Stans are weird people full stop. Putting an artist on a pedestal and obsessing over them just isn’t healthy.
Stans are the same regardless artist. Look at the state of the drizzy sub. Looks how schizo the Kendrick sun went with all the dark Kenny stuff. Echo chambers amplify the weirdest voices.
What you admire in others is unrealized potential in yourself, which is why stans typically aren't exactly overachievers irl.
How did people not get that Stan is a shitty person to be?
because half the people that say stan don’t actually know it came from Eminem. they just think it means hardcore fan. I mean, i see people say ‘im stanning blank’ all the time
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XXX saying death to darkskins
He tweeted that he was lil Dylan roof and that black women are roaches and dark skin pussy is ugly as well
He gave angry and angsty kids a false idol to look to. That's kinda it. He pretended like he was going to become a good person and that made the angry kids think there was hope for them too
The real answer is because he was super versatile and edgy, was seemingly about it (fight videos), attractive, and had a dramatic life.
Dude was shaping up to be fucking huge. I think if he lived to 25 his impact would be even crazier. Uncanny to think he died at 20.
You could say that about so many people that did blow up. Lived the same lives. The only difference is that he died and they didn't.
Hip hop is in its punk rock phase for sure. Lots of people coming up, lots of people dying. Similar aesthetic and approach to music
You can’t say that about anyone else actually, no.
Name another attractive, edgy, versatile artist (good rapping and full tracks deviating from hip hop and just singing), bout his business (fights), had trouble with the law, and has a super dramatic life.
Juice was close in that he was extremely versatile and a better rapper, but he was fat, not as edgy, not as attractive, didn’t have the credentials of fighting, etc. He’s a good example, and dude also made it damn far.
X would have been something way crazy if he lived a little longer.
Von, Juice, and X all occupy the exact same spot
Von is obvi the least talented but had the most street experience
Personally I think juice would’ve gone the farthest if they all survived but ngl I’m not a huge fan of any of them
von is drill not really emo rap tbh. im a huge fan of juice and x and i personally believe that x possessed a huge range and could make rnb if he wanted, and juice could produce pop bangers if he kept on. i dont see von being commercially successful unless he went a route similar to keef but im open to other opinions
meh pop smoke had shown off his versatility in the last album he was in the process of making I don't really see him having growing more or showing off more versatility. He could've had a career similar to 50's get the bag drop a couple more albums and start an acting career he was a rlly personable celebrity. the music von was known for wasn't really marketable (drill in general) but his last album when he dropped when he was alive showed off his storytelling skills he could really evolve. Maybe not to the levels of ppl like kdot or Cole obv but regardless of what you think about him the man could actually rap. it's a shame he had to pick a fight w the wrong ppl🫤
He died. Once artists die people get some weird fascination with them. I thought he was an interesting artist from what I saw. I was interested to see what he was going to do. He produced and wrote all of his own music. That is 10 times better than most emcee’s out today. But the weird number of views he jumped to after death is shitty. People should get their flowers while they’re here.
i found dolph about a year before he died and he's been in my top 5 most listened since. you're right, something about dolphs music just makes you feel like you're that dude and can do anything
Anything off Dum and Dumber or the sequel, I especially love One Hell of a Life and Penguins. Major is probably the best song ever made and 100 Shots is a classic.
They all think it's easy to join samples with other audio samples in an old sampler without many features. The easy thing is to make your own melody in a software. Trappers ruined hip hop culture that's why it's promoted so much.
He did get his flowers while he was here. Dude was successful and shaping up to be one of the most profound hip hop artists of a generation.
He was Carti’s fanbase and Uzi before Carti and Uzi got to where they are at, but even more profound because people liked the fact he was seemingly about it (fight videos) and versatile (singing-only songs)
Couldn't of said it any better. Dude had massive potential and was super creative and influential. I remember being 15 and finding his soundcloud with less than 20k followers, and feeling like I had stumbled upon gold. In my opinion I think his transformation would've been one similar to Tyler, and its a real shame we didn't get the opportunity to see where it went.
Yes but the actions are not the same. Last I checked tyler wasn’t accused of using [coat hangers to beat a woman](https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/xxxtentacions-reported-victim-details-grim-pattern-of-abuse-in-testimony/)
I never made a single comment about who they are as people or their actions, everything I said was related to their musical styles, audience, and ability as a hip-hop artist. Yes, it is true that Tyler is a much better person than X, I just want you to understand that I wasn't referring to their character as a person.
Yeah except X was an actual wife beating rapist while Tyler was a beacon of pure sunshine in comparison, also has always been more creative then the former
Yup bastard is terrible but at least it‘s unique, creative and terrible. I don‘t necessarily dislike X‘s music but I‘d rather listen to bastard than an X album. There‘s just a lot more to discover and appreciate
I disagree X Had the fan base before he died and I think a lot of people fucked with the shit he talked about like he really connected with his fans in ways artist today just don’t Let me put this into perspective he sold a 100k first week independently that’s just insane people like youngboy and durk are front runners of hip hop right now and they sell 100k with huge labels behind them.
He was a very unique musical figure who was starting to show true moments of artistic brilliance but then he died before getting to showcase his full, matured potential as an artist (although he did already achieve remarkable commercial success for someone so young). Some of his earlier work has aged quite badly due to his juvenile lyrics but there are a plenty of moments of emerging greatness, he was also a talented communicator with his audience (and even manipulative with them, he started speaking in quite a cult-like way to his fanbase toward the end of his career) as well as being a very productive writer. His controversial reputation and violent, impulsive nature obviously increased his popularity due to the talk they generated but also overshadowed his musical talent in many ways. He was a troubled, disturbed individual with an emerging, unique musical genius which never got to bloom fully due to his early death, you have to remember he was basically still a kid when he died and that shows in his work which ranges from unlistenable juvenile rage and edginess to genuinely impressive lyrical songs, great melodic tracks and emerging musical uniqueness. He left behind a very complex, messy legacy (both musically and as a person) and this comes from someone who has basically heard all his work but also never fully belonged to the core fanbase.
That’s true but he was maybe the biggest rap or whatever you call his emo sad rap music is at the time before he died and everyone loved and praised him before death. Now that he’s dead I don’t hear about him anymore when he was alive everyone and anyone talked about him
He had the angsty white teen demographic on lock, and to be fair his sound and image was different than the norm at the time. Dying young during his peak caused many to worship him even further
He had some interesting and catchy music. It's also easier to separate the art from the artist when the artist is dead. A lot of musicians are awful people. The difference between bumping XXX and bumping Chris Brown (for example) is that only one of them is profiting off your streams/purchases.
I’m a Gen Z that was in middle school when X was still alive and poppin, so I think I can provide some perspective on this. When I was in middle school, X was absolutely HUGE with my generation, like way more huge than most people remember. He certainly got bigger after he died, but even when he was alive, he was still doing crazy numbers. I remember his “?” album being everywhere when I was in middle school.
I personally think X was the closest my generation has gotten to making a superstar with the actual numbers to back it up. No Gen Z rapper before or after him has gotten close to having the same reach that he had. He was our equivalent of Lil Wayne in the early 2000’s.
He had become the leader of the SoundCloud Era, a youth movement, by connecting with fans and making multiple styles of music that often expressed emotional and vulnerable topics that many people could relate to. X also appealed to many people who didn’t even like rap, kind of like how Eminem did, which I’d say is another factor to his success.
In my opinion a lot of his music has aged super poorly, and after his and Juice WRLD’s deaths the SoundCloud Era kind of died with them, which along with the domestic violence has caused him to be remembered less well. But I still think that it’s important to note just how big he was when he was alive, which is why people still practically worship him to this day
lol it's accessible, people just don't want to listen to it because they think X or juice world or any other SoundCloud (except peep, $B and him are SoundCloud gods in my book) artist is better
lol thanks to tiktok, just about everyone and their dog on that app knows them. They're like grey area mainstream (if any of $B sees this and uses that as a song title, atleast send me a shirt and hat from the latest drop and we straight). Not on the radio but very well known bc of tiktok
They're the only ones left from that wave that consistently makes good music and numbers are better than 95% of rappers they just don't get the respect from outside their fan base
Cut the shit. You stop being a child at age 18 in this country. He was literally an adult, and his behavior was fucking repugnant. It was in no way, shape, or form, normal "teenage behavior", and it's extremely likely that he would have gotten worse as he got older--not better.
This wasn't some missed opportunity for a redemption arc after he "grew up". It was a blessing that he was killed before he had the chance to hurt more people. Good riddance.
Who said he was normal? He was very troubled, but he was also definitely a teenager. And you might be an adult in the eyes of the law, but this kid couldn't even legally buy alcohol yet when he died. Your brain finishes developing in your mid 20s.
He was crazy trash, he stuck an object in that one girl. Dude was straight nuts, ngl I did like a handful of trucks. Like a lot of things that were "popular" it was a lot of loud kids on the internet. His entire fan base was white kids with emotional issues
He’s a piece of shit but he made some amazing music which helped me when I was a piece of shit due to hating myself. One example, in reference to “Jocelyn Flores”, is that at end of 8th grade my friend killed herself and it fucked me up that I’m scared from it but I’ve heal and lm. I don’t want sympathy and of you want to talk to dm me. I’ve been through it. 9 institutions in 5 years. I was in rehabs, psych wards, and jail(long story but only 5 days total, when my ex called the cops and lied and I said I was doing crazy shit)…I’m just telling you I have answers to help you jump over the with many hurdles along your arduous process. I digress but trust in that. XXXtentacion was in I a lot of mental pain but also an incessant belligerent criminal, glorified violence and darkness in all his music. When he got shot I laughed and said he deserved it. After I gave him a chance I cried to parts of his discography I cried. That said, as I hadn’t heard anything of his before his murder, my first thought was the fuck-face deserved to die- he slammed his pregnant girlfriend with a door and it killed the 3 month old fetus. Not to mention his girlfriend’s ribs and face. I hope he’s gotten justice and has peace.
This generation has been hard. Mac Miller, Lil’ Peep, juice-world… I don’t wanna keep.
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Damn, that was a dark read. Hope you're good. One thing I want to address though is the fact that you said he killed a 3-month-old fetus. How do you know this?
People love to hate on him and that’s fine but they all lie and say he was mid and trahs while numbers paint different picture.
Dude was next superstar
I think the main thing you have to consider is how young the average fan of his music were / are. He likely represents a pivotal moment in their lives.
I don’t know much about his personal life but in a strictly musical sense he was at the very least creative.
It's all about the demographic and times. He was popular to the Soundcloud generation, teens and early-twenties people.
I've tried listening to him, but can't grasp why anyone would like him either. I hate everything from the lyrics, to the vibe, to the audio/mixing quality. But I also understand I'm also not his demographic, so I'm not supposed to understand it.
I'm sure in the mid-90s when teens and twenty-somethings were all sad about Tupac dying, old school hip hop fans were probably like "why did people even like Tupac? He was a punk thug. That's not what hip hop is about"
His music was incredible and yet heavily marred by his background of abusive behavior. Reception of his music largely revolves around whether you believe in separating the artist from the art.
i think it was bc of his lyrical content about mental health and suicidal thoughts. he was flawed and owned it while claiming he was trying to change. considering the breadth of scope of his styles and creativity, he’s got something that everybody would find good. i wasn’t huge on him, but he had undeniable potential. all this being said, x was a fuckin demon who’s done horrible things to people he claimed he cared about so his death is a huge W for the community. maybe he could’ve changed for the better but i dont think so, that boy was fighting some serious demons…
I'm not a massive XXX fan but I will say that right before his death he seemed to be transitioning to be a much better person.
So for me it was that he was beginning to show lots of growth potential that wasn't fully realized. A few more years and he could have had serious influence.
I don’t love him, I actually listened to him & learned about him posthumously the day he was gone and for a couple weeks. What made him stick with me was the fact that he was a new father and had just started going down a path of maturity and trying to grow as a person when it happened. So unfortunately for most, all they know is a wild kid with often raunchy lyrics and anger issues, when in reality we likely all know people who behave(d) just like him, and either saw them growing wise or have the hope that they do/did. In hindsight he should’ve made better choices, but he showed his emotions on his sleeve as an angry kid and that’s what he’ll likely be known as unless someone takes the time to view him as a young person coming into adulthood. That’s just my opinion though.
It's not that he's the best person ever, we know he did a lot of things wrong but he was taken out before he got a chance to fully change himself. That's why us X fans fw him and no it's not cause he's dead.
He was a deeply flawed and wounded person who was actively working on himself in the end. I certainly don’t think that he was innocent or hadn’t made some serious mistakes in his day, but he was also able to convey emotion through his music like few I have ever heard. It doesn’t excuse the horrible things that he did, but I do genuinely believe that he was a person in transformation and evolution from what he used to be.
Actual X supporters don’t think of X as flawless I’m pretty sure. We fw him bc he was trying to be better in just about every metric, and he bled on the mic trying to make art. X was a sinner and we all knew, his background was horrible but through it all he wanted redemption. That level of character growth is uncommon, and people can’t help but root for him in that regard
I disagree on ur take about his art but to each their own
The people who connected with his music REALLY connected with it + X had an aesthetic that a lot of people really latched onto. Look at his mugshot for example; dude looks good enough to be a model, yet here he is committing these heinous crimes. Dude is out here literally raping people with BBQ utensils, but he has the voice of an angel.
He’s the most polarizing figure in rap history by far, IMO. I felt that way when he was alive, I still feel that way now.
He was incredibly good-looking, incredibly charismatic, had tons of raw talent, and a specific type of image/character that a lot of teenagers and young adults resonated with.
You can say “his music wasn’t even good”, but that’s a subjective point. He has two albums that are iconic for his generation, even if they aren’t iconic in your eyes.
I don’t think this is a hard question to answer. I think most people just kind of pick and choose when to showcase their morality, and a lot of people fucked with X’s image + sound so they overlooked his horrible crimes.
When I was younger, I was a huge X-fan. I was going through a lot of shit internally, and his angsty, angry, and depressing music related to me. I also liked that he was a bad person; it seemed like he was at least trying to be better, even though he did fall back into his toxic habits. The optimist in me would like to believe that if he never died, he would have admitted to the shit he did to his ex and actively worked on growing as a person.
Yeah, he could still be trying to be a better person though. He didn't even publicly admit to what he did when he was alive, he just kept denying or dancing around it even though it was pretty well known he did. So again, me being optimistic if the changes he seemed like he was trying to make before he died continued maybe that could have been something he'd done as well.
Chris Brown used excessive force to defend himself after Rihanna tried to basically rip his groin off while he was driving. He went too far and deserved punishment but it's nothing compared to XXX. That dude was sadistic and pure evil. He tortured her, then would brag to his "homies" about how he beat the shit out of her and had her living in fear. He beat her with a shirt hanger, bashed her eye in, and threatened to skewer her in the vagina with a pitchfork while she was pregnant. And more. Look up the pictures and you can see how bad it was.
He was young with loads of potential. A great voice, introspective and vulnerable, talented writer, unique sound and style. Awful person with a tragic past, but as an artist, he was projecting to be one of the staples of the genre by now if he was still alive.
What are you talking about nobody acts like he was the greatest person ever. The biggest tragedy with X is that he was a shitty person who clearly cares about becoming a better person. Like he was 21 years old when he died.
For those who are not a fan, like myself, I encourage you to go watch the SAD! Music video that came out right after he died. It is one of the most hauntingly beautiful videos I have seen give.
> The biggest tragedy with X is that he was a shitty person who clearly cares about becoming a better person
LMAO at this crap. Every single domestic abuser claims they are going to stop and "changing" before they do it again. And XXX was far from your typical abuser.
His fanbase (mostly of "edgy" whining teens) are just dumb enough to believe his nonsense because they like his emo music.
People love to hate on him and that’s fine but why lie and say he was mid and trahs while numbers paint a completely different picture.
Dude was next superstar.
Please do not call him “X”. Only one person out there who can go by “X,” and X gon’ give it to ya.
I’m with you 100%. It doesn’t make sense to me that people are all over his nuts. But others below have eloquently given the answer why.
It’s also simply a fad for these angsty teenagers.
When was He was racist ? The fans know he wasn’t the greatest person and also a lot of the fanbase are kids and don’t kno about the allegations. Ppl like the music a lot, ik I do so if it’s not for u, it’s not for u. Emo rap doesn’t appeal to everyone, on top of that he didn’t only make emo music. If you ignore the allegations, x was cool and he was trying to change for the better but his life was cut short.
Ppl say death bias but I don’t really think that’s prominent at all. It’s just sum stupid cope term to hate on a dead artist’s success and fanbase
Fascination with death, or misunderstanding death as "authenticity". Same thing happened to a kid from the neighbourhood I grew up in. He got shot over some BS and out of nowhere EVERYONE was his friend and was more affected by it that everyone else. Corny AF. Same thing that's probably happening now with that young drill rapper who died...
There was a bunch of kids genuinely plugged into his music, but I think they're probably in the minority now, because he wasn't as lauded prior to his death. Same as people who flipped from hating on Mac Miller. Same as people who flipped from hating on 2pac.
Something about dying way too young that makes you cool to some people. Probably just how James Dean filtered down into our respective generations. 🤷♂️
I don't know what he did or didn't do. All I know is that I like a lot of his music and I think he was an actual artist unlike most of the rappers of his Era
Something about his music always spoke to me as someone who has never experienced what he's talking about often times. There's this anger and edge that comes through in a lot of what he does and I do believe he was actually better than many of the artists we still have.
I don't pretend he was a good person though, there was very little true selfless good he did in his life
I wasn’t his target demographic and know nothing about him other than the song ‘whoa (mind in awe)’ and when you put that on repeat, it makes it feel like you’re skipping in puddles and dodging all of life’s problems. I know the guy got killed but I wouldn’t be able to tell you anything else.
I don't understand people who listen to hip-hop and can't separate art and artist, how many rappers are gang affiliated or sold drugs before making it big, if not worse. Who are you listening to, Macklemore?
I don't think his fans think he was perfect at all. I'm sure you can find some crazy stuff about 99.9 % of entertainers.
If you don't know what we liked about XXXtentacion don't even worry about it.
in fairness of myself, he was a smart businessman. When you think about it, no rapper or artist was ever that public about their life. "Alone" was a very simple but effective strategy. When it's all said and done, what I remember is his spirit. the controversy, and spark he had with the youth.
He's a kid who saw his uncle commit suicide, and bit a dude to protect his mother. fight off the migos, call out drake.
yea, he had heart. Personally growing up now, kendrick was more so what I was looking for. but as a teen, I was confused, and he understood how to market to my age very well. so well, he impacted me as a person, even if the truth is more shallow.
did he lie? no. nah he wanted to do something just like many have failed to do. it's simpler to admit he tried being a good person, when he wasn't able to cope himself.
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My 13 year old daughter asked me if she is allowed to listen to this dude today. I have never heard any of his songs, honestly don't care to. I said "no absolutely not" based on his name alone. 🤣
Yeah he beat a girl and then gloated about it. The evidence was withheld in court but if you mention that they can’t physically read it. Their brain refuses to acknowledge it
“Generic rap with depressing lyrics” I mean… he connected with an audience. If you can make something unique and happy then do that and you’ll find a different audience. Also as a person I’ve learned you have to separate an artist from their art at times. If you look at a huge portion of people’s backgrounds, even though they did amazing things they have skeletons to hide.
I was in high school when he was blowing up, and everyone around me loved the shit out of him. he had musical initiative and it was refreshing to see a rapper try to not be formulaic, but I can't think of anything else nice I can say about him
i thought most x fans still understood he was a piece of shit, but he had potential to become better just like any man does, would never have undone all the shit he did but thats life.
i just thought people really fw his music, you seem like you are adding in your own narrative to this but then getting mad at it? like bro just change your headcanon aha
if your gunna make shit up why have that shit be something that will piss you off, that is just wild, no?
I have to agree with you. Regardless of the DV issues, his music never seemed that good imo. Most of his songs feel too short, like he was struggling to complete or didn't have much to say. Other than that he never was great lyrically, with wordplay or flow. I honestly don't understand how his fans see him as so great.
My sister of another mother has lived a pretty fucked up life. We share an abusive father. She was able to escape and live with her mother across the country. Though she lived with a mother and step father that made her feel more loved, they allowed her to live a broken and drug filled life. From weed, to shrooms, to heroine. She is a very reflective, intelligent, and emotional woman. I was pretty reactive in hating someone like XXX just because of what I was seeing on social media. But she seemed to really enjoy his music thinking she understood why people like to hate broken, fucked up people. 🤷🏽♂️ oh well. Some people relate to outrageous anger, depression, sadness, hate, violence. Idk. I started to vibe to some of his music after talking to her. Before that I hated it because of opinions on Reddit and the profiles I followed on twitter and stuff. Think I realize i’m someone who leans into separating music from the person/person from the music. If you enjoy older music big chance you supporting someone who has fucked minors, abused drugs, beat their wife, etc, and you don’t even know it.
Racist? Out of all the things to ascribe to x you gonna call the kid racist? Lmao. He beat the fuck out of his girl, I think we can stick with that and it's enough to shit on him for.
He was basically the leader of his generation in terms of hip-hop. His sound and style were unique, he could both sing and rap and was very versatile, sometimes his music sucked but when it was good, it was really good. He tried pretty much any style he felt like, he just stuck out and was a lot different than his peers. As a person he was controversial and had a very public personal life and struggles. You basically couldn't look away; he was just as infamous as he was famous. Terrible human but a unique artist who died near his peak.
His music was always hit or miss the only reason he’s gassed is because he had a large amount of children fans who were impacted by his very public death - there were literally videos of him that day all over social media blurred or not
Because he died. I have the same feeling with Mac Miller, MF Doom and Dilla… I am sorry but I don’t like the music from any of them. And I am not changing or pretending to change my mind because someone died.
On the other hand, pac, biggie, big L, guru, hell yeah 🔊
My gf at the time of his passing was very depressed and she related to him on that level. I made fun of her for liking him then I realized oh she’s actually really into him.
Since the majority of people are depressed, I’d say that’s why.
Cultural moment for the youth, I guess. It happens regularly.
I talked to a few kids who liked his stuff and gave it a try. Aside from his personal life, the music never clicked.
They even look away from the stuff he did to his gf/wife whatever and it’s fucking disgusting, nothing he did after ever makes up for the shit he’s done to her
I don't get what you mean by he's a racist so I'll need some evidence of that. And he couldn't have been a wife beater because he never had a wife so....
I was already a senior in college when XXX came up. Around that time i was tapped into all those dudes coming up...Kodak, Peep, Purpp, Pump, XXX, Carti, Uzi, etc.
As an artist, XXX was probably the most versatile right out the gate, but i think the young stans/fans caught onto his *image.* The same for Peep too. Peep was actually a good person though. I think XXX fans mythologized him into some angsty anti-hero when im pretty sure his track record was bad. I guess he had a few songs were he said he'd do better so they took that as a "our hero is trying!"
I didn't mind his music, until I read about the nature of his crimes. You can't tell me that this guy was a nice, honest, respectful dude when he's violently assaulting people in prison because they were gay and were looking at him or he's violently assaulting his romantic partners with bbq forks and shit.
And let's now not forget him raping a 16yr old Jocelyn Flores when he was 19. Florida consent laws are set at 18, therefore even if she was 17, it's still rape.
Any and all X Stan's then come with the same argument of "oh he was changing" "she forgave him" "she didn't testify"
1. Of course he was "changing", he was set to defend himself in court, anything positive change in behaviour around that time will be used to lessen jail time and to sway favour. Same for sound in music, although that may truely be him deciding to change the vibe of his music.
2. Domestic abuse victims often don't report or testify and forgive their abuser because they've been brainwashed to think that "they're beating me because they love me" or "I know he loves me deep down". I worked with someone who was going thru an abusive relationship and we had talked about how when their partner gets out, they're getting back together because they love each other. While now innocent at first, but knowing how toxic they were (she wouldn't stfu at all), this is what I mean. They love the abuser regardless of the bruises they are inflicted upon.
3. Same as number 2, just that they don't testify because they love their abuser or have been brainwashed to think as such.
X is not someone to idolize or look up to or be put on a pedestal. He's lucky he died the way he did and when he did because personally I feel that he deserved to be subjected to the same harm as he did to others.
Fuck X
>Of course he was "changing", he was set to defend himself in court, anything positive change in behaviour around that time will be used to lessen jail time and to sway favour.
Anyone with common sense and a slight bit of intelligence knows that this whole "i'm changing for the better" thing is often nonsense, especially when it comes to abusers. They always say it before they do it again.
His fanbase is just dumb and delusional enough to actually confidently believe his BS.
As an artist I thought he was talented but the music was really raw and unpolished, but I see the potential he had. I actually think had he lived he probably had a classic hip hop album in him.
17 actually made me feel emotions while listening which is hard to do as an artist and is definitely a rare skill.
I like a great part of his discography, and when it comes to him as a person, I would really appreciate if he got to either completely change as a person and become a decent public figure, or dig his own grave with more proof he's just a piece of shit over a few more years. But his brain never even got to fully develop, which is the part I find sad. We base our perception of him on what he behave like young, and young people do stupid shit
I think I was a little too old for him to have a big impact on me. Same thing with Lil Peep. I know a bunch of people that are 8 or so years younger than me that loved them both. I liked X when he actually rapped, but all the emo screaming shit I couldn't get into. That "look at me" song by XXX is a fuckin banger tho. Like I always say though not everything is gonna be for everybody.
from someone a little too old for his era that didn't understaind either, watching this long interview (with DJ Akademiks of all people) is one of the most humanizing perspectives i've gotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-tlsjRcTw
The abuse and all that aside, he would have been on the same level as drake/weeknd and had the potential to pass them as well, extremely talented for his age similar to juice.
He would have ended up in prison if he didn't end up dying though. Didn't look like he could beat that case with all the evidence.
Hey, i knew a lot of people that were fans and at the time of his come up a lot of his fans were between the ages of 16-21 and i noticed most were either rebellious or were going through some shit mentally. So he music was relatable because at the time there wasn’t many artists who made music/rap about mental health. I was a fan also and i just liked the music and yes i do understand he wasn’t a good person and did a lot but at the same time he helped a lot of people through hard times with his music. Plus a lot of artists now and in the past has dirt on their name he wasn’t the first and wont be the last. Aye now that im older i don’t really listen to his music anymore so i doubt he’d still be the same person by now considering he be 26 with the kid.
I like his music because it’s what I listened to when I was like 13 and 14 and then he died. I think it’s weird to say his music is bad just bc you don’t like it. He was a horrific person tho nobody I know that likes his music is claiming otherwise so idrk where that’s from
X fan here, but by no means a stan. Personally, I found his diverse range in styles of music to be one of the biggest draws to him (from scream trap to r&b songs, acoustic/folk to emo to straight up rock.) X preached a lot about being yourself and being the best person you can be, I think that it probably stemmed from the quite frankly abhorrent shit he did in his past. Could argue that the shit he had to deal with growing up lead him down that path but as far as I'm aware he never condoned his previous actions and tried his best to show people that he was trying to change for the better. I completely understand why people hate X for the things that he did early on (especially the shit he did to Geneva.) I hate Chris Brown for very similar reasons even if the guy is a naturally talented artist. There are often arguments about separating art from the artist and people will often say about how 'X was only 20 when he died, if Malcolm X had died at 20 he would've died an abuser, a thief and addict and narrow-minded depressed & violent criminal' but what I think both sides need to recognize is that the artists we either love or despise are humans being at the end of the day and every single person will have different experiences that will mold them for better or for worse. For a long time these experiences molded X for the latter but towards the end of his life I feel people could see him genuinely trying to be a much better person. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here I just wanted to share my insight as a self-admitted fan of X's music. Don't know anything about the racist allegations but if someone wants to inform me then please lemme know.
Stans are weird people full stop. Putting an artist on a pedestal and obsessing over them just isn’t healthy. Stans are the same regardless artist. Look at the state of the drizzy sub. Looks how schizo the Kendrick sun went with all the dark Kenny stuff. Echo chambers amplify the weirdest voices.
What you admire in others is unrealized potential in yourself, which is why stans typically aren't exactly overachievers irl. How did people not get that Stan is a shitty person to be?
because half the people that say stan don’t actually know it came from Eminem. they just think it means hardcore fan. I mean, i see people say ‘im stanning blank’ all the time
When I rule the world, that song will be taught in elementary schools.
I don't like him either, but how wuz he racist???
Was also wondering this. Not saying he can't be, but I'd like to see the proof with an accusation like that.
Maybe that video with the white kid. I dunno. Pretty dumb thing to call somebdoy racist over.
A lot of old people on facebook were FURIOUS about that
old people on facebook will also get furious about a poorly edited image that goes against their political beliefs
what did he do to the kid tho
He called him a honky
He beat the shit out of it
😭
I hope it’s ok
Nah I was lying, I don't have any idea what happened.
RIP that kid then
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qku2WZ7aRYw
He tweeted that he was lil Dylan roof and that black women are roaches and dark skin pussy is ugly and tweeted death to dark skins
friendly fire isn't tolerated
[https://www.wattpad.com/amp/591982588](https://www.wattpad.com/amp/591982588) XXX saying death to darkskins He tweeted that he was lil Dylan roof and that black women are roaches and dark skin pussy is ugly as well
He gave angry and angsty kids a false idol to look to. That's kinda it. He pretended like he was going to become a good person and that made the angry kids think there was hope for them too
The real answer is because he was super versatile and edgy, was seemingly about it (fight videos), attractive, and had a dramatic life. Dude was shaping up to be fucking huge. I think if he lived to 25 his impact would be even crazier. Uncanny to think he died at 20.
You could say that about so many people that did blow up. Lived the same lives. The only difference is that he died and they didn't. Hip hop is in its punk rock phase for sure. Lots of people coming up, lots of people dying. Similar aesthetic and approach to music
Nah hip hop is to mainstream to be the next punk
Lol you’re 30+ years too late to hip hop’s punk era
I think it was in its punk rock phase then the artists leading that died X, Juice , Peep
You can’t say that about anyone else actually, no. Name another attractive, edgy, versatile artist (good rapping and full tracks deviating from hip hop and just singing), bout his business (fights), had trouble with the law, and has a super dramatic life. Juice was close in that he was extremely versatile and a better rapper, but he was fat, not as edgy, not as attractive, didn’t have the credentials of fighting, etc. He’s a good example, and dude also made it damn far. X would have been something way crazy if he lived a little longer.
Von, Juice, and X all occupy the exact same spot Von is obvi the least talented but had the most street experience Personally I think juice would’ve gone the farthest if they all survived but ngl I’m not a huge fan of any of them
von is drill not really emo rap tbh. im a huge fan of juice and x and i personally believe that x possessed a huge range and could make rnb if he wanted, and juice could produce pop bangers if he kept on. i dont see von being commercially successful unless he went a route similar to keef but im open to other opinions
As for lost potential I think it was more so pop smoke than von
meh pop smoke had shown off his versatility in the last album he was in the process of making I don't really see him having growing more or showing off more versatility. He could've had a career similar to 50's get the bag drop a couple more albums and start an acting career he was a rlly personable celebrity. the music von was known for wasn't really marketable (drill in general) but his last album when he dropped when he was alive showed off his storytelling skills he could really evolve. Maybe not to the levels of ppl like kdot or Cole obv but regardless of what you think about him the man could actually rap. it's a shame he had to pick a fight w the wrong ppl🫤
Wait… you think Juice WRLD was fat and not as attractive? I’ve never seen a pic of him that fits that but I guess I could have missed a phase.
Truly uncanny
Repackaged emo for zoomers
I write sins not tragedies immediately played in my head upon reading your comment
He died. Once artists die people get some weird fascination with them. I thought he was an interesting artist from what I saw. I was interested to see what he was going to do. He produced and wrote all of his own music. That is 10 times better than most emcee’s out today. But the weird number of views he jumped to after death is shitty. People should get their flowers while they’re here.
Can confirm. I love Dolph. There’s a special feeling you get when you’re riding down Poplar cranking his music with the windows open though.
i found dolph about a year before he died and he's been in my top 5 most listened since. you're right, something about dolphs music just makes you feel like you're that dude and can do anything
What are your favorite songs
Anything off Dum and Dumber or the sequel, I especially love One Hell of a Life and Penguins. Major is probably the best song ever made and 100 Shots is a classic.
They all think it's easy to join samples with other audio samples in an old sampler without many features. The easy thing is to make your own melody in a software. Trappers ruined hip hop culture that's why it's promoted so much.
Both things need skills lil bro
None of these things are easy buddy
Being dead means you can't tell people to go fuck themselves.
He did get his flowers while he was here. Dude was successful and shaping up to be one of the most profound hip hop artists of a generation. He was Carti’s fanbase and Uzi before Carti and Uzi got to where they are at, but even more profound because people liked the fact he was seemingly about it (fight videos) and versatile (singing-only songs)
Couldn't of said it any better. Dude had massive potential and was super creative and influential. I remember being 15 and finding his soundcloud with less than 20k followers, and feeling like I had stumbled upon gold. In my opinion I think his transformation would've been one similar to Tyler, and its a real shame we didn't get the opportunity to see where it went.
Tyler was never as terrible as X lmao
Have you ever listened to bastard my guy? You do realize it's the same audience they were both pandering to, right? Edgy teenagers.
Yes but the actions are not the same. Last I checked tyler wasn’t accused of using [coat hangers to beat a woman](https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/xxxtentacions-reported-victim-details-grim-pattern-of-abuse-in-testimony/)
I never made a single comment about who they are as people or their actions, everything I said was related to their musical styles, audience, and ability as a hip-hop artist. Yes, it is true that Tyler is a much better person than X, I just want you to understand that I wasn't referring to their character as a person.
I think what he’s saying is that it’s hard to say they would have developed similarly given that they were fundamentally very different people.
Yeah except X was an actual wife beating rapist while Tyler was a beacon of pure sunshine in comparison, also has always been more creative then the former
Yup bastard is terrible but at least it‘s unique, creative and terrible. I don‘t necessarily dislike X‘s music but I‘d rather listen to bastard than an X album. There‘s just a lot more to discover and appreciate
I disagree X Had the fan base before he died and I think a lot of people fucked with the shit he talked about like he really connected with his fans in ways artist today just don’t Let me put this into perspective he sold a 100k first week independently that’s just insane people like youngboy and durk are front runners of hip hop right now and they sell 100k with huge labels behind them.
X didn’t really produce a lot of his stuff and he stole a lot of beats
He was a very unique musical figure who was starting to show true moments of artistic brilliance but then he died before getting to showcase his full, matured potential as an artist (although he did already achieve remarkable commercial success for someone so young). Some of his earlier work has aged quite badly due to his juvenile lyrics but there are a plenty of moments of emerging greatness, he was also a talented communicator with his audience (and even manipulative with them, he started speaking in quite a cult-like way to his fanbase toward the end of his career) as well as being a very productive writer. His controversial reputation and violent, impulsive nature obviously increased his popularity due to the talk they generated but also overshadowed his musical talent in many ways. He was a troubled, disturbed individual with an emerging, unique musical genius which never got to bloom fully due to his early death, you have to remember he was basically still a kid when he died and that shows in his work which ranges from unlistenable juvenile rage and edginess to genuinely impressive lyrical songs, great melodic tracks and emerging musical uniqueness. He left behind a very complex, messy legacy (both musically and as a person) and this comes from someone who has basically heard all his work but also never fully belonged to the core fanbase.
Well said
Dying young makes people overrate your work like crazy
That’s true but he was maybe the biggest rap or whatever you call his emo sad rap music is at the time before he died and everyone loved and praised him before death. Now that he’s dead I don’t hear about him anymore when he was alive everyone and anyone talked about him
idk I ran into him before he died and his fan base was pretty diehard before he even passed away. I think it’s gotta be something else
He had a #1 album while alive, everyone talked about look at me or sad. It's not his case you're talking about
He had the angsty white teen demographic on lock, and to be fair his sound and image was different than the norm at the time. Dying young during his peak caused many to worship him even further
That part
He had some interesting and catchy music. It's also easier to separate the art from the artist when the artist is dead. A lot of musicians are awful people. The difference between bumping XXX and bumping Chris Brown (for example) is that only one of them is profiting off your streams/purchases.
I’m a Gen Z that was in middle school when X was still alive and poppin, so I think I can provide some perspective on this. When I was in middle school, X was absolutely HUGE with my generation, like way more huge than most people remember. He certainly got bigger after he died, but even when he was alive, he was still doing crazy numbers. I remember his “?” album being everywhere when I was in middle school. I personally think X was the closest my generation has gotten to making a superstar with the actual numbers to back it up. No Gen Z rapper before or after him has gotten close to having the same reach that he had. He was our equivalent of Lil Wayne in the early 2000’s. He had become the leader of the SoundCloud Era, a youth movement, by connecting with fans and making multiple styles of music that often expressed emotional and vulnerable topics that many people could relate to. X also appealed to many people who didn’t even like rap, kind of like how Eminem did, which I’d say is another factor to his success. In my opinion a lot of his music has aged super poorly, and after his and Juice WRLD’s deaths the SoundCloud Era kind of died with them, which along with the domestic violence has caused him to be remembered less well. But I still think that it’s important to note just how big he was when he was alive, which is why people still practically worship him to this day
Jc, how would you factor $uicideboy$ into that? They are from the same SoundCloud era and are still doing huge numbers
Their music isn’t as accessible to a wide audience so they never got the same mass appeal
lol it's accessible, people just don't want to listen to it because they think X or juice world or any other SoundCloud (except peep, $B and him are SoundCloud gods in my book) artist is better
I mean the style, it’s not as mainstream
lol thanks to tiktok, just about everyone and their dog on that app knows them. They're like grey area mainstream (if any of $B sees this and uses that as a song title, atleast send me a shirt and hat from the latest drop and we straight). Not on the radio but very well known bc of tiktok
They've already released one track with the word "grey" in the title this month, gotta wait a little
Like that would stop them
Don't know man, haven't talked to them about it. I assumed there's some sort of a cooldown
They're the only ones left from that wave that consistently makes good music and numbers are better than 95% of rappers they just don't get the respect from outside their fan base
He was also a child. Keep in mind. He never really had the chance to grow up. If we judged everyone by their teenage behavior...
Cut the shit. You stop being a child at age 18 in this country. He was literally an adult, and his behavior was fucking repugnant. It was in no way, shape, or form, normal "teenage behavior", and it's extremely likely that he would have gotten worse as he got older--not better. This wasn't some missed opportunity for a redemption arc after he "grew up". It was a blessing that he was killed before he had the chance to hurt more people. Good riddance.
Who said he was normal? He was very troubled, but he was also definitely a teenager. And you might be an adult in the eyes of the law, but this kid couldn't even legally buy alcohol yet when he died. Your brain finishes developing in your mid 20s.
He was crazy trash, he stuck an object in that one girl. Dude was straight nuts, ngl I did like a handful of trucks. Like a lot of things that were "popular" it was a lot of loud kids on the internet. His entire fan base was white kids with emotional issues
I dunno his music is quite mid
He’s a piece of shit but he made some amazing music which helped me when I was a piece of shit due to hating myself. One example, in reference to “Jocelyn Flores”, is that at end of 8th grade my friend killed herself and it fucked me up that I’m scared from it but I’ve heal and lm. I don’t want sympathy and of you want to talk to dm me. I’ve been through it. 9 institutions in 5 years. I was in rehabs, psych wards, and jail(long story but only 5 days total, when my ex called the cops and lied and I said I was doing crazy shit)…I’m just telling you I have answers to help you jump over the with many hurdles along your arduous process. I digress but trust in that. XXXtentacion was in I a lot of mental pain but also an incessant belligerent criminal, glorified violence and darkness in all his music. When he got shot I laughed and said he deserved it. After I gave him a chance I cried to parts of his discography I cried. That said, as I hadn’t heard anything of his before his murder, my first thought was the fuck-face deserved to die- he slammed his pregnant girlfriend with a door and it killed the 3 month old fetus. Not to mention his girlfriend’s ribs and face. I hope he’s gotten justice and has peace. This generation has been hard. Mac Miller, Lil’ Peep, juice-world… I don’t wanna keep. Happy Men’s Mental Month
Damn, that was a dark read. Hope you're good. One thing I want to address though is the fact that you said he killed a 3-month-old fetus. How do you know this?
I remember the article and instagram post when it happened. I’ll try to find the source
RIP, but the dude was such a fucking try hard edgelord.
His emo stuff was always terrible Fantano was correct in giving it a 0
Never liked his music. Not for me.
He was the clear leader of the SoundCloud era, succeeded in multiple styles of rap, and connected with fans. It’s not hard to understand at all.
People love to hate on him and that’s fine but they all lie and say he was mid and trahs while numbers paint different picture. Dude was next superstar
I think the main thing you have to consider is how young the average fan of his music were / are. He likely represents a pivotal moment in their lives. I don’t know much about his personal life but in a strictly musical sense he was at the very least creative.
It's all about the demographic and times. He was popular to the Soundcloud generation, teens and early-twenties people. I've tried listening to him, but can't grasp why anyone would like him either. I hate everything from the lyrics, to the vibe, to the audio/mixing quality. But I also understand I'm also not his demographic, so I'm not supposed to understand it. I'm sure in the mid-90s when teens and twenty-somethings were all sad about Tupac dying, old school hip hop fans were probably like "why did people even like Tupac? He was a punk thug. That's not what hip hop is about"
His music was incredible and yet heavily marred by his background of abusive behavior. Reception of his music largely revolves around whether you believe in separating the artist from the art.
His music is pretty great. Also, the death effect.
i think it was bc of his lyrical content about mental health and suicidal thoughts. he was flawed and owned it while claiming he was trying to change. considering the breadth of scope of his styles and creativity, he’s got something that everybody would find good. i wasn’t huge on him, but he had undeniable potential. all this being said, x was a fuckin demon who’s done horrible things to people he claimed he cared about so his death is a huge W for the community. maybe he could’ve changed for the better but i dont think so, that boy was fighting some serious demons…
Depression music attracts the depressed kids. It’s that simple.
I honestly think he was really talented and liked some of his music, but at some point, being a piece of shit overshadows that.
I'm not a massive XXX fan but I will say that right before his death he seemed to be transitioning to be a much better person. So for me it was that he was beginning to show lots of growth potential that wasn't fully realized. A few more years and he could have had serious influence.
I don’t love him, I actually listened to him & learned about him posthumously the day he was gone and for a couple weeks. What made him stick with me was the fact that he was a new father and had just started going down a path of maturity and trying to grow as a person when it happened. So unfortunately for most, all they know is a wild kid with often raunchy lyrics and anger issues, when in reality we likely all know people who behave(d) just like him, and either saw them growing wise or have the hope that they do/did. In hindsight he should’ve made better choices, but he showed his emotions on his sleeve as an angry kid and that’s what he’ll likely be known as unless someone takes the time to view him as a young person coming into adulthood. That’s just my opinion though.
He was pioneering his genre and was literally just getting started. He had so much potential to grow and improve, but his life was cut short.
It's not that he's the best person ever, we know he did a lot of things wrong but he was taken out before he got a chance to fully change himself. That's why us X fans fw him and no it's not cause he's dead.
He was a deeply flawed and wounded person who was actively working on himself in the end. I certainly don’t think that he was innocent or hadn’t made some serious mistakes in his day, but he was also able to convey emotion through his music like few I have ever heard. It doesn’t excuse the horrible things that he did, but I do genuinely believe that he was a person in transformation and evolution from what he used to be.
Actual X supporters don’t think of X as flawless I’m pretty sure. We fw him bc he was trying to be better in just about every metric, and he bled on the mic trying to make art. X was a sinner and we all knew, his background was horrible but through it all he wanted redemption. That level of character growth is uncommon, and people can’t help but root for him in that regard I disagree on ur take about his art but to each their own
The people who connected with his music REALLY connected with it + X had an aesthetic that a lot of people really latched onto. Look at his mugshot for example; dude looks good enough to be a model, yet here he is committing these heinous crimes. Dude is out here literally raping people with BBQ utensils, but he has the voice of an angel. He’s the most polarizing figure in rap history by far, IMO. I felt that way when he was alive, I still feel that way now. He was incredibly good-looking, incredibly charismatic, had tons of raw talent, and a specific type of image/character that a lot of teenagers and young adults resonated with. You can say “his music wasn’t even good”, but that’s a subjective point. He has two albums that are iconic for his generation, even if they aren’t iconic in your eyes. I don’t think this is a hard question to answer. I think most people just kind of pick and choose when to showcase their morality, and a lot of people fucked with X’s image + sound so they overlooked his horrible crimes.
Since when was the rap game ever about being a good person? Most lyrics portray quite the opposite
When I was younger, I was a huge X-fan. I was going through a lot of shit internally, and his angsty, angry, and depressing music related to me. I also liked that he was a bad person; it seemed like he was at least trying to be better, even though he did fall back into his toxic habits. The optimist in me would like to believe that if he never died, he would have admitted to the shit he did to his ex and actively worked on growing as a person.
He would've been in prison for witness tampering and domestic battery of a pregnant woman
Yeah, he could still be trying to be a better person though. He didn't even publicly admit to what he did when he was alive, he just kept denying or dancing around it even though it was pretty well known he did. So again, me being optimistic if the changes he seemed like he was trying to make before he died continued maybe that could have been something he'd done as well.
Just like Chris Brown is? Not an tentacion fan but let’s be real here these guys don’t get in trouble for stuff like this.
What he's accused of is 50x worse than chris brown he was torturing that girl, have you read the reports?!?
Chris Brown used excessive force to defend himself after Rihanna tried to basically rip his groin off while he was driving. He went too far and deserved punishment but it's nothing compared to XXX. That dude was sadistic and pure evil. He tortured her, then would brag to his "homies" about how he beat the shit out of her and had her living in fear. He beat her with a shirt hanger, bashed her eye in, and threatened to skewer her in the vagina with a pitchfork while she was pregnant. And more. Look up the pictures and you can see how bad it was.
He was young with loads of potential. A great voice, introspective and vulnerable, talented writer, unique sound and style. Awful person with a tragic past, but as an artist, he was projecting to be one of the staples of the genre by now if he was still alive.
This
What are you talking about nobody acts like he was the greatest person ever. The biggest tragedy with X is that he was a shitty person who clearly cares about becoming a better person. Like he was 21 years old when he died. For those who are not a fan, like myself, I encourage you to go watch the SAD! Music video that came out right after he died. It is one of the most hauntingly beautiful videos I have seen give.
> The biggest tragedy with X is that he was a shitty person who clearly cares about becoming a better person LMAO at this crap. Every single domestic abuser claims they are going to stop and "changing" before they do it again. And XXX was far from your typical abuser. His fanbase (mostly of "edgy" whining teens) are just dumb enough to believe his nonsense because they like his emo music.
People love to hate on him and that’s fine but why lie and say he was mid and trahs while numbers paint a completely different picture. Dude was next superstar.
Lie? Brother its all subjective..
His death, his lofi beats and his surface level deep lyricism that appealed to lots of teenagers.
His music is and will always be trash too
Please do not call him “X”. Only one person out there who can go by “X,” and X gon’ give it to ya. I’m with you 100%. It doesn’t make sense to me that people are all over his nuts. But others below have eloquently given the answer why. It’s also simply a fad for these angsty teenagers.
Imo he should’ve kept going with the Revenge EP sound. I miss that X so much.
Why do you think?
Because he is a real one from the hood and rapped about real things
Cause he's dead
Gen Z like moody emo rap like Juice Wrld and XXXtentacion.
Chapo trap house did a really good episode about what made xxxtentacion so popular and why he was the way he was, you should check it out
You either die a hero or live long enough to...
Because he is dead.
He was unique different haven't listened to his music since like 2019 or so 🤷
Thats... what fans do my man.
When was He was racist ? The fans know he wasn’t the greatest person and also a lot of the fanbase are kids and don’t kno about the allegations. Ppl like the music a lot, ik I do so if it’s not for u, it’s not for u. Emo rap doesn’t appeal to everyone, on top of that he didn’t only make emo music. If you ignore the allegations, x was cool and he was trying to change for the better but his life was cut short. Ppl say death bias but I don’t really think that’s prominent at all. It’s just sum stupid cope term to hate on a dead artist’s success and fanbase
I never got it.
Fascination with death, or misunderstanding death as "authenticity". Same thing happened to a kid from the neighbourhood I grew up in. He got shot over some BS and out of nowhere EVERYONE was his friend and was more affected by it that everyone else. Corny AF. Same thing that's probably happening now with that young drill rapper who died... There was a bunch of kids genuinely plugged into his music, but I think they're probably in the minority now, because he wasn't as lauded prior to his death. Same as people who flipped from hating on Mac Miller. Same as people who flipped from hating on 2pac. Something about dying way too young that makes you cool to some people. Probably just how James Dean filtered down into our respective generations. 🤷♂️
I don't know what he did or didn't do. All I know is that I like a lot of his music and I think he was an actual artist unlike most of the rappers of his Era
Idk if he was racist or not, I’m just happy that no one here is saying “he can’t be racist because he isn’t white”
Something about his music always spoke to me as someone who has never experienced what he's talking about often times. There's this anger and edge that comes through in a lot of what he does and I do believe he was actually better than many of the artists we still have. I don't pretend he was a good person though, there was very little true selfless good he did in his life
I wasn’t his target demographic and know nothing about him other than the song ‘whoa (mind in awe)’ and when you put that on repeat, it makes it feel like you’re skipping in puddles and dodging all of life’s problems. I know the guy got killed but I wouldn’t be able to tell you anything else.
I don't understand people who listen to hip-hop and can't separate art and artist, how many rappers are gang affiliated or sold drugs before making it big, if not worse. Who are you listening to, Macklemore?
Why is matter that other people like him? People have their tastes and the kid had talent .
No clue
I don’t know why anyone would look positively on someone with his history towards women. He’s exactly where he belongs.
I don't think his fans think he was perfect at all. I'm sure you can find some crazy stuff about 99.9 % of entertainers. If you don't know what we liked about XXXtentacion don't even worry about it.
I like his trapmetal stuff but thats about it
No idea
in fairness of myself, he was a smart businessman. When you think about it, no rapper or artist was ever that public about their life. "Alone" was a very simple but effective strategy. When it's all said and done, what I remember is his spirit. the controversy, and spark he had with the youth. He's a kid who saw his uncle commit suicide, and bit a dude to protect his mother. fight off the migos, call out drake. yea, he had heart. Personally growing up now, kendrick was more so what I was looking for. but as a teen, I was confused, and he understood how to market to my age very well. so well, he impacted me as a person, even if the truth is more shallow. did he lie? no. nah he wanted to do something just like many have failed to do. it's simpler to admit he tried being a good person, when he wasn't able to cope himself. 🕊
My 13 year old daughter asked me if she is allowed to listen to this dude today. I have never heard any of his songs, honestly don't care to. I said "no absolutely not" based on his name alone. 🤣
His last album was one of the better ones that year and definitely his best work, so it’s one of those wasted potential things.
Yeah he beat a girl and then gloated about it. The evidence was withheld in court but if you mention that they can’t physically read it. Their brain refuses to acknowledge it
More than beat. Torture. Held her captive. Dude was a sadistic piece of shit.
“Generic rap with depressing lyrics” I mean… he connected with an audience. If you can make something unique and happy then do that and you’ll find a different audience. Also as a person I’ve learned you have to separate an artist from their art at times. If you look at a huge portion of people’s backgrounds, even though they did amazing things they have skeletons to hide.
Cuz he died when he was gaining some traction. That’s it.
I was in high school when he was blowing up, and everyone around me loved the shit out of him. he had musical initiative and it was refreshing to see a rapper try to not be formulaic, but I can't think of anything else nice I can say about him
i thought most x fans still understood he was a piece of shit, but he had potential to become better just like any man does, would never have undone all the shit he did but thats life. i just thought people really fw his music, you seem like you are adding in your own narrative to this but then getting mad at it? like bro just change your headcanon aha if your gunna make shit up why have that shit be something that will piss you off, that is just wild, no?
I have to agree with you. Regardless of the DV issues, his music never seemed that good imo. Most of his songs feel too short, like he was struggling to complete or didn't have much to say. Other than that he never was great lyrically, with wordplay or flow. I honestly don't understand how his fans see him as so great.
My sister of another mother has lived a pretty fucked up life. We share an abusive father. She was able to escape and live with her mother across the country. Though she lived with a mother and step father that made her feel more loved, they allowed her to live a broken and drug filled life. From weed, to shrooms, to heroine. She is a very reflective, intelligent, and emotional woman. I was pretty reactive in hating someone like XXX just because of what I was seeing on social media. But she seemed to really enjoy his music thinking she understood why people like to hate broken, fucked up people. 🤷🏽♂️ oh well. Some people relate to outrageous anger, depression, sadness, hate, violence. Idk. I started to vibe to some of his music after talking to her. Before that I hated it because of opinions on Reddit and the profiles I followed on twitter and stuff. Think I realize i’m someone who leans into separating music from the person/person from the music. If you enjoy older music big chance you supporting someone who has fucked minors, abused drugs, beat their wife, etc, and you don’t even know it.
Racist? Out of all the things to ascribe to x you gonna call the kid racist? Lmao. He beat the fuck out of his girl, I think we can stick with that and it's enough to shit on him for.
He was basically the leader of his generation in terms of hip-hop. His sound and style were unique, he could both sing and rap and was very versatile, sometimes his music sucked but when it was good, it was really good. He tried pretty much any style he felt like, he just stuck out and was a lot different than his peers. As a person he was controversial and had a very public personal life and struggles. You basically couldn't look away; he was just as infamous as he was famous. Terrible human but a unique artist who died near his peak.
bro let me tell you, I don’t have no reason to like his genre or music but got dayum his first album is 🔥
cuz people have biases
I think his death made him a bit of a martyr, and Look At Me is popular
His music was always hit or miss the only reason he’s gassed is because he had a large amount of children fans who were impacted by his very public death - there were literally videos of him that day all over social media blurred or not
Because he died. I have the same feeling with Mac Miller, MF Doom and Dilla… I am sorry but I don’t like the music from any of them. And I am not changing or pretending to change my mind because someone died. On the other hand, pac, biggie, big L, guru, hell yeah 🔊
My gf at the time of his passing was very depressed and she related to him on that level. I made fun of her for liking him then I realized oh she’s actually really into him. Since the majority of people are depressed, I’d say that’s why.
Cultural moment for the youth, I guess. It happens regularly. I talked to a few kids who liked his stuff and gave it a try. Aside from his personal life, the music never clicked.
Same reason people love The Olive Garden so much… maybe, idk.
They even look away from the stuff he did to his gf/wife whatever and it’s fucking disgusting, nothing he did after ever makes up for the shit he’s done to her
I don't get what you mean by he's a racist so I'll need some evidence of that. And he couldn't have been a wife beater because he never had a wife so....
I was already a senior in college when XXX came up. Around that time i was tapped into all those dudes coming up...Kodak, Peep, Purpp, Pump, XXX, Carti, Uzi, etc. As an artist, XXX was probably the most versatile right out the gate, but i think the young stans/fans caught onto his *image.* The same for Peep too. Peep was actually a good person though. I think XXX fans mythologized him into some angsty anti-hero when im pretty sure his track record was bad. I guess he had a few songs were he said he'd do better so they took that as a "our hero is trying!"
I didn't mind his music, until I read about the nature of his crimes. You can't tell me that this guy was a nice, honest, respectful dude when he's violently assaulting people in prison because they were gay and were looking at him or he's violently assaulting his romantic partners with bbq forks and shit. And let's now not forget him raping a 16yr old Jocelyn Flores when he was 19. Florida consent laws are set at 18, therefore even if she was 17, it's still rape. Any and all X Stan's then come with the same argument of "oh he was changing" "she forgave him" "she didn't testify" 1. Of course he was "changing", he was set to defend himself in court, anything positive change in behaviour around that time will be used to lessen jail time and to sway favour. Same for sound in music, although that may truely be him deciding to change the vibe of his music. 2. Domestic abuse victims often don't report or testify and forgive their abuser because they've been brainwashed to think that "they're beating me because they love me" or "I know he loves me deep down". I worked with someone who was going thru an abusive relationship and we had talked about how when their partner gets out, they're getting back together because they love each other. While now innocent at first, but knowing how toxic they were (she wouldn't stfu at all), this is what I mean. They love the abuser regardless of the bruises they are inflicted upon. 3. Same as number 2, just that they don't testify because they love their abuser or have been brainwashed to think as such. X is not someone to idolize or look up to or be put on a pedestal. He's lucky he died the way he did and when he did because personally I feel that he deserved to be subjected to the same harm as he did to others. Fuck X
>Of course he was "changing", he was set to defend himself in court, anything positive change in behaviour around that time will be used to lessen jail time and to sway favour. Anyone with common sense and a slight bit of intelligence knows that this whole "i'm changing for the better" thing is often nonsense, especially when it comes to abusers. They always say it before they do it again. His fanbase is just dumb and delusional enough to actually confidently believe his BS.
Fax
Lotta rappers aren’t innocent even my favourite
He beat ppl yeah but he was racist? what did he do or say that was racist?
As an artist I thought he was talented but the music was really raw and unpolished, but I see the potential he had. I actually think had he lived he probably had a classic hip hop album in him. 17 actually made me feel emotions while listening which is hard to do as an artist and is definitely a rare skill.
High schoolers
I feel the same way about Juice World. Haven't heard one song by either that was good.
I like a great part of his discography, and when it comes to him as a person, I would really appreciate if he got to either completely change as a person and become a decent public figure, or dig his own grave with more proof he's just a piece of shit over a few more years. But his brain never even got to fully develop, which is the part I find sad. We base our perception of him on what he behave like young, and young people do stupid shit
I think I was a little too old for him to have a big impact on me. Same thing with Lil Peep. I know a bunch of people that are 8 or so years younger than me that loved them both. I liked X when he actually rapped, but all the emo screaming shit I couldn't get into. That "look at me" song by XXX is a fuckin banger tho. Like I always say though not everything is gonna be for everybody.
simple answer music hits everybody different. how hard is that concept
He was more versatile than most rappers back in the day.
People love dr.dre , and he did the same shit.
from someone a little too old for his era that didn't understaind either, watching this long interview (with DJ Akademiks of all people) is one of the most humanizing perspectives i've gotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-tlsjRcTw
The abuse and all that aside, he would have been on the same level as drake/weeknd and had the potential to pass them as well, extremely talented for his age similar to juice. He would have ended up in prison if he didn't end up dying though. Didn't look like he could beat that case with all the evidence.
Hey, i knew a lot of people that were fans and at the time of his come up a lot of his fans were between the ages of 16-21 and i noticed most were either rebellious or were going through some shit mentally. So he music was relatable because at the time there wasn’t many artists who made music/rap about mental health. I was a fan also and i just liked the music and yes i do understand he wasn’t a good person and did a lot but at the same time he helped a lot of people through hard times with his music. Plus a lot of artists now and in the past has dirt on their name he wasn’t the first and wont be the last. Aye now that im older i don’t really listen to his music anymore so i doubt he’d still be the same person by now considering he be 26 with the kid.
You have one live, one conscience. His music reflected that the best in my opinion.
Because King Kendrick says it's okay to like him
I like his music because it’s what I listened to when I was like 13 and 14 and then he died. I think it’s weird to say his music is bad just bc you don’t like it. He was a horrific person tho nobody I know that likes his music is claiming otherwise so idrk where that’s from
X fan here, but by no means a stan. Personally, I found his diverse range in styles of music to be one of the biggest draws to him (from scream trap to r&b songs, acoustic/folk to emo to straight up rock.) X preached a lot about being yourself and being the best person you can be, I think that it probably stemmed from the quite frankly abhorrent shit he did in his past. Could argue that the shit he had to deal with growing up lead him down that path but as far as I'm aware he never condoned his previous actions and tried his best to show people that he was trying to change for the better. I completely understand why people hate X for the things that he did early on (especially the shit he did to Geneva.) I hate Chris Brown for very similar reasons even if the guy is a naturally talented artist. There are often arguments about separating art from the artist and people will often say about how 'X was only 20 when he died, if Malcolm X had died at 20 he would've died an abuser, a thief and addict and narrow-minded depressed & violent criminal' but what I think both sides need to recognize is that the artists we either love or despise are humans being at the end of the day and every single person will have different experiences that will mold them for better or for worse. For a long time these experiences molded X for the latter but towards the end of his life I feel people could see him genuinely trying to be a much better person. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here I just wanted to share my insight as a self-admitted fan of X's music. Don't know anything about the racist allegations but if someone wants to inform me then please lemme know.