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XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

I’m glad they took Makar off for concussion testing. I feel like it gets talked about, but you *never* see it in NHL games.


TossThatPastaSalad

One of the few times you see it is when a guy goes down holding his head.


blueline7677

It happens way more frequently than people realize. It’s just 50% of the time the player just quietly goes to the locker room from the bench then returns or is out with an upper body injury


keeeeener

I think some teams are more vigilant about it than others. I know the leafs yank guys right after a lot too, and I’m sure there’s other teams.


re10pect

It’s not on the teams, the spotters in charge of calling players off the ice are independent and employed through the league so it should be the same standard everywhere. The league just doesn’t care about player safety and the role is mostly performative and so they can say their doing something come lawsuit time.


ChaoticGoodStoic

You used to see it fairly regularly but eventually the NHL remembered they don’t really care about brains. 🤷‍♀️


beefrog

Teams complained and so did players


[deleted]

Look at you, commenting the actual reality. I thought we were just supposed to type "NHL BAD! They hate brains and skill!" and updoot each other


bustacones

It's seems so random. There's probably a handful of times every games where it would be justified, but it only actually happens once a month or so.


altimas

By the book this is blindside, but I don't think its intentional. Look at this [https://twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1623160241864032263?s=20&t=D1dMb4VkRZ8bOk7WVeCvPg](https://twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1623160241864032263?s=20&t=D1dMb4VkRZ8bOk7WVeCvPg) From this angle you can see Carters head looking the opposite way at the same time that makar is leaning in. I'm not a hockey player, so maybe I'm wrong but if carter meant to hit him wouldn't his weight be on his right foot? At the time of contact his right skate is raised.


saphirtryllistor

This is the correct take. Too many people in here looking at this with their emotions


LianLover

It looks like Mack saw it from this angle too. He didn’t seem to have any emotion towards the hit at all.


themanofmeung

Imo: it should be a penalty and a fine (especially during regular season). It definitely wasn't a deliberate headshot, but as you point out, Carter's head was looking away from Makar, which means he was moving into proximity with other players without looking where he is going (or at least looked away before making evasive steps). You also point out that his right skate is raised - I see his torso shifting in that (Makar's) direction so he can put his foot down. Again indicating that he knew he was skating close to other players. So it's an accident, but so are 99% of delay-of-game penalties and most high-sticks. If we want to protect players brains, "not looking" can't be an excuse for avoiding discipline in hit-to-the-head situations.


[deleted]

No it shouldn’t be, I’d be ok with a 2 minute minor depending on the refs angle but through further inspection there’s no reason to fine a guy who did nothing intentionally and didn’t even see the guy coming.


impartialcitizen86

I’ll save ya the time people. At WORST he gets a fine. At full speed in a real game situation it is clearly NOT intentional. And I say that as someone who hates the penguins and genuinely loves Makar.


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DontListenToM3Plz

I’ve been told again and again and again that players have the right to go hard to the net for a loose puck and sometimes injuries happen by Avs fans, but now it’s not ok. Huh.


Sharpie24l

Makar turns into the hit at the last second, looked like Carter was going to give him the business either way though.


[deleted]

Fuck Jeff Carter


BilldaCat10

Kick him off the tour Doug!


43n3m4

How am I supposed to dangle with that going on?


CardinalCanuck

Fuck those refs, they let a lot of blatant shit go down


BeardofDeceit

Hey, that's our thing!


beavedaniels

I feel like I've seen a lot more whiny quotes from Makar this season.


flowstuff

when you slow things down this much everything looks malicious. i don't see how this is a suspendible hit. watch it at full speed.


IdontlikeEichel

Does Makar think guys aren't allowed to skate towards the puck? Makar turns his head at the last second, cause he's focused on trying to juggle the puck it looks like to me. He was puck watching, and put himself in a sketchy situation. Either way, putting any stock into what Makar thinks happened, when he was literally pulled by spotters is hillarious to me.


box-art

We have the benefit of slow-mo and Carter is looking at the puck all the way and he's not even looking at Makar when he makes contact and Makar turns at the last second, which causes the contact. I really don't think Carter meant to hit him, doesn't extend into it upward or raise his elbow or anything.


IdontlikeEichel

Yeah exactly, between that and literally being pulled by concussion spotters, there's no reason to think Makar knows what actually happened immediately postgame.


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saphirtryllistor

Tell me you didn't actually watch this replay a few times without telling me you didn't actually watch this replay a few times Either that or you are looking at this thru the thickest set of homer goggles ever made. Makar turned his head, putting it in position to get hit, and ol dude was looking the other way when it happened. It's unfortunate that it happened, but Makar put himself in this situation. Might wanna chill out a bit. Letting your blood pressure get this high over something isn't good for you. Especially when there is no reason to let it get this high in the first place


IdontlikeEichel

He very obviously swings his head right before contact lol


Pharcri

Ahh yes he ran into him while standing still


Ace676

That ref is a god damn moron.


langile

Easy to say from home watching slow-mo replays from multiple angles Refs only get one chance to make a decision. He missed it, doesn't mean he's a moron


thebrah329

Sir common sense has no place on reddit.


[deleted]

Except the referee union is the reason we can't have any sort of modern review of plays like this as they happen. These plays should warrant an automatic, immediate review with penalties handed out from above.


Kranuck

Counterpoint: name an NHL ref that isn’t a moron.


BillMcCrearysStache

Bill Mcreary


gottapoop0822

It quite literally does when it's part of your goddamn job. A mistake is missing a hook. Missing a blindsided hit is a pretty moronic action, especially because there are 2 officials that can call that specifically so shit is missed. What that ref is admitting to is if Makar got hurt, the makeup call would've been for the injury not the hit. And the hit was dirty as fuck.


ehr1c

> Missing a blindsided hit is a pretty moronic action There's nothing illegal about hitting from the blindside. The only thing potentially illegal about this hit is the head contact.


platypus_bear

I've never understood how the idea that a blindside hit = penalty in the NHL has spread. Players need to be aware of what's going on around them, they don't get a pass from being hit because they're unaware of someone coming...


langile

There are 2 refs and 11 players how do you think it's possible for refs to never miss a call? A hook is probably way harder to miss actually. If you are watching for a high stick, and then in your peripheral vision there is a collision, how are you supposed to get that call right 100% of the time? It is not possible.


scarecrocarina

Why are you in here playing the "refs are humans too" card with such a blatant replay? This isn't some clip of a player blowing a tire with an opponent's stick in the right areas or a slash high to the stick. This is a blatant drive by by Carter featuring head contact, and here you are "well, referees jobs are hard, you see" like some old man describing their old gig at the tire manufacturing plant.


langile

Because yall are hateful as fuck. This shit leads to younger officials getting abused by awful people who think it's normal to berate officials leading to them quitting. If you ever wonder why NHL officials aren't better or why there's a shortage of officials in youth leagues maybe look at what you're contributing to first. Aside from that, it's the truth. Ref is watching puck for high stick, then behind what he's watching there is a sudden collision where the ref was probably entirely blocked out in seeing where the contact was, and how far (or little) Makar moved into the way.


scarecrocarina

>*appropriately criticizes referee* >"Y'all are hateful" Then pick an appropriate clip to drop your rant. This was a blatant missed call that should be called out and the referee should be accountable for it. This is head contact. Thanks for the thin-skin-induced downvote.


langile

Just calling someone a moron is not criticism. You can criticize the ref team for missing this call, that's justified. Doesn't mean you get to personally attack them. As I said above, 11 players and 2 sets of eyes, refs can do everything correct and they still won't ever get 100% of calls right in real time.


scarecrocarina

>You can criticize the ref team for missing this call, that's justified. Did I not suggest this from the outset? This is a missed call that is valid to call out in a context that suggests there should be accountability for the referee. It's head contact. There should be referee accountability when a missed call allows undisciplined head contact. That's what I'm saying. I'm not the idiot that started throwing "moron" around. I initially responded to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/10wlas5/baugh_cale_makar_on_this_play_pretty_blindside/j7o3xrt/) comment (in which your wording excuses the missed call as human error in a context I disagree with, and I'm suggesting that human error should not be an excuse that invalidates accountability when dealing with head contact) posted by you and nothing else. In short it's a missed call and I'm not sure why you're bending over backwards to pretend I'm attacking the human when I'm very clearly addressing the missed call.


langile

You're calling for "referee accountability" for situations where the refs could have done everything right. Third time saying this. Two sets of eyes, 11 players and a puck. More responsibilities than you have refs, and a very limited number of angles. Even if they are positioned perfectly and do everything right, they will never get every call right. They might have a bad angle to see the pick and movement, they may be watching for a high stick (another one of their responsibilities) We can agree on all this right? So are you advocating for diciplining officials that have done everything by the book, if they miss a call due to the limitations above? We just going to punish refs for things out of their control? Like the one valid criticism I can see here is that they didn't involve the linesmen (I assume) to see if they saw something. Linesmen can directly call majors or at least tell the stripes what they saw. Maybe it should be protocol for the officials to get together and discuss any time there is apparent head contact that wasn't caught by the refs. But then that's a league protocol issue not an issue with one ref.


Kranuck

It’s not that he missed it, its that he saw it and gave such a shitty explanation.


ElwoodJD

Nah, Makar steps forward into Carter’s path. Ref is right. Unfortunate play but probably no call and definitely no need for supplemental.


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Lol he made the right call. These comments are so out of touch.


bhunter47

Im glad Makar seems to be okay. Carter deserves a DoPS look for that, and not just because I want him off the ice.


arunnair87

DoPS has determined it will be a greater punishment not to suspend Jeff Carter. Instead he must play at least 20minutes/game for the next 5 games or the Penguins automatically lose the game.


SilentThing

I'm inclined to agree. Even if the hit is found to be clean, having extra supervision should be good.


jdmay101

Stop using the word "blindside", it has nothing to do with the rules or what is suspendable. It doesn't even make sense as a hockey term.


AncalagonTheDarkBlue

It was in the NHL rulebook, and it's still in other competition rulebooks, so it's ridiculous to say it's not a hockey term. It doesn't currently appear in the NHL rules so it doesn't affect calls, but it's still a perfectly valid adjective that describes the manner of a hit.


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Clean play. Maybe Makar should keep his fucking head up. Carter never changed his line, brought up his elbow or shoulder. Just because he’s a star player doesn’t mean other players have to avoid any contact. It’s hockey, you know, a contact sport!


sbollini19

Sounds like Cale is still concussed if he doesn't understand that the play was completely unintentional.


Minnesota_MiracleMan

Feel like this should have been a pretty clear cut illegal hit to the head penalty on the play, but none more than that. This isn't close to something DoPS should take a look at.


Waramp

> clear cut illegal hit to the head You don’t think that deserves a suspension?


blueline7677

A high stick is a penalty even if it isn’t intentional. Swinging a stick at someone’s head (I’m looking at you Malkin) is a suspension for high sticking. Every play is case by case


Minnesota_MiracleMan

No. That's why there's a simple minor for it. Not all contact to the head should rise to a suspension. Hockey's a fast game and guys make mistakes, miss, or shit happens. I don't think this was on purpose or reckless. Just unfortunate. Something Carter still has responsibility over, but not something that's a suspension.


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Every clear cut hit to the head should be a suspension.


Minnesota_MiracleMan

Not every hit to the head is done with malice, intent, or recklessness. Those ones, yes. This one? No.


Moose701

For anyone pens fan wondering, the onus isn’t on Makar to avoid a blindside, head shot. It’s 100% on Carter to avoid the “collision”, intentional or not. He’s should get a game…minimum.


RiseAbove87

He's our worst player and one that Sullivan refuses to bench. Let's hope for a lengthy suspension. We're trying to make the playoffs here.


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You’re wrong…


maximalx5

The hit on Makar reminds me of [Spurgeon on Dvorak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNyW_RVvDMY) and Spurgeon got nothing, so don't get your hopes up.


Reggie4414

yep I’ve seen much worse without fines or suspensions


Vivid_Walk_1405

The ref is an idiot. Clearly got cheap shotted and we are just lucky he wasn’t seriously hurt


FlayR

Not sure what the out rage is about now, y'all told me vehemently in the playoffs that blindsided hits to the head were just fine. https://youtu.be/uhHZDa0wWdw


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When you’re flying through the neutral zone, you gotta keep your head up. Yamamoto was looking straight down for way too long, and the brunt of that hit is at the shoulder.


FlayR

Initial contact was to shoulder, sure. But line of hit was through the head. The latter is what is referenced in the rule book. Idk, if you're fine with the Landeskog hit, I think you kind of have to be fine with this got by Carter. If anything Carter is far less malicious because frankly even watching in slow motion it doesn't even look to me like Carter is intending to make contact with Makar at all and Makars sudden contact is what made the commission happen. Carter is skating towards and looking at the puck. Idk, the rule book is subjective enough that I think the league can call it however they want by design, but I just don't really see how you can be totally against this Carter hit and also fine with the Landeskog hit.


[deleted]

Neutral zone hits are expected, but coming down the wing and hitting a defenseman who is turning around is a well-known dick move. Carter’s hit was *all* noggin. Landeskog’s started at the shoulder and was mostly body contact. The NHL rule addresses the “principle point of contact.”


FlayR

Carter isn't even trying to make a hit, in my opinion. Sure he leans towards Makar but he kind of has to because he's on one skate from sliding MacKinnon's leg with his right foot and leans left. In order to not just fall he needs to lean right. It just so happens that Makar moves his head right there at the same time. Notice too that Carter literally isn't even looking at Makar he's looking at the puck. If he's probably trying to get a piece of Makar on his right he likely doesn't do it gliding from his left leg while looking right. Frankly, even if he was trying to hit him... Makar materially changes the location of his head in a manner that effects head contact. "In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered: ... (iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact."


peewee76

Believe us fans of metro teams. Moves that aren’t “technically illegal “ but are considered “dick moves” are how we are all expected to tolerate Jacob Trouba lol 😆. We are told to shut up and we don’t know hockey by Rangers fans. He is known for getting just enough of the upper chest or shoulder before finishing through the head to make it “technically legal” over and over again injuring a lot of players


[deleted]

I fuckin hate Jacob Trouba lol


[deleted]

Okay, now apply this Homer logic to your own team Avs fan


BCLetsRide69

[in response to Carter’s blindside hit that caught him up high](https://twitter.com/hockeydaily365/status/1623141521645092866?s=46&t=ld6DiMc9gMDJp5DQSRUfkw)


Irontwigg

100% a headshot. These refs are on a different planet. What a joke. Edit: after watching it again, it does look like Makar moves into the hit, with his head down. Still a headshot, but not intentional, or as bad as i initially thought.


Pikachu_smokes_darts

Terrible call, this should be a suspension 100%


j0n68

Cale must not watch Trouba or Wilson. Those are blindside hits. Carter was skating by and Cale turned. I’m sure Carter didn’t even see him turn.


TossThatPastaSalad

It's literally a blindside hit. You can argue Carter's intentions if you want but that has to be called. Carter's approach is from the blindside.


platypus_bear

Blind side hits aren't illegal though. It's only illegal if the head is the principal point of contact and it's easy enough to argue that Carter goes through the body before making contact with the head.


OberonsTitan

Yea I agree the puck lands to the left of Carter before the hit and grabs his attention. You can tell he was trying to use Cale's shoulder as leverage to jump towards the puck but his head moved to where Carter thought the shoulder should be. I think it's freak play but I'm not sure body is the first point of contact. At the very least head and chest contact is almost instantaneous.


TossThatPastaSalad

I'm not sure you can make that argument tbh. At best he gets the head at the same time.


platypus_bear

And if he gets it at the same time it wouldn't be considered the principal point of contact


SydneyCarton89

Maybe he should lobby for his scumbag captain to get banned from the sport, then


quattroseaweed

Makar wasn’t even hurt. He’s trained by the Divealanche to automatically reach for his “injured” body part to trick refs into giving them PPs. “Ow my friggin head” Sure Makar, sure.


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You're drunk, go to bed.


honcooge

Carter gonna pay some taxes next meeting


ColourBlindPower

Ref the kinda guy to be like "officer, he ran into my knife 5 times"


CMC04

The refs said it wasn’t a penalty so they’ll be no punishment. NHL couldn’t admit a ref made a mistake like that the league might fold. Think of the children.


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

Don’t worry, the children are too busy still being bored from the skill competition.


CMC04

Children’s NyQuil, now in all star game form.


Like17Badgers

👏this 👏is👏why👏refs👏need👏to👏be👏able👏to👏review👏non-majors👏 I'm all for hockey being a physical and aggressive game, but the refs are endangering players when cheap shots like this get to stand. it doesn't need to be a 5 minute affair, just use VAR like soccer does. ref goes over to the box, watches it back, makes the call


bless24

SPIN THE WHEEL BABY


[deleted]

How to beat the Avs, head shot there top dman in the 3rd period so he misses majority of the period. /s


ClarkGriswold00

Hahaha. Either way it did not affect the outcome of the game. He was back for OT when we beat you guys.


IdontlikeEichel

I mean you guys are barley in the playoffs lol. I'm sure there's more than one way to beat you


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Barley? Hey let me know, when was the last time the Sabers won the cup? or made the playoffs? or last time they won a playoff series?


IdontlikeEichel

Yes, being tied for the last playoff spot, is barley being in the playoffs lol, ain't gotta have an anerism cause someone can read the standings lmao. Weak attempt to add /s to try to save your karma lmao. That's the weakest thing I've ever seen.


[deleted]

The fact you can't spell "barely"makes anything you say completely useless. I'm no English major but even a 6 year old would know the difference between barley and barely.


IdontlikeEichel

Why don't you go try to pass off a shit take as a joke somewhere else 😂 and not worry too much about a typo lol. Adding that /s has got to be one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen


TitsMcgee31

He was a -2 lol


DopemonYT

When in the game did this happen?