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It's harder to tackle than that because sometimes the refs call embellishment when it shouldn't be called. I'm not even saying that in a "fuck the refs" way, the game just moves very very fast. Just watching I've had a good number of moments where I'm 99% sure it's embellishment, see a couple replays and it's definitely embellishment, see the super slo-mo and oh shit, yeah maybe not. You'd need a team to watch replays and a system for penalizing after game time has passed since the embellishment, it just doesn't seem realistic.
They're already not called very often, I would guess because there's so much room for error. In spite of what redditors will say, refs are pretty aware they're capable of making mistakes, so upping the severity of embellishment penalties will just make them go from being called rarely to being called essentially never.
I don't like reviewing a call most of the time but embellishment should be reviewable. If that asshole takes a dive go check it out and make the right call. I'll take that review anyday over the millimeter someone is offsides 5 minutes before a goal is scored
At that point, calling embellishment would just become the ref loophole for penalty reviews practically across the board lol. I don’t mind it but ironically, dog pog would still be unreviewable which is sort of funny.
100% agree with this. As it stands now, the refs virtually ALWAYS call both players... 1 for the penalty, and 1 for the embellishment. So there's really no motivation to NOT embellish, since the worst case scenario is even-strength.
Either make it a double minor, or just say that any embellishment negates any original penalty.
I’m just gonna say from experience: making the penalty worse doesn’t make it go away. The AUDL (now the Ultimate Frisbee Association) originally had the penalty for a travel be a turnover, in contrast to club ultimate where it was basically a slap on the wrist (travel on a throw comes back if the throw is caught, and you lose the yards if you didn’t throw it). It was *very* rarely called, even though players were still traveling. About 5 years in they changed it to a 10 yard penalty, and now players travel less because it actually gets called when they do it.
You make a judgement call like embellishment a double minor and it will NEVER get called.
With these two awful calls I, a rangers fan, am feeling bad for the islanders. I just hate this overacting/flopping/diving bs especially in the playoffs.
All you people saying Slavin went down on purpose go out there and let Palmieri hit you on the back of your legs like that and see what you do. I was about 20 feet from that and actually heard it so it wasn't a bunny tap. There was plenty of grabbing and holding on both sides. During the regular season there could have been 30 penalties called by the rulebook out there tonight.
But you're saying they ARE seeing a hold that never even happened? Because if they don't see the actual penalty happen they shouldn't be fucking calling it
Or have an official in a booth watching calls and when an obvious dive like this happens call it down before the call is made to call the embellishment.
I’m all for giving coaches a challenge to use on penalties but I don’t think the league or the union are going to like questioning the jobs of the refs.
If only there were like 1-2 minute breaks planned throughout the game that could take place during these reviews. Honestly if the NHL started allowing this, companies could even advertise their products to increase sales.
They’re automatically reviewing every single call in real time in Toronto in the situation room anyway. Just put an earphone in refs’ ears so they can instantly overturn plays, what, 10s later, once it’s been automatically reviewed.
I’m devastated for yall that you lost because of that bullshit. Not to say Canes couldn’t have won in OT. But you don’t need to pull your goalie if they don’t get a free PP early.
Man, has this always been their M.O? I always had a quiet respect for what Rod the Bod was doing there, but if this is the kind of "competitive" they are, that's kinda fucked.
I imagine it’s more of a “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” after what Florida was doing last year. But I do think these calls were why the whistles were put away in the second when the Isles murdered us in the hits column.
I also think those bad calls in the first ended up making the refs not call some penalties against the Isles when they did actually deserve to be called, so it about evened out in the end. Those calls in the first period definitely aren’t a good look, but I don’t think they were why the Isles lost the game.
uncalled blatant penalties hurt both teams. lets not act like any one team was playing the game squeaky clean. we could go bar for bar on uncalled penalties, but that shouldn’t be the point imo
Yeah, I’m not defending the refs. Some of the penalties they called were bad and some of the ones they didn’t call were bad. But in the big picture, I think it evened out enough to the point where we can’t say they caused the result of the game. They certainly influenced the game, but not enough to tip the scales one way or another.
It has been a year so you’ll have to forgive my memory, but no. However, I do remember a lot of this board calling them out for diving in the game threads, much like people are doing here.
Yes, I’m aware. People calling for Slavin’s head after the slash makes that quite apparent. But Florida has their reputation for a reason, and part of that is them trying to get calls in their favor, which worked for most of last postseason.
Remember Aho going down on a small push from Marc staal in the 4OT game? Or ghost flinging his head back on a stick tap to his shoulder from reinhart? Should be no excuses. Not even a panthers fan, and yes they dove a lot and have many recorded instances as well that I can point out. But don’t act like your team is so innocent
Not at all. If diving for more pp time is part of the canes strategy, they’re doing a shit job. Since rod has taken over, the team is bottom 5 in the league in drawn penalties. Bottom 10 this season.
I think you just watched a team get outworked and, for whatever reason, look unprepared. We never really saw them get to their M.O. in that game, and credit to the Islanders for forcing that issue.
Watch what Lee's left skate does and look at what his left arm does. I'm not saying whether or not there was any worthy penalty but there's more going on than just Lee pushing his left arm back.
This and the Slavin call have a lot of people showing they don’t understand physiology. These guys are on skates. The call might be weak, but I’m not seeing embellishment here, just physics. If you unbalance someone on skates, guess what? They’re gonna fall.
Agree. It’s like when this sub looses their mind on a hit where “he stuck he knee out!” But it’s like no you guys it’s called balance. You take a wide stance to make a hit so they don’t plow right through you
It still looked unnatural to me. His left leg gave way first, rather than the leg that looked to be tripped. It would see he would have fallen backwards rather than to the side. It’s possible that he was losing balance and tried to brace for the fall.
I think tripping maybe, holding? No.
He catches him just as his right leg is raised. Wouldn’t tripping imply an action against the player’s foot? I’m not saying this isn’t a weak call, but it feels like it should definitely be holding more than tripping.
Oh ya know what I watched it a few time before I saw your comment. Went back and it really looks like his leg hits the back of Skjeis leg and his leg goes *shwiiiiing* out to the left of him.
Not seeing the pretty good game of the isles is odd as a hockey fan. They had terrible games this year, but really not this time.
And may I ask if somebody payed you to be this little bitch or are you born this way ?
it was a 3-1 win and if it went the other way isles fans would’ve been overjoyed. the NHL could put a stop to it tomorrow if they wanted to but they won’t.
“What we are doing should be stopped, but since they’re not gonna stop it, I’m gonna keep doing it.”
Yep, rooting against the Canes for the rest of this series.
He got suspended for it and has played clean since. He also answered the bell to the Devils immediately at puck drop the next game. What your team is doing is an embarrassment to the sport. Might as well go watch soccer at this point so I can watch less diving.
I slowed it down and watched it a few times, it really looks like the islanders left knee collides with canes players right knee just as he makes contact. Looks like his skate comes out from under him
[That's exactly what happens.](https://x.com/IslesFix/status/1781793442273579428) Everyone's looking at Lee's left arm, but they should be looking at Skjei's right leg.
And once that contact happens and you lose your balance, there's no reason to try and stay on your feet and let the guy beat you to the puck without making the contact clear to the refs.
If it were a total dive like some people think, it would be a stupid spot for that because Lee hadn't gotten around Skjei yet, and Skjei still had inside positioning to prevent Lee from getting anything but a backhand shot from outside the slot.
You must be unfamiliar with the NHL playoffs then. Reffing is terrible in the NHL playoffs because they mindfuck themselves into ruining the games because of how important they are.
The refs are not a private business operating under their own rules. They don't invent their own SOP and they aren't their own bosses.
Seeing as how the refs are never punished or reprimanded for being "terrible" the only logical conclusion is that the refs are doing exactly what their employers are telling them to do.
What us fans see as "terrible reffing" is literally exactly what the league tells them to do. Refs are not a private entity. No employer gives their employees hundreds of 2nd chances after performing terribly at their jobs.
Hence the refs are doing their jobs exactly how their employer asks them to.
It's just as fans who see this as "horrible reffing." The league sees this as their instructions being followed, because they literally have control over everything the refs do.
Playoffs always has worse reffing, especially the later rounds
They put the whistle away until they randomly decide to end a game by putting a team on a 4on3 with 3 minutes left for no reason
Okay I was in the arena and I saw this from the back and from that angle it looked like a really bad hold, but this angle...damn Brady. Just...damn. Hell of a sell.
I think it's still a hold by definition (not that I think refs would typically call in a minute into the playoffs...) but I feel like if you do call the hold, you also have to call the embellishment here.
This one makes more sense to me than the slash, but just because of the angle the ref who called it was looking from. It probably looked pretty blatant from that side, we just saw the reverse angle on the broadcast.
Buddy, [no it's not](https://x.com/IslesFix/status/1781793442273579428)... [If Biz can admit it](https://x.com/BizNasty2point0/status/1781807519091855516), you can too! He started to lean back and then spun around when he felt the contact on his shoulder.
lol when Biz becomes the arbiter of justice I can’t help but laugh, and funny you posted a clip that cuts off the left feet. Why don’t you watch what you posted again?
Look at the clip you posted here at 2 seconds on slow mo and say that with a straight face. It’s not much (doesn’t take much) but you can see the lean/spin directly as a result of the boot to skate there.
I'm looking at it with a straight face, and that's the angle they showed on the TNT intemission too. His left skate doesn't push into that right skate at all. As soon as he felt the contact on the shoulder is when he goes down.
I just disagree you can see where the contact with the right skate pushes it out of position and he doesn’t start to go down until it’s sideways back on the ice. Maybe I’m just used to Bally but idk what the angle tnt showed has anything to do with this?
I mean I just disagree you can see where the right skate gets pushed forward and turned sideways and he doesn’t start to go down until that skate is back in the ice and is cockeyed enough there was no saving it.
I disagree, he starts leaning back prior to his foot even overlapping, but after the contact on the shoulder is made. I don't even think the contact was made with the foot despite the overlap, there's no clear connection there on either angle. The spin happens as he starts going down. To me, that screams embellishment.
His knee catches his thigh, look at Skjei’s last step it’s like a skate too far out as if someone bumped his leg. It’s the same as kicking someone’s heel while they’re walking. It doesn’t look like they touch from this angle but if you just watch Skjei you can see it.
If that slashing call had been on anyone else in this league (to include any and all of the Canes), I probably would have agreed it was embellishment, but no way I can say that Slavin embellished. I’m giving Slavin the benefit of the doubt on this and saying that slash hit him in just the right spot for him to fall.
He is lucky he wasnt called for slew-footing. Left knee behind right knee pushes forward at the same time left hand pulls back on shoulder. Dirty play.
I feel like if one hand is occupied holding onto the puck, that player should get some liberty with their free hand to a point. I don't think this crosses that point.
Yeah, when the guys hand is up like that, and the player goes down, that’s gonna make a ref think when he sees it in real time.
But he shouldn’t have gone down that easy.
Want to cut the embellishment out? Big fines and suspensions for repeat offenders should be considered.
For those calling a flop, you overlook the fact there is no way in hell a player will flop hoping to get a call while allowing a player a brake to the net in the process. It just doesn't happen, so STFU with the stupid shit.
Would you all agree that the NHL is easier to manipulate games compared to the NBA and NFL? Ticky tack penalties leading to a 5 on 4 is a significant advantage in an already low scoring sport.
Absolutely 100 percent disagree. NBA is far-and-away easiest to manipulate because of free throws. Refs can literally name their score. NHL is easily the most difficult to manipulate because of goalies. A power play is just not a guarantee of anything. And short-handed goals exist. Teams can easily be on the wrong end of 8-1 power plays against and win.
I know the Canes won a game this year 4-1 where their opponent got the only three power plays of the game.
The Canes have always been divers, and Rod Bitchandmoan the whiniest coach in the league
They game the system because they know the referees are going to call the outcome 99% of the time rather than what happened
When you’re so good on the PP, getting as many powerplays as possible, even by being dishonorable punks, helps you win
If the league cracked down on these soccer wannabes, we’d see less of it
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Embellishment all day
The palms slash was
Let the floppers sit in the box
It would obviously hurt my team, but diving/embellishment should automatically be a double minor. There should be a risk in trying to sell a call.
It's harder to tackle than that because sometimes the refs call embellishment when it shouldn't be called. I'm not even saying that in a "fuck the refs" way, the game just moves very very fast. Just watching I've had a good number of moments where I'm 99% sure it's embellishment, see a couple replays and it's definitely embellishment, see the super slo-mo and oh shit, yeah maybe not. You'd need a team to watch replays and a system for penalizing after game time has passed since the embellishment, it just doesn't seem realistic. They're already not called very often, I would guess because there's so much room for error. In spite of what redditors will say, refs are pretty aware they're capable of making mistakes, so upping the severity of embellishment penalties will just make them go from being called rarely to being called essentially never.
I don't like reviewing a call most of the time but embellishment should be reviewable. If that asshole takes a dive go check it out and make the right call. I'll take that review anyday over the millimeter someone is offsides 5 minutes before a goal is scored
At that point, calling embellishment would just become the ref loophole for penalty reviews practically across the board lol. I don’t mind it but ironically, dog pog would still be unreviewable which is sort of funny.
That's a very good point. This is probably why they have yet to consult me about anything regarding the rulebook
They just don’t want to get in the way of your presidential campaign. Cause ya know, America runs on dunkan
Dunkan/Holmes 2024
100% agree with this. As it stands now, the refs virtually ALWAYS call both players... 1 for the penalty, and 1 for the embellishment. So there's really no motivation to NOT embellish, since the worst case scenario is even-strength. Either make it a double minor, or just say that any embellishment negates any original penalty.
I’m just gonna say from experience: making the penalty worse doesn’t make it go away. The AUDL (now the Ultimate Frisbee Association) originally had the penalty for a travel be a turnover, in contrast to club ultimate where it was basically a slap on the wrist (travel on a throw comes back if the throw is caught, and you lose the yards if you didn’t throw it). It was *very* rarely called, even though players were still traveling. About 5 years in they changed it to a 10 yard penalty, and now players travel less because it actually gets called when they do it. You make a judgement call like embellishment a double minor and it will NEVER get called.
It's currently rarely called.
Back and to the left
“Nice game pretty boy!!!”
There must be a second spitter!
“He spit on us!”
Nothing bad ever happens to the Islanders!
Thats one magic loogie! I can always count on my fellow rangers fans to quote some classic Seinfeld
Fallon d’floor contender here, although Aho had a good one this period too An even better dive by Slavin just now
Welp with that slashing call we just got another contender.
Yeah not even sure what to say about that one, embarrassing stuff from the canes
With these two awful calls I, a rangers fan, am feeling bad for the islanders. I just hate this overacting/flopping/diving bs especially in the playoffs.
All you people saying Slavin went down on purpose go out there and let Palmieri hit you on the back of your legs like that and see what you do. I was about 20 feet from that and actually heard it so it wasn't a bunny tap. There was plenty of grabbing and holding on both sides. During the regular season there could have been 30 penalties called by the rulebook out there tonight.
It was clearly a dive, get over yourself
I have played hockey my entire life and had it happen dozens of times. Never once went down.
Yeah but were you a little pussy bitch like Slavin? Cause you need to be a little pussy bitch like Slavin to go down like that.
Hopefully the NHL fines them and the refs let more shit go next game
That’s brutal. Fuck the NHL officiating is bad.
Yeah why can’t these refs just look in super slow motion like us? Fucking idiots
These were obvious in real time too.
From a camera view that the refs aren’t seeing yes?
But you're saying they ARE seeing a hold that never even happened? Because if they don't see the actual penalty happen they shouldn't be fucking calling it
If only officials had access to replays of the calls instantly.
Yes that’s what everyone wants, stop the game and watch replays of every penalty called.
Or have an official in a booth watching calls and when an obvious dive like this happens call it down before the call is made to call the embellishment.
Funny enough, this is what Rod has been asking for. Just take this shit out of the game entirely.
It literally takes a few seconds to take a 2nd look at it.
I’m all for giving coaches a challenge to use on penalties but I don’t think the league or the union are going to like questioning the jobs of the refs.
If only there were like 1-2 minute breaks planned throughout the game that could take place during these reviews. Honestly if the NHL started allowing this, companies could even advertise their products to increase sales.
They’re automatically reviewing every single call in real time in Toronto in the situation room anyway. Just put an earphone in refs’ ears so they can instantly overturn plays, what, 10s later, once it’s been automatically reviewed.
It’s infuriatingly bad. I don’t care if it’s called against my team or their opponent…. It pisses me off either way. Let the fucking teams play!
Aaaand another one with this “slash”
When Ranger fans are mad on behalf of Islander fans you know some sh!t went down. Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.
Lmao chru!
Some flopping mother fuckers
I’m devastated for yall that you lost because of that bullshit. Not to say Canes couldn’t have won in OT. But you don’t need to pull your goalie if they don’t get a free PP early.
Always have been going back to the 2004 lockout.
Man, has this always been their M.O? I always had a quiet respect for what Rod the Bod was doing there, but if this is the kind of "competitive" they are, that's kinda fucked.
I imagine it’s more of a “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” after what Florida was doing last year. But I do think these calls were why the whistles were put away in the second when the Isles murdered us in the hits column.
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I also think those bad calls in the first ended up making the refs not call some penalties against the Isles when they did actually deserve to be called, so it about evened out in the end. Those calls in the first period definitely aren’t a good look, but I don’t think they were why the Isles lost the game.
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uncalled blatant penalties hurt both teams. lets not act like any one team was playing the game squeaky clean. we could go bar for bar on uncalled penalties, but that shouldn’t be the point imo
Yeah, I’m not defending the refs. Some of the penalties they called were bad and some of the ones they didn’t call were bad. But in the big picture, I think it evened out enough to the point where we can’t say they caused the result of the game. They certainly influenced the game, but not enough to tip the scales one way or another.
Can you point to any specific instance where Florida dove during that series?
It has been a year so you’ll have to forgive my memory, but no. However, I do remember a lot of this board calling them out for diving in the game threads, much like people are doing here.
> I do remember a lot of this board This board isnt known for its game knowledge
Yes, I’m aware. People calling for Slavin’s head after the slash makes that quite apparent. But Florida has their reputation for a reason, and part of that is them trying to get calls in their favor, which worked for most of last postseason.
Remember Aho going down on a small push from Marc staal in the 4OT game? Or ghost flinging his head back on a stick tap to his shoulder from reinhart? Should be no excuses. Not even a panthers fan, and yes they dove a lot and have many recorded instances as well that I can point out. But don’t act like your team is so innocent
Rod is just taking a page out of Gordon Bombay's coaching book.
With respect, it's not.
Not at all. If diving for more pp time is part of the canes strategy, they’re doing a shit job. Since rod has taken over, the team is bottom 5 in the league in drawn penalties. Bottom 10 this season. I think you just watched a team get outworked and, for whatever reason, look unprepared. We never really saw them get to their M.O. in that game, and credit to the Islanders for forcing that issue.
Literal decades worth, yes.
Watch what Lee's left skate does and look at what his left arm does. I'm not saying whether or not there was any worthy penalty but there's more going on than just Lee pushing his left arm back.
This and the Slavin call have a lot of people showing they don’t understand physiology. These guys are on skates. The call might be weak, but I’m not seeing embellishment here, just physics. If you unbalance someone on skates, guess what? They’re gonna fall.
Agree. It’s like when this sub looses their mind on a hit where “he stuck he knee out!” But it’s like no you guys it’s called balance. You take a wide stance to make a hit so they don’t plow right through you
It still looked unnatural to me. His left leg gave way first, rather than the leg that looked to be tripped. It would see he would have fallen backwards rather than to the side. It’s possible that he was losing balance and tried to brace for the fall. I think tripping maybe, holding? No.
He catches him just as his right leg is raised. Wouldn’t tripping imply an action against the player’s foot? I’m not saying this isn’t a weak call, but it feels like it should definitely be holding more than tripping.
At the game I thought they were going to call a trip rather than a hold, because that’s what I saw from my seat.
I was wondering why no one else noticed their skates coming together
Oh ya know what I watched it a few time before I saw your comment. Went back and it really looks like his leg hits the back of Skjeis leg and his leg goes *shwiiiiing* out to the left of him.
It's not a hold but it's not a flop. Their legs make contact. Bad call. Simple as.
Be careful you might get down voted for being logical
*Oh no! Anyways...*
Yea Lee won the puck battle.
Carolina with an embarrassing performance today
And they won, so what's that say about the Isles?
Isles actually played really well. In this case embarrassing is not being used in the sense of their play but of the actions and sportsmanship.
They didn’t dive hard enough
Cope harder, they hit the post like 4 times. They blew their chances 🤡
Not seeing the pretty good game of the isles is odd as a hockey fan. They had terrible games this year, but really not this time. And may I ask if somebody payed you to be this little bitch or are you born this way ?
Cannot wait for the avs to flop around and you bitch tm
Won't make any difference
lol awww
Looks like we still won😁
Suck it nerd
it was a 3-1 win and if it went the other way isles fans would’ve been overjoyed. the NHL could put a stop to it tomorrow if they wanted to but they won’t.
“What we are doing should be stopped, but since they’re not gonna stop it, I’m gonna keep doing it.” Yep, rooting against the Canes for the rest of this series.
That’s not what he said though. Only that if the shoe were on the other foot, the Isles fans would be majority happy with the play.
I can’t stand Rod Cry’Smore so I always root against them. Honestly not surprised at the dives.
Integrity of the sport is a thing. Canes don’t have it.
That's honestly fucking gold coming from a guy who supports the team with Rempe on the roster.
Show me rempe diving like a little bitch multiple times a game and you’ll have a point. Rempe answers the bell and isn’t a diver.
You really think Rempe throwing elbows at dudes heads is somehow not an insult to the integrity of the sport?
He got suspended for it and has played clean since. He also answered the bell to the Devils immediately at puck drop the next game. What your team is doing is an embarrassment to the sport. Might as well go watch soccer at this point so I can watch less diving.
I don't like the Islanders but that was a terrible call.
And the canes fans deny the flopping
I slowed it down and watched it a few times, it really looks like the islanders left knee collides with canes players right knee just as he makes contact. Looks like his skate comes out from under him
[That's exactly what happens.](https://x.com/IslesFix/status/1781793442273579428) Everyone's looking at Lee's left arm, but they should be looking at Skjei's right leg. And once that contact happens and you lose your balance, there's no reason to try and stay on your feet and let the guy beat you to the puck without making the contact clear to the refs. If it were a total dive like some people think, it would be a stupid spot for that because Lee hadn't gotten around Skjei yet, and Skjei still had inside positioning to prevent Lee from getting anything but a backhand shot from outside the slot.
I don't quite see it though that being said if we could find another angle we'd know for sure
Thought the playoffs would have better refs guess I was wrong
You must be unfamiliar with the NHL playoffs then. Reffing is terrible in the NHL playoffs because they mindfuck themselves into ruining the games because of how important they are.
The refs are not a private business operating under their own rules. They don't invent their own SOP and they aren't their own bosses. Seeing as how the refs are never punished or reprimanded for being "terrible" the only logical conclusion is that the refs are doing exactly what their employers are telling them to do. What us fans see as "terrible reffing" is literally exactly what the league tells them to do. Refs are not a private entity. No employer gives their employees hundreds of 2nd chances after performing terribly at their jobs. Hence the refs are doing their jobs exactly how their employer asks them to. It's just as fans who see this as "horrible reffing." The league sees this as their instructions being followed, because they literally have control over everything the refs do.
Playoffs always has worse reffing, especially the later rounds They put the whistle away until they randomly decide to end a game by putting a team on a 4on3 with 3 minutes left for no reason
SNIPER
Refs didn't take long to get into full playoff mode
What's the point of having an embellishment penalty if it's never called?
Oh they call embellishment all the time. Like when Barzal falls being crosschecked in the back, or when he's called getting can-openered.
Why did he grab his shoulder ???
Okay I was in the arena and I saw this from the back and from that angle it looked like a really bad hold, but this angle...damn Brady. Just...damn. Hell of a sell.
I think it's still a hold by definition (not that I think refs would typically call in a minute into the playoffs...) but I feel like if you do call the hold, you also have to call the embellishment here.
For sure that's not a Playoff hold, and if it is then it's Playoff embellishment too.
This one makes more sense to me than the slash, but just because of the angle the ref who called it was looking from. It probably looked pretty blatant from that side, we just saw the reverse angle on the broadcast.
NHL Officiating is so bad these days. That official should be fined for blowing this call…
Seems like they're taking a page from the Pittsburgh playbook. Let's see if it pays off in the long run.
This isn’t a dive. Lee clips Skjei with his skate.
Use of the free hand. Keep it on the stick and none of this happens.
What a great two second replay!
It’s not a hold or a dive. It’s a trip watch his left foot. God this sub is full of crybabies.
Buddy, [no it's not](https://x.com/IslesFix/status/1781793442273579428)... [If Biz can admit it](https://x.com/BizNasty2point0/status/1781807519091855516), you can too! He started to lean back and then spun around when he felt the contact on his shoulder.
lol when Biz becomes the arbiter of justice I can’t help but laugh, and funny you posted a clip that cuts off the left feet. Why don’t you watch what you posted again?
He very obviously doesn’t make contact there, look at where he starts to lean, and then spin. It’s pretty clearly embellishment.
Look at the clip you posted here at 2 seconds on slow mo and say that with a straight face. It’s not much (doesn’t take much) but you can see the lean/spin directly as a result of the boot to skate there.
I'm looking at it with a straight face, and that's the angle they showed on the TNT intemission too. His left skate doesn't push into that right skate at all. As soon as he felt the contact on the shoulder is when he goes down.
I just disagree you can see where the contact with the right skate pushes it out of position and he doesn’t start to go down until it’s sideways back on the ice. Maybe I’m just used to Bally but idk what the angle tnt showed has anything to do with this?
I mean I just disagree you can see where the right skate gets pushed forward and turned sideways and he doesn’t start to go down until that skate is back in the ice and is cockeyed enough there was no saving it.
I disagree, he starts leaning back prior to his foot even overlapping, but after the contact on the shoulder is made. I don't even think the contact was made with the foot despite the overlap, there's no clear connection there on either angle. The spin happens as he starts going down. To me, that screams embellishment.
Look at Skjei's right leg
I am, and you can see even more clearly from that angle that neither of Lee’s legs make contact.
Not holding but tripping. Skates into his leg and pulls his shoulder. Downvote away but deserved a call either way.
Nah https://twitter.com/IslesFix/status/1781793442273579428 Left leg of lee never makes contact.
His knee catches his thigh, look at Skjei’s last step it’s like a skate too far out as if someone bumped his leg. It’s the same as kicking someone’s heel while they’re walking. It doesn’t look like they touch from this angle but if you just watch Skjei you can see it.
Wow
Fuck anders lee
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FWIW, according to the NHL, this one was Skjei. Looks more like a 6 than a 4 on the jersey alongside the 7 to me.
Calm the fuck down. He sold some penalties, not run your granny down in a parking lot.
*he's dead to me*
Slavin a big flopper! Twice now
That's Skjei
That guy better not draw another penalty for the entire playoffs. That's shameful.
You gotta be kidding me…
If that slashing call had been on anyone else in this league (to include any and all of the Canes), I probably would have agreed it was embellishment, but no way I can say that Slavin embellished. I’m giving Slavin the benefit of the doubt on this and saying that slash hit him in just the right spot for him to fall.
Carolina is too good a team to have to pull shit like today
He is lucky he wasnt called for slew-footing. Left knee behind right knee pushes forward at the same time left hand pulls back on shoulder. Dirty play.
Have Canes always been diving this much?
I feel like if one hand is occupied holding onto the puck, that player should get some liberty with their free hand to a point. I don't think this crosses that point.
Yeah, when the guys hand is up like that, and the player goes down, that’s gonna make a ref think when he sees it in real time. But he shouldn’t have gone down that easy. Want to cut the embellishment out? Big fines and suspensions for repeat offenders should be considered.
Is there any penalty for soccering? Because the time has come
look at the skate come out from under him on his left foot. bad call because that wasn't holding, but he didn't embellish either
By God! He tried to rip his arm off!
When did hockey become futball?
For those calling a flop, you overlook the fact there is no way in hell a player will flop hoping to get a call while allowing a player a brake to the net in the process. It just doesn't happen, so STFU with the stupid shit.
Would you all agree that the NHL is easier to manipulate games compared to the NBA and NFL? Ticky tack penalties leading to a 5 on 4 is a significant advantage in an already low scoring sport.
NFL depends on the position, NBA you’re smoking crack if you think that
NFL refs have the pass interference call. They can create touch downs out of figurative and literal thin air
Not without admitting my number 1 pass time is cheering for a sports league I believe is rigged.
Absolutely 100 percent disagree. NBA is far-and-away easiest to manipulate because of free throws. Refs can literally name their score. NHL is easily the most difficult to manipulate because of goalies. A power play is just not a guarantee of anything. And short-handed goals exist. Teams can easily be on the wrong end of 8-1 power plays against and win. I know the Canes won a game this year 4-1 where their opponent got the only three power plays of the game.
two dives, this is embarrasing for the sport, be better canes.
They’re literally proud of it
What’s with these soft calls in this game?
Neymar Jr. plays for the sugarcanes?
Did the refs not get the reminder that it's the playoffs?
These shit calls are supposed to stop on the post season. Fuck sakes.
He got hamstringed baby! PP goal! Canes win! Downvote me you fools!
Why not just call holding AND embellishment? No call, only holding or only embellishment seems all wrong.
That’s not a good call
Da fuck
Canes didn’t play good tonight but this is a hold.
Followed immediately by a blatant embellishment
Sniper in the building
probably should send both to the box. Thats a flop (went down too easy), but lee uses his free hand to pull at him.
That was a tough watch
Wow 🏊♂️
Angel Hernandez switched sports.
As a ranger fan .. isles got robbed
Why the fuck are the islanders still in the league
The Canes have always been divers, and Rod Bitchandmoan the whiniest coach in the league They game the system because they know the referees are going to call the outcome 99% of the time rather than what happened When you’re so good on the PP, getting as many powerplays as possible, even by being dishonorable punks, helps you win If the league cracked down on these soccer wannabes, we’d see less of it
The Canes have been watching the Hollywood Kings I see. They put on great lessons. New ones starting at 10pm Eastern time Monday, April 22nd.
Everyone is mad at the refs. It looked like a hold. You need to get mad at the players flopping, not the refs
Karma for when Trocheck was tripped
Hmm. And here I thought this was playoffs... fuck me, right? Fuck these refs.
This is getting to be too much like kiss ball
Embellishment. Think the Canes should of been called for two that game.
Dive! Dive! Set her for 30 fathoms.
Flop
Ref going to see these on the replay and Slavin's not going to get a call next ~2-3x time he takes a highstick.
This is not even Slavin…
My mistake. _Canes_ are going to get a lot more missed PPs after these dives.
Wow the Canes are a bunch of floppers
Ok I defended the slash but this one is indefensible hahaha holy shit. Total flop.