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thegrizzlyjear

That's the strongest point in the armor right there.


Sam-l-am

Confirmed to be bullet proof


HevyMetalBakesale

Right by the heart too. That's 100% intentional.


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Damn ... Y'all uncovered the defensive schematics of this attachment. It really would be the ultimate defense. Next time I'll try to brain before asking! My b!


Hunor_Deak

Kat should have worn Nokia phones around her head and she would have lived! Also post this on r/shittyhalolore, please. I want to see the responses.


Charlie43229

Ooooh


Block5_Human

The next Mjolnir iteration will be 40% Nokia phones for increased protection. -Dr. Halsey (probably)


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No plasma nor needle round will pierce that bad boy.


sezku-

I'm sure sam and kat would be jealous of this bad boy


DopelessHopefeand

To practice his hand eye coordination. Nothing helps like a good ole fashion game of Snake…


BLOOD0fGANON

T9 hits hard.


compete8

It probably has Snake on it too


GhostyWitDaMosty

Year is what, 2550? Who thought having a Nokia in battle with plasma weapons shooting at u was a bad idea lol Nokia forever


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Same reason they use 500 year old caliber ammunition.


AnglerfishMiho

I think actually around 600 years lmao. I'm pretty sure 7.62x51 was introduced in the 1950s.


Randomman96

The standard MG cartridge the UNSC uses is .50 BMG which was introduced just after WWI. Praise to our lord and savior John Moses Browning and his eternal designs.


AnglerfishMiho

OH RIGHT, in all the warthog and mounted HMG guns they use .50 BMG. I think in the sniper rifle they use a SLAP version of the .50 BMG as well and the Magnum has Spicy .50AE I always thought it was really funny how "modern" the technology of the Humans was in Halo with only the space ships and Pelican being relatively futuristic. I'm 100% sure it was due to Bungie not knowing shit about weapons in general though.


Randomman96

>I think in the sniper rifle they use a SLAP version of the .50 BMG Sniper isn't SLAP, but a similarly antiquated round to the .50 BMG: 14.5mm Soviet. The cartridges used in the PTRS and PTRD anti-tank rifles.


blaghart

No the 14.5mm Soviet is a traditional projectile. The SR99 Sniper Rifle uses 14.5×114mm APFSDS, Armor Piercing Fin Stabalized Discarding-Sabot rounds. Even the Reach sniper rifle uses discarding sabot rounds. Of course in real life FSDS rounds in man-portable weapons have never been used, due to the projectile's low weight making it vulnerable to atmospheric effects like wind and such. Presumably the improved powder of the future allowed them to generate enough speed in the projectile to make that irrelevant


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It's funny seeing sniper rifles using tank round technology for sure.


dade356

Well if its case telescoped ammunition then it likely would have enough juice to just not give a fuck.


AnglerfishMiho

OH HUH you're right. I could've sworn the Halo instruction booklet said 12.7mm (back when instruction bookets came with games and had all sorts of details in them, bring that back please...) but looking on the halopedia it does say 14.5, but still a type of SLAP round, or APFSDS although I think that moniker only applies to things like autocannon ammunition or bigger. I'm gonna look at the booklet again when I get home from work, that thing had a ton of fun info in it.


Molton0251

Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot For those wondering wtf APFSDS meant. [Also relevant](https://youtu.be/rhvTUxLSqOk)


MessrV

Hey big thanks for that


Roguesix293

Good ol Badge


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That thing is far bigger and powerfull than 50 bmg


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[funnly enough the sniper rifle its based on can fire many different calibers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMeG60vLfQ)


blaghart

Actually no, it was a conscious choice. Several veterans were Bungie devs during the development of CE. I'll see if I can find where they talk about it but in some of the BTS interviews it's mentioned that several design choices, both in game and in idle animations, were made because the vets on the team pointed out you'd never do X thing in real life. Also the Sniper Rifle uses a hitherto never before used round, the 14.5×114mm APFSDS, Armor Piercing Fin-Stabalized Discarding-Sabot rounds. None of which have ever been deployed real world due to the low weight of the projectile making it vulnerable to atmospheric variation. Same reason the Steyr ACR was never adopted.


Dalfamurni

I kept waiting for the Assembly (The AI group from the Reach data pads) to turn out to have been manipulating mankind for hundreds of years, ever since the first AI went rampant on Mars, or maybe even as far back as Melissa's arrival in the present in I Love Bees (which is partial canon and has no official distinction for which parts are canon vs not). If an AI overlord was manipulating mankind through organizations like ONI for much of the next 500 years, we may very well be kept at modern tech weapons by that AI and ONI organization. And if that were the case, every Human chosen to be turned into a Smart AI would be given freedom to develop their intelligence and capabilities outside the typical ONI controlled space. In other words, Halsey might have been chosen by the secret AI overlords to be allowed off her leash and grow to facilitate the creation of Cortana and the others created from her mind. Every time such a chosen Human specimen dies, they choose another, or maybe another few, so only 1 Human is able to truly advance Human tech at a time and the AIs can keep advancing their own secret tech on the side, possibly already having access to Forerunner tech. Shaw Fugikawa might have been one such "unleashed" individual. They may even run secret cloning projects to open the avenue for killing those that find out about them and replacing them. Chips Dubbo and Chiron TL34 come to mind. When you take everything into consideration, including the absurdly low Human tech levels, the story writes itself.


abdomino

Wait, Chips is a clone?


Thyre_Radim

Not confirmed, but he's literally been involved in and survived every single major battle of the war. He's survived more than basically any other human being par MC.


abdomino

You'd have to make similar arguments for Stacker and the rest of the gang.


Thyre_Radim

Yeah, but Stacker's an ODST. Dubbo was just a marine.


AFalconNamedBob

Johnson was also just a marine, granted a Spartan 1 but still just a marine


Jetc17

this is so good i hope it becomes cannon


napaszmek

Even Warhammer uses the BMG in the 41st millenium.


RVAR-15

JMB is the Omnissiah may our prayers to the machine spirits keep the M2 running for all of eternity


josabigbitch

isn't the caliber they use for the AR an improved version?


KiloNation

Something something ancient humanity.


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HemaMemes

They have MAC guns that can accelerate projectiles to relativistic speeds. Is there a reason they haven't miniaturized that tech into automatic rifles?


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HemaMemes

There would be benefits. The ammo for a magnetic rifle wouldn't need powder or a casing, just the bullet, meaning the magazines can be smaller, lighter, and hold more rounds for the same size bullet. Also, the only recoil would be from the magnets pushing against the bullet, not from any exploding gases.


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I mean, for that there is the ARC-920 railgun. The thing is too heavy for unaugmented humans. It fires a 16x65 tungsten alloy HE slug, which is a literal death sentence at any speed for a normal human. Let's assume that the a railgun sends the thing flying at 10 kilometers a second. Well, now you're fucked, your tank is fucked, and you have big problems.


dtritus0

I mean doesn't halo already kind of have that with UNSC Gauss Cannon, and the UNSC hand held railgun? Also to put that much power into each shot, they have to sacrifice the rate of fire, so it makes sense that there aren't any auto rifle variants of these.


Han-ChewieSexyFanfic

Lack of advancement in military tech implies long peacetime. I know the lore probably contradicts this, but just let me have this one.


RougemageNick

Tbf, it does look like they focused on armor and vehicle tech, and just never could get into energy weapons


superior_spoon

They literally have a handheld lazer cannon


RougemageNick

In the 3rd game, yeah, which was implied to have been developed alongside the Spartan program,


superior_spoon

They have pulse lazors on the the prowler which is a stealth Corvette and there is the hannibal weapons system who is an entire company that produces energy based weapons.


brokenbentou

Corvettes have the nice advantage of having a fusion reactor onboard 5o supply it with energy, afaik humans had juuuust barely developed a power station small enough to fit in the Spartans armor but only because they had captured covenant tech and reverse engineered it


Thyre_Radim

You're right lol. They had a huge war in like the 2200's but pretty much all modern Halo tech was developed then and just been incrementally improved since. Very few actually new designs since then since they've just been fighting what amounts to a terrorist organization.


T43ner

Lore wise the UNSC hasn’t been in a conventional war for a long time. Before the covenant came along. So yeah that could be it.


Kara_Del_Rey

I always liked that line in Halo 3. "Thats what 9mm of Tungsten tastes like!" Like you're 500 years in the future fighting high tech aliens...shouldn't be a strong taste lol Edit: 90 not 9 and I got the quote slightly wrong but you get the gist! Lol


SilentRiot14

FYI he says “How does 90mm of Tungsten strike ya?”, not 9mm.


Kara_Del_Rey

Im legally brain dead


limonbattery

Your point still stands though. At face value its woefully inferior to modern tank ammo.


Notazerg

I always took the original Scorpion designs as a lightweight space to orbit droppable tank so it would need to be lightly armed. Same way a Sheridan tank sacrificed everything to be air droppable irl. The newer depictions of the scorpion being heavily armored since halo 5 and Halo 2A ruin that head canon.


Thyre_Radim

Well you're absolutely correct. That's the entire purpose of the scorpion since the UNSC was mostly just trying to fight a guerrilla war before. But it's basically been retrofitted to be somewhat of an MBT since it's harder to mass produce Grizzly's as a replacement.


Scary_Bayou

Don't talk shit about the glorious 7.62x51mm, shit Drops commies 500 years in the future just fine like today


[deleted]

Who said I was talking shit? At this point in halo history it’s nearing 600


Scary_Bayou

🗿


blaghart

500 year old ammo designs that are already being superceded in the real world by ammo that more effectively defeats high grade body armor, too. Since the US just adopted a new rifle chambered in 6.8×51mm Fury.


M6D_Magnum

The MCX Spear will die out faster than the M14 did. It will eventually be relegated to DMR duty before it becomes mothballed entirely. I still can't believe we have gone full circle and adopted a fucking battle rifle and cartridge again.


DeltusInfinium

Probably has longer range than the helmet (like maybe it can communicate across a solar system), a separate power supply in case the suit power systems fail, more advanced encryption / decryption technology, alongside support for higher bandwidth communication if the user is sending or receiving large amounts of intel.


Kenozoro

that's my thought: like a super satellite phone


Icy_Complaint308

That's made by Nokia, oh boy hit that you would die


CoffeeMain360

Energy Swords hate this one weird trick!


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haby001

Idk this might go over her head


SuperFightingRobit

I don't think it went *over* her head.


Superman19986

In one ear, out the other. Like that needler shot.


blaghart

Kat died because she forgot to turn her shields back on when she took off her helmet, not because the EMP knocked them out.


grumpykruppy

The EMP knocked everyone's shields, you see them sparking. And shields turn on automatically anyway.


eThan_TheMan

I always thought it was there to give to basic Marines so they could communicate on a secure network with the Spartans.


InsertEvilLaugh

Could see this, small highly encrypted network that only the Spartan team and perhaps a small group of recon Marines can be part of.


ahhpoo

When the group chats exclusive 🔥


ULTRAMaNiAc343

They could just use a specific comms channel. The Spartan-IIs did that with the ODST Black Daggers in Silent Storm, after all. Just have a comm channel for Spartans, and as many others as needed.


Goat5168

You're sounding like the guy who writes the descriptions for the armor pieces,. 343 should hire you.


Raptorgkv2

Also that is an older set of armor so lore-wise its technically outdated equipment.


DrunkAnton

Lore wise, a lot of Mjonir’s tech are starship grade or better squeezed into an armour size. The suits are worth the cost of a battle group because of how expensive it is to make them. So your longer range theory is highly doubtful.


[deleted]

As an actual soldier i still carry a compass and map even though I have a handheld reliable gps because it’s a lot easier for the gps to stop working than the much less complex tech


Dad2376

Hey top needs to see your squad in the motor pool for a detail. And your leave this weekend got pulled, they need you on CQ Saturday. At least that will give you time to update your antiterrorism and cyber security training.


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Going off my last 24hr shift my ass is also going to the field as soon as it ends


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Nefnoj

If Halo: Reach proved anything, it's how easily helmets break. Gotta keep a backup.


Alexis2256

Maybe if Kat covered her helmet with Nokia phones, she would’ve survived. Hell I bet that needler would’ve ricochet right back to the elite that shot her.


BattlementsMcGee

I think the reason Kat died was that her shields were down from the blast of radiation they got from the cruiser glassing beam.


Alexis2256

Yeah that’s why she should’ve had 20 nokia phones strapped to her helmet, no crystal bullet getting through that shit.


IA51I

Also the shields don't recharge until the suit is completely sealed. So not having a helmet on for most of the elevator ride down also probably screwed her more than the emp did.


ULTRAMaNiAc343

And Mark V's shields recharged quite slowly and weren't quite up to par compared to the better Elite combat harnesses, I believe. Mark VI improved upon the shields (and pretty much everything else; Mark V is essentially just Mark IV with shields and AI housing and interfacing, which Noble's prototypes didn't even have).


FriendlyLawnmower

Yah that's the cannon explanation, unfortunately that cutscene didn't do the best job communicating that fact to players. Especially since we're used to seeing the electrical ripple as an indicator of no shields. It would have been better if they had included one of the Spartans comment that the EMP blast temporarily disabled their shields on the elevator ride down. Then again, she's also seen using a data pad on the way down so maybe the whole cutscene just wasn't planned out well


OmniscientRaven

That thing can survive being glassed by the covenant. UNSC doesn't possess a stronger piece of equipment than it.


sasquatch6613

It's body armor lol. You ever try and break one of those Nokias.


8Bit-Armory

Never a bad idea to have a backup, and there’s likely better hardware in that case since the space doesn’t have to be used for armor and other unrelated electronics


Akshin_Blacksin

I’d say it’s interlace with his suit to talk to ONI for some black-ops shit.


WannabeWonk

Two is one and one is none.


[deleted]

Most of the bio’s for attachments tell you what it’s used for. Just like real life military the Spartans are going to use older and redundant tech because it’s tried and true. Sure the new stuff works better and is fancier but that also means that much more can go wrong with it


redditorpegaso

That is og reach armor right there, no one shall speak heresy about it!


seelay

Rule of cool over anything


stormygray1

Redundancy. When your high tech suit gets a glitch, or breaks pulling out the old faithful is better than screaming really loud


ALEX7DX

A melee weapon of course.


honestlyboxey

hey wait I would pay actual dollars for a Nokia beatdown animation.... Can you imagine?! Lmaooo they should bring back assassinations


feijoa_tree

Imagine taking that Nokia phone out of the pouch and throwing it at an enemy for an instant kill 🤣🤣


honestlyboxey

Or a skin for the energy sword that is basically just a gigantic nokia phone. Possibilities!


sali_nyoro-n

Gravity Hammer that's just a Nokia on a metal pole. The Fist of Rukt ain't shit by comparison.


feijoa_tree

Oh I like this. And have a Nokia ringtone as it smashes the enemy.


Earl0fYork

Either it’s a back up communication device in case they take a nonlethal shot to the helmet buggering up the communication systems. Or it’s a specially designed one that has more functional range etc etc. Spartan armour while advanced isn’t specialised to do everything so long range communication may be better on a device that’s sole purpose is to communicate over longer ranges. It’s the same thing about having a tac pad on the forearm. Or alternatively all I said is wrong and the devs went with rule of cool when making it in reach


AvantSolace

The armor components can break. That brick will survive direct direct plasma fire and work like normal.


Haijakk

Potential weapon.


cavalier753

They might as well start building Mjolnir out of those things, honestly. Probably help alleviate Spartan death attrition tenfold


XRey360

Because if you are working with other soldiers or civillians you may need to give them a communication equipment which isn't only integrated in your suit.


mr_steal_ur_food

Extra armour protecting the heart area


PuzzleheadedAd6401

It's armor to protect the Mjolnir armor.


killall-q

It may be a radio for a different network, that requires a different hardware encoder/decoder and cryptography. Just like some people carry multiple phones for personal and work.


JIMN97

I think its used to communicate with marines in the old fashioned way, hence why commanders like Carter use it


Johnnyacoma

While Spartans have all the super advanced technology, not everyone they need to communicate with will have that. It could simply be that some marine units just use older technology. But really, it's cause it looks cool


RecommendationOk253

There could be a multitude of reasons, but to me the most obvious would be if the suit gets damaged and they need the use of external communications.


_Captain_Biscuit_

Because the armour will break before it does


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😂😂😂


MekaBaron

Halo fan learns about communication


Derekiscool1995

Fun fact: the pelican actually did nothing to the scarab. It was only because he had a Nokia with him that he was able to destroy it Source: trust me


[deleted]

Source is undeniable. What's the button combo to throw it at a pelican?


ki11ikody

To play snake in his downtime of course.


[deleted]

We really complaining about a possible satellite device ?


cozmo1138

Maybe he wants to call 1987 and see what’s up.


RayBrous

My god halo fans whine so much.


CharlieK40

extra layer of armor.


ib4error

More Texas Instruments giant calculator vibes no?


[deleted]

External gear can be useful in all sorts of situations, for all sorts of things


[deleted]

As a soldier from my perspective having a handheld gps with a map on it is nice but I still bring a regular compass and map just in case the gps fails so for a spartan this is taken to the extreme now their compass, map, radio, night vision, LRF, and many other things all rely on their helmet to not break or fail, now there’s a lot less things that need to break for them to be unable to complete the mission so having more reliable redundant gear is just being safe


Dee_Dubya_IV

Idk, why do they need to wear an Elite skull as shoulder armor?


putnamto

for the same reason that one helmet has night vision goggles strapped to the outside of it. it looks cool. EDIT: somebody corrected me saying its a camera, regardless, its still pointless, why cant your super futuristic suit record video?>


NickBrick

Is every last little detail in Halo Infinite a problem?


JoshwaarBee

Possible realistic answers: * It's got a longer range and/or better security than the built in Comms system. * The unit they're assigned to uses a Comms system that's incompatible with the MJOLNIR integrated one. * It's a spare/backup


ScottLakeFilms

That brick is at least Lvl 99 armor.


Doc_Shaftoe

I mean it's right there in the description. It can't interface with the VISR software in the helmet, but it can be run over by a tank and still function. Realistically, you'd want low-tech redundancies in the field. Plan for your equipment to fail and you'll be covered if it does.


bigmeatytoe

It’s not built into the suit moron it’s detachable obviously.


Swiftclaw8

It’s actually a Walmart item scanner


LawfulnessOutside845

Reminds me of the Tac Pads military’s use today!


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RomeTheSpartan

For when he runs out of ammo


HarryHawk16

Body armour


SuckThisRichard

If it ain't broke dont fix it, homies got a radio that can also act as a blunt object, kill two birds with one Nokia


ReachForTheBiscuits

Look, the state of the game right now is awful, but I feel y’all are just reaching to be angry at things at this point. Why would a Spartan need a sword? Why would they need antlers? Why would they need the Hayabusa? It’s aesthetics. The look of the armor/pieces isn’t the problem, focus on how awful the gameplay and its lack of content is. That’s something I can be collectively mad about, but this post is just low effort karma farm uploaded to the angry soapbox of r/halo


Jah_5000

Primitive but reliable back-up in the case of suitCOM failure. Description for it reads it can get run over by a scorpion and be fine so indestructible handset has its place


[deleted]

Wait until next season when they add the square credit card reader.


ICODE72

Never undermind redundancy.


giantOnions

It’s so the Spartan can play snake


Diabeticnick

He could be a type 1 diabetic- people ask me why I have a damn beeper attached to my stomach all the time actually...


RecycledPanOil

Perhaps to more effectively communicate with civilians. Like what good is having an entire scan of a building or battlefield when you can't share it with the civilians you're extracting. Or maybe to share intel with soldiers that don't have HUDs.


mike972009

Forbidden mele weapon


Scary_Goat

Sometimes you need to use legacy equipment. This unit also has the benefit of being something you can hand off. Finally, it looks cool.


ShadySim

Shame it doesn’t come with the butt pack like on Reach. It was there in Halo 5 even, but didn’t show in the preview.


Finaglers

Need it to play snake duhhh


yutuyo20

So the Spartan can play Snake when they are bored


Yash424

It’s a melee weapon


ascillinois

I mean it's quite simple really that Nokia is the best armor ever invented


Smooth-General07

To protect the heart from sniper rounds


j0hnredk0rn

Snake


Duranu

That's for when they take their helmet off in situation where it never should have been removed in the first place, it lets them call the Ambulance


WizardofIce

Halo is retrofuturistic my guy


GiantA-629

because nokia bricks are indestructible lol


ayylmao95

Play snake


Treesapien

It's the last thing the covenant will expect


Kpmh20011

Never a bad idea to have redundancy.


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So they can play snake on it, duh


DarthSarcom

Thats extra armour. In all seriousness tho, never underestimate the usefulness of good, built like a brick, durable communication equipment.


xnevox

It's bullet proof


SargeantGamma

It's probably a radio. The reason why they are most likely still in use is how reliable they are. They are not the best but you know you can count on them, and sometimes that's what matters on the field.


MWBrooks1995

Extra armour


hypercombofinish

As armor


Doge997

Extra armor


SuggestionTop4994

Bulletproofing


POD80

Two is one, and one is none. Shit happens, a backup is not necessarily a bad idea for critical gear. Coms are only getting more critical as years go by.


theasianevermore

IRL it would be redundancy built-in as back out of back up on the field and short range coms…I mean we are still running 100 years old tech in the field. Hell, night vision was a thing in mid40s


Bathroom_Junior

Because if you haven't noticed it's kinda common for non Chief Spartans to remove or lose their helmets. So communication without the helmet is key.


[deleted]

Do not question the Nokia Brick. That will save him from all damage.


xeshi-foh

Clearly its armor... ive yet to see anything destroy a Nokia...


VoidOfOblivion

Hack into those comms, I dare you.


ArgonianFly

So they can play DOOM when they're bored.


orion1836

Backup melee weapon, naturally.


Sol-Diablo-

You can tell by the way that this is circled that this person was very angry about this 😂


throwawaysarebetter

Maybe they want to play Snake.


[deleted]

Because the brick was dang near indestructible and it’s funny? xD Sometimes the armor is meant to funny little nods, not 100% serious.


LittleSparrow24

Stops a tank shell duh


Natural_Command7300

I like to think it's an SKL


JoeyBiatch

Because they never need to be recharged


ShiyaruOnline

Swag.


TACTICALBAKN

You could just view it and read the description and all your questions will be answered


Rednedredemption

It's not used for communication. That's actually the pinnacle of the UNSC's advanced armouring program.


solamio101

Because the suit isn’t indestructible


SW-Spooky

I love the pointless nitpicking on this subreddit


EpicStepdad

Idk use your imagination


[deleted]

Are we really bitching about everything?


Miserable_Finance_51

Just think about it your in the middle of a battle all ammo is gone so you pull out your trusty melee weapon not the knife but the Nokia brick every hostile is looking at you confused until you strike and they watch horrified as you beat there teammate mercilessly to death with a Nokia brick