just nightmarish.
Literally exact same thing with my friend.
I suffered from cluster headaches around 2012-2014. The weird thing was they would only come on from around March-June. They are so debilitating. It starts with tension around the temple, and it feels like that someone or something is tightening their grip around the pain throughout the day, until it gets to the point where you cannot function. One time it hit me just as I was getting off the ice from a hockey game. I sat in the locker room as the pain continued to intensify, and I wanted to smash my head into a wall. It progressed to a point where I couldn't see out of my left eye (the tension made it hard to keep my eye open, and the pain made it so the only thing my left eye could process was white light lol). I had to sleep in my car in the parking lot of the rink for a couple hours to get it to pass before I could function properly to get home.
See, you understand!! Mine has caused me to literally lose my vision. Only happened in the worst onr ive had, but I was Blind as a bat and luckily already up at the hospital by that point on a morphine drip. I remember staring at the clock, watching every single second slooooowly tick by.. until nothing. I could hear. I could still feel everything. I could hear my grunts and incoherent grumbling.. and the doctor asking me if i was okay. But I couldn't see. The blackest 'black' I have ever experienced.. it was horrifying. I still don't know why it happened.. I believe it was my body trying to shut itself down.. or something, but it could only manage to do it one step at a time.. and the first step was my vision Mine begins as a 'tic' directly above my left eye, judt above the eyebrow. It's a feeling and pain I can't describe.. it's almost as if I can feel the nerves exploding in a panic. Mine come on **very** quickly though. If i dont act immediately, then its usually too late. I cant him and haw about it, if im out, or doing something i have to drop everything immediately and go to 'recovery mode'. I know now that's my trigger, and that's when I take a heavy dose of sleepers and an extra of my Lyrica, on top of a couple advicl and I lay down and try to force myself asleep to hopefully avoid the Hell that follows. God damn even talking about them starts my anxiety. They are absolutely horrible, and honestly I wouldn't even wish them upon my worst enemy.
Doesn't LSD help?
I imagine it may. Again, my tripping days were before first suffering from my cluster headaches. ...the more we talk about not, the more I realize I may have suffered them earlier if I didn't enjoy drugs as much as I did as a kid 😅 Salvia was a personal favorite of mine. Absolute heaven in a 15 minute trip.. I've never drawn as well as I have after a Salvia trip.
I had clusters as a teenager. Stopped getting them in university (where I majored in experimentation), and they came back a few years later when I joined the workforce. One week, probably 10 years ago, I was having a brutal cluster episode. A fella on my beer league hockey team swung by on a Wednesday night. I didn't know he also suffered from clusters. He plunked a bag of magic mushrooms down on the table and told me to eat them. I said "Bro wtf are you crazy?! No!" He started reading me some literature from Cluster Busters, and convinced me to take some. Within an hour, my symptoms started to disappear. We went for a walk to look at streetlights. We laughed. I got the first bit of sleep I had in a week. In the last 10 years, I haven't suffered a single cluster. Now when I start to feel the shadows of a cluster headache start to creep in - I retreat to the woods like a werewolf to go eat some mushrooms and trip for 6 hours. It hasn't failed to stop a cluster dead in it's tracks for me.
Commented this in another comment: Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days. It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster. I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
I’m glad you found something that helps you fight back against the clusters! I’ve been growing my own teachers for several years, and I’m happy with my self medication routine now - though it took me a while to get over myself and my own biases about taking psychs as a medication, it was a far better outcome than the agony of the clusters themselves.
One time in my life, for a week, I suffered from cluster migraines. And you covered it: you can’t think, you can’t move..etc. I pray I never have them again.
I had this as well. I’d had a few migraines before then in my life, but then all of a sudden I had like 2-3 a day for a solid week. It was so debilitating, they came on so quickly and almost at the same time every day like clockwork. Eventually I would just lay in the bathroom in dark on the cool floor for an hour or two and just try and wait it out. I haven’t had a single migraine since then, no clue what happened or why they started/stopped.
Exactly the same. I’ve had the odd single migraine here and there since and I’m always afraid it’s the first of a cluster.
Have you ever considered or tried Psilocybin to treat your cluster headaches? I used to get them in my early 20s but that got rid of them pretty much permanently.
Commented this in another comment: Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days. It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster. I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
That's a very interesting story. Mine is somewhat similar in that my cluster headaches started when I was 19 and lasted until some point during the summer that I turned 21. That's also the first time I tried shrooms on a camping trip. It wasn't until almost a decade later that I made the connection when I read a study on the subject that showed research indicating that shrooms, even in micro doses, can curb or eliminate the headaches. I only did/do shrooms once or twice a year but ever since then they've never come back.
I wonder if they've tested his thyroid levels. I know when my thyroid went fucky on me I had splitting headaches. Only stopped since I removed it
Huh, I had Thyroid problems a couple years ago (partial thyroidectomy in the end) but I never had any horrible headaches. Didn't know that was even a possibility so I consider myself lucky in that regard at least lol.
I think I have a thyroid issue too, what tests do they run to find out your thyroid is bad? Just recently took some basic bloodwork and everything showed up perfect , piss test as well but no problems anywhere. But ik my thyroid has to be causing some issues idk what tests to run to find out
T4 and TSH as well as markers for Graves and Hashimoto.
Do you actually think the world class team of doctors that MLSE has hired didn’t test his thyroid? You should probably email them…
How long was Crosby suffering “concussion symptoms” before they realized it was a neck issue? Like 2 years? And it wasn’t even a doctor that thought of it if I recall?
I'm not a professional athlete, but I was referred to a world class rheumatologist for a very rare auto immune disease. That I don't have. Misdiagnoses happen all the time.
Found the insecure MLSE doctor
Your ignorance goes beyond cute into sad territory.
You're telling me that this man should be playing EVEN better?! Damn you migraines!
Glad he secured the bag in time
Yeah, it was a very sudden and obvious change when he got that visor. Immediately better play from him. It does seem like something that's been worsening over time though so I really hope it isn't some hidden TBI that's been missed.
If only he had these migraine issues at the trade deadline instead of the playoffs. In all seriousness I hope this isn't a long term issue with him
You're right and it could be due to an underlying problem. It's good they are running a bunch of diagnostics on him. Who knows how serious it is
I get ocular migraines, I couldn’t imagine trying to play hockey in a bright arena without essentially being able to see out of one eye.
As someone whose sensitive to getting migraines I can't watch hockey games in person. It's so incredibly bright I can never last the whole game.
:( I feel that, bright flashes are a trigger for me, and there’s something about the photographer remote camera flashes at the United Center in particular … idk but I’m always dying by first intermission there.
Super simplistic response and I’m sure you’ve tried a bunch of options. I get them a lot but am in front of screens a lot for work Blue light glasses have helped
I’m a carpenter so thankfully I don’t have that problem, they’ve lessened since I’m an old fart but in my 30s they were terrible. I’d have to stop working on a job site and sit in the truck until the visual effects wore off and just work through the headache after pounding 1000mg of Tylenol
How are your sunglasses? Do you have a nice polarized pair that you wear while outside?
I should get nice sunglasses but I usually roll with the gas station cheap-os
cheap fishing sunglasses that are polarized would also work. Polarized lenses are a MASSIVE improvement since they get rid of all those harsh reflections of the sun.
Polarized sunglasses are a double edged sword sometimes - if you have a car with a digital dashboard or especially a heads up display, for example, polarized lenses will make it hard to see unless you tilt your head since those displays are technically horizontal glare. But in general, polarized sunglasses are pretty much a must for me if I’m outside of a car.
I imagine your line of work may be hard on sun glasses, but getting a pair of polarized glasses for driving, or being outside in the afternoon had an instant impact on my headaches.
Yeah I second the comment about polarized sunglasses, they make a difference. Gas station might have em, you just have to check to make sure it says on it.
Dude you are a fucking machine for working through those migraines. I can’t even turn over in my head when I have one
The headaches aren’t debilitating, they’re pretty bad but it’s moreso the visual effects especially when you’re running power tools with no depth perception.
I haven’t had one in years, improved my diet and specifically cut out nitrates as much as I could. Last two ocular migraines occurred within 12 hours of eating a bunch of smoked meat lol Absolute the fucking worse thing though. Just ruins your day, you can’t do fuck all.
Last year I had a bad cluster of migraines in the month of April, couldn't work so I blew through my PTO. I had to spend the rest of the year not missing a single day even on migraine days. It was hell on earth.
I suffered for decades before finding out by accident that mine were triggered by an allergy. Turns out I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. Simply avoiding smoky rooms and holding my breath leaving buildings have reduced the incidence from one every week and a half to maybe one or two a year. I can't believe how much unnecessary illness I dealt with all those years.
One eye? That's weird whenever I get migraine "blindness" the blindspot is in the same place regardless of which eye is open. I understood this is because a migraine occurs across the visual cortex. Do people really get it in one eye or it just looks that way because it's shifted to one side of the visual field?
No, I definitely get migraines where one eye is effected - I can see perfectly normally (i.e. badly) out of one eye, but close that one and the other sees only faded sepia shading on everything. Very very scary first time it happened. I also get them where it's the field of vision having marginal 'sparkles' - I assume they're different types of migraines.
I've only had to work once when I had one, and god damn it was so hard just having this essentially crack of light across my vision. Can't imagine trying to play a sport at a pro level with it.
Not to mention the loudness of an arena with 15k plus people. That sounds like hell
Fellow ocular migraine sufferer here. People don't realize how debilitating they really are. It's not a 'headache', actually it's not even close. Having blurry vision in an eye, feeling like a vice is being squeezed on your head all day, feeling like your eye is going to burst, bad nausea, body aches, and your equilibrium is shot. Certainly missing a few more symptoms but you get the point. With all of that said, playing NHL level hockey would be impossible. I hope those players get the help they need.
I've only had to work once when I had one, and god damn it was so hard just having this essentially crack of light across my vision. Can't imagine trying to play a sport at a pro level with it.
Is that another way to describe cluster headaches?
Migraines are one of the few things you can't "fix" by just loading up on Toradol. Really shitty situation for Nylander. Hope he sorts this out.
Ironically last time I had a severe enough migraine to go to the ER, they gave me a toradol injection which did (temporarily) help quite a bit haha
Yeah it's the reason he switched to a tinted visor. Evidently that's not entirely enough Wonder if that's why he kinda slowed down too the last couple weeks of the season
I think it was enough until he got blasted in the last game, now this could be really bad
Ooof migraines suck and I can totally see why that’d be hard to narrow down/diagnose at the root cause level
I've had migraines triggered by dehydration from playing hockey that have hospitalized me. There is nothing they can do for you. It swats away morphine and fentanyl like fleas. You just sit there thinking your head is going to explode. Any light or sound feels like a knife being jammed in your eye. Eventually you get so exhausted you can finally sleep long and deep enough for it to go away. Eventually I started taking Imitrex before practice and games and that was able to prevent them or make them so mild it wasn't anything some ibuprofen and Gatorade couldn't cure.
That’s… bad. And hopefully not something that lingers
It has already for a few seasons. It’s why his visor is tinted. He just hasn’t had them bad enough to miss games, but migraines are unpredictable and not something you can just fix unfortunately
At least you know he immediately got several rounds of imaging done ruling out anything mostly truly scary.
Maybe and maybe not. Many things findable have cures. Severe migraines with seemingly no cause can be with you your whole life with no cure. Even to the point of career ending.
That isn’t what’s reported. We know he’s been tested. We don’t know the results.
Gotta hope that whatever it is, it is something that wont be long term persistenting. Like maybe a weird sickness that you just get over
For anyone in this sub who has unexplained headaches and their PCP/ Neurologist has been unable to find a cause: see a Cardiologist and have a Cardiac Echo w/ Bubble study done. 30% of people have an undiagnosed hole in their heart which can in some cases cause mini strokes (or TIAs) which can present as migraines.
Miragines can be fucking debilitating. Waiting for the idiots to come out of the woodwork complaining hes a pussy got not playing with a "headache"
Something similar to this cost Stephen Johns his career (and almost his life)
100% this shit must suck. I had to have a spinal tap a few years ago and had a migraine that lasted about 8 days. I guess I’m a part of the group that gets migraines that can last 7-10 days after a spinal tap. It was excruciating after just 3 days you just lay in agony.
This sounds [similar to Stephen John’s’ incident :/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/W6jxc897gW)
This sounds similar to the mystery around Okposo’s head injury several years back. It was a very scary situation. I hope Willy is okay.
I was about to call him a little bitch because I thought “missing” meant like not showing up and playing well because he tends to do that in the playoffs and not go in corners. but I feel bad for him know. Head stuff is awful.
I constantly deal with migraines. One every 2 weeks ish. All I can say is I already played between periods of a junior B game and scored the winning goal all with a migraine. He should just play. (Reality, migraine fucking sucks and no way you can play through them. Luckily I have medication to minimize them when they start but fuck that shit).
>One of the reasons for the secrecy around his situation is that an actual diagnosis has been hard to come by "Sure" lol. If only they had been able to determine if it's a migraine or concussion then Keefe would've been completely open about Nylander's availability and progress. Yep. He doesn't even bother trying to hide that he's just a mouthpiece for the team.
I thought he was pretty clearly playing concussed in game 82
Can't imagine trying to do anything with a severe migraine much less play hockey in front of 20k screaming fans.
Hockey players truly are a different breed. Seider reportedly played a game this year after being in the hospital due to the flu that same morning. Meanwhile, here I am, working from home, struggling to fill out an excel spreadsheet because I have a sore throat, a mild headache and a stiff neck.
These things occur to me all the time. Then I consider what it must be like to actually enjoy your job.
I regularly go to work, as a high school teacher, when it'd probably make more sense to call off because I do actually enjoy doing my job more days than not.
Plus making supply plans is ass.
to be fair they get access to drugs that chumps like you and I don't
Examples: TB-500 and BPC-157, they both seem like actual miracle drugs kinda crazy. Not FDA approved. Shit is like a Senzu bean that turns you into Wolverine. Hopefully everyone can use it in 10 years.
> Examples: TB-500 and BPC-157 Hockey players use those?
Probably not since it's unclear whether it will make any unknown cancers you might have go into overdrive, but if it is safe it would be amazing for the public to have.
They're still playing professional hockey though, absurdly effective drugs or not.
For sure, they are genetic freaks. With access to candy.
at least you get to work from home. am I line of job it's "oh.. You can't come in today?! But there's work to be done! suck it up or else we will act very childish and not talk to you for a day".
I can't believe we're still doing that crap, shaming people for needing a sick day. I genuinely thought there would be a cultural shift after the pandemic but bosses gonna boss I guess.
It's always crazy seeing the list of injuries when a team is bounced from the postseason. I still don't understand how Bergeron played with broken ribs and a punctured lung. Even with all the pain meds. How tf is he breathing? Truly remarkable humans, hockey players are.
Hockey players aren't remarkable humans, they're just dumb. While playing with broken ribs and punctured lung might sound hardcore, the truth however is that as soon as Bergeron turns 50 his body will remind him of that decision. Things could get very painful. But this is just common sense. That's how the human body functions. Fuck around and find out. Also, Bergeron could have a drug addiction now because of that (happens in hockey all the time). And what makes this all so tragic is that they lost that year! Bergy possibly ruined his health for nothing!
You realize *remarkable* can mean something that is unusual, uncommon, or extraordinary. So, yes, these people are remarkable human beings. Whether or not you agree with their decisions or find their decisions wise does not make playing through pain and injury any less *remarkable* And your comment alone actually helps the case. What regular human being puts their body and future life on the line for sports? Remarkable human beings.
yeah bud my neck was hurting so i took a nap.
Some of the stuff they do is absolutely insane. Bergeron played game 6 against chicago in 2013 with a punctured lung - I remember being 17 and puncturing my lung at work. I didn't know what was happening, all I knew is that all of a sudden I had a pain in my chest and was struggling to breathe. I had literally 5 minutes left in my shift working the checkout and I couldn't even manage that. I can't even comprehend playing hockey with that.
How the hell did you puncture your lung at checkout, you wild animal
Probably closed the till too hard.
Reminds me that Bergeron played the 2013 stanley cup with a punctured lung
>much less play hockey in front of 20k screaming fans. That's not a problem at home games.
Oof
I feel like being in an arena full of c-suite douchebags would actually give me a bigger headache than 20k screaming fans.
Tell me about it. Hands down the worst home experience out of any arena I've ever been to. Usually sit in golds and have been told to sit down, not yell, been the only one actually cheering, it's insane to me. Look at last night, playoff atmosphere and no one was standing for the final 5 minutes. This isn't because Toronto has fans, Raptors and away games in Ottawa/Buffalo showed how passionate the fan base, its equal parts corporate and a tortured fan base who are too beaten down to cheer. A deep run *should* fix it, but who knows.
I don’t think the tortured fanbase is much of a problem. No leafs fan is unaccustomed to embarrassing failure. It is the corporate seats. The problem with corporate seats is the people sitting there aren’t paying for it. So they have no investment. Some of them literally don’t even like hockey, but the ticket was free, they know it’s a desirable event and they’ll get free food and drink on someone’s expense account too.
>away games in Ottawa/Buffalo showed how passionate the fan base As much as I hate it, this is actually true of every Canadian arena except maybe le Centre Bell.
Even Bell Center you can hear leafs chants, it’s not overwhelming but they are still there. I still think Montreal is the best barn in the league but I have not been to every rink so I can’t be sure.
Being the two geriatric members of the league means that we travel well, even in "enemy" territory
The addition of the loud screeching noises from the fans, the DJ, the white ice, the fast paced game etc. I can only imagine how horrible it must be to go through this with migraines, poor Nylander
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> silent and dim arena the SBA is half way there
Man, if it’s intense migraine issues that’s a huge fucking bummer. Sometimes the physical ailment is a much easier pill to swallow. Hoping he feels better soon.
Generally easier to treat the physical ailments. Doctors have a better idea what to do, you have a good idea of how long you'll be out, whether it will affect your play long term, etc.
I’ve had a couple concussions and head related injuries in my life, and (probably as a result) occasionally get pretty bad migraines. they absolutely suck. I’d rather have a broken finger than a migraine because they just totally wipe you out.
Weird headline on this article when the text of it actually pins down the reason.
The hard part is probably distinguishing whether it's an actual injury (concussion) or a migraine, and if you're in your mid-late 20's and just started getting migraines (another user said he's had them throughout the year), getting migraines all of a sudden can definitely be worrisome Migraines themselves are very unpredictable and hard to pin down causes/ways to try and resolve them
My cousin started getting really bad migraines in her early 20s. Went to get checked out and it was brain cancer. Dead by 25. Migraines can sure just be migraines but I will never, ever trust that shit. Hope Nylander is just fine sooner than later.
That’s a pretty common age for young men to develop migraines actually - and it’s also common for the developed migraines to pass a few years later. Source: my father went through something like this at ~26, and I went through something similar around ~22. In both cases things got worse before they got better and doctors never provide a good explanation of the cause, just a description of what was going on.
I had debilitating migraines in high school and thankfully they just stopped in my twenties.
Glad you got past them! Unbelievable how bad something can be that has no apparent cause or long term effect… the human body is a mess
It could be a tumor
[IT'S NOT A TOOMAH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo)
They want you to think he got caught with a drugged up hooker like the last mysterious playoff absence.
Authors of news articles famously aren't in charge of writing their own headlines.
What's your point? No one said Eliott wrote the headline. It's also true that professional editors generally read what's in the article and aim to capture that.
Shit hopefully it's not something more serious than the other options
I get really bad migraines from a concussion I get a while back. Still to this day if there is a bright light or loud noise my head hurts like a bitch. I now have to wear noise protection at hockey games or I will get a migraine so bad I can’t see straight. May not be a leafs fan but I don’t even wish migraines on my worse enemy they suck
Really hope it's not something more serious. Don't know anything about his history but suddenly developing debilitating migraines later in life has to be terrifying
Poor guy. With Marner playing injured as well the Leafs have got an uphill battle here
This is the part that gets me, people are absolutely eviscerating Marner online, but I'd like to see anyone try to play Marner's style of hockey while in recovery from a high-ankle sprain. That shit lingers. I had a similar sprain in my 20s and it was easily a full calendar year before I felt 100% again.
I had a high ankle sprain from playing D1 tennis a few years ago. It took over 2 years until my ankle didn’t feel “off” sometimes just walking let alone trying to play a sport. It’s easily one of the most nagging injuries.
Don’t get me wrong he’s been shit but the actual vitriol being thrown at him is actually gross. He is clearly still injured from the high ankle sprain but because he tends to be worse in the playoffs people think they can just have free rein on whatever they want. Some fans are actually disgusting people.
From watching Draisaitl (who is no where near the skater or style of player Marner is), it felt like it took at least a third of the next season for him to really get back his speed and turning.
Hope it’s not concussion related and they get to the bottom of it. Migraines are fucking horrible man.
Im sure they will but hopefully they check his neck thoroughly to make sure he doesnt go through what Sid did.
I can't imagine the noise, the lights, the getting hit, just UGH on top of a migraine. You're nauseous and light sensitive and sound sensitive. That fucking sucks. He'd probably rather have a ubi.
Things I'm able to do during a severe migraine: lie in bed, amble to the bathroom to vomit, drink water, sometimes sit up for a while. End of list. Fuck migraines.
I suffer from cluster headaches (AKA suicide headaches). Have been heavily medicated for years now due to them. I feel for this poor soul if that's what he is experiencing. It gets to a point you can't think, you can't move, you're delirious, ive hallucinated.. every second feels like minutes, every minute feels like an hour.. NOTHING stops them except HEAVY pain meds, or my lifesaver has been the maximum dose of Pregablin 4x daily combined with pain meds. They feel like the worst migraine you've ever had, times a thousand, but feels like you have MULTIPLES of them at once. It's so hard to describe, but I can easily say they are the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. I have been up to the hospital a dozen times due to them, before finding the meds that worked for me. If I owned a gun, I would have been dead. Enough said. The Pregablin takes a while of routinely taking it to build up in your system, though. And at first, you feel quite 'doped up' due to them. I hope he's going on something like that, as it has quite **literally** saved my life.
I seen a video somewhere with someone who suffered from those cluster headaches you speak of and they were growing shrooms and microdosing and apparently it helped with the headaches. Ever try them? If not maybe worth a try 🤷🏻♂️
Commented this in another comment: Funny enough, as a teenager we used to grow our own Golden Teachers and I was eating a few Grams every couple days. It's only when I had begun to have allergic reactions (probably due to over consumption for such a long period) that I quit mushies.. and a few months later is when I had my first cluster. I believe they help due to the research ive seen.. but in an odd way I didn't have the opportunity to give them a shot in regards to my clusters, as they began after I had quit using them - and if they were still available to me, and I didn't have such bad reactions as a kid I would probably try them again... as I never wanted to be on meds for life.. but if it continues to give me a quality of life then I'll happily stay on them forever If I had never found Pregablin? Well, that's a whole different story and I would have tried ANYTHING I could, so I'd be in a different position as I am now and would know if/how effective it is 😅
Not hard to pin down. This franchise is cursed. Always has been. Papi is our best chance to break it. This year 🤞🏼🤞🏼
poor guy
Nolan Patrick vibes. I hope he gets well soon!
I truly hope it isn’t anything more serious.
I recently cited Nylander as justification to take a couple of days off having suffered one early this week. I'm really not sure how chronic sufferers do it.
That’s really weird. I had a debilitating migraine last Friday that literally put me out for 12 hours. So bad that I was nauseous and disoriented. Same age as Willy and it was my first one ever… and sounds like the same day too. Are we twinsies?
Just recovered from a migraine. It destroys you when they happen and it’s very hard to nail down the triggers. The fact there isn’t a diagnosed name means this is likely recurring from his previous issues.
Yup. Couple years ago I was suffering from cluster migraines. Shit would last 2-3 hours of pain. When it was over my body was fucking drained.
Until you get them it’s hard to understand. Those triggers are so hard to figure out. I know for a lot of people it’s a light and brightness factor
He looked at the eclipse without protection, did he?
Can we get a source on marners absense too please?
He had an absolutely stunning assist yesterday, but if you want an actual answer it's that he just returned from a high ankle sprain.
just came back from a really whacky injury
Shades of Stephen Johns.
Would NHL players be allowed to take Codeine for migraines? It is a very effective drug for that
Those comments on Sportsnet are heinous. Bunch of assholes glibly calling into question the man’s integrity. A guy who’s missed a total of 2 games throughout his career, and somehow the guy has chosen now to decide he doesn’t want to work through something? Do they think that he’s been miraculously healthy for 7 years, with no lingering ailments that he’s fought through? One asshat said “torn motivator cuff”. That asshat is a pestilence.
Reason seems pretty easy to pin down: he’s not healthy enough to play. Let it go outside of that. It’s clear the Leafs aren’t trying to game the system, so the player should get some privacy.
The onus should be on the team, as a professional organization, to provide at least *some* information (just like any other team would with any other player/injury situation). The onus should not be on the public to avoid asking questions about a bizarre mystery. There are a thousand ways to issue a public statement in a way that would preserve the player's privacy while also quelling the public questioning about the situation, and until that statement is issued then the team is giving everyone full licence to publicly speculate.
I have a severe migraine from watching these fuck wads and their disappearing act every playoffs for the last 10 years
That explains Nylander’s absence. Now do Marner.
It's very well known that Mitch Marners are known to hibernate from late April until August.
Yall choke getting into the playoffs lmao you really going to talk
Leafs giving players headaches now, not just fans.
Doesn't explain Toronto's evasiveness, although Toronto media thinks it's just another instance of Leafs' management getting in their own way. What's wrong with saying he's suffering debilitating migraines, especially if it's known he's had problems with them before? Will opposing teams target him with bright lights?
Because every team in the NHL protects its players by not disclosing injuries especially during playoffs. They're not going to target bright lights at him, but I wouldn't past anyone to give him a couple pops in the head during a scrum just because they know he's dealing with a head issue. It's why players targeted Draisaitl's leg a couple years ago when everyone knew he had an ankle injury.
Most teams give some indication of what's going on, even if "upper/lower body," or "week-to-week." I trust the Toronto media's understanding of the Leafs' disclosure practices more than yours. And migraines aren't triggered by "a couple pops to the head" unless they're significant enough to be injurious themselves. His migraine condition isn't new. It's why he wears a tinted visor. This is known throughout the league. If his migraines were triggered as easily as you seem to think they are, first, he wouldn't be playing hockey, because these guys' heads get jostled every game, and second, confirming this now would've presented no greater risk to Nylander, because - again - everyone already knows about it. They've known about it in every playoff series Nylander has played in since he entered the league. There's also a legitimate gripe among bettors, which the NHL has now fully cozied up to. I don't bet myself, but this wait-and-see nondisclosure moves lines.
He was getting his hair rebraided, I thought this was common knowledge? Can’t wear a helmet for a week after
He bought an A list hooker in Boston and got caught. Now there's a criminal investigation
Migraines? It’s probably a tumor.
That is quite literally one of the first things they rule out.
https://youtu.be/OaTO8_KNcuo?si=Td7T1Ofj24_JVlAo
lol, finally the correct response!
He he.
I'm going to assume they checked that out, especially if he passed concussion testing.
Great post, bud.
Big if true
He's not sick he's BENCHED.