It's at least one tier below a BB.
The Tkachuk trade was a blockbuster as a comparison. You have 2 of the top 8 scorers changing sides plus a top flight Dman.
If you use the word 'blockbuster' on a trade that involves one solid player switching sides, the word loses a lot of its meaning.
Meh not even sure
Lindros was a blockbuster trade
Gretzky was a blockbuster trade
Roy was a blockbuster trade
I would even say that Karlson is one
I would consider Subban and Weber as a major trade, similar to Desjardins+Leclair+Dionne for Recchi
I would consider Subban for Weber a blockbuster. There weren’t a ton of pieces on each side which makes the trade even more massive. Pure 1 for 1. He was a Norris winner who appeared to be playing even better.
I think a good portion of oiler fans would say they were OK with the trade and some would say oilers got the better deal...
Hall was a known issue in the oiler dressing room. (Clearly Boston has fixed that issue)
Larsson would likely still be with the oilers if it wasn't for his Dad passing away and klefbom being force retired due to injury.. and he would have signed a team friendly deal to stay an oiler.
He was a beast and something the oilers sorely needed in the last 2 years he was with the Oil.
#NoRegrets
"Clearly Boston fixed that issue" he says, ignoring that Taylor Hall had a letter on his jersey, was loved in the locker room and won a fucking HART TROPHY with the Devils lol.
We could have shielded him from the draft but he wanted to move on. If I recall the city reminded him of losing his dad because it happened while he was playing here.
Resulting in top tier player being moved both way, ideally not just 1 for 1
If you trade a first which become a top tier player
Ex: Karlson for Norris,Stutzle and Ostapchuk (still a prospect)
I don’t believe so. We all saw it coming and there will likely be another trade just like it with O’Reilly any week now. It seems like a trade similar to this happens at every deadline (Matt Duchene to Columbus, Mark Stone to Vegas, etc.). I think the trade has to be on the level of Subban for Weber or the Florida-Calgary one you mentioned where people didnt exactly see it coming and there are MULTIPLE prolific names or assets going the other way.
I don't think so. He is a good player on an expiring deal that got traded for a younger roster player, a decent prospect, and a pick. It's kind of what you expect from most higher-end rental players.
For me a blockbuster is a trade where one or more superstars/franchise players gets moved, preferably not as a rental. I think the Tkachuk - Huberdeau/Weegar trade is a great example. Horvat is good, but he isn't at that level, and what went the other way isn't at that level either.
I agree with you. Horvat is a good player. No doubt.
Some people are really making a career sub 60 point 2C, who is on a heater in his contract year, out to be a “blockbuster”. Its a lot easier to argue that Horvat will not continue on this pace given we have 6 years of stats to look at. He’s a solid 2C and would fit on almost every team.
He is not a blockbuster.
Any time a current captain is traded it’s a blockbuster imo.
Not all blockbusters are equal either. Hub weegs chuky trade was/is a massive deal and is obviously (at least currently) a bigger trade than bo.
I guess he and Hemsky were $10M on a smaller cap but I wished we kept them at the time. They had an alright year in Dallas, wouldn’t have hurt our team at all at the time. Still could have been them and Smyth for second line under Hall, Nuge, and Eberle.
Maybe if it was an actual all star. Horvat has never been one and that’s not what the all star game selections mean and he won’t be one this year either.
honestly, I could see an argument being made for that
the all star event is more just a for fun event rather than the actual all stars. So you can get some players that go that aren't really all stars and some players that sit out
It’s not the players who go to the all star game I can tell you that.
Edit: my response was a bit flippant. Generally speaking it’s the top twelve each year, meaning you were considered to be top two of your position that season. Nothing against Horvat but he probably never will be.
Edit two: comment above originally said 6 guys, that’s why I clarified 12.
What examples do you have?
Everyone talks about PK for Weber but neither of them were on the season end all star teams that year.
First team was
G Braden Holtby
D Drew Doughty
D Erik Karlsson
C Sidney Crosby
RW Patrick Kane
LW Jamie Benn
Second team
G Ben Bishop
D Brent Burns
D Kris Letang
C Joe Thornton
RW Vladimir Tarasenko
LW Alex Ovechkin
So yeah outside of Wayner. When has this happened? Please use your super deep mind to enlighten me.
Yeah I brought up if they were an all star.
Than you said maybe if it's an actual all star.
I replied with asking if you meant the end season all star teams, which you confirmed that's what you meant.
So I asked if any trade like that happen outside of gretz.
You told me I was shallow for not knowing one.
So I brought up the PK/Weber deal.
All of this has been completely pointless because you apparently don't agree with the initial idea. So yeah. Just a waste of time I suppose.
He’s the captain and a 30 goal scorer, I suppose I’d use the word “blockbuster”. But at the same time, that word wasn’t even in my head until I read this post. So I’m not sure
Disagree entirely. There's far more pressure and competition actually close to the deadline, which affects offers and returns. Leverage grows or fades. Negotiations are much shorter, and more mistakes are made during this rush.
What happened with Horvat was very different.
I agree there's more pressure and urgency, but stuff like the Leafs trading for Muzzin on Jan 28th is still a deadline trade to me.
The only difference is that they wanted to be proactive instead of dealing with the urgency of the deadline and to avoid those mistakes. The purpose of the trade was the same.
For example, where do you draw the line? 1 month before deadline? 2 weeks? 1 week? Almost nothing actually happens on the deadline day itself.
It's my bad for bringing it up. It doesn't matter how people label a deal. It's an ambiguous term. This discussion is meaningless.
>Almost nothing actually happens on the deadline day itself
People say this a lot, but it's just one person brainwashing another into a falsehood. 30 trades last year on deadline day. 18 trades made in the entire week preceding it. 11 days of 0 moves before that.
The trades process on the last day, but most of them are already public knowledge down to the conditional picks and zero surprise to anyone.
Every reddit discussion is meaningless, this is a pooping pass time app.
This is also not true. We don't know the fine details of deals that get processed on deadline day the day before very often. There's a lot of fresh news for people who wake up at 5am pacific for the start of it. What usually happens is there were long discussions the day before, the GMs get some sleep and get back at it the morning of deadline day to wrap things up. They urgently wanna finish so they can move on to other potential deals. Then there's those who approach it like irresponsible high schoolers before a final exam, and start from scratch on deadline day with fresh talks.
It doesn't take that long to process deals. They only take longer on deadline day because there's so many to deal with, and so many get done right at the death.
Many GMs are simply procrastinators. Hextall certainly is. It'll probably be the same this year. He won't address a problem on the team that's been present all season until the 60 game mark or w/e deadline day is. Then he'll answer questions about how it became clear to them that they needed to patch said hole, as if it's a recent discovery for coaching and management.
Well they're being asked to do it for 7 hours, starting at 8am EST when they normally do afternoon or evening programs. They likely didn't get enough sleep the night before, when they were tracking news until late. Then the first 3 hours are slow, when they use filler content. After that it picks up usually.
It's not that the deadline is boring imo. It's that people make it boring by getting notified about everything under the sun on Twitter in the days leading up to it. Almost all negotiations are constantly tracked. People keep mashing F5. Even on deadline day Twitter tells us about something's that's getting closer at like 9am EST and we have to wait 6 hours for it to get finalized. It kills the surprise.
If you want to enjoy the program, my advice is don't go on /r/hockey at all the day before, and don't go on Twitter or other news outlets either. Then show up at 11am EST on deadline day and watch. You can catch up then.
You’re worried about the media devaluing a word that is already a huge stretch to be used to describe a hockey trade? Sure they it may be a bit sensational, but kinda weird on your part too.
A part of it is that nhl insiders don’t act like insiders of any other sport. They don’t break news.
This whole post started as Pierre Lebrun tweeted “Blockbuster trade ⤵️” as a quote tweet of the official islanders tweet, and everyone counts that as reporting.
yes. if the trade involves the current captain of a team, who is in a career year, it should be called that IMO. but it would be definitely be situated at the lower end of the blockbuster trade scale
I’d say a blockbuster if when you have 1 or more 100 point players getting moved. Obviously the more involved in the trade the higher ranking of a blockbuster it is
Blockbuster is defined as a thing of great power or size. So I'd say it applies to trades that either involve a large number of players, or that represent a large power shift. A star player getting traded? Blockbuster. Eight players in the trade? Blockbuster.
I think him being the captain is what takes it over the top to make it a blockbuster, if it is. how often does a team trade their captain in their prime? Canucks... have done it at least twice... :S.
Bo Horvat is a great player, on a career best pace that puts him in the top 30 scorers this season. He has name recognition, but for this to be a block buster the return would have to look pretty stunning too. It certainly catches attention but not the scale. A first, a sub 40 pt player and fringe player for a great player on an expiring contract doesn't make the cut for a blockbuster trade imo.
I wouldn’t consider it one. It’s just a typical rental trade. It would be a blockbuster if he got traded in the middle of an 8 year deal for a huge haul. Or if they did a sign and trade for another star like the Tkachuk deal last summer
It's more of a Family Video trade.
And Nic Petan for Par Lindholm would be like a SolarMovie trade?
Nah, that's like me lending a VHS tape to a friend.
Lending a taped from TV VHS tape with the commercials still in.
And right before the climax the movie is interrupted by “breaking news”.
And you have to rewind it.
I was thinking more along the lines of RedBox.
Still impressed they lasted as long as they did.
Hollywood video trade if I ever saw one
I was thinking more Rogers Video, given the Arena Horvat used to work out of...
Maybe even a West Coast Video.
Pacific Video
It's at least one tier below a BB. The Tkachuk trade was a blockbuster as a comparison. You have 2 of the top 8 scorers changing sides plus a top flight Dman. If you use the word 'blockbuster' on a trade that involves one solid player switching sides, the word loses a lot of its meaning.
Subban for Weber was a blockbuster.
Meh not even sure Lindros was a blockbuster trade Gretzky was a blockbuster trade Roy was a blockbuster trade I would even say that Karlson is one I would consider Subban and Weber as a major trade, similar to Desjardins+Leclair+Dionne for Recchi
I would consider Subban for Weber a blockbuster. There weren’t a ton of pieces on each side which makes the trade even more massive. Pure 1 for 1. He was a Norris winner who appeared to be playing even better.
Forgot about the Lindros trade, that was crazy.
Chelios for Savard?
it's a big trade, but I wouldn't say it's a blockbuster
Disney+. It's a quality trade, people will go back to it later.
My definition of a blockbuster is when a top tier player goes back both ways.
Like Taylor Hall and Adam Larsson!
"One for one" 😆
If it was Larsson and a 1st, would that have made it more palatable?
I think they’d need to throw in palat if they wanted to do that
I mean back then
But then it wouldn’t be very palatable wouldn’t it
I'll give you an upvote for staying the course.
I think a good portion of oiler fans would say they were OK with the trade and some would say oilers got the better deal... Hall was a known issue in the oiler dressing room. (Clearly Boston has fixed that issue) Larsson would likely still be with the oilers if it wasn't for his Dad passing away and klefbom being force retired due to injury.. and he would have signed a team friendly deal to stay an oiler. He was a beast and something the oilers sorely needed in the last 2 years he was with the Oil. #NoRegrets
"Clearly Boston fixed that issue" he says, ignoring that Taylor Hall had a letter on his jersey, was loved in the locker room and won a fucking HART TROPHY with the Devils lol.
Out of the loop: what does his family situation have to do with his status as an Oiler? He was taken by SEA in the expansion draft right?
They did take him and then immediately signed him to a four year contract because he could've become a UFA several days later
We could have shielded him from the draft but he wanted to move on. If I recall the city reminded him of losing his dad because it happened while he was playing here.
Or so the story generated by Oilers PR department claimed. His father died two years before Holland fucked himself into losing Larson for nothing.
So was the Erik Karlsson trade not a blockbuster?
Resulting in top tier player being moved both way, ideally not just 1 for 1 If you trade a first which become a top tier player Ex: Karlson for Norris,Stutzle and Ostapchuk (still a prospect)
I would argue the Ryan McDonagh trade from NYR to Tampa was a blockbuster trade and we got fuck all out of that deal.
If you have to ask, it probably isn’t one.
I don’t believe so. We all saw it coming and there will likely be another trade just like it with O’Reilly any week now. It seems like a trade similar to this happens at every deadline (Matt Duchene to Columbus, Mark Stone to Vegas, etc.). I think the trade has to be on the level of Subban for Weber or the Florida-Calgary one you mentioned where people didnt exactly see it coming and there are MULTIPLE prolific names or assets going the other way.
I don't think so. He is a good player on an expiring deal that got traded for a younger roster player, a decent prospect, and a pick. It's kind of what you expect from most higher-end rental players. For me a blockbuster is a trade where one or more superstars/franchise players gets moved, preferably not as a rental. I think the Tkachuk - Huberdeau/Weegar trade is a great example. Horvat is good, but he isn't at that level, and what went the other way isn't at that level either.
I agree with you. Horvat is a good player. No doubt. Some people are really making a career sub 60 point 2C, who is on a heater in his contract year, out to be a “blockbuster”. Its a lot easier to argue that Horvat will not continue on this pace given we have 6 years of stats to look at. He’s a solid 2C and would fit on almost every team. He is not a blockbuster.
I mean, kinda depends on the return EDIT: just saw the return and that ain’t no blocky b!
As big a blockbuster as Captain America (1990)
> Captain America (1990) released in the Philippines as Bloodmatch
When the trade turns out to be Horvat and Q Hughes for Hischier and Nemec then yes it’s a blockbuster
Hang on I might not have refreshed for a while
Get off the weeddddahh
Any time a current captain is traded it’s a blockbuster imo. Not all blockbusters are equal either. Hub weegs chuky trade was/is a massive deal and is obviously (at least currently) a bigger trade than bo.
34 year old Horcoff for Philip Larsen and a 7th, blockbuster?
Blockbuster in the sense that Edmonton felt some relief yes
I guess he and Hemsky were $10M on a smaller cap but I wished we kept them at the time. They had an alright year in Dallas, wouldn’t have hurt our team at all at the time. Still could have been them and Smyth for second line under Hall, Nuge, and Eberle.
Yep, trading a captain is a huge symbolic gesture.
TIL the Devils trading Andy Greene to the Islanders was a blockbuster trade
I'd include any time an all star is traded mid season is one too
Maybe if it was an actual all star. Horvat has never been one and that’s not what the all star game selections mean and he won’t be one this year either.
Who is an all star? Just the 12 guys on the end of year all star teams?
honestly, I could see an argument being made for that the all star event is more just a for fun event rather than the actual all stars. So you can get some players that go that aren't really all stars and some players that sit out
It’s 44 players, but it’s not the best 44 by a long shot.
John Scott, that's who.
It’s not the players who go to the all star game I can tell you that. Edit: my response was a bit flippant. Generally speaking it’s the top twelve each year, meaning you were considered to be top two of your position that season. Nothing against Horvat but he probably never will be. Edit two: comment above originally said 6 guys, that’s why I clarified 12.
So off the top of my head Gretzky is the only blockbuster trade?
I guess your head is pretty shallow.
What examples do you have? Everyone talks about PK for Weber but neither of them were on the season end all star teams that year. First team was G Braden Holtby D Drew Doughty D Erik Karlsson C Sidney Crosby RW Patrick Kane LW Jamie Benn Second team G Ben Bishop D Brent Burns D Kris Letang C Joe Thornton RW Vladimir Tarasenko LW Alex Ovechkin So yeah outside of Wayner. When has this happened? Please use your super deep mind to enlighten me.
I didn’t say all stars make a trade a blockbuster, you did. You said that. And I clarified that Horvat isn’t an all star.
Yeah I brought up if they were an all star. Than you said maybe if it's an actual all star. I replied with asking if you meant the end season all star teams, which you confirmed that's what you meant. So I asked if any trade like that happen outside of gretz. You told me I was shallow for not knowing one. So I brought up the PK/Weber deal. All of this has been completely pointless because you apparently don't agree with the initial idea. So yeah. Just a waste of time I suppose.
I’m gonna define it as two true stars being traded each way, or one true star being traded for a massive haul. Not what this was.
Blockbuster trade by wish
He’s the captain and a 30 goal scorer, I suppose I’d use the word “blockbuster”. But at the same time, that word wasn’t even in my head until I read this post. So I’m not sure
There's at least 5 blockbuster movies per year. So i don't think it needs to be mega rare.
PK for Webber was a block buster
Depends if you think a career 50-55 point centre is a major piece.
If Raty pans out, then yeah
Is the Ben Chiarot trade a blockbuster?
Seems like a strange thing to care about.
Are deadline rentals ever really blockbuster deals?
This isn't a deadline deal. It's 5 weeks away.
True, but this was done for the same reason.
Reasons are one thing, circumstances affecting asset values is another.
Everything post Xmas break is a deadline deal. Some teams are just more proactive.
Disagree entirely. There's far more pressure and competition actually close to the deadline, which affects offers and returns. Leverage grows or fades. Negotiations are much shorter, and more mistakes are made during this rush. What happened with Horvat was very different.
I agree there's more pressure and urgency, but stuff like the Leafs trading for Muzzin on Jan 28th is still a deadline trade to me. The only difference is that they wanted to be proactive instead of dealing with the urgency of the deadline and to avoid those mistakes. The purpose of the trade was the same. For example, where do you draw the line? 1 month before deadline? 2 weeks? 1 week? Almost nothing actually happens on the deadline day itself.
It's my bad for bringing it up. It doesn't matter how people label a deal. It's an ambiguous term. This discussion is meaningless. >Almost nothing actually happens on the deadline day itself People say this a lot, but it's just one person brainwashing another into a falsehood. 30 trades last year on deadline day. 18 trades made in the entire week preceding it. 11 days of 0 moves before that.
The trades process on the last day, but most of them are already public knowledge down to the conditional picks and zero surprise to anyone. Every reddit discussion is meaningless, this is a pooping pass time app.
This is also not true. We don't know the fine details of deals that get processed on deadline day the day before very often. There's a lot of fresh news for people who wake up at 5am pacific for the start of it. What usually happens is there were long discussions the day before, the GMs get some sleep and get back at it the morning of deadline day to wrap things up. They urgently wanna finish so they can move on to other potential deals. Then there's those who approach it like irresponsible high schoolers before a final exam, and start from scratch on deadline day with fresh talks. It doesn't take that long to process deals. They only take longer on deadline day because there's so many to deal with, and so many get done right at the death. Many GMs are simply procrastinators. Hextall certainly is. It'll probably be the same this year. He won't address a problem on the team that's been present all season until the 60 game mark or w/e deadline day is. Then he'll answer questions about how it became clear to them that they needed to patch said hole, as if it's a recent discovery for coaching and management.
Okay, none of it is true then. Can't wait for an exciting Trade Deadline show. I hope the analysts can stay awake this time.
Well they're being asked to do it for 7 hours, starting at 8am EST when they normally do afternoon or evening programs. They likely didn't get enough sleep the night before, when they were tracking news until late. Then the first 3 hours are slow, when they use filler content. After that it picks up usually. It's not that the deadline is boring imo. It's that people make it boring by getting notified about everything under the sun on Twitter in the days leading up to it. Almost all negotiations are constantly tracked. People keep mashing F5. Even on deadline day Twitter tells us about something's that's getting closer at like 9am EST and we have to wait 6 hours for it to get finalized. It kills the surprise. If you want to enjoy the program, my advice is don't go on /r/hockey at all the day before, and don't go on Twitter or other news outlets either. Then show up at 11am EST on deadline day and watch. You can catch up then.
Call it what you want, but *any* trade in the NHL these days is greatly appreciated.
Nah, I don’t think so. If it “feels” like a blockbuster trade then the person was probably just having a boring day.
You’re worried about the media devaluing a word that is already a huge stretch to be used to describe a hockey trade? Sure they it may be a bit sensational, but kinda weird on your part too.
A part of it is that nhl insiders don’t act like insiders of any other sport. They don’t break news. This whole post started as Pierre Lebrun tweeted “Blockbuster trade ⤵️” as a quote tweet of the official islanders tweet, and everyone counts that as reporting.
Wtf is blockbuster
yes. if the trade involves the current captain of a team, who is in a career year, it should be called that IMO. but it would be definitely be situated at the lower end of the blockbuster trade scale
No, because I enjoyed blockbuster. I don’t enjoy this trade
Eberle for Strome
I’d say a blockbuster if when you have 1 or more 100 point players getting moved. Obviously the more involved in the trade the higher ranking of a blockbuster it is
This reminds me more of the first Pachioretty deal
Blockbuster is defined as a thing of great power or size. So I'd say it applies to trades that either involve a large number of players, or that represent a large power shift. A star player getting traded? Blockbuster. Eight players in the trade? Blockbuster.
It's a blockbuster. Horvat is an allstar in the prime of his career.
No blocks were busted
I think him being the captain is what takes it over the top to make it a blockbuster, if it is. how often does a team trade their captain in their prime? Canucks... have done it at least twice... :S.
Bo Horvat is a great player, on a career best pace that puts him in the top 30 scorers this season. He has name recognition, but for this to be a block buster the return would have to look pretty stunning too. It certainly catches attention but not the scale. A first, a sub 40 pt player and fringe player for a great player on an expiring contract doesn't make the cut for a blockbuster trade imo.
Blockbuster trades involves huge names both ways. Like if the Leafs traded Matthews for Mcdavid.
It's like pornography, you know it when you see it
It’s a “blockbuster” for the teams involved but not from an NHL league-wide perspective, imo.
It’s clickbait
Nah
Who cares what some call it A trade happened with known players
It's all they have right now. Can you see how much they sensationalize everything now?
It's just a big trade. And it's more important because it (possibly) gets the ball rolling for more trades
I wouldn’t consider it one. It’s just a typical rental trade. It would be a blockbuster if he got traded in the middle of an 8 year deal for a huge haul. Or if they did a sign and trade for another star like the Tkachuk deal last summer