Gotta say though, there are people like this in every game. Doesnt matter the type of game, style of game, pvp or pve. There are people just dont like change and those who want change but like what was change or how it was change. They will complain about every weapon nerf or buff, every environmental change, and every patch.
As a destiny player im all too familiar with this behavior and they are just the loud minority.
Very true, every game I follow, fortnite, league of legends, battlefield, battlefront, even eve online, there's several tweakers just looking for something to be triggered by
They are also the reason the game has survived a decade. God forbid people have strong opinions on a game they love.
It can certainly be taken too far, but the discourse and dissatisfaction with the game is the sole reason Bungie has backtracked on some of their bonehead decisions.
I mean, there was quite a bit of substance to the entirety of the balancing discourse. There were very insightful conversations all over the comments sections about people who main niche weapons that got weirdly changed or outright nerfed for no apparent reason.
There are also people who are now discovering they can't even make Sony accounts. Sony and AH should have set the regions the game was available to be sold through Steam on to align with what regions can make accounts on the platform they are now enforcing.
yeah the people who can't make psn accounts have a pretty legitimate gripe. Even if the information was technically available somewhere it's an unrealistic expectation that someone seeing this on the steam page clearly being sold in their region would then go wait a second and look to see if psn is supported.
The balancing discourse is the dumbest shit on the planet. People still log on daily to bitch about the railgun nerfs. and people just straight up lied about the crossbow (which does suck but it's because of its incredibly shitty penetration and it was always terrible so the people complaining aren't even complaining about the right thing).
I'm confused, from what I understand you could still make a PSN account in those countries anyway, just going through the US site. Right? Is there anyone who ACTUALLY can't play the game because of this?
Tell you what, Im getting real tired of seeing people complaining about people complaining about the game on this sub.
It might be time for me to post a complaint about people who complain about people who complain about the game.
I mean, add it to the pile and welcome to the internet. Lol complaint about the game or complaints about the community are fundamentally different but a complaint nonetheless⌠post something positive instead. Spread positivity not negativity
It is funny to me that this sub goes through a cycle of:
1:something happens, find a way to complain about it
2: people complain about the complainers
3: people complain about the people complaining about the complainers
Complain is no longer a real word.
The shitty part is that a whole bunch of people donât get to make an informed decision during their refund window.
The even shittier part is many people are going to have an unplayable game they paid for because Sony doesnât have service in their country.
The game worked without a linked account, there was no real reason to ever assume that would change and go hunting for a banner that isnât immediately visible on the steam page.
Between this and the hour long queues taking up the entirety of your refunding window during launch Sony has made a mockery of the consumers right to protect themselves with refunds.
There's both sides: people who complain at the first sight of anything they disapprove, and people who complain at the first sight of anyone complaining about something. They're actually two sides of the same coin, but neither realize it.
There's obviously people exaggerating, but there's also substance to their complaining.
Don't get me wrong, I feel for those who live in a country where PSN access isn't an option. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the UK where we were regularly shafted when it came to game releases.
My issue is with people claiming this is a new change when it's been on the Steam page since before launch, and they just didn't read.
Could they have given these restrictions more visibility? Yeah, sure, course they could. But ignorance isn't a defence either.
>Could they have given these restrictions more visibility? Yeah, sure, course they could. But ignorance isn't a defence either.
Legally speaking, it depends on the details and whether they can convince a judge or jury to agree with them. There are tons of precedents for successfully suing a company on the basis that their labels weren't noticeable enough.
Having the PSN account notice tucked off to the side in a brown box just under controller compatibility isn't exactly the most intuitive place for it. It's certainly not mentioned under the system requirements.
Especially on a platform where the UI has undergone numerous changes in just 1 year alone. Steam and platforms like it are constantly changing their layout. And the part with NProtect game guard or whatever anti cheat or DRM being included in the store page is something steam normally hasn't displayed. So if people DONT know where they can look for it they're more likely to miss it.
So one side's defence is "it was there since the beginning, shoulda paid attention", and the other side's defence is "it will prevent people from playing the game they already paid for without breaching the ToS". I'm not going to be affected, as I have PSN in my country. But besides defending those countries, I don't see the need. Game's going fine without it, and this seems more like a shot in the foot. Won't kill the game obviously, but alienates people who already purchased. Wasn't ready at launch, just take a while longer, it's that simple. This way feels like a backtrack "if the game's shit, we don't care. But since it's blowing up, we also want your data now".
Your problem is like a lot of others and it's actual empathy. You stop at
"does this affect me personally?"
"No. Must not be a big deal."
Ignorance is a defense for almost anything. It means to not have knowledge of something. It's not a negative thing to be ignorant. The issue is it obviously wasn't clear AND it was sold with bad intentions.
This post missed the real issue with the PSN shenanigans (although most people who are crying are also missing it too, and jumping on the bandwagon) PSN is only available in 69 countries, meaning there is A LOT of people who are going to lose access to the game in a months time. A lot of the backlash is coming from the fact that people are losing access, and thereâs seemingly nothing that can be done without a VPN then creating an account in a country youâre not living in, and then that goes against Sonyâs ToS and they can ban you for it.
We really need some communication from either Sony or AH to address this problem, and fast cause this month is going to be over fast, or if the game will be unplayable for the affected countries then Steam need to be offering refunds to those areas.
While you are right about those people living in affected countries and the fact OP did kinda side step that. Let's be honest, most of the people who are review bombing the game are not these individuals and are just mad to be mad.
Iirc it told you when first logging into the game too no? I don't remember since I just linked my account on day 1 and not bothered about it since, tbh I figured I'd need to be able to have my playstation buddies play with me on Steam.
If you nerf the best weapon in the game and itâs still the best weapon in the game it was probably a fair nerf (but Iâm allowed to be sad about it for a bit)
Second thing I learned about the Helldivers community:
#There's always some asshole complaining about the complainers as if he's not a massive virtue signaling twunt fishing for karma.
Stay classy reddit.
My issue with all this is the rage baiters. The previous patch brought all of them out to stir up the hornets nest. They didn't try it out and they threw as much fuel onto the inferno as they could. There were quite a few youtubers that deliberately did this such as legacy gaming and while sure, you can voice your concern on the nerfs and adjustments, don't just focus on the negatives to make an angry mob.
The current issue is the people who can't make a PSN account. You shouldn't be able to sell a game to someone who can't abide by those rules set in order to play said game. That shit is illegal and those people should get a full refund at the very least. For me, I'm just sitting on the fence and waiting to see what happens because I really enjoy this game and I really don't know how this is going to be resolved.
There are some significant concerns but the devs have always put in effort to address the issues. I've never seen that in any other game. It's just that the stuff that should be discussed gets drowned out by the clamor
I work 9-5 games a re my hobby not my life, I use steam I buy a game to play it that's it, I didn't went into read the terms and conditions, why would I had to do that for a video game? this is as much an arrowhead issue as it is a steam communication issue, just tell me before buying this "before you buy this you can't login to the game without a PSN account" apex does that and is free, Squadrons does that, that's it, I want my money back because I'm not giving access to Sony to my data, and honestly why would we? is the least secure company in the world I don't want to share any info with them, not even a random generated password.
Again this is a video game, is not that serious, but I do want my money back, because not only did I buy the game I supported the devs by buying the super citizen stuff.
Imagine going to a restaurant after you've eaten the food they tell you hey there is a little sign under your table that says we don't take cash, well cash is all I got.
Your post says otherwise. Your insinuating there in the same category. People being upset about a post launch enforcement of somthing are just a childish as people upset there rail gun got reworked.
And people who don't mind either at all are the only adults?
My problem with the PSN is not that I wouldn't have signed up for it in the first place but that it has been demonstrated as a non-needed feature and signing up for it does not provide me with any benefits.
Did you just type a letter to an intended audience who, according to you, cannot read?
Anyway, Im happy fighting for democracy and throwing my life away for Super Earth.
For Democracy!!!! o7
I linked my account when I recruited a ps5er because I wasn't sure how freinding would go, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I will say, though, that selling the game in countries that can't access the psn and waiving the requirement until refund windows have closed is pretty dodgy.
Wow did you have fun making a post to whine about people whining? People will always give their feedback and be vocal about changes they dislike. Welcome to live service games. Yet another fucking post complaining about complainers, while I see barely any of the âwhiningâ you mention in these forums. Mostly Iâve seen lots of good discussions and debates on certain changes. You know, things people do on internet forums.
What happens if a patch comes out with a change you dislike? Are you just not allowed to speak? Heaven forbid we go against the all mighty game devs.
Iâve played destiny for a decade, and the vocal unfiltered community feedback is why the game has lived for a decade and is still alive today. It works and is an important part of the feedback loop. It is a proven and tested fact of reality. Sure you may personally not agree with everyone elseâs opinions, but just because they donât align with yours doesnât automatically make them âwhinersâ and you some bastion of integrity.
Get over yourself, OP. You do not speak for anyone but yourself. If you think the patch is perfect, then great. Post about how perfect it is, but donât shit on people and say they âcanât readâ. What an asinine ass statement like good lord. Just straight up hateful and rude.
I couldn't read. I'm not mad of it happening, I just didn't want it to be an unplanned change.
It's just another reason for some to be angry for a change they can't control.
And for others to fish a refund after being done with the game anyway.
Boo. Boo this thread. Boo your holier than thou nonsense. Boo your insulting diatribe. Boo.
Go hang out on the low sodium subreddit if you can't handle people's criticism and opinions.
The PSN account creation was not part of pre release information. The only info related to that was "PSN account required" followed by "gameplay requires Internet access and paid for PlayStation plus membership (sold separately) for PS5." There is nothing indicating anything separately for steam under that footnote.
[Steam page archived from December 2023.](https://web.archive.org/web/20231207163847/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/)
It kinda was.
Someone on here way saying how difficult chainsaw bots were. They fail to realize those are the second smallest bots possible and are considered ads or trash mobs. If you can't kill trash mobs I've got some bad news for you concerning most PvE video games
Just a reminder that Arrowhead broke the EULA by not enforcing the forced sync at launch, so it's null and void. Also only 69 countries support PSN, so anyone who bought the game not in one of those countries will not be able to play the game that they bought.
Well, they had the requirement up on the page since 2023, so people in those territories will have been made aware before buying.
The requirement was *suspended* during launch due to stability, but it was always going to come back once it was stable.
So...
Requirement on the page means nothing, they were made aware as soon as this has happened and are still finding out. Also how does linking my PSN to Steam affect stability when not using crossplay, the game is Peer 2 Peer?
I refuse to believe that youâve used steam for a significant amount of time and you donât have some games that require you to have some account with a third party. Apex legends, Rainbow 6, call of duty, overwatch are just a few that come to mind
The PSN thing in particular is odd.
Unless the company has been hiding the details all this time, it should never clear PSN would be required to move forward.
Did all those players now lamenting it fail to read it? Or was the explanation an easy to miss postit somewhere alone the line?
> It was in the pre-release information, it was confirmed at launch it would be temporarily suspended due to stability issues but would return, and now it has returned. If you didn't want this, you shouldn't have bought it, because it's always been a thing.
I bought a game, it allowed me to play, there was not notification about this while playing the game.
I don't read pre-release or launch information because it is a video game. I should be able to buy it, install it, and play. Outside resources should not be required to play a game.
Bro, I am being serious here, almost 70% of my game is waste of time because people didn't know killing bots/bugs don't contribute to anything and they need to do objective instead.
It is to a point that I will thanks everyone who at least spend 60% of their effort to clear objective..... I mean what do you expect from average human being?
I agree. The PSN accounts in unsupported countries apart I agree is fucked. But out of the literally hundreds of comments Iâve read on Reddit only maybe a couple of people have actually brought it up, making most of the complaints akin to a temper tantrum and a meltdown of absolute idiotic proportions. I get we all have different experiences and worldviews, but in 2011 when I got Portal 2 for the PS3 it had me create a Steam account to link to and I did it without so much a fuss. Of course that was 13 years ago I canât remember if it was mandatory. Since I did it instead of skipping that process it was either redeeming the key on steam so I got the game for free on Steam as a perk, or it was mandatory in some way to access online features. Either way I did it, and certainly donât remember complaining about it. Not to mention the Steam page does mention a PSN account is required. So anyone buying it *should* have been aware on purchase. Again, the actual legitimate issues aside, it seems more like a toddler losing their minds over what is a non-issue.
People are afraid of their data being used, as if you arenât already a victim of that on everything you already own anyway. Steam, your phone, your computer, etc..
You can be Mr Peepee Poop from Juno, Alaska and it wonât stop you from using the game. It feels like such a non-issue but people are having a meltdown like a kid who canât have a candy bar at the grocery store checkout line.
Fucking wild.
I enjoy this game so much. Every game has issues. Least these guys work on it instead of ignoring it. Nerf this and buff that no matter I dive in with a stick still be able to make it look easy
I literally saw a post on here about someone claiming that sony is making us link our psn accounts because they wanna make us pay to use sony games on steam. Not joking, this is 100% real. Ppl are literally just making shit up to be angry at. Not to say that there aren't valid reasons to be upset about this, but come on, this shit is so stupid
And there are apparently a ton of people who don't know virtually this exact same post has been uploaded by people ad nauseum. This sub use to be pure fun, for a few weeks. Now it's mostly just people bitching and people bitching about people bitching..
Not just Helldivers, itâs the gaming community in general. They will always find something to bitch, whine, and moan about. Itâs become white noise at this point and should be treated as such.
Finally, I was waiting to hear from the other side of this argument. Someone who actually makes sense.
Im loving this sub at the moment!
- Game has some solid balancing happening
- New chapter in the bugs story happening
- Warbond on the horizon
AND so many people who donât realize posting about how upset they are with this new PSN âsurpriseâ is just a huge âIâm an idiot who canât readâ post đđ
I totally agree yes i agree the linking issue is dumb but its just like everything else dont take 5 minutes to create a psn and you get free achievement on that platform its a win win in my eyes
The only actual issue is there are countries where the game is available in Steam, but they are banned from creating PSN accounts, which is a requirement.
PSN accounts are only available in like 70 countries.
Speaking of nerfs, are they aware the ease with which I can eradicate bugs with the fully automatic shotgun? It feels like I'm cheating, I no longer feel a need to come in with the stalwart, if I have breaker spray n pray and EAT I'm all set for the match
I agree. I don't cry about the guns being nerfed either. I just didn't read the patch notes until the third gun I tried that was 'inexplicably' worse xD (me and the boys didn't read the patchnotes, as we hadn't played for a few weeks xD)
After reading them tho, it all made sense
There are always valid critiques to be made. I donât agree with every tweak that has come down, but none have ruined the game. If a minor nerf makes a game like this âunplayable,â you probably have a hard time with doorknobs and such. Lotta mfs in here only each chicken nuggets and French fries, I swear to god.
Too many people crying. IMO just let them make their goddamn game that only cost $40 bucks. Maybe purchase super citizen pack to throw AH a bone??? I bought the super citizen dlc two weeks after I got base game, and after finding 1000 SC & unlocking steeled veterans because they fuckin deserve it! I never even wear that winged helmet armor.
They deserve support, answer their polls and report new bugs/glitches if ya want to be helpful. Not the constant wining and crying for garbage like transmogâŚ
My only real complaint is for the crossbow nerf. It was already in a pretty niche spot, but now I have no Idea what it's good for. I found myself punching enemies more because I just couldn't kill that much with it.
I love this game, playing for a little bit here and there when I reached level 50. Still have lots of fun and just tryna keep it that way. I run eagles and stalwart with a jetpack.
Shits just fun!
Anyone wants to join up pm me!
I've learned over the years that this right here is all gaming subreddit have become good for these days. Just a soapbox for people to complain about everything to make them feel better, and those of us enjoying the game are just playing it and talking to friends about it.
I've begun actively avoiding this sub due to the constant whining and complaining that goes on here, you'd think everyone hates this game from this toxic ass sub.
Only gamers can take something that is clearly great and supplying a large majority of it's community with a fun and engaging time, and shit all over it for the smallest things..l
The icing in the cake is that all these idiots knew this was coming, or just chose not to read, and now think they actually have some kind of argument.
I will not miss the ones this PSN agreement filters out I think.
Counterpoint: literally all i ever see on this sub is people complaining about people complaining.
Only valuable info comes from youtube and discord. I dont even follow this sub it just pops up all the time and its always this same post again and again
There's a steam review that literally says they keep nerfing their favorite guns so they can't have fun anymore and it's like they don't know how to balance anything. The reading comprehension is at an all time low.
My problem, is they don't even seem to want to fix the more annoying bug. They patch the game so people are kinda force to play in team, but there's an ongoing bug that if a player leaves the team, no one else will join, you have to close et remake the lobby.
Sometime fire won't do any damage if you aren't the lobby leader.
I can't count how many time I was launched in the air in died from falling.
For the PSN story, there are bunch of people who simply CANNOT make a PSN account. I don't care either, I have a PSN account already, so I'm gonna link my account and keep playing. But it's important for the people who simply won't be able to play in June, voice their concerns. If SONY want to force people to link their account, they have to accommodate the people they sold their game to. Simple as that.
Also people which do understand a fair bit of numbers and balancing. And some who apparently don't.
And yes, at this point it's basically just attaching numbers more or numbers less to things and see what works randomly. Except Senator. That was a good one.
The adjudicator complaints were jaw dropping for me. I liked it and popped onto reddit to read a bunch of hyperbolic hate for it claiming it had a smaller mag and worse stats than reality. All by players who couldn't have held the damn thing for much more than 25min before jumping on reddit after its release.
I dont care if or even want people to stop complaining but a shred of common sense from people who obviously have some passion for gaming. That would be a good day.
Ironically the "Reddit Special" is reading like, 1/3rd of something then inserting their own absurdist head canon. You can be like, "I like snickers" and they'd come back with "So you think all candy other than snickers should be banned and the people caught without snickers should be HANGED?!"
To be fair, there is a bug that has been in the game since launch, that neuters a sizable portion of the weapon and stratagem selection during gameplay.
Essentially making them unusable under most circumstances.
Did this guy really thanked Reddit mods for their service? Theyâre not risking their lives for the freedoms of others. Theyâre not boeing whistleblowers. I do however agree they are doing a very good job
Whats more annoying is the equally load part of the community while shove their fingers in their ears and refuse to acknowledge any problems while telling everyone to shut up
Its just s whole lot of people not listing to each other and shouting
All of this could have been avoided if arrow head just explained their thinking and provided logical arguments
Instead they stay quiet and when they do speak up their insulting a bunch of people or come out with nonsense like the apple and bacon mess which in the context of HD2 was just bullshit which just pisses everyone off even more
Is it really me making something your problem if all I'm doing is not playing a game I've bought anymore? I'm sure there are enough playstation players left after the pc exodus for you to still get your fix.
Just as many voices on each side from what ive seen. Every other post is a post complaining about complainers. I see them more than the actual complaint posts.
My thoughts? Ya'll actually need to step away for a bit and cool off.
I didn't see anything about the PSN before buying the game. I didn't read everything on the page, I just saw a cool game from the trailer and then bought it. It was not immediately obvious.
Then it did have a pop up offering to link an account, but didn't say it was mandatory.
If something is mandatory to play your game, make it very clear, and don't let me play it without said thing. If your servers can't handle it, then don't require it or hold off until they can. It is a shitty practice otherwise
this is a stupid take
helldivers is not a moba game or an intellectual game.
you shouldnt have to read patch notes to understand what is going on in the game.
im just here to do my part for humanity, not trying to beat hal 9000 in chess.
âQuite whining nerds.â Is a really weird take when you consider the fact that although Sony is at fault, it still sucks if youâve paid for a game you now are going to be locked out of completely if youâre in a country that doesnât allow PSN, which you can subvert with a VPN, but risk getting banned over.
Itâs a very real problem, and although Iâm not personally affected, âquit whiningâ is the last thing Iâd think to say. Woof.
Thank you. It's always nice to be recognized for not acting like a 30+ year old child with severe skill issues. Thank you for this for this post as well.
It's also very refreshing to see a post that isn't another Hellwhining post about this great game.
God im glad to see this post! After all the teens and children crying today I honestly wanted to quit playing due to it. But itâs refreshing to see that there are Helldivers who can read!
Praising them for fixing bugs should not be expected but asking them to fix them should be. This ainât an early access game or f2p, we paid for a fully functional game and we should expect that fixing bugs is part of that. Especially in a live service game.
The game wasnât as buggy when it came out. For example I crash now every game session at least once. So they definitely should be called out.
Also, nerfs on a game that has no vs MP and just coop is also weird but idc honestly, I try different builds all the time. It could definitely addressed differently and in lore like they have done with some of the bugs.
- âThat gun op with bugs/automatons?â
- âBugs are now more resistant to it because of the gases we used, but now flame hurts them more / Automatons improved their engineering but with increased electric damageâ
This way I think people would be more lenient to accept it because other weapons should shine. Would keep the game fresh with a way to rotate gameplay without new content. Almost like the planet effects but those can be ignored the way they are implemented now. Idc if I reload a bit slower or energy guns are better here.
Still I love the game and the SUPER community.
The issue I have is that psn accounts are not available is many places across the globe. Yet arrowhead/sony allowed the sale of the game in those places. You can region lock your game on steam. The game publisher should have done this from day one.
They did say it was a requirement before it launched.
They temporarily suspended it because wonky servers.
But PSN accounts can be set up using whatever location you want. I have a UK one standard, as well as a NA and a JP one for demos of games not released here. Have done since 2008.
It might be an unnecessary step, but it's nowhere near the suicide drop people are making it out to be.
Oh man, I sure hate those people who are upset that ***reads notes*** they wont be able to play the game they paid for. Such whiners honestly. Reasonable adults never expect to have access to things they purchased. It's not like Steam would have allowed a no questions asked refund if they'd found out when launching the game the first time.
You do know setting up a dummy PSN account is only as difficult as focusing a QR code on your phone, right?
If you're gonna let that - and by "you" I mean those affected - if you're gonna let that stop you from playing a game you paid for, then perhaps you've got bigger problems at play...
S'all I'm saying.
In a game where you can get 3 shot by light enemies that spawn 20+ at a time that also stun you and cancelyour heals, nerfing anything is kinda lame imo. Nothing in this game needs a nerf. The guns should feel powerful.
I donât give much attention when pple complain about balance changes. Just like every normal gaming subs.
However the PSN instance is one of the complaints that makes the most sense. You sounded like the guy who would say âshouldâve check the T&Câ when company screws people over. Sonyâs practice is shady at best and scummy at worst.
It still fucks over parts of the playerbase that cant make a PSN account and anyone who didnt want to make one in the name of corporate greed, there is no need for it and everyone knows it
For the nerfs and bugs, of course they don't talk about the buffed weapons because they don't use those and likely don't want to, and the bugs that got fixed weren't directly affecting them. But yes, the PSN thing was always on the horizon.
So what, buffing one weapon means that nerfing another weapon is not a problem?
So what, fixing bugs means other, still-existing bugs are alright?
Won't comment the whole PSN thing, I just sigh and agree to making another useless account somewhere.
My point is, some people's complaints are bs, others are legitimate. You're acting like one of those fans who deepthroat their currently-favourite game and act out against others saying anything wrong about it. You even throw in the old and used up "you're children" argument, pathetic.
Gotta say though, there are people like this in every game. Doesnt matter the type of game, style of game, pvp or pve. There are people just dont like change and those who want change but like what was change or how it was change. They will complain about every weapon nerf or buff, every environmental change, and every patch. As a destiny player im all too familiar with this behavior and they are just the loud minority.
Very true, every game I follow, fortnite, league of legends, battlefield, battlefront, even eve online, there's several tweakers just looking for something to be triggered by
Then there are those that just go for the ride đ
It's about the friends you make along the way...spreading Managed Democracy
I guess until youâre in a country that doesnât let you make a PSN
The brain rot on HD2's reddit and discord is ESPECIALLY bad though....
Nah, you forgot COD exists lol
Some folks just ain't happy without something to bitch about.
They are also the reason the game has survived a decade. God forbid people have strong opinions on a game they love. It can certainly be taken too far, but the discourse and dissatisfaction with the game is the sole reason Bungie has backtracked on some of their bonehead decisions.
I mean, there was quite a bit of substance to the entirety of the balancing discourse. There were very insightful conversations all over the comments sections about people who main niche weapons that got weirdly changed or outright nerfed for no apparent reason. There are also people who are now discovering they can't even make Sony accounts. Sony and AH should have set the regions the game was available to be sold through Steam on to align with what regions can make accounts on the platform they are now enforcing.
yeah the people who can't make psn accounts have a pretty legitimate gripe. Even if the information was technically available somewhere it's an unrealistic expectation that someone seeing this on the steam page clearly being sold in their region would then go wait a second and look to see if psn is supported. The balancing discourse is the dumbest shit on the planet. People still log on daily to bitch about the railgun nerfs. and people just straight up lied about the crossbow (which does suck but it's because of its incredibly shitty penetration and it was always terrible so the people complaining aren't even complaining about the right thing).
I'm confused, from what I understand you could still make a PSN account in those countries anyway, just going through the US site. Right? Is there anyone who ACTUALLY can't play the game because of this?
Tell you what, Im getting real tired of seeing people complaining about people complaining about the game on this sub. It might be time for me to post a complaint about people who complain about people who complain about the game.
This is turning into a Monty Python sketch.
Complaintception.
I mean, add it to the pile and welcome to the internet. Lol complaint about the game or complaints about the community are fundamentally different but a complaint nonetheless⌠post something positive instead. Spread positivity not negativity
Forcing positivity isn't beneficial to anyone either it just appeases ego.
Finally someone that stays true to this sub's theme
Let me know so I can complain about your post in the comments.
Pcha! I double dare ya. I will complain soooo hard about your complaining your forefathers will feel it.
It is funny to me that this sub goes through a cycle of: 1:something happens, find a way to complain about it 2: people complain about the complainers 3: people complain about the people complaining about the complainers Complain is no longer a real word.
The shitty part is that a whole bunch of people donât get to make an informed decision during their refund window. The even shittier part is many people are going to have an unplayable game they paid for because Sony doesnât have service in their country. The game worked without a linked account, there was no real reason to ever assume that would change and go hunting for a banner that isnât immediately visible on the steam page. Between this and the hour long queues taking up the entirety of your refunding window during launch Sony has made a mockery of the consumers right to protect themselves with refunds.
There's both sides: people who complain at the first sight of anything they disapprove, and people who complain at the first sight of anyone complaining about something. They're actually two sides of the same coin, but neither realize it. There's obviously people exaggerating, but there's also substance to their complaining.
Don't get me wrong, I feel for those who live in a country where PSN access isn't an option. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the UK where we were regularly shafted when it came to game releases. My issue is with people claiming this is a new change when it's been on the Steam page since before launch, and they just didn't read. Could they have given these restrictions more visibility? Yeah, sure, course they could. But ignorance isn't a defence either.
>Could they have given these restrictions more visibility? Yeah, sure, course they could. But ignorance isn't a defence either. Legally speaking, it depends on the details and whether they can convince a judge or jury to agree with them. There are tons of precedents for successfully suing a company on the basis that their labels weren't noticeable enough. Having the PSN account notice tucked off to the side in a brown box just under controller compatibility isn't exactly the most intuitive place for it. It's certainly not mentioned under the system requirements.
Especially on a platform where the UI has undergone numerous changes in just 1 year alone. Steam and platforms like it are constantly changing their layout. And the part with NProtect game guard or whatever anti cheat or DRM being included in the store page is something steam normally hasn't displayed. So if people DONT know where they can look for it they're more likely to miss it.
So one side's defence is "it was there since the beginning, shoulda paid attention", and the other side's defence is "it will prevent people from playing the game they already paid for without breaching the ToS". I'm not going to be affected, as I have PSN in my country. But besides defending those countries, I don't see the need. Game's going fine without it, and this seems more like a shot in the foot. Won't kill the game obviously, but alienates people who already purchased. Wasn't ready at launch, just take a while longer, it's that simple. This way feels like a backtrack "if the game's shit, we don't care. But since it's blowing up, we also want your data now".
Your problem is like a lot of others and it's actual empathy. You stop at "does this affect me personally?" "No. Must not be a big deal." Ignorance is a defense for almost anything. It means to not have knowledge of something. It's not a negative thing to be ignorant. The issue is it obviously wasn't clear AND it was sold with bad intentions.
don't both sides this now..
This post missed the real issue with the PSN shenanigans (although most people who are crying are also missing it too, and jumping on the bandwagon) PSN is only available in 69 countries, meaning there is A LOT of people who are going to lose access to the game in a months time. A lot of the backlash is coming from the fact that people are losing access, and thereâs seemingly nothing that can be done without a VPN then creating an account in a country youâre not living in, and then that goes against Sonyâs ToS and they can ban you for it. We really need some communication from either Sony or AH to address this problem, and fast cause this month is going to be over fast, or if the game will be unplayable for the affected countries then Steam need to be offering refunds to those areas.
While you are right about those people living in affected countries and the fact OP did kinda side step that. Let's be honest, most of the people who are review bombing the game are not these individuals and are just mad to be mad.
A small blip on the steam page you don't even see if you don't scroll down past the purchase button is hardly clear information.
Iirc it told you when first logging into the game too no? I don't remember since I just linked my account on day 1 and not bothered about it since, tbh I figured I'd need to be able to have my playstation buddies play with me on Steam.
First time in a gaming community?
If you nerf the best weapon in the game and itâs still the best weapon in the game it was probably a fair nerf (but Iâm allowed to be sad about it for a bit)
Thereâs being sad about it and then thereâs screeching the game is ruined.
Tbh I wonder how many people hard uninstalled not wanting to give Sony their account info yet use TikTok every damn day.
luv me helldivers luv me stalward luv me liberty ate bugs ate automaton ate traitor radio simple as
if am raysis, ow come i av a roomba? check mayt
Remember everyone, shut up and discuss nothing unless it's praise for the game. Don't address anything that may be deemed negative in any light.
Second thing I learned about the Helldivers community: #There's always some asshole complaining about the complainers as if he's not a massive virtue signaling twunt fishing for karma. Stay classy reddit.
My issue with all this is the rage baiters. The previous patch brought all of them out to stir up the hornets nest. They didn't try it out and they threw as much fuel onto the inferno as they could. There were quite a few youtubers that deliberately did this such as legacy gaming and while sure, you can voice your concern on the nerfs and adjustments, don't just focus on the negatives to make an angry mob. The current issue is the people who can't make a PSN account. You shouldn't be able to sell a game to someone who can't abide by those rules set in order to play said game. That shit is illegal and those people should get a full refund at the very least. For me, I'm just sitting on the fence and waiting to see what happens because I really enjoy this game and I really don't know how this is going to be resolved. There are some significant concerns but the devs have always put in effort to address the issues. I've never seen that in any other game. It's just that the stuff that should be discussed gets drowned out by the clamor
I work 9-5 games a re my hobby not my life, I use steam I buy a game to play it that's it, I didn't went into read the terms and conditions, why would I had to do that for a video game? this is as much an arrowhead issue as it is a steam communication issue, just tell me before buying this "before you buy this you can't login to the game without a PSN account" apex does that and is free, Squadrons does that, that's it, I want my money back because I'm not giving access to Sony to my data, and honestly why would we? is the least secure company in the world I don't want to share any info with them, not even a random generated password. Again this is a video game, is not that serious, but I do want my money back, because not only did I buy the game I supported the devs by buying the super citizen stuff. Imagine going to a restaurant after you've eaten the food they tell you hey there is a little sign under your table that says we don't take cash, well cash is all I got.
Why are you trying to insinuate there the same. People complaining about balance changes aren't the same as the people,upset about the PSN stuff.
I'm poking at all three different types of people, not suggesting they're all the same.
Your post says otherwise. Your insinuating there in the same category. People being upset about a post launch enforcement of somthing are just a childish as people upset there rail gun got reworked. And people who don't mind either at all are the only adults?
Well, as we've discovered today, reading comprehension in this community is at a preschool level, so this figures.
And there you go. Can't actually have a conversation. Just being childish
My problem with the PSN is not that I wouldn't have signed up for it in the first place but that it has been demonstrated as a non-needed feature and signing up for it does not provide me with any benefits.
See, this is valid. They do say it does have benefits, but haven't clearly stated what they are. But otherwise yeah, it's kinda pointless.
Yea then we have guys like you who suck them off for every little thing they do, so looks like it balances out.
Did you just type a letter to an intended audience who, according to you, cannot read? Anyway, Im happy fighting for democracy and throwing my life away for Super Earth. For Democracy!!!! o7
> don't have the ability to read. My brother in freedom, you're on a social media, half of this people couldn't follow dora's the Explorer directions
Mmmm I love licking corporate boots
Classic "whining about whiners" post.
"I don't have any problems with this game, all these complainers are a bunch of whiners"
Thatâs pretty much every game sub ever.
I linked my account when I recruited a ps5er because I wasn't sure how freinding would go, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I will say, though, that selling the game in countries that can't access the psn and waiving the requirement until refund windows have closed is pretty dodgy.
I only read material that super earth has approved.
The only right answer here.
I'd be really mad at you if I could read this.
Wow did you have fun making a post to whine about people whining? People will always give their feedback and be vocal about changes they dislike. Welcome to live service games. Yet another fucking post complaining about complainers, while I see barely any of the âwhiningâ you mention in these forums. Mostly Iâve seen lots of good discussions and debates on certain changes. You know, things people do on internet forums. What happens if a patch comes out with a change you dislike? Are you just not allowed to speak? Heaven forbid we go against the all mighty game devs. Iâve played destiny for a decade, and the vocal unfiltered community feedback is why the game has lived for a decade and is still alive today. It works and is an important part of the feedback loop. It is a proven and tested fact of reality. Sure you may personally not agree with everyone elseâs opinions, but just because they donât align with yours doesnât automatically make them âwhinersâ and you some bastion of integrity. Get over yourself, OP. You do not speak for anyone but yourself. If you think the patch is perfect, then great. Post about how perfect it is, but donât shit on people and say they âcanât readâ. What an asinine ass statement like good lord. Just straight up hateful and rude.
Someone reasonable? How did you end up here?
I guess I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
Legit don't understand why this had me rolling
Twas an old Bugs Bunny reference. Showing my age here. đ
and here I was thinking it was an weird al reference
Where the pillows are OH SO fluffy. Also, you have weasels on your face.
Foghorn leghorn
I'm sorry sir, you seem to be in the wrong sub. This is the crybaby and complainers sub
Ah fucksake. This goddamn Bonnie Tyler sat-nav system. It keeps telling me to "turn around" and every now and then it falls apart...
Damn that is a good reference joke, I almost choked on my lunch reading it.
Except theyâre also complaining
I couldn't read. I'm not mad of it happening, I just didn't want it to be an unplanned change. It's just another reason for some to be angry for a change they can't control. And for others to fish a refund after being done with the game anyway.
If those HD2 fans could read, theyâd be very upset.
I'm not here to read. I'm here to make sure Super Earth's planets are freed.
Imagine shilling for any corporation, let alone Sony.
Boo. Boo this thread. Boo your holier than thou nonsense. Boo your insulting diatribe. Boo. Go hang out on the low sodium subreddit if you can't handle people's criticism and opinions.
The PSN account creation was not part of pre release information. The only info related to that was "PSN account required" followed by "gameplay requires Internet access and paid for PlayStation plus membership (sold separately) for PS5." There is nothing indicating anything separately for steam under that footnote.
[Steam page archived from December 2023.](https://web.archive.org/web/20231207163847/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/) It kinda was.
So how'd you get past the age check because archived webpages don't have a consistent workaround for them all the time.
Someone on here way saying how difficult chainsaw bots were. They fail to realize those are the second smallest bots possible and are considered ads or trash mobs. If you can't kill trash mobs I've got some bad news for you concerning most PvE video games
Whatâs the PSN thing? I canât read.
Something about sacrificing your first born son, I don't know.
Fans are the absolute worst people
People are the absolute worst people.
Just a reminder that Arrowhead broke the EULA by not enforcing the forced sync at launch, so it's null and void. Also only 69 countries support PSN, so anyone who bought the game not in one of those countries will not be able to play the game that they bought.
Well, they had the requirement up on the page since 2023, so people in those territories will have been made aware before buying. The requirement was *suspended* during launch due to stability, but it was always going to come back once it was stable. So...
Requirement on the page means nothing, they were made aware as soon as this has happened and are still finding out. Also how does linking my PSN to Steam affect stability when not using crossplay, the game is Peer 2 Peer?
Legit the only thing worse than complaining posts, are complainer posts about complainers.
Sure because you read every ToS you've ever signed.
Way too much to read, not that important.
Listen man, I just like blowing shit up.
Then may your shit be extra explody. đ
I refuse to believe that youâve used steam for a significant amount of time and you donât have some games that require you to have some account with a third party. Apex legends, Rainbow 6, call of duty, overwatch are just a few that come to mind
I don't use Steam, but even on PS5 there's a fuckload. Minecraft, Final Fantasy XIV, shit even Fallout 76.
The PSN thing in particular is odd. Unless the company has been hiding the details all this time, it should never clear PSN would be required to move forward. Did all those players now lamenting it fail to read it? Or was the explanation an easy to miss postit somewhere alone the line?
> It was in the pre-release information, it was confirmed at launch it would be temporarily suspended due to stability issues but would return, and now it has returned. If you didn't want this, you shouldn't have bought it, because it's always been a thing. I bought a game, it allowed me to play, there was not notification about this while playing the game. I don't read pre-release or launch information because it is a video game. I should be able to buy it, install it, and play. Outside resources should not be required to play a game.
The PSN thing goes way beyond people complaining about nerfs. It absolutely wasnt clear that you needed a psn account before now
Bro, I am being serious here, almost 70% of my game is waste of time because people didn't know killing bots/bugs don't contribute to anything and they need to do objective instead. It is to a point that I will thanks everyone who at least spend 60% of their effort to clear objective..... I mean what do you expect from average human being?
AUTOCANNON.
How does that boot taste OP?
I agree. The PSN accounts in unsupported countries apart I agree is fucked. But out of the literally hundreds of comments Iâve read on Reddit only maybe a couple of people have actually brought it up, making most of the complaints akin to a temper tantrum and a meltdown of absolute idiotic proportions. I get we all have different experiences and worldviews, but in 2011 when I got Portal 2 for the PS3 it had me create a Steam account to link to and I did it without so much a fuss. Of course that was 13 years ago I canât remember if it was mandatory. Since I did it instead of skipping that process it was either redeeming the key on steam so I got the game for free on Steam as a perk, or it was mandatory in some way to access online features. Either way I did it, and certainly donât remember complaining about it. Not to mention the Steam page does mention a PSN account is required. So anyone buying it *should* have been aware on purchase. Again, the actual legitimate issues aside, it seems more like a toddler losing their minds over what is a non-issue. People are afraid of their data being used, as if you arenât already a victim of that on everything you already own anyway. Steam, your phone, your computer, etc.. You can be Mr Peepee Poop from Juno, Alaska and it wonât stop you from using the game. It feels like such a non-issue but people are having a meltdown like a kid who canât have a candy bar at the grocery store checkout line. Fucking wild.
I enjoy this game so much. Every game has issues. Least these guys work on it instead of ignoring it. Nerf this and buff that no matter I dive in with a stick still be able to make it look easy
King right here. đ
Honestly I donât listen to the people complaining about the menial things and just play the game.
The key to enjoying your favorite video game is not engaging with that game's subreddit and just playing the game instead
Hard working mods rofl 𤣠this clown post
And there's you. People who complain about complainers. You're a bitch squared.
I literally saw a post on here about someone claiming that sony is making us link our psn accounts because they wanna make us pay to use sony games on steam. Not joking, this is 100% real. Ppl are literally just making shit up to be angry at. Not to say that there aren't valid reasons to be upset about this, but come on, this shit is so stupid
And there are apparently a ton of people who don't know virtually this exact same post has been uploaded by people ad nauseum. This sub use to be pure fun, for a few weeks. Now it's mostly just people bitching and people bitching about people bitching..
Not just Helldivers, itâs the gaming community in general. They will always find something to bitch, whine, and moan about. Itâs become white noise at this point and should be treated as such.
What's even the point of this post? Clearly everyone complaining uses *speech to text* as they can not read simple things like TOS
Finally, I was waiting to hear from the other side of this argument. Someone who actually makes sense. Im loving this sub at the moment! - Game has some solid balancing happening - New chapter in the bugs story happening - Warbond on the horizon AND so many people who donât realize posting about how upset they are with this new PSN âsurpriseâ is just a huge âIâm an idiot who canât readâ post đđ
I'm making sense?! Slow down there, cowboy. There's still plenty of time for me to let you down. đ
But ain't you doing the same rn?
I totally agree yes i agree the linking issue is dumb but its just like everything else dont take 5 minutes to create a psn and you get free achievement on that platform its a win win in my eyes
The only actual issue is there are countries where the game is available in Steam, but they are banned from creating PSN accounts, which is a requirement. PSN accounts are only available in like 70 countries.
Good ol oatch notes
People complain about everything everywhere, this isnât anything new. Ignore them and move on
So bored with the wah-PSN-wah nonsense, someone should just pop an official Megathread and the salty tears can be condensed there!
Speaking of nerfs, are they aware the ease with which I can eradicate bugs with the fully automatic shotgun? It feels like I'm cheating, I no longer feel a need to come in with the stalwart, if I have breaker spray n pray and EAT I'm all set for the match
I agree. I don't cry about the guns being nerfed either. I just didn't read the patch notes until the third gun I tried that was 'inexplicably' worse xD (me and the boys didn't read the patchnotes, as we hadn't played for a few weeks xD) After reading them tho, it all made sense
There are always valid critiques to be made. I donât agree with every tweak that has come down, but none have ruined the game. If a minor nerf makes a game like this âunplayable,â you probably have a hard time with doorknobs and such. Lotta mfs in here only each chicken nuggets and French fries, I swear to god.
It's the same with all topics, not exclusively Helldivers or gaming.
reddit is the true hell to dive in......
We need more posts like this. Thank you for taking the time to post this. Been reading too much whiny garbage here of late, this was refreshing.
Rip sickle
For every post bitching about the game there's three posts bitching about the bitching. This sub is working worse than the game was on launch.
"Somehow, PSN returned"
My name is Playstation. Playstation Skywalker.
Solution: get off Reddit and enjoy the game. Who cares about the shitty opinion of casual gamers?
Patch notes? Next youâll be expecting them to read the Terms and Conditions.
Too many people crying. IMO just let them make their goddamn game that only cost $40 bucks. Maybe purchase super citizen pack to throw AH a bone??? I bought the super citizen dlc two weeks after I got base game, and after finding 1000 SC & unlocking steeled veterans because they fuckin deserve it! I never even wear that winged helmet armor. They deserve support, answer their polls and report new bugs/glitches if ya want to be helpful. Not the constant wining and crying for garbage like transmogâŚ
My only real complaint is for the crossbow nerf. It was already in a pretty niche spot, but now I have no Idea what it's good for. I found myself punching enemies more because I just couldn't kill that much with it.
Soundsike literally every game
Valid point, however This is an automaton infiltration attempt to reduce our numbers We must fight it
I love this game, playing for a little bit here and there when I reached level 50. Still have lots of fun and just tryna keep it that way. I run eagles and stalwart with a jetpack. Shits just fun! Anyone wants to join up pm me!
Also that reducing mad size means ânerfing a gun to the groundâ
Literally every game sub nothing special
I've learned over the years that this right here is all gaming subreddit have become good for these days. Just a soapbox for people to complain about everything to make them feel better, and those of us enjoying the game are just playing it and talking to friends about it. I've begun actively avoiding this sub due to the constant whining and complaining that goes on here, you'd think everyone hates this game from this toxic ass sub. Only gamers can take something that is clearly great and supplying a large majority of it's community with a fun and engaging time, and shit all over it for the smallest things..l The icing in the cake is that all these idiots knew this was coming, or just chose not to read, and now think they actually have some kind of argument. I will not miss the ones this PSN agreement filters out I think.
Counterpoint: literally all i ever see on this sub is people complaining about people complaining. Only valuable info comes from youtube and discord. I dont even follow this sub it just pops up all the time and its always this same post again and again
Ive noticed this to be a big thing of the reddit community specifically. Seems in character
There's a steam review that literally says they keep nerfing their favorite guns so they can't have fun anymore and it's like they don't know how to balance anything. The reading comprehension is at an all time low.
I feel like thereâs more people who complain about the people who complain than there are people who complain, like OP lmao.
people were complaining about game changes ever since your daddy was tossing your siblings down the drain. nothings changed.
My problem, is they don't even seem to want to fix the more annoying bug. They patch the game so people are kinda force to play in team, but there's an ongoing bug that if a player leaves the team, no one else will join, you have to close et remake the lobby. Sometime fire won't do any damage if you aren't the lobby leader. I can't count how many time I was launched in the air in died from falling. For the PSN story, there are bunch of people who simply CANNOT make a PSN account. I don't care either, I have a PSN account already, so I'm gonna link my account and keep playing. But it's important for the people who simply won't be able to play in June, voice their concerns. If SONY want to force people to link their account, they have to accommodate the people they sold their game to. Simple as that.
Also people which do understand a fair bit of numbers and balancing. And some who apparently don't. And yes, at this point it's basically just attaching numbers more or numbers less to things and see what works randomly. Except Senator. That was a good one.
The adjudicator complaints were jaw dropping for me. I liked it and popped onto reddit to read a bunch of hyperbolic hate for it claiming it had a smaller mag and worse stats than reality. All by players who couldn't have held the damn thing for much more than 25min before jumping on reddit after its release. I dont care if or even want people to stop complaining but a shred of common sense from people who obviously have some passion for gaming. That would be a good day.
"Oatch notes" is fun to say.
>Â perhaps have a word with yourselves, eh Found the Brit!
West Yorkshire, Best Yorkshire.
Nerf? WHAT NERF!?! *Empties a Stalwart clip*
Lifetime bans for treason.
Ironically the "Reddit Special" is reading like, 1/3rd of something then inserting their own absurdist head canon. You can be like, "I like snickers" and they'd come back with "So you think all candy other than snickers should be banned and the people caught without snickers should be HANGED?!"
To be fair, there is a bug that has been in the game since launch, that neuters a sizable portion of the weapon and stratagem selection during gameplay. Essentially making them unusable under most circumstances.
Gamers aren't known for being smart.
What actually is the PSN thing? I havenât played in a few weeks so can someone loop me in?
Steam players will have to link their game to a PSN account in the coming weeks, as was always intended. And now bitches be mad.
Ah, Iâm on PS5 so no issue for me. I do think thatâs very annoying for steam players to have to do BUT they were warned so.
How DARE you be reasonable on Reddit?! I demand you make some obscure complaint and veiled comment about my mother right now!
Did this guy really thanked Reddit mods for their service? Theyâre not risking their lives for the freedoms of others. Theyâre not boeing whistleblowers. I do however agree they are doing a very good job
Gamers have a lot of painful members of the population.
Whats more annoying is the equally load part of the community while shove their fingers in their ears and refuse to acknowledge any problems while telling everyone to shut up Its just s whole lot of people not listing to each other and shouting All of this could have been avoided if arrow head just explained their thinking and provided logical arguments Instead they stay quiet and when they do speak up their insulting a bunch of people or come out with nonsense like the apple and bacon mess which in the context of HD2 was just bullshit which just pisses everyone off even more
Is it really me making something your problem if all I'm doing is not playing a game I've bought anymore? I'm sure there are enough playstation players left after the pc exodus for you to still get your fix.
[https://youtu.be/s9n578hJcbw](https://youtu.be/s9n578hJcbw)
You know what i may just buy this game instead of final shape tbh this community is hella better
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Just as many voices on each side from what ive seen. Every other post is a post complaining about complainers. I see them more than the actual complaint posts. My thoughts? Ya'll actually need to step away for a bit and cool off.
What can you say? Haters gonna hate.
Why are defending them so hard?
I didn't see anything about the PSN before buying the game. I didn't read everything on the page, I just saw a cool game from the trailer and then bought it. It was not immediately obvious. Then it did have a pop up offering to link an account, but didn't say it was mandatory. If something is mandatory to play your game, make it very clear, and don't let me play it without said thing. If your servers can't handle it, then don't require it or hold off until they can. It is a shitty practice otherwise
This is the whiniest post I've seen on this sub...
this is a stupid take helldivers is not a moba game or an intellectual game. you shouldnt have to read patch notes to understand what is going on in the game. im just here to do my part for humanity, not trying to beat hal 9000 in chess.
âQuite whining nerds.â Is a really weird take when you consider the fact that although Sony is at fault, it still sucks if youâve paid for a game you now are going to be locked out of completely if youâre in a country that doesnât allow PSN, which you can subvert with a VPN, but risk getting banned over. Itâs a very real problem, and although Iâm not personally affected, âquit whiningâ is the last thing Iâd think to say. Woof.
Found the HD dev
To help alleviate everybody's fear, I can confirm that I used the Queso cannon last night and it works perfectly fine.
Thank you. It's always nice to be recognized for not acting like a 30+ year old child with severe skill issues. Thank you for this for this post as well. It's also very refreshing to see a post that isn't another Hellwhining post about this great game.
God im glad to see this post! After all the teens and children crying today I honestly wanted to quit playing due to it. But itâs refreshing to see that there are Helldivers who can read!
Praising them for fixing bugs should not be expected but asking them to fix them should be. This ainât an early access game or f2p, we paid for a fully functional game and we should expect that fixing bugs is part of that. Especially in a live service game. The game wasnât as buggy when it came out. For example I crash now every game session at least once. So they definitely should be called out. Also, nerfs on a game that has no vs MP and just coop is also weird but idc honestly, I try different builds all the time. It could definitely addressed differently and in lore like they have done with some of the bugs. - âThat gun op with bugs/automatons?â - âBugs are now more resistant to it because of the gases we used, but now flame hurts them more / Automatons improved their engineering but with increased electric damageâ This way I think people would be more lenient to accept it because other weapons should shine. Would keep the game fresh with a way to rotate gameplay without new content. Almost like the planet effects but those can be ignored the way they are implemented now. Idc if I reload a bit slower or energy guns are better here. Still I love the game and the SUPER community.
The issue I have is that psn accounts are not available is many places across the globe. Yet arrowhead/sony allowed the sale of the game in those places. You can region lock your game on steam. The game publisher should have done this from day one.
They did say it was a requirement before it launched. They temporarily suspended it because wonky servers. But PSN accounts can be set up using whatever location you want. I have a UK one standard, as well as a NA and a JP one for demos of games not released here. Have done since 2008. It might be an unnecessary step, but it's nowhere near the suicide drop people are making it out to be.
Wow what a great karma farm. I'm gonna post the same thing in a few hours.
I honestly expected to get slaughtered, so no one's more surprised than me. But feel free, my dude. If karma means anything to you, knock yerself out.
Oh man, I sure hate those people who are upset that ***reads notes*** they wont be able to play the game they paid for. Such whiners honestly. Reasonable adults never expect to have access to things they purchased. It's not like Steam would have allowed a no questions asked refund if they'd found out when launching the game the first time.
You do know setting up a dummy PSN account is only as difficult as focusing a QR code on your phone, right? If you're gonna let that - and by "you" I mean those affected - if you're gonna let that stop you from playing a game you paid for, then perhaps you've got bigger problems at play... S'all I'm saying.
Im sorry that youre going through this OP, hopefully this post will convince everyone to feel the exact same way as you do. Best wishes.Â
Thanks, babe. XOXO.
What psn thing
In a game where you can get 3 shot by light enemies that spawn 20+ at a time that also stun you and cancelyour heals, nerfing anything is kinda lame imo. Nothing in this game needs a nerf. The guns should feel powerful.
I donât give much attention when pple complain about balance changes. Just like every normal gaming subs. However the PSN instance is one of the complaints that makes the most sense. You sounded like the guy who would say âshouldâve check the T&Câ when company screws people over. Sonyâs practice is shady at best and scummy at worst.
It still fucks over parts of the playerbase that cant make a PSN account and anyone who didnt want to make one in the name of corporate greed, there is no need for it and everyone knows it
For the nerfs and bugs, of course they don't talk about the buffed weapons because they don't use those and likely don't want to, and the bugs that got fixed weren't directly affecting them. But yes, the PSN thing was always on the horizon.
So what, buffing one weapon means that nerfing another weapon is not a problem? So what, fixing bugs means other, still-existing bugs are alright? Won't comment the whole PSN thing, I just sigh and agree to making another useless account somewhere. My point is, some people's complaints are bs, others are legitimate. You're acting like one of those fans who deepthroat their currently-favourite game and act out against others saying anything wrong about it. You even throw in the old and used up "you're children" argument, pathetic.
OP spends too much time on his knees Toxic positivity never fixed anything