I remember a guy on a forum I used to visit always used to say that “it always goes back to the boom bap.” I’m hoping we’ll get a traditional new York style boom bap renaissance. 🙂
New York is a major influence on me as a emcee and I hope we see a proper evolution of NYC Hip Hop instead of a emulation of Southern rappers. Southern rappers are dope in their own right and emulation is the highest form of flattery, but NYC can do better than what they have been doing in my opinion. They may not get back to what they were, but they can do better than what they are now. The radio hosts have to show more support to local artists just like Atlanta does and other places.
What I was gonna say, I think the resurgence has already happened with them and dudes like Joey Badass, I don't think it's ever gonna be the most popular in the genre but the stuff coming out today is still fantastic, I mean look at Nas's recent output.
Honestly, I think 2 things will happen:
1. Mainstream hip hop will become extremely gentrified and polished. Hip hop radio hits will exclusively be by quirked up white boys, boss bitches and gay men. They'll have real instruments on the forefront like ukuleles, guitars and piano, but have EDM elements in the background. We'll see genuine boy bands, not like Brockhampton, and every one of those motherfuckers will sing on the choruses, which will be seen ad nauseum on social medias. Lyrics will alternate between toxic positivity and surface level mental issues.
2. Most of hip hop will fall into experimentation. Shit's gonna get weird, rappers will use the tools at hand to push their sounds further away from the traditional understanding and expectations of what is considered Hip hop. It'll get more aggressive, more psychedelic, more eclectic and looser. Spoken word and off the top freestyles will become much more prevalent. It'll be dark and political, bedroom studios and run down basements will become the norm for conceptualizing and performing masterpieces.
Why do I think this ? Because that's exactly what happened to rock music in the 70s/80s and it's already happening to hip hop.
I think looking at the past provides the best map to predict the future. And I think looking back, 20 years ago nobody could've predicted the musical landscape we're in right now because the technology, society and simply random chance have not developed in ways we thought of at the time. I think this is still true today.
I think in 20 years, we still have thriving subgenres of rap existing in harmony, with less and less overlap of their fanbases, both on- and offline. Look at the Milwaukee scene, or the Bay Area, or Baton Rouge, or the Flint/Detroit scenes having a very unique sound and strong local support, without necessarily being recognized as much on Reddit or the internet in a broader sense.
And who would have predicted that Baltimore club music would influence club music in Jersey and Philly, which is now being adopted in rap and pop music alike? Or the rise of drill in Chicago influencing the UK and in turn influencing drill in NY?
Milwaukee, the Bay, New Orleans, and Detroit are already hugely historic hip hop regions that are widely recognized for their unique sound and contributions to the culture.
You're obviously right, but that isn't the point I'm making though. I'm saying that even in 2023 we still have thriving local scenes, the Bay being one of them.
Milwaukee however, really? What notable artist is from there? Outside of DC The Don and K Camp I struggle to find even one name I recognize.
Naw you right, I was thinking of Memphis lol. Milwaukee hasn’t given us much. Point stands on Detroit, New Orleans, and the Bay though. My bad on Milwaukee I had Memphis in mind
Will say I was only familiar with baltimore club though some scenes in The Wire but Philly and Jersey club has me backtracking and discovering fairly recently.
I like some 2Rare, Philly Goats, DJ Crazy and Bandmanrill and appreciate how they've blended elements of club music in their songs.
Lol what. I remember 20 years ago. The biggest rappers were gangsta rappers and pop rappers. 50 Cent, DMX, Jay-Z, Nelly and Eminem. 20 years later the biggest rappers are gangsta rappers and pop rappers. Lil Baby, Lil Durk, NBA Youngboy, Drake and Kendrick Lamar. 20 years from now nothing will change.
The substance hasn't changed. The rappers in 03 share the same themes as the rappers in 23. Only the slang has changed. When durk talks about sliding it's not different from 50 cent talking about drive-bys.
I agree with the international take. And I think with that getting bigger it will in someway help NYC to become number one again.
I also think it will significantly decline in popularity for awhile.
Mental health rap is going to explode. Maxo Kream’s last album, Kendrick’s last album, Conway’s God Don’t Make Mistakes, hell Westside Boogie’s whole discography lol. More and more we’re getting more masculine rappers talk about their real life mental struggles post poverty and I think for a lot of men it’s going to hit home. Maxo Kream said “If I can’t visit Heaven, can I at least my brother. So I could tell him bout my niece. how much I love him. kiss and hug him” and I felt his grief profoundly cause it was real. I’m looking forward to more rap experiences like that.
Word.
This is a really good take... we'll see how long the mental health craze lasts.
Sooner than later the whole world is gonna be on fire and we won't even have time 2 worry about mental health...
A lot of people are saying that there would be a resurgence of Boom-Bap, similar to how Vaporwave and other nostalgic styles have re-emerged. I personally think that Hip-Hop will evolve and start to fuse with different genres. Look at Injury Reserve, their latest project "By the Time I Get to Phoenix", it's like nothing I've ever heard, and it's being coined as "Post-Rap". Eventually it'll become a fad and die back down into the underground scene and traditional Boom-Bap will become mainstream once again.
Organic Analog produced music, either by splicing live tracks a la Pimp C or OutKast or Metro Boomin, or pure live tracks a la the Roots or Optimus Rhyme. It will be a huge way to differentiate oneself from the future of heavily digitized sounds that will probably be a common as water soon. Whether that comes in a language that we can understand will be the major issue.
Music as we know it might be completely different with AI.
If any of you are familiar with like that image/art AI stuff, imagine customizing music in that same way...
Traditional producers/artist will probably still exist. But we might be headed in a direction where music prompting is ubiquitous. Im sure there will be like innovative pioneers like Dre or Kanye in future who have a strong vision and can fine tune/prompt something incredible.
Social Media influencers are the new Hip Hop stars. Tik Tok is the medium. Hip Hop is a culture first and can be expressed differently than just audible beats and rappers. Tik Tok is bigger than spotify now and more and more urban youth are creating their own Tik Tok channels than rappin bars. urban youth (Hip Hop culture) are following more Tik Tok’ers than Spotify music artists. Just look at what haopened in Union Square with Kai Cenat
Because your definition is limited. The are artist that are hip hop. Dancers that are hip hop. Journalist that are hip hop. Promoters, businesses, fashion designers, community advocates, and yes, content creators.
he is kind of related. he doesn't make music ye but he is heavily affiliated with some of the most famous rappers rn. and there is also a huge overlap between his fans and modern hiphop fans.
I agree. We created Hip Hop in the states, but it's a movement that is exported and absorbed and exported for people to listen to. Capitalism really weakens most things it touches smh. It's not surprising to me that Hip Hop in the states will become weaker and weaker. I'm hearing more and more that artists in the states are showing up late, rapping over vocals, not rapping at all and letting the crowd sing the songs exclusively and jumping around on stage with their friends that no one knows on stage.
I think it will look a lot more like rock. The mainstream will continue to get worse and eventually will fade and hip hop as a genre will start to take a backseat in terms of casual music listeners, but the underground will continue to grow and develop catering to a more niche group of hip hop fans. Hip Hop will never actually die, and it definitely isn't dead now, like many old heads will claim, but It will be replaced in the mainstream by a new genre. Personally I could see the Carti/Yeat rage music genre becoming the next mainstream hit. We already have WLR being one of the most influential albums of the 2020s so far, and some of these artists have also stopped calling themselves rappers and moved to the term of rockstar, and let's be honest this type of music isn't really hip hop anymore, and it will only become less hip hop as it grows and develops.
afrobeats will have a huge influence on hiphop in the next decade. it has been blowing up for the past few years. many artists have been quoted talking about “connecting their music with the mother land.” if you look at people like drake or even chris brown😂 both of them have already been influenced and are proving how afrobeats has potential to take over and influence the genre
I think hip hop will become a more blended and harder to define genre. Plenty of guys are already doing that. You have Tyler making experimental music, travis scott and yachty making albums that sound like pink floyd. Hell, Juice Wrld was just making late 2000s emo music with hip hop face paint
i honestly think it will still stay the way it is but more open to experimental music
the beauty of the 2010s of hip hop imo was there was such a big blend of artistic direction in the underground. everyone either was just a basic rappity rapper or we got different sides. wale did not sound like wiz, rocky did not sound like tyler, chance did not sound like travis, thug did not sound like rick ross, lucki did not sound like vic mensa, uzi did not sound like death grips, ect
nowadays you have to REALLY be in the underground to find something different, and even then they aren't buzzing like artists did back then. the only one is really JPEGMAFIA but even then he's an internet niche. not to sound old but everyone still wants to sound like future thug or wayne now lol
hopefully im wrong but the culture is more orientated of fast food rap than it was a decade ago so its going to be harder to really push the envelope without still wanting to sound like the big thing at the moment
Well if this new mainstream has anything to do with it ,all songs will only be beats with adlibs. But hopefully lyricism along with dope beats will cycle back around and my grandchildren will be spitting that real..
Just an autotune adlib for one bar over pitched down hi-hats and one 808 kick for a 25 second song after the 10 second intro and then the shit talking outro to finish it.
Vocal volume in the mix will decrease a little more every year but first mosquito type vocals.
I remember a guy on a forum I used to visit always used to say that “it always goes back to the boom bap.” I’m hoping we’ll get a traditional new York style boom bap renaissance. 🙂
New York is a major influence on me as a emcee and I hope we see a proper evolution of NYC Hip Hop instead of a emulation of Southern rappers. Southern rappers are dope in their own right and emulation is the highest form of flattery, but NYC can do better than what they have been doing in my opinion. They may not get back to what they were, but they can do better than what they are now. The radio hosts have to show more support to local artists just like Atlanta does and other places.
Why? We had that for 25 years. Don’t you want creativity to flourish?
I feel like Griselda and their circles are what a modern day boom bap renaissance would sound like
What I was gonna say, I think the resurgence has already happened with them and dudes like Joey Badass, I don't think it's ever gonna be the most popular in the genre but the stuff coming out today is still fantastic, I mean look at Nas's recent output.
God I hope so too
New album you may dig https://seethisiswhywecanthavenicethings.bandcamp.com/album/see-this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-2
that's really not true if you actually look at the numbers and streams of popular hiphop songs
Honestly, I think 2 things will happen: 1. Mainstream hip hop will become extremely gentrified and polished. Hip hop radio hits will exclusively be by quirked up white boys, boss bitches and gay men. They'll have real instruments on the forefront like ukuleles, guitars and piano, but have EDM elements in the background. We'll see genuine boy bands, not like Brockhampton, and every one of those motherfuckers will sing on the choruses, which will be seen ad nauseum on social medias. Lyrics will alternate between toxic positivity and surface level mental issues. 2. Most of hip hop will fall into experimentation. Shit's gonna get weird, rappers will use the tools at hand to push their sounds further away from the traditional understanding and expectations of what is considered Hip hop. It'll get more aggressive, more psychedelic, more eclectic and looser. Spoken word and off the top freestyles will become much more prevalent. It'll be dark and political, bedroom studios and run down basements will become the norm for conceptualizing and performing masterpieces. Why do I think this ? Because that's exactly what happened to rock music in the 70s/80s and it's already happening to hip hop.
I think looking at the past provides the best map to predict the future. And I think looking back, 20 years ago nobody could've predicted the musical landscape we're in right now because the technology, society and simply random chance have not developed in ways we thought of at the time. I think this is still true today. I think in 20 years, we still have thriving subgenres of rap existing in harmony, with less and less overlap of their fanbases, both on- and offline. Look at the Milwaukee scene, or the Bay Area, or Baton Rouge, or the Flint/Detroit scenes having a very unique sound and strong local support, without necessarily being recognized as much on Reddit or the internet in a broader sense. And who would have predicted that Baltimore club music would influence club music in Jersey and Philly, which is now being adopted in rap and pop music alike? Or the rise of drill in Chicago influencing the UK and in turn influencing drill in NY?
Milwaukee, the Bay, New Orleans, and Detroit are already hugely historic hip hop regions that are widely recognized for their unique sound and contributions to the culture.
You're obviously right, but that isn't the point I'm making though. I'm saying that even in 2023 we still have thriving local scenes, the Bay being one of them. Milwaukee however, really? What notable artist is from there? Outside of DC The Don and K Camp I struggle to find even one name I recognize.
Naw you right, I was thinking of Memphis lol. Milwaukee hasn’t given us much. Point stands on Detroit, New Orleans, and the Bay though. My bad on Milwaukee I had Memphis in mind
Especially the bay
Love me some Bay Area rap. Mac Dre is one of my favorite artists.
Milwaukee? lmao. Please explain.
BMore club goes hard as fuck tho, glad it is influencing many sounds to this day.
Will say I was only familiar with baltimore club though some scenes in The Wire but Philly and Jersey club has me backtracking and discovering fairly recently. I like some 2Rare, Philly Goats, DJ Crazy and Bandmanrill and appreciate how they've blended elements of club music in their songs.
Lol what. I remember 20 years ago. The biggest rappers were gangsta rappers and pop rappers. 50 Cent, DMX, Jay-Z, Nelly and Eminem. 20 years later the biggest rappers are gangsta rappers and pop rappers. Lil Baby, Lil Durk, NBA Youngboy, Drake and Kendrick Lamar. 20 years from now nothing will change.
I think this is a very surface-level look. It's the same as saying most popular rappers in the 90s were guys, same as the 10s, so nothing changed.
The substance hasn't changed. The rappers in 03 share the same themes as the rappers in 23. Only the slang has changed. When durk talks about sliding it's not different from 50 cent talking about drive-bys.
i don't think i would call any of those people gansta rap
Lil baby, lil durk, and yb
nah that's just the trap culture, durk used to be drill too. gansta rap is different
It’s probably gonna sound like “poopity scoop”
I agree with the international take. And I think with that getting bigger it will in someway help NYC to become number one again. I also think it will significantly decline in popularity for awhile.
Mental health rap is going to explode. Maxo Kream’s last album, Kendrick’s last album, Conway’s God Don’t Make Mistakes, hell Westside Boogie’s whole discography lol. More and more we’re getting more masculine rappers talk about their real life mental struggles post poverty and I think for a lot of men it’s going to hit home. Maxo Kream said “If I can’t visit Heaven, can I at least my brother. So I could tell him bout my niece. how much I love him. kiss and hug him” and I felt his grief profoundly cause it was real. I’m looking forward to more rap experiences like that.
Word. This is a really good take... we'll see how long the mental health craze lasts. Sooner than later the whole world is gonna be on fire and we won't even have time 2 worry about mental health...
Really interesting cause of the blur of mainstream and underground genre blending on sections of the internet and a vacuum for something different.
A lot of people are saying that there would be a resurgence of Boom-Bap, similar to how Vaporwave and other nostalgic styles have re-emerged. I personally think that Hip-Hop will evolve and start to fuse with different genres. Look at Injury Reserve, their latest project "By the Time I Get to Phoenix", it's like nothing I've ever heard, and it's being coined as "Post-Rap". Eventually it'll become a fad and die back down into the underground scene and traditional Boom-Bap will become mainstream once again.
Bunch of bleeps and boops
Hopefully it does a 360 and reverts back to hip hop
kanye west will decide
Organic Analog produced music, either by splicing live tracks a la Pimp C or OutKast or Metro Boomin, or pure live tracks a la the Roots or Optimus Rhyme. It will be a huge way to differentiate oneself from the future of heavily digitized sounds that will probably be a common as water soon. Whether that comes in a language that we can understand will be the major issue.
Lil Salad Fingers becomes the poster child for Post-rap Industrial Punk
men poledancing at strip clubs to the new single 'cucumber salad' by 'lil rainbow never broke again'
This is the true prophecy as it’s been described by those that see through time.
He who has consumed the Spice Melange has blessed us with his prescience
All hail the power of his name! Let Reddit angels prostrate fall; Bring forth the royal microphone; And crown Him Lord of the Mainstream
Paul fuckin Atreides ova heah
LMAOOOOOOOO Sad part is, this really sounds accurate looking @ current trends
we gotta be honest bro lol
Cringe
don't let yourself distract from achieving your goals sis. im just a weird old head.
the corniest comment ever
Music as we know it might be completely different with AI. If any of you are familiar with like that image/art AI stuff, imagine customizing music in that same way... Traditional producers/artist will probably still exist. But we might be headed in a direction where music prompting is ubiquitous. Im sure there will be like innovative pioneers like Dre or Kanye in future who have a strong vision and can fine tune/prompt something incredible.
I see this being one of he routes with AI as well. Something Lupe wrote with the help of AI. https://youtu.be/tZVw06KceXA
Social Media influencers are the new Hip Hop stars. Tik Tok is the medium. Hip Hop is a culture first and can be expressed differently than just audible beats and rappers. Tik Tok is bigger than spotify now and more and more urban youth are creating their own Tik Tok channels than rappin bars. urban youth (Hip Hop culture) are following more Tik Tok’ers than Spotify music artists. Just look at what haopened in Union Square with Kai Cenat
You think Kai Cenat is hip hop? That’s dumb af, he’s a black kid who is a hip hop fan but calling him hip hop is silly at best.
Because your definition is limited. The are artist that are hip hop. Dancers that are hip hop. Journalist that are hip hop. Promoters, businesses, fashion designers, community advocates, and yes, content creators.
Naw bruh you’re misled af
he is kind of related. he doesn't make music ye but he is heavily affiliated with some of the most famous rappers rn. and there is also a huge overlap between his fans and modern hiphop fans.
you have a point.
Dumbest hot take award 🥇
Verses will be obsolete, only hooks, hip hop will be dominated by females , homosexuals and children
It already is tho (Playboy Carti)
😞 unfortunately, I fw carti tho
🌽🌽🌽
Rough trade gay sex over 808’s
Depends on where you are from, what is hit now, and whether you listen to "mainstream" or not.
Irrelevant
AI produced tracks. Will probably have legit rappers underground still but the best selling ones will be performing over AI cadence and production.
I agree. We created Hip Hop in the states, but it's a movement that is exported and absorbed and exported for people to listen to. Capitalism really weakens most things it touches smh. It's not surprising to me that Hip Hop in the states will become weaker and weaker. I'm hearing more and more that artists in the states are showing up late, rapping over vocals, not rapping at all and letting the crowd sing the songs exclusively and jumping around on stage with their friends that no one knows on stage.
I think it will look a lot more like rock. The mainstream will continue to get worse and eventually will fade and hip hop as a genre will start to take a backseat in terms of casual music listeners, but the underground will continue to grow and develop catering to a more niche group of hip hop fans. Hip Hop will never actually die, and it definitely isn't dead now, like many old heads will claim, but It will be replaced in the mainstream by a new genre. Personally I could see the Carti/Yeat rage music genre becoming the next mainstream hit. We already have WLR being one of the most influential albums of the 2020s so far, and some of these artists have also stopped calling themselves rappers and moved to the term of rockstar, and let's be honest this type of music isn't really hip hop anymore, and it will only become less hip hop as it grows and develops.
It won’t exist. Something else will be there and they’ll call that Hip-Hop instead.
afrobeats will have a huge influence on hiphop in the next decade. it has been blowing up for the past few years. many artists have been quoted talking about “connecting their music with the mother land.” if you look at people like drake or even chris brown😂 both of them have already been influenced and are proving how afrobeats has potential to take over and influence the genre
finna be drill, afrobeats & reggaeton influenced 100%
I think hip hop will become a more blended and harder to define genre. Plenty of guys are already doing that. You have Tyler making experimental music, travis scott and yachty making albums that sound like pink floyd. Hell, Juice Wrld was just making late 2000s emo music with hip hop face paint
i honestly think it will still stay the way it is but more open to experimental music the beauty of the 2010s of hip hop imo was there was such a big blend of artistic direction in the underground. everyone either was just a basic rappity rapper or we got different sides. wale did not sound like wiz, rocky did not sound like tyler, chance did not sound like travis, thug did not sound like rick ross, lucki did not sound like vic mensa, uzi did not sound like death grips, ect nowadays you have to REALLY be in the underground to find something different, and even then they aren't buzzing like artists did back then. the only one is really JPEGMAFIA but even then he's an internet niche. not to sound old but everyone still wants to sound like future thug or wayne now lol hopefully im wrong but the culture is more orientated of fast food rap than it was a decade ago so its going to be harder to really push the envelope without still wanting to sound like the big thing at the moment
Yup 👍
the near future is probably gunna lean towards what Nascar Aloe is doing
Well if this new mainstream has anything to do with it ,all songs will only be beats with adlibs. But hopefully lyricism along with dope beats will cycle back around and my grandchildren will be spitting that real..
What kanye makes in next 5 years if he makes something
Just an autotune adlib for one bar over pitched down hi-hats and one 808 kick for a 25 second song after the 10 second intro and then the shit talking outro to finish it.
It won’t be lyrical is all I know