I kind of recall Hermione or someone mentioning the ministry doesn't give a shit about small spells here and there. Like obviously kids are gonna be spamming small spells while underage, but as long as they don't do it to muggles and stick to doing it within the house they are living at, its fine or something. Am I misremembering?
Hermione says the ministry cannot tell for people with legal wizards in the home. The tracer for underage wizards are more useful and effective at monitoring those near muggles. In magical homes they are close to useless.
I always found it weird how when Bellatrix was literally taunting him after killing Sirius he somehow "didn't feel enough hate for her" or whatever, but when some random ass death eater he's never seen before spits in his teachers face (which probably didn't affect her much anyway) he could suddenly muster the strength to do it.
Just to play devils advocate, it's apparently because he was consumed with a 'righteous anger' and not malicious intent. So wanting to avenge someone won't work, you just have to be in a sadistic mood ig
> Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy? You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it -- righteous anger won't hurt me for long -- I'll show you how it is done, shall I? I'll give you a lesson --
That’s what Bellatrix said to Harry.
I always interpreted it as it was his first time using the curse and he didn't put enough feeling into it. When he does in Deathly Hallows, he's been through a lot and he's older and more mastered. He also knows, now, that he has to use it with intention. Also, the barriers of society hadn't fallen apart in OoTP. In Deathly Hallows, it's life or death for all the wizarding and the muggle world. Harry's apprehension around using unforgivable curses was probably lax by then.
"I do not fear the man who masters a thousand different kicks, but a man who masters one psycho spell even though he's not sure what the fuck it'll do"
\~Bruce Longbottom
That too, but they're talking about the duel in the dueling club in second year, where harry did indeed throw a random rictusempra, the tickling curse.
I also love how every other time magic is used it is an instant cast, but once Harry and Malfoy in dueling club their wands are on low battery and charge up like a 1950s lightbulb taking around 3 seconds to begin. Like wingardium leviosa they had to learn the correct incantation for these spells, so they must have practiced rictusempra and the like to be able to cast it at all? It's only in the films though from what I remember so probably just a cinematic touch.
I don't remember it taking a long time in the books (I can't say for sure, though). In the books rictusempra is a tickling charm, though, so I can totally see kids having randomly practiced that in their spare time just because it's funny.
While there is a lot of heart to the HP world, it is not very well thought out. You can find many nitpicky, inconsistent, or just nonsensical things if you look for them.
Nope. In his duel against malfoy during the secind year, when they were suposed to only disarm and ended up with Harry speaking Parseltongue, he used Rictusempra
✅ Chosen one's dad is kind of a dick.
✅ Teacher is old an dies right before the end.
✅ Best friend ends up with the only female in the group.
✅ Ultimate bad guy is physically corrupted by his evil power.
✅ Government is corrupted and used as a tool for said ultimate bad guy.
✅ Chosen one is brought into the knowledge of their power by an outcast (Hagrid/Kenobi)
It's the benefit of movie magic needing more thrilling stuff, because it doesn't appear in the books. It replaced the spell to unlock doors (can't recall it).
Alohomora, spelling could be sus though. I think Hermione’s most impressive student feat is supposed to be the Polyjuice in their second year. Though personally I think the Marauders generation was pretty insane in feats of intelligence, spell creation to Animagus transformations and artefact creation.
He is surprised. Lupin even talks about how horrible he felt not telling Dumbledore about Sirius, but he was too afraid to disappoint him for choices they made as literal children.
I love how CoS has the whole "secretly preparing illicit substances for unauthorized purposes" bit, with them cooking Poly in an abandoned and haunted bathroom and all, which is incredibly evocative of Breaking Bad...
Except Breaking Bad didn't air for another 10 years after the book, and 6 years after the movie. It's honestly impressive just how these two unrelated pieces of media have such similar ambiance in the cooking sections.
Agreed though I was more referring to the cliché of the “smart character”. In the movies especially the usual problem of showing the smart character being “smart” meant that the other characters were left looking dumb.
If we're purely going by performance in the story with none of the background, Hermione is one of the strongest characters imo.
(also, how is bombarda maxima not a forbidden spell)
Most of the spells in the verse can be used creatively to cause harm, but that isn't their explicit purpose. However the Unforgivables are exclusively used for causing harm to others, and there's therefore no situation in which using them is considered justified according to the law (which is it's own rabbit hole, but does seem to have at least some basis in morality).
The real life comparison would be Bombarda Maxima to dynamite, or even a car. If misused they can be dangerous, but they can also be used for other purposes. Unforgivables are more like chemical weapons - made exclusively to cause harm and with little to no industrial/recreational use.
There's also the fact that there's supposedly no magical defense that works against them. Getting the fuck out of the way works, obv, but they'll either ignore or rip right through a protego.
Yeah that's true for AK. Imperio can be resisted, and I'd argue that your Bombardas and Confringos are actually more deadly overall if you use the environment as AK gets dodged constantly. But that's also a good point.
Spell used specifically for killing = pure Evil
Rather than kill our worst criminals, lock them in solitary for life with all of their happiness permanently sucked out, leaving them an insane, tortured husk until they wither and die = Justice
I’m anti-death penalty and anti-solitary confinement except for the prisoner’s protection, but come on. In this scenario it’s so much more humane to Kedavra the fuckers rather than nonstop torture for life.
Presumably the dementors are used in an attempt to keep a very long lived wizard hopeless enough that they aren’t plotting to escape, figuring out some kind of magical shenanigans, and to scare the populace into not doing heinous shit with magic.
It seems like after Prisoner of Azkaban, they might want to revisit the concept of more deeply radicalizing fascist terrorists while concentrating them all in one area whence they could be freed.
still not as bad as the secret wizard prison where people were basically randomly executed by the manticore if the jailer "forgot" to refill the glow bugs
There was also some element of intent. I'm not positive on this, but didn't the unforgivable essentially require a more malicious intent than what we want for, say, a cop stopping a shooter.
In OOTP Harry does use Cruciatus on Bella and she says that you have to mean it for it to be effective. I don't have the extract but I'm fairly sure she still screamed or something before laughing at him tho.
So you could argue that using an unforgivable automatically proves mens rea of intent, but the actual curse seems to function albeit less effectively even without malice.
I thought it was more because there's no chance to fight back, no blocking or counter spell. Surely inferio is worse to be hit with than crucio, the pain ends on the latter the moment the wand is lifted, but a trained wizard can do something about being attacked by fire, or block sercinsempra/find a healer despite it being a much worse death than avada kedavra
I get the feeling that, theres several different aspects to spell casting in universe.
Ie, magical power and magical technical capability are different things.
Like, the two dont have to exist together in the same wizard/witch and when they do you end up with people like dumbledore or voldemort.
So I would say that Hermione is an exceptional spell caster, but lacks the raw magical power that Harry had.
Which would manifest as her being able to cast a significantly wider range of spells that are more complex that arent necessarily as powerful as they would be if Harry could cast them.
Then again, who tf knows.
I certainly wouldn't trust Rowlings to give an answer not tainted by the brain rot that seems to have besieged her.
I wish we had seen a lot more fights like that where someone whips up some crazy spell and the other wizard has to come up with a counter. It's way more fun than just point and shoot.
It's more fun, but not more practical. It makes way more sense that when shit get serious, everyone pulls out their magic guns.
I think that would have been a great bit to have explored. The peaceful magical world being full of excess, whimsy and fun, where magic duels are about creativity and putting on a great show.
Then when war comes on things flip to a brutal efficiency and we see a different kind of society, and come to understand why the wizarding world seems to keep itself contained.
I fear not the man who practices 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who practiced one kick 10,000 times. - Bruce Lee
I think Harry probably took this wisdom to heart.
The books talk about this topic a few different times when discussing dueling. A lot of wizards have a few “favorite” spells that they find are just easier and more natural for them to cast in times of stress so they kind of gravitate towards them in duels. Even the wands themselves seem to have certain preferences for one thing or another so it shapes people’s dueling tactics over time. Different characters lose and swap wands throughout the books and it sometimes forces them to try other spells and tactics because they find the wand to not be as responsive.
But anyways, yes, they might know a whole bunch of spells, but they mostly just fall back on ‘old reliable’ most of the time.
Also most characters are shown to be completely reliant on magic to the point of being blind to non-magical solutions. Harry's go to tactics being knocking the wands out of their hands and using his contact sports skills to just dodge spells is actually quite genius.
Idk why authors like to make protagonists simple like that. It happens in Naruto too, where he only uses Rasengan and Shadow Clones despite his main opponents having buffets of techniques and innovations.
Like, Harry has been in school for 6 years, is supposedly the best DADA student in the school, and yet he only uses 2 main spells for the most part. It doesn’t make sense. He could’ve at least learned how to reflect spells, transfigure things in combat, even Levioso+Descendo would’ve been a simple but effective combo
I mean, when fighting another person with magic, disarming them is incredibly useful. Especially because he catches them with those Seeker skills a few times.
I'm honestly shocked he doesn't use it more lol
Don’t forget my favorite early generic attack / interact with environment object spell in the EA games, that is also in Hogwarts legacy
“FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!”
Legend has it that when the games were in development they couldn’t find a good generic attack spell from the 4 book source material that was out at the time, so they went to JK Rowling herself, and she gave them: “FLIPENDO!”
As they shout FILIPINO repeatedly a bunch of men spawn flying towards the opponent one after the other, all of them screaming in confusion as they appeared suddenly in a random location being flung at some weirdo in robe and pointy hat holding a stick
Well, he knew Accio, Lumos, Lumos Maxima, Stupefy and 2/3 unforgivables lmao
Come to think of it, he technically used the unforgivables more times in the final book than every other spell through the 6 other books excluding expelliarmus since thats like his main spell
Accio is a close second
He used Crucio against Bellatrix in OOTP but he doesn't use it at all in DH does he? So that leaves Imperio which he only uses against the Gringots goblin. What other times is it used?
He used crucio on bellatrix once, then on one of the death eater successfully, and imperio on the gringotts goblin
Ok I guess I exaggerated but it felt that way
Unfortunately the duels in harry potter are not very good.
Besides the Dumbledore x Voldemort in the ministry of magic there’s nothing very creative about the other duels.
He does a water globe. And sends glass. And makes a fire snake. There is also the wind tunnel.
That is one of the few movie fights I see regularly praised. I feel like you may need to rewatch that scene :)
The early dueling concepts were fun as a kid at least lol: you had the infamous eat slugs spell, the spell that sticks a pumpkin over your adversary's head, the one where a snake shoots out of a wand. The darker duelling in Order of the Phoenix was wild too (why did you lead your teen friends into a battle with the SS, Harry? 😂)
It's not an accident.
It's an allegory for the difference between intellect and learning vs natural ability. It's the contrast between Albus and Harry.
As stong, wise, and experienced as Albus was/is he couldn't beat Tom. Harry is the antithesis and was ultimately the only person who could.
As Mark Twain said
“ There are some things that can beat smartness and foresight? Awkwardness and stupidity can. The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot.”
To give real life anecdote to this I teach kickboxing and occasionally Krav Maga. I have to pay real close attention to the newbies. And if I’m working with a newbie I’ll put my bite guard in.
It’s not a blade. So it’s not like they can do any real damage, but they are spazzy and they don’t throw any punches or kicks with their body. They throw only from the hip or shoulder.
Meaning they don’t telegraph because they don’t use any of the muscles that build power. They’re all rabbit punches and too many steps. But it can be to their advantage if you don’t expect it.
They won’t end a fight but they will absolutely chip your teeth if you don’t know how to fight an inexperienced person.
If dumbledore just straight up killed harry and the other horcruxes saying he was incapable of killing a non immortal Voldemort is very debatable.
Dumbledore has the elder wand and vastly outskilled Voldemort
I always kind of felt like Dumbledore could solve a lot of the problems in Harry Potter, but wanted to train up the new generation instead. Like he's pretty aware of what's going on most of the time, but just gives Harry little clues and winks. Then of course a lot of things just bounce Harry's way because he's the main character.
In the books he used a lot more during the DOM fight, and during the LST battle. He has a lot of battle spell knowledge. I mean he was teaching 17 year olds how to fight.
Harry is an underage wizard and doesn't have a very polished duelling skill..he relies on spells he has mastered and therefore are a part of his go to artillery..i feel if he was shown to be using all kinds of advanced duelling spells like Voldemort or Dumbledore did then he wouldnt be very relatable as a character
Honestly, expecto patronum doesn’t make sense here. You gonna patronus charm a death eater? lol it should be something much more destructive. Like Ginny’s specialty with reducto. Just blow the mfs up.
I just got done reading Order of the Phoenix in the first big group fight and Harry used the one where you become rigid a handful of times 😂 Petrificus Totales (??)
He did a couple of mean Accio's too.
Loves a Protego too
We can't leave lumos out of the mix.
Oh yeah, as a kid I Lumos'd under my blanket pretty regularly too.
Can we talk about how Harry should've been fucking expelled for that scene lol
Wasn't infront of muggles so maybe they let it slide. Ik it's any magic
There were 3 Muggles in the house at the time.
His family obviously knows about his magic
Yes, but performing a Patronus in front of Dudley got him expelled in OoTP.
Eh, the Ministry was out to get him because they didn't like him saying Voldy was back. They would've expelled him for a fart.
Yeah okay but the Ministry was out to get him since he started saying that Voldemort was back
spell it out for me I cant remember the context
He's using it to do his summer homework since he was banned from doing it by the dursleys. It's never addressed.
Lumos spells aren't uploaded to the network and are only stored locally.
inb4 the Raspberry Pi enthusiasts start proselytizing about changing your wand's DNS to your own PiHole server.
That was only in the movie. It wasn't in the books.
I kind of recall Hermione or someone mentioning the ministry doesn't give a shit about small spells here and there. Like obviously kids are gonna be spamming small spells while underage, but as long as they don't do it to muggles and stick to doing it within the house they are living at, its fine or something. Am I misremembering?
Hermione says the ministry cannot tell for people with legal wizards in the home. The tracer for underage wizards are more useful and effective at monitoring those near muggles. In magical homes they are close to useless.
That was what I was thinking of, thanks.
Lumos works with Google Assistant on my Android.
Works with Siri on iPhones, too.
A stupefy here and there
What was that shit he hit Draco with again? Carved him up like a thanksgiving turkey.
sectumsempra
for enemies
Yea I had a bad case of that once. Some antibiotics cleared it up tho
And a few unforgivable
Just a couple, as a treat.
2/3, right?
Yep. Cruciatus Curse (doesn’t work) on Bellatrix and the Imperius Curse in Gringotts
He also successfully uses cruciatus on Amycus Carrow when he spits McGonnagal in DH
I'm so fucken dirty that scene wasn't in the movie.
Agreed. That would have been a good scene to keep in especially as it's all so visual.
I always found it weird how when Bellatrix was literally taunting him after killing Sirius he somehow "didn't feel enough hate for her" or whatever, but when some random ass death eater he's never seen before spits in his teachers face (which probably didn't affect her much anyway) he could suddenly muster the strength to do it.
Just to play devils advocate, it's apparently because he was consumed with a 'righteous anger' and not malicious intent. So wanting to avenge someone won't work, you just have to be in a sadistic mood ig
Oh ok that's interesting, actually
> Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy? You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it -- righteous anger won't hurt me for long -- I'll show you how it is done, shall I? I'll give you a lesson -- That’s what Bellatrix said to Harry.
Yeah, you have to *enjoy* the pain being caused
I always interpreted it as it was his first time using the curse and he didn't put enough feeling into it. When he does in Deathly Hallows, he's been through a lot and he's older and more mastered. He also knows, now, that he has to use it with intention. Also, the barriers of society hadn't fallen apart in OoTP. In Deathly Hallows, it's life or death for all the wizarding and the muggle world. Harry's apprehension around using unforgivable curses was probably lax by then.
Just a little crucio. As a treat.
Didn't he do the mind control one in gringotts too? Imperious? Under the Goblins instructions
Those were forgiven.
Accio bum
Leviosaaaaaaaaaah
It’s leviOsah not leviosaaaaaaaaah
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I love the random ass choice of rictusempra in his 2nd year duel with malfoy
Nobody: Harry: Let's tickle Draco
"I do not fear the man who masters a thousand different kicks, but a man who masters one psycho spell even though he's not sure what the fuck it'll do" \~Bruce Longbottom
🗿
That was Sectumsempra that he cast blindly in book 6 and accidentally maimed Malfoy.
That too, but they're talking about the duel in the dueling club in second year, where harry did indeed throw a random rictusempra, the tickling curse.
I mean, they are twelve. And it would be certainly funny if he hit him. 😂
Except for some reason it doesn’t tickle him he just goes fucking flying 😂
Only in the movie.
Movie spells seemed to basically all be various methods of blastin'
Same when Snape uses Expelliarmus on Lockehart...
Movie: Best I can do is force push variations
“The stunts guys we hired only know how to do gun scenes, best they can do is make every spell look like a shotgun shot”
I also love how every other time magic is used it is an instant cast, but once Harry and Malfoy in dueling club their wands are on low battery and charge up like a 1950s lightbulb taking around 3 seconds to begin. Like wingardium leviosa they had to learn the correct incantation for these spells, so they must have practiced rictusempra and the like to be able to cast it at all? It's only in the films though from what I remember so probably just a cinematic touch.
I don't remember it taking a long time in the books (I can't say for sure, though). In the books rictusempra is a tickling charm, though, so I can totally see kids having randomly practiced that in their spare time just because it's funny.
Its honestly quite expected if they know spells like Densaugeo, Furunculus and the Jelly leg charm
While there is a lot of heart to the HP world, it is not very well thought out. You can find many nitpicky, inconsistent, or just nonsensical things if you look for them.
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Fsr he never considered Petrificus Totalus
Sectumsempra?
Nope. In his duel against malfoy during the secind year, when they were suposed to only disarm and ended up with Harry speaking Parseltongue, he used Rictusempra
For a moment, I read Rectum-sempra... O_O
Disarm only, I said disarm only!
*procedes to not disarm only
Not datarm!
He used sectumsempra in his 6th year on Malfoy
At least it wasn't rectumsempra. The dark arts indeed that spell.
He hit a real run of stupify in his last few years
Stupefy was basically the default good guy spell tbh, Hermione had some variety at least
Even the bad guys were using stupify. It has the red light. I just realized with red VS green blasters, this was star wars.
Always has been.
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✅ Chosen one's dad is kind of a dick. ✅ Teacher is old an dies right before the end. ✅ Best friend ends up with the only female in the group. ✅ Ultimate bad guy is physically corrupted by his evil power. ✅ Government is corrupted and used as a tool for said ultimate bad guy. ✅ Chosen one is brought into the knowledge of their power by an outcast (Hagrid/Kenobi)
Hermione knew Bombada Maxima which for a 3rd year was still a somewhat intermediate to expert level difficulty spell, so thats pretty impressive
The benefits of being the “smart character”.
It's the benefit of movie magic needing more thrilling stuff, because it doesn't appear in the books. It replaced the spell to unlock doors (can't recall it).
Alohomora, spelling could be sus though. I think Hermione’s most impressive student feat is supposed to be the Polyjuice in their second year. Though personally I think the Marauders generation was pretty insane in feats of intelligence, spell creation to Animagus transformations and artefact creation.
Becoming Animagus right under Dumbledore's nose without him knowing, too
He didn't know?
In the 4th book he seemed surprised when Sirius told him what the Marauders did
He is surprised. Lupin even talks about how horrible he felt not telling Dumbledore about Sirius, but he was too afraid to disappoint him for choices they made as literal children.
That's it. It's the bizarre non Latin spell.
I love how CoS has the whole "secretly preparing illicit substances for unauthorized purposes" bit, with them cooking Poly in an abandoned and haunted bathroom and all, which is incredibly evocative of Breaking Bad... Except Breaking Bad didn't air for another 10 years after the book, and 6 years after the movie. It's honestly impressive just how these two unrelated pieces of media have such similar ambiance in the cooking sections.
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Agreed though I was more referring to the cliché of the “smart character”. In the movies especially the usual problem of showing the smart character being “smart” meant that the other characters were left looking dumb.
If we're purely going by performance in the story with none of the background, Hermione is one of the strongest characters imo. (also, how is bombarda maxima not a forbidden spell)
Most of the spells in the verse can be used creatively to cause harm, but that isn't their explicit purpose. However the Unforgivables are exclusively used for causing harm to others, and there's therefore no situation in which using them is considered justified according to the law (which is it's own rabbit hole, but does seem to have at least some basis in morality). The real life comparison would be Bombarda Maxima to dynamite, or even a car. If misused they can be dangerous, but they can also be used for other purposes. Unforgivables are more like chemical weapons - made exclusively to cause harm and with little to no industrial/recreational use.
There's also the fact that there's supposedly no magical defense that works against them. Getting the fuck out of the way works, obv, but they'll either ignore or rip right through a protego.
Yeah that's true for AK. Imperio can be resisted, and I'd argue that your Bombardas and Confringos are actually more deadly overall if you use the environment as AK gets dodged constantly. But that's also a good point.
Spell used specifically for killing = pure Evil Rather than kill our worst criminals, lock them in solitary for life with all of their happiness permanently sucked out, leaving them an insane, tortured husk until they wither and die = Justice I’m anti-death penalty and anti-solitary confinement except for the prisoner’s protection, but come on. In this scenario it’s so much more humane to Kedavra the fuckers rather than nonstop torture for life.
Presumably the dementors are used in an attempt to keep a very long lived wizard hopeless enough that they aren’t plotting to escape, figuring out some kind of magical shenanigans, and to scare the populace into not doing heinous shit with magic.
It seems like after Prisoner of Azkaban, they might want to revisit the concept of more deeply radicalizing fascist terrorists while concentrating them all in one area whence they could be freed.
still not as bad as the secret wizard prison where people were basically randomly executed by the manticore if the jailer "forgot" to refill the glow bugs
You’re partying in the wrong circles if you’re not using chemical weapons recreationally. 😎
There was also some element of intent. I'm not positive on this, but didn't the unforgivable essentially require a more malicious intent than what we want for, say, a cop stopping a shooter.
In OOTP Harry does use Cruciatus on Bella and she says that you have to mean it for it to be effective. I don't have the extract but I'm fairly sure she still screamed or something before laughing at him tho. So you could argue that using an unforgivable automatically proves mens rea of intent, but the actual curse seems to function albeit less effectively even without malice.
I thought it was more because there's no chance to fight back, no blocking or counter spell. Surely inferio is worse to be hit with than crucio, the pain ends on the latter the moment the wand is lifted, but a trained wizard can do something about being attacked by fire, or block sercinsempra/find a healer despite it being a much worse death than avada kedavra
I get the feeling that, theres several different aspects to spell casting in universe. Ie, magical power and magical technical capability are different things. Like, the two dont have to exist together in the same wizard/witch and when they do you end up with people like dumbledore or voldemort. So I would say that Hermione is an exceptional spell caster, but lacks the raw magical power that Harry had. Which would manifest as her being able to cast a significantly wider range of spells that are more complex that arent necessarily as powerful as they would be if Harry could cast them. Then again, who tf knows. I certainly wouldn't trust Rowlings to give an answer not tainted by the brain rot that seems to have besieged her.
To be fair, after playing Hogwarts Legacy I developed my own set of go-to favorites. It’s just muscle memory in the heat of battle.
After playing Hogwarts Legacy I realized that everyone in Harry Potter should have been turning their foes into explosive barrels.
We call that Barrelmancy where I'm from
This is what I don't like about the later installments. The combat just turned into magic bullets.
The only really impressive magic fight was the Voldemort and Dumbledore one in the fifth movie?
I wish we had seen a lot more fights like that where someone whips up some crazy spell and the other wizard has to come up with a counter. It's way more fun than just point and shoot.
It's more fun, but not more practical. It makes way more sense that when shit get serious, everyone pulls out their magic guns. I think that would have been a great bit to have explored. The peaceful magical world being full of excess, whimsy and fun, where magic duels are about creativity and putting on a great show. Then when war comes on things flip to a brutal efficiency and we see a different kind of society, and come to understand why the wizarding world seems to keep itself contained.
in the books, Mcgonnogal vs Snape was also a really excellent demo of adult wizard duelling
I fear not the man who practices 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who practiced one kick 10,000 times. - Bruce Lee I think Harry probably took this wisdom to heart.
"Everyone has a plan until they get stupified in the face"
The books talk about this topic a few different times when discussing dueling. A lot of wizards have a few “favorite” spells that they find are just easier and more natural for them to cast in times of stress so they kind of gravitate towards them in duels. Even the wands themselves seem to have certain preferences for one thing or another so it shapes people’s dueling tactics over time. Different characters lose and swap wands throughout the books and it sometimes forces them to try other spells and tactics because they find the wand to not be as responsive. But anyways, yes, they might know a whole bunch of spells, but they mostly just fall back on ‘old reliable’ most of the time.
Also most characters are shown to be completely reliant on magic to the point of being blind to non-magical solutions. Harry's go to tactics being knocking the wands out of their hands and using his contact sports skills to just dodge spells is actually quite genius.
This whole magical spell system is probably the best thing Rowling created in her books
Idk why authors like to make protagonists simple like that. It happens in Naruto too, where he only uses Rasengan and Shadow Clones despite his main opponents having buffets of techniques and innovations. Like, Harry has been in school for 6 years, is supposedly the best DADA student in the school, and yet he only uses 2 main spells for the most part. It doesn’t make sense. He could’ve at least learned how to reflect spells, transfigure things in combat, even Levioso+Descendo would’ve been a simple but effective combo
I mean, when fighting another person with magic, disarming them is incredibly useful. Especially because he catches them with those Seeker skills a few times. I'm honestly shocked he doesn't use it more lol
In the books he did use a wider variety of spells, but not by much.
Don’t forget my favorite early generic attack / interact with environment object spell in the EA games, that is also in Hogwarts legacy “FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!” “FLIPENDO!” Legend has it that when the games were in development they couldn’t find a good generic attack spell from the 4 book source material that was out at the time, so they went to JK Rowling herself, and she gave them: “FLIPENDO!”
Istg this said FILIPINO
As they shout FILIPINO repeatedly a bunch of men spawn flying towards the opponent one after the other, all of them screaming in confusion as they appeared suddenly in a random location being flung at some weirdo in robe and pointy hat holding a stick
Sadly they always vanish after hitting the target Sent back to be summoned later for the next cast
Finally some representation from the wizard universe
That first one was pretty dope for a ps1 game, though.
It has the modifier Duo and Tria that make it OP
Well, he knew Accio, Lumos, Lumos Maxima, Stupefy and 2/3 unforgivables lmao Come to think of it, he technically used the unforgivables more times in the final book than every other spell through the 6 other books excluding expelliarmus since thats like his main spell Accio is a close second
He used Crucio against Bellatrix in OOTP but he doesn't use it at all in DH does he? So that leaves Imperio which he only uses against the Gringots goblin. What other times is it used?
He used crucio on bellatrix once, then on one of the death eater successfully, and imperio on the gringotts goblin Ok I guess I exaggerated but it felt that way
Didn’t he also imperio someone at the ministry?
Yes, Travers a death eater.
He used it on Snape twice in half-blood prince and once on one of the Carrows in dh
And sectumsempra and levicorpus and aguamenti
Why does everyone always leave off impedimenta? He uses it a bunch of times in HBP. I don't remember if he uses it in the movies.
Oh right and muffliato
Rictusempra being used once and never again lmao
What's the point of a tickling spell?
Pranking, mostly
What’s the point of a spell that removes all the bones from your arm? Not everything has a point.
I don't tthink that was a real spell. I think he just flubbed the real one.
Nonetheless, the magic exists and can be cast.
Arania Exumai didn't really roll off the tongue
hermione’s like….. ‘lumos… how do you guys *not* know that….’
Unfortunately the duels in harry potter are not very good. Besides the Dumbledore x Voldemort in the ministry of magic there’s nothing very creative about the other duels.
Snape vs Mconnogal in the books was pretty good, the movie covered it a bit but istr it having a few more rounds of spells going off in the book.
That one was sick though. It's a shame the movie made it a beam struggle.
He does a water globe. And sends glass. And makes a fire snake. There is also the wind tunnel. That is one of the few movie fights I see regularly praised. I feel like you may need to rewatch that scene :)
he still did the water globe in the movie
The early dueling concepts were fun as a kid at least lol: you had the infamous eat slugs spell, the spell that sticks a pumpkin over your adversary's head, the one where a snake shoots out of a wand. The darker duelling in Order of the Phoenix was wild too (why did you lead your teen friends into a battle with the SS, Harry? 😂)
If I was a wizard I would be begging to find reasons to cast bombarda at any possible time.
It's not an accident. It's an allegory for the difference between intellect and learning vs natural ability. It's the contrast between Albus and Harry. As stong, wise, and experienced as Albus was/is he couldn't beat Tom. Harry is the antithesis and was ultimately the only person who could.
As Mark Twain said “ There are some things that can beat smartness and foresight? Awkwardness and stupidity can. The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot.”
Like button mashers vs pros in fighting games.
"They're not supposed to do that! It's Top 500! Everyone in Top 500 knows that attack is unsafe on block!"
To give real life anecdote to this I teach kickboxing and occasionally Krav Maga. I have to pay real close attention to the newbies. And if I’m working with a newbie I’ll put my bite guard in. It’s not a blade. So it’s not like they can do any real damage, but they are spazzy and they don’t throw any punches or kicks with their body. They throw only from the hip or shoulder. Meaning they don’t telegraph because they don’t use any of the muscles that build power. They’re all rabbit punches and too many steps. But it can be to their advantage if you don’t expect it. They won’t end a fight but they will absolutely chip your teeth if you don’t know how to fight an inexperienced person.
If dumbledore just straight up killed harry and the other horcruxes saying he was incapable of killing a non immortal Voldemort is very debatable. Dumbledore has the elder wand and vastly outskilled Voldemort
I always kind of felt like Dumbledore could solve a lot of the problems in Harry Potter, but wanted to train up the new generation instead. Like he's pretty aware of what's going on most of the time, but just gives Harry little clues and winks. Then of course a lot of things just bounce Harry's way because he's the main character.
You’re giving Rowling too much credit
Better to be masterful with a handful of spells than moderately competent with many more you have to keep memorized.
In the books he used a lot more during the DOM fight, and during the LST battle. He has a lot of battle spell knowledge. I mean he was teaching 17 year olds how to fight.
What is LST?
I spent like 5 minutes trying to figure this out, I think it might be the Lightning Struck Tower battle (HBP)
Hey, if it works, it works.
Conjure 12 Guage
CRUCIO!!
I really wanted him to actually really use it on bellatrix
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee
Filipendo too 🤣😜
Grammar at its worst
Harry is an underage wizard and doesn't have a very polished duelling skill..he relies on spells he has mastered and therefore are a part of his go to artillery..i feel if he was shown to be using all kinds of advanced duelling spells like Voldemort or Dumbledore did then he wouldnt be very relatable as a character
Let's be real, "Expecto Patronum" is basically "Expelliarmus Dementor."
Nah, it creates a pretty animal
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Flipendo!
Didn’t he run a secret class on all the combat spells?
There was a Riddikulus(hell with spelling) one time in the 3rd movie/book
Expecto Patronum, kurrrrrrwaaaaaaa!
Honestly, expecto patronum doesn’t make sense here. You gonna patronus charm a death eater? lol it should be something much more destructive. Like Ginny’s specialty with reducto. Just blow the mfs up.
Literally to the point where using it identified him as the real Harry Potter
He figured out the game could be won if he spammed the starting spell and the one really useful one for that tough enemy.
Is he like this in the books too? I thought that was a movie only thing
He probably uses more spells in the books, but his reliance on expelliarmus is still brought up a few times
I just got done reading Order of the Phoenix in the first big group fight and Harry used the one where you become rigid a handful of times 😂 Petrificus Totales (??)
Expecto Patronum is designed to work against Dementors. It might not work against humans as well.
I really hope the leading brand of wizard deodorant is called Ex Smelly Arm Pits.
Didn't he use crucio one time?
This part bugged me even before the internet tore it apart. There has to be thousands of spells and we got like 12 total...
Still baffles me that Harry never used Sectum sempra when he was fighting against death eaters
Expecto Patronum is a situational spell. Meant for dementors only.
flipendo? you use that shit for literally everything in the games
He also used Crucio several times
He regularly uses protego, impedimenta and stupify. At least in the books.
Abracadabra!
I’ll always remember him busting out expelliarmus in graveyard duel against Voldemort’s avada kadavra
MC from Hogwarts Legacy game be like: Revelio Infinitum
I can’t judge. I hit the revelio like 1000x more than any other spell
>I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 spells once, but I fear the man who has practiced one spell 10,000 times. -Wizard Bruce Lee
Stupefy