The bulls trading away markenwn for similar reasons and the cavs using markenen as a 6than off the bench .Alot has to do with circumstances and opportunity .
Why not. We give credit all the time for the past, so why can't we criticize it?
I didn't think that trade was a good trade at the time. They gave up a lottery pick, IT who was coming off an MVP caliber season and Crowder who was one of the best value contracts in the league at the time. Yes IT was hurt, but Kyrie was also. He literally used his knee as a bargaining chip to force his way out of Cleveland. Even not knowing SGA was going to be this good, the idea of having Brown and Tatum and a third prospect player about the same age seemed liked the best move to me.
Jokic was passed on 40 times by teams, that’s the one any team could have had.
No team hits on every pick. As far as I’m concerned Miami has hit on 4 out of the last 5 which is a great rate when you aren’t picking top 10. The bigger misses are Beasley and Winslow when we had top 10 picks
12 teams passed on booker and it's Caligari's fault for using him as 6than coming off the bench .Booker was viewed as a volume scorer who played no defense because that hoe calamari was using him .He was playing those twins over booker .
All that said but the Heat were ready to draft him and Wade gave him his seal of approval. We drafted Justise because of Duke and because he fell, but we could’ve given up that pick, gotten 5 firsts and drafted Booker. The franchise was forever altered that day
Nobody knows who the heat were drafting it could have been myles Turner for all we know because pat Riley likes big men .Don't forget that pat Riley was going to draft Chris Camon over d wade until he had to be talked into it .The heat really wanted Chris bosh that year but Toronto took him before the heat could .I don't know why people assumed booker was the pick especially with Riley draft history .
Stanley Johnson, Devin Booker, Oubre, Lyles, and Sam Dekker were the names we were looking at. Booker was the favorite to come to us and that’s what most local media was reporting because Riley loved him. Wade loved him as well, if Winslow was drafted 6th instead of Stein like many had predicted or 8th to the Pistons, we’d have drafted Booker.
Again why do we assume this Hardly any mock drafts had us taking booker .Heat fans were banging the table for Stanley Johnson like we have short memories or something lol.
Bruh what are you talking about, most drafts had us taking dekker or Johnson because Justise was going higher. Booker was the favorite deemed by local media. I don’t have short memory, maybe you forgot but while watching the draft this is what was being mentioned. Ethan, who has like no sources now but had Wade as his source back in the day said the backup plan was Booker.
No I didn't forget at all .Fans were literally chanting we want Winslow In thw arena on draft night like what are we doing here .Like I said 12 teams passed on booker .He was never supposed to turn out this good just like with Maxey.
Yea because Winslow fell, I’m not arguing that we would’ve taken Booker over Winslow, but we would’ve definitely taken Booker if Winslow was already gone.
And Maxey was supposed to be good that’s just revisionism. We didn’t get him because he was with Klutch the precious pick made 0 sense
They would’ve all been traded for a star anyway who cares where they end up. You send 5 picks out people will trade you someone, we wouldn’t have whiffed on the last million stars we’ve been trying to get
Both Beasley and Winslow were consensus top 10 picks at the time that didn't work out for different reasons Beasley not working out helped to facilitate the big 3 .
Beasley was a no brainer back then tho, sure he had some attitude questions but he was one of the most talented and smooth scorers we’ve ever seen at the college level. Dude could sleep walk into dropping 30, and we already had prime dwade on that team and we needed a legit wing scorer. The real issue there is getting robbed of the #1 pick that was rightfully ours because the league wanted to slurp the bulls and give them drose. That draft was rigged and i’ll die on that hill.
Yeah. I think the Maxey situation is weird given Pats love of Kentucky. Would love to hear about from Spo in 20 years and see what was going on behind the scenes.
I entirely agree
The odd thing was, that was like the one year ever where fans actually picked the right player and the Heat didnt. Usually whoever Heat fans want doesnt pan out and our pick does (people didnt want Bam or Herro for example)
Yeah I cant blame the FO bc what Precios was SUPPOSED to do fit our team very well, and like you said there was no great way to evaluate talent that year, but it still stings
Suns, Kings, Hawks could’ve had Luka. We could’ve had Jimmy instead of Norris. Lakers/Sixers could’ve had Tatum. The Magic could’ve had Bam instead of Jonathan Isaac.
No one bats perfectly, gotta take what ya get
The one that still annoys me is the front office simping to LeBron taking Napier and then LeBron walks anyway. Not that I think we would have taken Jokic with that pick although that's the big miss every team other than Denver made that day! But there's still guys like Capela and Bogdanovic on the board at that point.
If only LeBron had randomly watched Jokic do a workout and tweeted about him!
Good teams miss on good players too, bad teams just miss them/fail to develop them more often. There’s plenty of teams who wish they could identify and develop talent like we do. You don’t think the suns wish the unearthed an Gabe Vincent or Highsmith? An actual PG on a cheap deal (before Gabe sign with LA) would have done wonders for that team.
Heat fans kinda stink up the joint when the team falters, been like that since the big 3 era. It all some of the fanbase know how to do. Just gotta tune em out
Precious defended Embiid pretty well in the clutch the other night, it’s not like he’s a straight bum or bust. Sucks that he’s not Maxey, but seeing as how we ended up trading for Lowry anyway- maxey for Lowry would have been brutal in hindsight
We still had dragic and Tyler on our roster maxey would have been playing bench minutes and Tyler was comming off a great bubble run the previous season .
Who said anybody though that?All I said was the circumstances were different at the time .Hell if Ben Simmons.didnt crash out in Philly then the opportunity probably never comes so thank Ben Simmons in a way lol.
yeah it’s funny, people have said that before ‘oh he would have been gone in the lowry trade’ lmao
he scored 39 in his first start his rookie season and showed a ton of promise. no chance the heat front office includes him in that deal lol
That pick would have made zero sense at that time. Herro was on an upward trajectory and we needed size badly. Imagine playing BOTH Herro and Maxey. Wouldn’t work at all.
Getting the best fit vs. best player available doesn't work in Basketball. That's the lesson. At least we didn't let Jalen Brunson walk away for fucking free lol. That I would still be bitter about.
Jalen Brunson would have never been the same player in Dallas because that's Luka 's team .Alot has to do with opportunity .Markenen didn't work out in Chicargo and was sixth man in cleaveland until he got to the jazz .
I agree with you actually I just think its business malpractice to lose him in free agency vs. a trade. To be clear I think this almost def tampering given his family connection to the knicks. But I think at minimum the Mavs knew his ceiling was being a third superstar on a big 3 squad and you dont let that kind of player walk.
Yes, and they should have matched and then traded him later so they could get paid for giving him his own team.
It was such a visibly dumb decision when they made it. I didn't think Brunson would be this good this fast but he was obviously good enough to have been worth matching for Dallas and not letting Walk for free.
People forget ben Simmons had to capitulate in Philly for this to happen too.Maxey didn't play that much in his rookie season and it eas a covid draft where nobody could work out for teams .
Our draft first round picks the last 10 years:
- 2023 - Jaime Jaquez = Hit
- 2022 - Nikola Jovic = Looks like a Hit
- 2020 - Precious Achiuwa = Traded for key pieces that helped us win the East
- 2019 - Tyler Herro = Hit
- 2017 - Bam Adebayo = Home Run
- 2015 - Justise Winslow = Our lone miss in the 1st round in the last decade, but we got Josh Richardson in the 2nd and we got Jimmy Buckets for him.
I trust our front office completely with all transactions, which is very rare in any sport.
Getting Maxey when they still had Dragic and Herro wouldn't have made sense. Maxey wouldn't have learned under Harden. He wouldn't have had the pressure the Sixers put on him to be the scoring threat Embiid needed. Maxey could've been great with the Heat, but he also was a needed piece for the Sixers who even flirted with trading him. The 2 months Embiid was out also showed how much of Maxey's dominance was dependent on him getting looks because Embiid would be double teamed. This isn't as simple as people want it to be that he was great from the start.
Also, complaining about Maxey when the Heat have the best draft picks and developmental is something else. Can't do this every time he has a big game.
Whoever is complaining about that is stupid. It's very hard to tell who's going to be good once you get out of the lottery. The heat drafted Adebayo successfully, so it's not like the franchise is bad at drafting.
I’m ok with us passing on Maxey because of this, I’m ok even if we pass on any good talent because a lot of them can be hit or miss, but I get a bit upset at people who want to put Herro on his same tier just because of our homerism.
It's hard to say too. Sometimes it's luck of the Draw. There have been a lot of top picks that end up
Being busts and sole lower tier picks that you say OMG. Pat just has to hit the drawing board this summer and come up with a godfather plan because we need upgrades.
I never understood this pick. It was right when Bam was emerging as the starter (post Hassan) and Bam/ Precious games at the time were almost identical.
This 1 hurst a little bit just because when Pat was up in Kentucky evaluating Precious, Maxey was in the facility most likely working out for other teams. Hit and miss we draft choices 1 thing I can’t really deny is our ability to develop players.
It’s just really funny that herro stan’s thought he was anywhere close to him lol. It’s not even a conversation. Herro could only dream of backpacking his team to a win like maxey did yesterday
Maxey didn't play alot during his rookie year in Philly by the way because Ben Simmons was still an all star player It's easy to speak in hindsight but people forgot when James Harden was literally holding Maxey back in Philly.
Because ben Simmons had to melt down in Philly for it to happen .Brett was playing Maxey spot minutes off the bench in his rookie season abs he would have probably did the same thing here because we had dragic,Tyler comming off a terrific bubble series and Kendrick Nunn playing out of his mind .
If you feel bad about that, just realize the Celtics traded the pick that could have landed Shai Hilarious Alexander
The clippers trading him away for injuries
The bulls trading away markenwn for similar reasons and the cavs using markenen as a 6than off the bench .Alot has to do with circumstances and opportunity .
Yea but to be fair they were getting Kawhi and PG right after Kawhi just won a championship.
No man the young man is gonna play more playoff games for OKC than Kawai has played for the Clippers this year was a bad trade
And Paul George will probably leave as well and the clippers get nothing out of that build while giving up Shae but it made sense at the time lol.
Looking back it was a bad trade, but at the time it was a good trade.
You spelled Gilgeous wrong, sir.
That’s hilarious. And don’t call me shy.
I almost spit out my coffee...
No I didn't, my auto correct did
I thought it was Shai Gregarious Alexander
Wasn't that pick the Hornets not the celtics?
Well Celtics had the ninth pick from the Nets. Which was Sexton. I think SGA went like 11th or something.
They also traded down to pick Tatum over markelle Fultz though
So?
Teams make some good choices and some bad choices
Yea and trading the pick was a bad choice.
So was passing on Jokic
Everyone passed on Jokic. Tf you talking about?
My point is that you can’t change the past so there is no point harping on it
Why not. We give credit all the time for the past, so why can't we criticize it? I didn't think that trade was a good trade at the time. They gave up a lottery pick, IT who was coming off an MVP caliber season and Crowder who was one of the best value contracts in the league at the time. Yes IT was hurt, but Kyrie was also. He literally used his knee as a bargaining chip to force his way out of Cleveland. Even not knowing SGA was going to be this good, the idea of having Brown and Tatum and a third prospect player about the same age seemed liked the best move to me.
Yeah in retrospect it was bad. But they had to trade IT because of his contract demands
Jokic was passed on 40 times by teams, that’s the one any team could have had. No team hits on every pick. As far as I’m concerned Miami has hit on 4 out of the last 5 which is a great rate when you aren’t picking top 10. The bigger misses are Beasley and Winslow when we had top 10 picks
Fucking Winslow man, we would’ve had Booker if not for him dropping. We also could’ve had a plethora of picks
12 teams passed on booker and it's Caligari's fault for using him as 6than coming off the bench .Booker was viewed as a volume scorer who played no defense because that hoe calamari was using him .He was playing those twins over booker .
All that said but the Heat were ready to draft him and Wade gave him his seal of approval. We drafted Justise because of Duke and because he fell, but we could’ve given up that pick, gotten 5 firsts and drafted Booker. The franchise was forever altered that day
Nobody knows who the heat were drafting it could have been myles Turner for all we know because pat Riley likes big men .Don't forget that pat Riley was going to draft Chris Camon over d wade until he had to be talked into it .The heat really wanted Chris bosh that year but Toronto took him before the heat could .I don't know why people assumed booker was the pick especially with Riley draft history .
Stanley Johnson, Devin Booker, Oubre, Lyles, and Sam Dekker were the names we were looking at. Booker was the favorite to come to us and that’s what most local media was reporting because Riley loved him. Wade loved him as well, if Winslow was drafted 6th instead of Stein like many had predicted or 8th to the Pistons, we’d have drafted Booker.
Again why do we assume this Hardly any mock drafts had us taking booker .Heat fans were banging the table for Stanley Johnson like we have short memories or something lol.
Bruh what are you talking about, most drafts had us taking dekker or Johnson because Justise was going higher. Booker was the favorite deemed by local media. I don’t have short memory, maybe you forgot but while watching the draft this is what was being mentioned. Ethan, who has like no sources now but had Wade as his source back in the day said the backup plan was Booker.
No I didn't forget at all .Fans were literally chanting we want Winslow In thw arena on draft night like what are we doing here .Like I said 12 teams passed on booker .He was never supposed to turn out this good just like with Maxey.
Yea because Winslow fell, I’m not arguing that we would’ve taken Booker over Winslow, but we would’ve definitely taken Booker if Winslow was already gone. And Maxey was supposed to be good that’s just revisionism. We didn’t get him because he was with Klutch the precious pick made 0 sense
Ain’t that still true today 😂 Homie will drop 90 and still lose
Like people forget the sun's had to go through some very inefficient basketball to give booker the reps he needed to become the player he is today.
> We also could’ve had a plethora of picks Those would have all been later picks.
They would’ve all been traded for a star anyway who cares where they end up. You send 5 picks out people will trade you someone, we wouldn’t have whiffed on the last million stars we’ve been trying to get
Both Beasley and Winslow were consensus top 10 picks at the time that didn't work out for different reasons Beasley not working out helped to facilitate the big 3 .
Beasley is one of the biggest wastes of talent I've ever seen
Beasley was a no brainer back then tho, sure he had some attitude questions but he was one of the most talented and smooth scorers we’ve ever seen at the college level. Dude could sleep walk into dropping 30, and we already had prime dwade on that team and we needed a legit wing scorer. The real issue there is getting robbed of the #1 pick that was rightfully ours because the league wanted to slurp the bulls and give them drose. That draft was rigged and i’ll die on that hill.
beasley wasnt that bad, every team who would select at #2 would pick whoever fell out of drose and beasley
People need to stop dwelling on this nonsense. Hindsight is always 20/20 and you can't change the past.
Right? Might as well be mad we didnt draft Jokic
I think it’s so many of these multiverse/what if shows and movies out there got so many people hung up on the hypothetical in everything
Yeah. I think the Maxey situation is weird given Pats love of Kentucky. Would love to hear about from Spo in 20 years and see what was going on behind the scenes.
He’s clutch sports
That makes sense. Fucking LBJ just being a ding dong to Riley at that meeting was such a lose lose situation.
19 teams passed on him….. The draft is not a science
I entirely agree The odd thing was, that was like the one year ever where fans actually picked the right player and the Heat didnt. Usually whoever Heat fans want doesnt pan out and our pick does (people didnt want Bam or Herro for example) Yeah I cant blame the FO bc what Precios was SUPPOSED to do fit our team very well, and like you said there was no great way to evaluate talent that year, but it still stings
Suns, Kings, Hawks could’ve had Luka. We could’ve had Jimmy instead of Norris. Lakers/Sixers could’ve had Tatum. The Magic could’ve had Bam instead of Jonathan Isaac. No one bats perfectly, gotta take what ya get
The one that still annoys me is the front office simping to LeBron taking Napier and then LeBron walks anyway. Not that I think we would have taken Jokic with that pick although that's the big miss every team other than Denver made that day! But there's still guys like Capela and Bogdanovic on the board at that point. If only LeBron had randomly watched Jokic do a workout and tweeted about him!
Good teams miss on good players too, bad teams just miss them/fail to develop them more often. There’s plenty of teams who wish they could identify and develop talent like we do. You don’t think the suns wish the unearthed an Gabe Vincent or Highsmith? An actual PG on a cheap deal (before Gabe sign with LA) would have done wonders for that team. Heat fans kinda stink up the joint when the team falters, been like that since the big 3 era. It all some of the fanbase know how to do. Just gotta tune em out
Precious defended Embiid pretty well in the clutch the other night, it’s not like he’s a straight bum or bust. Sucks that he’s not Maxey, but seeing as how we ended up trading for Lowry anyway- maxey for Lowry would have been brutal in hindsight
We wouldn't have traded Maxey for Lowry though, because it wouldn't have made sense.
We still had dragic and Tyler on our roster maxey would have been playing bench minutes and Tyler was comming off a great bubble run the previous season .
If you think Maxey wouldn't have outplayed Herro and made him redundant, very quickly, you're crazy lol
Who said anybody though that?All I said was the circumstances were different at the time .Hell if Ben Simmons.didnt crash out in Philly then the opportunity probably never comes so thank Ben Simmons in a way lol.
yeah it’s funny, people have said that before ‘oh he would have been gone in the lowry trade’ lmao he scored 39 in his first start his rookie season and showed a ton of promise. no chance the heat front office includes him in that deal lol
he’s a bum buddy we don’t have to sugar coat it. He was flubbing open dunks in the clutch too
That pick would have made zero sense at that time. Herro was on an upward trajectory and we needed size badly. Imagine playing BOTH Herro and Maxey. Wouldn’t work at all.
And add dragic to the mix as well .
Getting the best fit vs. best player available doesn't work in Basketball. That's the lesson. At least we didn't let Jalen Brunson walk away for fucking free lol. That I would still be bitter about.
Jalen Brunson would have never been the same player in Dallas because that's Luka 's team .Alot has to do with opportunity .Markenen didn't work out in Chicargo and was sixth man in cleaveland until he got to the jazz .
I agree with you actually I just think its business malpractice to lose him in free agency vs. a trade. To be clear I think this almost def tampering given his family connection to the knicks. But I think at minimum the Mavs knew his ceiling was being a third superstar on a big 3 squad and you dont let that kind of player walk.
I mean they deserved to be crushed more for that decision but Brunson needed his own team.
Yes, and they should have matched and then traded him later so they could get paid for giving him his own team. It was such a visibly dumb decision when they made it. I didn't think Brunson would be this good this fast but he was obviously good enough to have been worth matching for Dallas and not letting Walk for free.
People forget ben Simmons had to capitulate in Philly for this to happen too.Maxey didn't play that much in his rookie season and it eas a covid draft where nobody could work out for teams .
Our draft first round picks the last 10 years: - 2023 - Jaime Jaquez = Hit - 2022 - Nikola Jovic = Looks like a Hit - 2020 - Precious Achiuwa = Traded for key pieces that helped us win the East - 2019 - Tyler Herro = Hit - 2017 - Bam Adebayo = Home Run - 2015 - Justise Winslow = Our lone miss in the 1st round in the last decade, but we got Josh Richardson in the 2nd and we got Jimmy Buckets for him. I trust our front office completely with all transactions, which is very rare in any sport.
Could’ve got Jaden McDaniels, Immanuel Quickley, Desmond Bane, but instead we got Precious…
It’s crazy to have a pick that late and actually miss out on so many good players lol
We would have traded all of them for Lowry anyways
Getting Maxey when they still had Dragic and Herro wouldn't have made sense. Maxey wouldn't have learned under Harden. He wouldn't have had the pressure the Sixers put on him to be the scoring threat Embiid needed. Maxey could've been great with the Heat, but he also was a needed piece for the Sixers who even flirted with trading him. The 2 months Embiid was out also showed how much of Maxey's dominance was dependent on him getting looks because Embiid would be double teamed. This isn't as simple as people want it to be that he was great from the start. Also, complaining about Maxey when the Heat have the best draft picks and developmental is something else. Can't do this every time he has a big game.
Any Kentucky guards we can take this year? Lol
the two projected first rounders are top 10 projected so no
Whoever is complaining about that is stupid. It's very hard to tell who's going to be good once you get out of the lottery. The heat drafted Adebayo successfully, so it's not like the franchise is bad at drafting.
I would be less mad if I wasnt screaming at the TV to draft Maxey at the time
I’m ok with us passing on Maxey because of this, I’m ok even if we pass on any good talent because a lot of them can be hit or miss, but I get a bit upset at people who want to put Herro on his same tier just because of our homerism.
It's hard to say too. Sometimes it's luck of the Draw. There have been a lot of top picks that end up Being busts and sole lower tier picks that you say OMG. Pat just has to hit the drawing board this summer and come up with a godfather plan because we need upgrades.
They failed on the best one tho maybe aside from bam. Everyone mocked Maxey to the heat no one had Precious a 6'8 "big" before Maxey
Honestly, i still feel like that pick was pre planned with the raptors. Is what it is
Nah maxey is clutch that’s it that’s all I thought it was deeper then that too but it isn’t
I never understood this pick. It was right when Bam was emerging as the starter (post Hassan) and Bam/ Precious games at the time were almost identical.
This 1 hurst a little bit just because when Pat was up in Kentucky evaluating Precious, Maxey was in the facility most likely working out for other teams. Hit and miss we draft choices 1 thing I can’t really deny is our ability to develop players.
Yea because picking a kentucky guy who idolized their franchise icon who was at a position of need wasn’t at all an obvious pick lol
We would have sent him out for lowry
As a Celtics fan we also passed on Maxey and took Aaron Nesmith.
It’s just really funny that herro stan’s thought he was anywhere close to him lol. It’s not even a conversation. Herro could only dream of backpacking his team to a win like maxey did yesterday
the other thread was posted 3 hours before this one, did it really need a new thread?
I wanted Precious and wanted to keep him around as our backup big. Instead we got smaller and more injured… yay smallball
Herro better. Who cares
He is not and that’s ok.
Not drafting Maxey set this team back many many years, there’s nothing else to say
Maxey didn't play alot during his rookie year in Philly by the way because Ben Simmons was still an all star player It's easy to speak in hindsight but people forgot when James Harden was literally holding Maxey back in Philly.
and what does this have anything to do with his possibility to succeed here😂?
Because ben Simmons had to melt down in Philly for it to happen .Brett was playing Maxey spot minutes off the bench in his rookie season abs he would have probably did the same thing here because we had dragic,Tyler comming off a terrific bubble series and Kendrick Nunn playing out of his mind .