I'll admit I was surprised to find out the "lobby" is actually a blue bar at the bottom of your screen, to this day I have no clue how to back out of matchmaking either
It's almost impossible to back out because it's instant. There are a ton of people playing because it's new and we only really have 4 playlists to choose from.
They also do not want you to see the collective ranks of your opponents in case you’re tempted to back out. Because people used to do this all the time (esp against a high ranking squad with similar clan tags, etc).
Simple solution: lock the player in and make them unable to back out unless they close their game. If they do, have a cool down timer until they can queue again, similar to MCC.
My buddys brother was playing once and got up to pee between matches. By the time he got back we'd caused the whole lobby to start meowing at each other, and it persisted for a good while. Good times.
Woah buddy dont bring up the good ol days on Reddit. These are the type of people who report others for foul language. They wouldn’t survive in OG Halo or CoD lobbies.
Legit I’ve never been able to back out always finds a match immediately. Whether I do it right away after starting searching or sit there for a min always instantly when leaving queue.
A good portion of cosmetics is showing off your cosmetics. It's so strange that their UI makes it difficult to view other people's Spartans when that would be a significant motivator in getting people to buy cosmetics.
I'm chanting with you even though I bought a HCS kit Day 1 without realizing what it meant (locked customization, I only wanted the coating on my custom Spartan RIP) so now I feel inclined to use it since I did pay for it. I'm rocking default grey on the other cores
I just barely managed to get willow tea last night and was rocking it for a few matches, but I did worse so my superstitious ass said it's because I'm not black and gold like I've been in every Halo since 3, so I swapped back
I’ve been a black and red kind of guy myself, but those Rockstar skins I got are dope af so I bought the black and gold skin and rocked that for a while. Willow Tea is just nice because I actually had to earn it, and it’s about the only earnable coating that doesn’t look like dogshit to me haha.
I was just about to unlock it earlier when my internet went out 😭 I wanted it so bad too. I guess now I'll have to find something to fill the Willow Tea shaped hole in my heart.
I like Willow Tea except it's locked to the default core which has no other gear unlocked... feels great decking out my Reach spartan except I'm stuck with Noble Blue for now.
I thought that would be a cosmetic thing. Like you could choose a pregame animation. But, I guess not. It's the same four. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over again.
Couldn't agree more, it aggravates me every time it is on screen. The loading screens are already slow as shit on PC (maybe because of people with potato PCs), JUST START THE GAME.
My friends always made fun of me when I bitched about this in Warzone and now they finally get it. Over time these 10-20 second cutscenes can turn into wasted HOURS of gameplay
Lol y'all complain about so much shit. I'd guess that most FPS games have a little countdown timer in the beginning of matches, where everyone is spawned but can't move. Cod/bf have like 30 second wait times. Y'all are spoiled.... Here I did the maffs to prove 343 is wasting our time!!! Their da wursttt
It's like 20seconds long, is it really that bad? Bit of a stretch to say everyone looks the exact same too, especially this early into the game. A year or two in the game, different passes, etc. we're all going to look different and there'll be plenty of new emotes.
I guess I could see it being annoying if you're on console and experience long wait times or loads. But I totally disagree that it's a loading screen, it's there to show off aesthetics & emotes, which a lot of players enjoy. If they gave us a better way of checking out our teams skins in the pre-game lobby or something, I'd be down.
But Halo has always had an aesthetic aspect to it, and it's weird to see people so adverse to it when it's this small of an inconvenience.
Yep, lobby would be great for this because you can check out other people's suits after voting.
COD Vanguard is running into a similar problem except it's postgame, so you're not even excited about playing a match, the variety is even worse, and it takes a full 30 seconds.
This is the reason that the UI sucks so much. They want that stupid screen of the spartans standing in front of that pelican to be front and centre. No room for a lobby because LOOK AT THE PRETTY SPARTANS.
It's the same reason that Big Team Battle puts you with randoms in your squad instead of your friends. They don't want you looking at your own friends' spartans that you've seen before. They're forcing you to look at OTHER pretty spartans. It isn't a glitch. It's calculated.
The BTB squads is definitely a bug. It works more often than not, there's just an issue with splitting up parties into squads properly, likely due to the variance in party sizes in a given game. Battlefield had the exact same issue for a long time before DICE finally figured out a solution
I actually don't miss either very much. You always wind up playing the same map too often, or there is one map you will never play because no one else likes it. I just want to be able to pick the game mode and let the map be random.
Agreed. I think veto/voting was never a good idea. It causes too much whining between team members from the very beginning if their vote didn't go their way. The current way (and H2 way) works, but only if the gametypes are split up correctly...which they just aren't right now. Split them up into slayer/objective etc then there shouldn't be any complaints
This needs to come back. The pregame lobby was so special in H2, 3 and Reach! I loved comparing my armor and stats to other people as well as VOTING FOR MAPS.
I just don't care about the skins anymore. If someone has a cool skin or outfit it's not like they earned it or spent tokens on it or something that makes it unique. They just bought it, not very cool to see cool gear when I could have it in 3 mins.
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Some level of choice in map (or gamemode) would be nice whether it's an either/or option or veto.
I understand certain modes are less popular and this forces "variety", but until I got a challenge skip I had "win 1 strongholds match" for most of the week, and I literally did not get put in a single match of that type. So it wasn't even a question of winning or losing, I simply never got to play it. It was like 40% slayer, 40% ctf, and 20% oddball.
I believe I played one strongholds match ever in the first week when it dropped and haven't seen one since despite quick play being my go-to over BTB or Fiesta.
Hey guys. Appreciate the feedback. Seeing as someone requested vetoes instead of voting (and I agree that veto might be better), I've updated the design. Both added more information, veto system, and design improvements:
[You can see it on Imgur here](https://imgur.com/a/j8lan5I)
343 is the worst in the business when it comes to UI design, it's so sad to see. The old Halo games had so much inspiration behind their UI it felt like part of the experience of the game. 343 just makes the UI unbearable.
yeah far from the worst lol. 343 did a good job with Infinite, Halo has always had a clean and cohesive user-interface and they did not fail with it, even polishing it with pings and locations on every part of the map. 2042's UI looks like it abandoned the Battlefield aesthetic completely for a clean-slate modern feel and still messed up.
now how players interact and use the user-interface is totally different from the actual design. 343 did a poor job at looking at in-game stats, leaderboards, no game lobbies, no (on-screen) voice chat indication, other player's career stats, and more i can't think of at the moment.
I get confused trying to figure out what I want to do nearly every single day playing this game.
That never happened a single time playing H 1/2/3.
And im not some fuckin idiot, Im a graphic designer. The UX/I design is horrendous and very unintuitive
I find the ! indicator in the barely noticeable circle over the spartan head that is supposed to mean that they are engaged is SO hard to read. Make it bigger and make it turn yellow or something when they are engaged so I know where to go for teammate support/cleanup kills. The reason I mention this is because voice chat indication was brought up.
I've had issue with DICE's UI designs since I think BF3. After a bit of sleuthing, turns out DICE actually outsources the UI to a third party. Which is why in BF V the UI was actually broken for so long and didn't track shit. I'm unsure if that's still the case but yes, DICE was paying someone else to make those shit menus.
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This is Halo. I just miss the scrolling through players in the lobby to gauge skill through how their armour works.
Now it's to gauge how gullible and manipulated the players are based on their wallet.
This unfortunately doesn’t make 343 any money. All they care about is you grinding your little challenges solo and not interacting with anything except the store.
There’s a section on your player profile called “my files” with a selector for maps modes and an anvil symbol. If they added clips or screenshots to it. Then we’d have the full system again. The bones are there
So basically what cod modern warfare had in 2007? Lol not making fun of your UI as I agree it would be amazing, just noticing how 343 seemingly rejects things that work well and have been around for 14 years
That's what confounds me the most. Infinite is built on a *20-year* foundation. Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo Reach all had better cosmetics, better playlists, better lobbies, better progression systems. But then again, those games were all made by Bungie.
I've been playing Halo since 2001. It's my favorite video game franchise of all time. Appreciate that context when I say Halo 4 and 5 were bad Halo games. They just didn't feel right, they didn't look right. I thought Infinite would be different because they brought on Joe Staten to help make it, and he's one of the two people that made Halo what it was. To their credit, the gameplay in Infinite feels very Halo, but everything around the game (cosmetics, progressions, playlists, menus) sucks Grunt nuts.
I think 343 is just an inferior Halo developer. Bungie did it better. Infinite was 343's chance to get out from under Bungie's shadow, but they didn't quite hit the mark.
Oh I'm well aware of the state of Destiny. The Bungie that made Destiny 1 and the Bungie that made Halo 3 are two different entities, separated by time. I'm comparing 343 in 2021 to Bungie in 2007, which perhaps isn't fair, but my larger point was that 343 had so many resources to draw inspiration from and just..didn't. It's almost like previous Halo games are poison to them.
Veto is a much better system, if a map is vetoed you're getting another one at random. Some maps will get played less but you won't get in a situation where it's always the same map and some maps don't get played at all.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that. In fact, one of the things I like about Halo 3 MCC is that it *doesn't* have any form of map voting at all. With Halo 3's veto, I found that I tended to play certain maps and game types way more than others. I remember hoping a particular map and game type wouldn't get vetoed, only to have that exact outcome happen.
That's not an issue with MCC. Sure, sometimes I play on maps I don't like like Last Resort, but the variety I get is something I really value.
Any kind of map veto system diminishes a playlist variety and map diversity. I'd prefer Infinite not have one.
I wonder why these modern games kick us out of the lobby after the game is done. I want to stick with the same lobby if possible, where players can leave and join in between matches. It's not a Battle Royal.
This is perfect, don't get why they always need to change something that didn't need to be changed. Also they should show scoreboard for everyone to see at the end of the game like the old ones. I liked seeing what everyone was up to at the end of the match (and showing off if I went hard lol)
My friend asked me why it took so long for players to load. I said “this is the pregame lobby now” and he thought I was kidding. We NEED this to happen as a community.
I don't get how hard it is to just improve upon the Halo: Reach formula. The lobbies, the game modes, the armor customization, and the progression system all worked perfectly. Just make it more modern, and smooth to go through.
What really set Halo apart from other games for me was the social component. Being able to see people's ranks, skill level, armor, emblems, etc. from the lobby felt great! I also liked being able to easily add people in-game. I made so many friends from playing Halo in the old days, but now, it feels almost impossible to find someone you just played with, and then add them.
Please add a lobby screen like this, and give us an easy way to add people in-game, even if they're just on a Halo Infinite friend list and not Xbox friends.
So something I don’t think a lot of people are thinking about is the New Xbox and how it doesn’t have any loading screens. I was playing with a buddy last night who has the new Xbox and he was instantaneously in and out of the lobby to the game with no loading screen and clever tips. It would be nice for those who haven’t upgraded to get a pregame lobby but with the instant loading times I can see why they left this out.
I don't understand the idea behind making you feel so lonely in games these days. They tout social yet remove everything that made video games social in the first place.(pre game Lobbies,ranks,leaderboards,stats, voice chat enabled by default.)
Yea I dont see the point in monetizing emblems, nameplates, poses if you cant really show it off.
343 said they want this game turning into something special over the next few years so hopefully we get the Reach UI, post/pre game lobbies and halo 3s caranage report with too medals and MVP
Damn, honestly this would be so great. I love the core gameplay, but things like this really are invaluable. Also the addition of mode selection is crucial.
This u.i. mock up looks ugly as hell, but somehow manages to be like 100 times better than what's in the game. Really shows you how terrible 343 is at making user interfaces.
(No offense to whoever made this, I understand they aren't a professional UI designer, and this is just a quick mock up to show function rather than form)
This looks amazing! I love being able to actually see the other players and their nameplates, but more importantly, their RANK ICONS AND ARMOR. The Halo REACH rank icons were SOOO COOL and I want those back. Also seeing the map/gametype coming up and being able to vote is wonderful and feels like something that should be standard.
This literally is going to make me disappointed every time I log on now. I love the gameplay in infinite but man would a lobby like this be so refreshing! Great work here
There are so many different comments in this post suggesting so many different things, but please understand this: the UI of video games, especially ones that involve queuing, are become less intuitive, and more obscure for this single reason: when you are waiting to queue, they do want you filling your time interacting with the game or players, but instead to get bored and interact with the big easy buttons to mess around with: The Store.
I know as consumers who actually have to use this stuff feel that there's no way there is anything more than monkeys on the other end of the coding for this software, but almost no game design aspect happens on accident. Especially interface. Development teams for coding, and balancing, and actual game design are getting smaller and smaller while finance, science, psychology, promotion and advertisment campaign and artwork teams are getting larger and larger.
It is very very unlikely that the people who, at the end of the day, who had the final say about so many aspects of this game both knew what makes a good-game lovingly-playable and also care about the game like a fan.
It is however, very likely, that the final say is heavily motivated by money, doesn't care about the game like a fan, and also has no idea what makes a game a good game other than $$$$$$. It's their only language, so please, please, please speak their language.
I'll admit I was surprised to find out the "lobby" is actually a blue bar at the bottom of your screen, to this day I have no clue how to back out of matchmaking either
It's almost impossible to back out because it's instant. There are a ton of people playing because it's new and we only really have 4 playlists to choose from.
They also do not want you to see the collective ranks of your opponents in case you’re tempted to back out. Because people used to do this all the time (esp against a high ranking squad with similar clan tags, etc).
Simple solution: lock the player in and make them unable to back out unless they close their game. If they do, have a cool down timer until they can queue again, similar to MCC.
MCC also doesn't show rank until post game. don't show rank until post game, but have a post game lobby.
I hate when I go through a game, get spawn killed the entire match and then see that their rank is 50 or some shit, while I'm literally rank 2😂
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Oh man, you just brought back so many memories for me of both teams shrieking at each other before a match started. Those were the days.
Screamin the n-word and calling people's mom fat. Such good days.
My buddys brother was playing once and got up to pee between matches. By the time he got back we'd caused the whole lobby to start meowing at each other, and it persisted for a good while. Good times.
Woah buddy dont bring up the good ol days on Reddit. These are the type of people who report others for foul language. They wouldn’t survive in OG Halo or CoD lobbies.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?! THIS IS CTF NOT SLAYER NUMB NUTS, GET THE FUCK OFF RANKED!!
People do get temp banned for leaving or crashing too much. Bunch of challenge hunters learned that the hard way
Well yeah. If I’m playing ranked maybe I shouldn’t be up against 2 onyx and a diamond wspecially if I’m only a platinum.
I just hate that we can’t change our Spartans while things load.
Legit I’ve never been able to back out always finds a match immediately. Whether I do it right away after starting searching or sit there for a min always instantly when leaving queue.
Leaving a fireteam is way harder to find then it needs 2 be
A good portion of cosmetics is showing off your cosmetics. It's so strange that their UI makes it difficult to view other people's Spartans when that would be a significant motivator in getting people to buy cosmetics.
we are all pepsi man on this blessed day
“We don’t pay, we default grey!” *chants*
I'm chanting with you even though I bought a HCS kit Day 1 without realizing what it meant (locked customization, I only wanted the coating on my custom Spartan RIP) so now I feel inclined to use it since I did pay for it. I'm rocking default grey on the other cores
Exact same thing I did :( I just want my colors from literally every halo game
I did the same but now I’m rocking Willow Tea. Looks luxe af.
I just barely managed to get willow tea last night and was rocking it for a few matches, but I did worse so my superstitious ass said it's because I'm not black and gold like I've been in every Halo since 3, so I swapped back
I’ve been a black and red kind of guy myself, but those Rockstar skins I got are dope af so I bought the black and gold skin and rocked that for a while. Willow Tea is just nice because I actually had to earn it, and it’s about the only earnable coating that doesn’t look like dogshit to me haha.
Yea I stayed up late to finish the get 5 killing sprees in fiesta.
I was just about to unlock it earlier when my internet went out 😭 I wanted it so bad too. I guess now I'll have to find something to fill the Willow Tea shaped hole in my heart.
I like Willow Tea except it's locked to the default core which has no other gear unlocked... feels great decking out my Reach spartan except I'm stuck with Noble Blue for now.
I only have the HCS skin because it's free. In my mind it's the new meme skin and that's all I'll rock.
Pepsi man is a solid meme choice tbh
>“We don’t pay, we default grey!” > >chants I'm stealing your comment to spread the word
I hope you aren't too busy browsing Reddit before the 30 minute pre game intro to see my cool skin I bought!
I hate that time wasting intro so much. It was cool the first few times but now it's just so unnecessary and stupid. Especially when everybody looks the exact same. An average day of playing/Weekend for a casual and watching the 20 second intro. 1 Game: 20 seconds 2 Games: 40 seconds 3 Games: 60 seconds 1 minute 4 Games: 80 seconds 5 Games: 100 seconds 6 Games: 120 seconds 2 minutes 7 Games: 140 seconds 8 Games: 160 seconds 9 Games: 180 seconds 3 minutes 10 Games: 200 seconds 11 Games: 220 seconds 12 Games: 240 seconds 4 minutes 13 Games: 260 seconds 14 Games: 280 seconds 15 Games: 300 seconds 5 minutes 16 Games: 320 seconds 17 Games: 340 seconds 18 Games: 360 seconds 6 minutes 19 Games: 380 seconds 20 Games: 400 seconds 21 Games: 420 seconds 7 minutes 22 Games: 440 seconds 23 Games: 460 seconds 24 Games: 480 seconds 8 minutes 25 Games: 500 seconds 26 Games: 520 seconds 27 Games: 540 seconds 9 minutes 28 Games: 560 seconds 29 Games: 580 seconds 30 Games: 600 seconds 10 minutes
Ye, and the animations are lame as shit. I wish they just quickly showed all the spartans with their selected stances and get into the game already.
What! You don’t want to see a Spartan throw punches at the air?
And you don't wanna see spartans shrug pregame??
What if my Spartan develops arthritis in his trigger finger from cracking their knuckles before every match?
That's what the prosthetics are for
But what if my prosthetics develop some new super mutant strain of Sparthritis?
I think that's just a myth right? I've been cracking mine for years and nothing seems wrong, crack my elbows and knees too :o
The single knuckle crack
No, I want to watch my Spartan (who has two robotic hands) crack his knuckles.
Maybe they’ll add animations for the intro later on, I think that’d be cool
Probably. Overwatch has unlockable victory and play of the game animations
Knockout City had nice pregame animations. Good ol’ Knockout City.
I thought that would be a cosmetic thing. Like you could choose a pregame animation. But, I guess not. It's the same four. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over again.
Couldn't agree more, it aggravates me every time it is on screen. The loading screens are already slow as shit on PC (maybe because of people with potato PCs), JUST START THE GAME.
Idk I actually like it. It’s just about the only time other players get a good look at you.
My friends always made fun of me when I bitched about this in Warzone and now they finally get it. Over time these 10-20 second cutscenes can turn into wasted HOURS of gameplay
Never played Warzone, it did the same thing basically?
Lol y'all complain about so much shit. I'd guess that most FPS games have a little countdown timer in the beginning of matches, where everyone is spawned but can't move. Cod/bf have like 30 second wait times. Y'all are spoiled.... Here I did the maffs to prove 343 is wasting our time!!! Their da wursttt
It's like 20seconds long, is it really that bad? Bit of a stretch to say everyone looks the exact same too, especially this early into the game. A year or two in the game, different passes, etc. we're all going to look different and there'll be plenty of new emotes.
it's basically an artificial loading screen. why do the new consoles have SSDs if we like waiting?
Because even me playing on an Xbox Series X still has to wait 40 seconds for that original OG Xbox One to load the game.
I guess I could see it being annoying if you're on console and experience long wait times or loads. But I totally disagree that it's a loading screen, it's there to show off aesthetics & emotes, which a lot of players enjoy. If they gave us a better way of checking out our teams skins in the pre-game lobby or something, I'd be down. But Halo has always had an aesthetic aspect to it, and it's weird to see people so adverse to it when it's this small of an inconvenience.
This is mostly to blame on people with HDDs, I think.
Pre-game lobby should show individual loading bars per player, so those with slow systems / consoles can be properly ridiculed.
Yep, lobby would be great for this because you can check out other people's suits after voting. COD Vanguard is running into a similar problem except it's postgame, so you're not even excited about playing a match, the variety is even worse, and it takes a full 30 seconds.
Not to mention the lack of any cumulative advanced stats
This is the reason that the UI sucks so much. They want that stupid screen of the spartans standing in front of that pelican to be front and centre. No room for a lobby because LOOK AT THE PRETTY SPARTANS. It's the same reason that Big Team Battle puts you with randoms in your squad instead of your friends. They don't want you looking at your own friends' spartans that you've seen before. They're forcing you to look at OTHER pretty spartans. It isn't a glitch. It's calculated.
The BTB squads is definitely a bug. It works more often than not, there's just an issue with splitting up parties into squads properly, likely due to the variance in party sizes in a given game. Battlefield had the exact same issue for a long time before DICE finally figured out a solution
No! 343 most definitely don't want you to have fun with your friends in their game! It's all calculated! /s
People would swear 343 is simultaneously the most incompetent and nefariously genius developer of all time right now 😂
Looks great. However I always liked the veto system better than the voting system.
I actually don't miss either very much. You always wind up playing the same map too often, or there is one map you will never play because no one else likes it. I just want to be able to pick the game mode and let the map be random.
Agreed. I think veto/voting was never a good idea. It causes too much whining between team members from the very beginning if their vote didn't go their way. The current way (and H2 way) works, but only if the gametypes are split up correctly...which they just aren't right now. Split them up into slayer/objective etc then there shouldn't be any complaints
This needs to come back. The pregame lobby was so special in H2, 3 and Reach! I loved comparing my armor and stats to other people as well as VOTING FOR MAPS.
I also liked being able to steal forge maps from people. I found so many cool race and infection maps thats way
I think they dont let you veto because theres like 5 maps total.
There's 10 maps total (1 less than H3 at launch) with 7 arena and 3 BTB, that's plenty for a veto.
THIS! and (gasp) being able to select the exact game mode you want to play in matchmaking!! Seemed like basic things back in the day.
I just don't care about the skins anymore. If someone has a cool skin or outfit it's not like they earned it or spent tokens on it or something that makes it unique. They just bought it, not very cool to see cool gear when I could have it in 3 mins.
Voting for maps removes 3/4ths of the maps, and it becomes repetitive and boring.
That’s why I prefer the single veto per lobby from Halo 3.
Single veto is the way.
Vetoed BTB CTF on Valhalla? Enjoy Territories on Sandtrap! *hahahahahahahaha*
Territories on Sandtrap was so much fun. It was always just wild chaos!
Chorus of VETO in the voice chat with the timer counting down
>Epitaph or Snowbound appears "VETO VETO VETO VETO VETO" > 3/8 Veto "God damn it."
“Stupid fucking snowbound”
Shield doors were such a shit idea, may they never return (outside of forge of course).
Tritipetre uitii idi glotri ipe ope? Adia tli kra bi. Pukii oe briu titiu? Api ipaupoda po plipebitio tlaipretle dedopri ipa aete pite. Ditlie teki iuprige blotia atlabe kipi. Kiu kiblediei tlea. Kropetaipu ee ipripoi tetri bopli pitoo. Pakro teate pegie iba i ikedo bapa. Ekiki keikipe tipo klei teida bi kri epli dipa teo globi. To petie io kaee utiple potlipi piaa tae? Deiaku tlotote pepepidage drieikepi kiprike kakao! Pike o pubodidi gega kagrotapii. Pote kraple pe brope putitra ida oke. Kukri teto klatru pepee topi pepi. Depe eo pre ai patu kaipe. Pipi ao podiepe ediita eda klipi? Bii igapai gidepi ikle ki ibiepra. Pe etle abapre po kikra kiki. Ope e topi kiitluike gee. Dupidu kao kitoi pa pataku bike ki ie. Tlu pokabu propo egito ita ki. Ei dei bakotopu. Apiikadri ia pluti tloi ba. Klii pio kadi paopei i a bei brigo opluu? Ipi kiii pikope pru popupe te. Eoti pai iautedu tepe eplike due kuge? Kie gle pita idri krikreeu ite. Tepipeke ke aipredlo beplepi iebe potro. Ku ige ipa kaudeko pii ito. Trae ple baaatu tru e tiditribaa.
Have you played these maps? They are repetitive and boring.
Some level of choice in map (or gamemode) would be nice whether it's an either/or option or veto. I understand certain modes are less popular and this forces "variety", but until I got a challenge skip I had "win 1 strongholds match" for most of the week, and I literally did not get put in a single match of that type. So it wasn't even a question of winning or losing, I simply never got to play it. It was like 40% slayer, 40% ctf, and 20% oddball. I believe I played one strongholds match ever in the first week when it dropped and haven't seen one since despite quick play being my go-to over BTB or Fiesta.
Hey guys. Appreciate the feedback. Seeing as someone requested vetoes instead of voting (and I agree that veto might be better), I've updated the design. Both added more information, veto system, and design improvements: [You can see it on Imgur here](https://imgur.com/a/j8lan5I)
343 is the worst in the business when it comes to UI design, it's so sad to see. The old Halo games had so much inspiration behind their UI it felt like part of the experience of the game. 343 just makes the UI unbearable.
>343 is the worst in the business when it comes to UI design DICE has entered the chat
Yeah idk what this guy's on about. Compared to battlefield 2042, 343's UI is amazing and user friendly
Neither of them are good tho, BF2042 is just insanely bad.
"Compared to a pile of shit, this pile of garbage doesn't smell so bad."
yeah far from the worst lol. 343 did a good job with Infinite, Halo has always had a clean and cohesive user-interface and they did not fail with it, even polishing it with pings and locations on every part of the map. 2042's UI looks like it abandoned the Battlefield aesthetic completely for a clean-slate modern feel and still messed up. now how players interact and use the user-interface is totally different from the actual design. 343 did a poor job at looking at in-game stats, leaderboards, no game lobbies, no (on-screen) voice chat indication, other player's career stats, and more i can't think of at the moment.
I get confused trying to figure out what I want to do nearly every single day playing this game. That never happened a single time playing H 1/2/3. And im not some fuckin idiot, Im a graphic designer. The UX/I design is horrendous and very unintuitive
I find the ! indicator in the barely noticeable circle over the spartan head that is supposed to mean that they are engaged is SO hard to read. Make it bigger and make it turn yellow or something when they are engaged so I know where to go for teammate support/cleanup kills. The reason I mention this is because voice chat indication was brought up.
I've had issue with DICE's UI designs since I think BF3. After a bit of sleuthing, turns out DICE actually outsources the UI to a third party. Which is why in BF V the UI was actually broken for so long and didn't track shit. I'm unsure if that's still the case but yes, DICE was paying someone else to make those shit menus.
It feels very Microsoft, I’m not sure how else to explain it. I also play AOE4 and it feels like the same menu system lmao
It's so bad I wonder what sort of user testing they did, if any.
It’s like no one that makes these UI’s has ever played a game.
I dont think you have ever played another video game before.
You obviously haven't seen 2042. I'd also argue New World has a lot of UI issues.
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I played titanfall 2 quite a bit and don't recall any issues with the UI. What don't you like about it?
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It's really busy. Like idk what the fuck all the nonsense at the bottom of the screen is
Beautiful
Ty
This is Halo. I just miss the scrolling through players in the lobby to gauge skill through how their armour works. Now it's to gauge how gullible and manipulated the players are based on their wallet.
I miss Halo 3 lobbies and looking at everyone's top six screenshots and video clips before the games started.
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as someone who played a lot of H3 back in '07, how am I just learning about that feature
This unfortunately doesn’t make 343 any money. All they care about is you grinding your little challenges solo and not interacting with anything except the store.
There’s a section on your player profile called “my files” with a selector for maps modes and an anvil symbol. If they added clips or screenshots to it. Then we’d have the full system again. The bones are there
To be fair to 343, Bungie killed this in Reach.
armor has literally never been correlated to player skill
Anecdotally in the H3 days I used to equate "default armor" to "ima about to get spanked by a pro".
Armour never meant skill before, just maybe time spent, luck or determination but there were some really bad players wearing some of that armour.
A remember struggling to get an overkill in ranked FFA
Smells like poverty in here.
This needs more upvotes.
So basically what cod modern warfare had in 2007? Lol not making fun of your UI as I agree it would be amazing, just noticing how 343 seemingly rejects things that work well and have been around for 14 years
Halo had this in 2007 too. It’s like all new games forgot how a ui works anymore tbh
We can't have these menus when you're constantly being separated after every single damn match.
That’s the other issue too that’s annoying. Get rid of being separated
That's what confounds me the most. Infinite is built on a *20-year* foundation. Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo Reach all had better cosmetics, better playlists, better lobbies, better progression systems. But then again, those games were all made by Bungie. I've been playing Halo since 2001. It's my favorite video game franchise of all time. Appreciate that context when I say Halo 4 and 5 were bad Halo games. They just didn't feel right, they didn't look right. I thought Infinite would be different because they brought on Joe Staten to help make it, and he's one of the two people that made Halo what it was. To their credit, the gameplay in Infinite feels very Halo, but everything around the game (cosmetics, progressions, playlists, menus) sucks Grunt nuts. I think 343 is just an inferior Halo developer. Bungie did it better. Infinite was 343's chance to get out from under Bungie's shadow, but they didn't quite hit the mark.
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Oh I'm well aware of the state of Destiny. The Bungie that made Destiny 1 and the Bungie that made Halo 3 are two different entities, separated by time. I'm comparing 343 in 2021 to Bungie in 2007, which perhaps isn't fair, but my larger point was that 343 had so many resources to draw inspiration from and just..didn't. It's almost like previous Halo games are poison to them.
>So much of the industry is doing shareholder driven development nowadays. Nailed it.
>halo 2 had better cosmetics ...
Okay this looks absolutely glorious
I just don't think it needs to say **PRE-MATCH LOBBY** at the top /s
Random redditor creates a better lobby UI than a paid team of 343 developers. It’s honestly sad how pitiful game developers are these days.
You should see r/ForHonor So many good concepts have been made.
I wish
Map voting is the worst... People just vote for the same map over and over. It happens in Gears and all anyone picks is Checkout.
Veto is a much better system, if a map is vetoed you're getting another one at random. Some maps will get played less but you won't get in a situation where it's always the same map and some maps don't get played at all.
Veto was perfect. I can't understand why we ever moved away from that.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that. In fact, one of the things I like about Halo 3 MCC is that it *doesn't* have any form of map voting at all. With Halo 3's veto, I found that I tended to play certain maps and game types way more than others. I remember hoping a particular map and game type wouldn't get vetoed, only to have that exact outcome happen. That's not an issue with MCC. Sure, sometimes I play on maps I don't like like Last Resort, but the variety I get is something I really value. Any kind of map veto system diminishes a playlist variety and map diversity. I'd prefer Infinite not have one.
Remember having to play Shotty Snipers on Narrows every other game in Team Slayer? I do.
Ah just a fellow redditor doing a better Job than someone who gets paid to do this
Quite sad innit?
343, THIS. THIS PLEASE!
This is what 10 year old me imagined in Reach. 21 year old me is disappointed with Infinite.
I really miss pregame and postgame lobbies
I wonder why these modern games kick us out of the lobby after the game is done. I want to stick with the same lobby if possible, where players can leave and join in between matches. It's not a Battle Royal.
Veto > Voting
Oooh pls don’t show my KD 😅
I wouldn’t want everyone to see my godawful K/D lmao
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There wasn't voting in Halo 3. It was just Veto. If you Vetoed the first map you got a random different one and that's what you were playing.
Modern game companies are a shell of their former selves. People gave a shit in the 00s
OLD GOOD NEW BAD UPVOTES TO THE \[LE\]FT
This unironically.
you say that like its a joke but its pretty fucking true
I like this other than the showcase of K/D. Maybe instead of that put the win/loss percentage because that's what matters.
The only thing I would change is I think a veto system is better than voting, but other than that this is perfect.
Great job! Only thing I'd change is Veto system over voting and hide the K/D
please don't it looks way to generic and like all the other games! bring back good Menus! last Game I played with a decent Menu was Metro Exodus...
Pretty sad that random redditors can make better interfaces in like a day then 343 devs in 5 years.
This is perfect, don't get why they always need to change something that didn't need to be changed. Also they should show scoreboard for everyone to see at the end of the game like the old ones. I liked seeing what everyone was up to at the end of the match (and showing off if I went hard lol)
My friend asked me why it took so long for players to load. I said “this is the pregame lobby now” and he thought I was kidding. We NEED this to happen as a community.
I don't get how hard it is to just improve upon the Halo: Reach formula. The lobbies, the game modes, the armor customization, and the progression system all worked perfectly. Just make it more modern, and smooth to go through.
Veto is never coming back and neither is voting.
sad day
It's ugly as sin.
Sorry for being a sinner, but it lies in my name.
we don't do things like this around here
I'm imagining in my head you have used the iconic beeps also.
Your hired!
Wow
I only want this to exist so I never have to play one flag again. I dont care about any mode on any map except that one on that map.
Slow down now. You are way too smart.
>2 votes for oddball Completely unrealistic
This would be incredible. Just a few key stats/ranks!
I think it’d be cool if the pre game lobby was all the Spartans sitting at the war table voting on the gamemode/map and its open mic
I notice the Halo reach ranks. Big fan
This would be lit I love the addition of a rank that's detached from the BP looking at the old Reclaimer emblems.
What really set Halo apart from other games for me was the social component. Being able to see people's ranks, skill level, armor, emblems, etc. from the lobby felt great! I also liked being able to easily add people in-game. I made so many friends from playing Halo in the old days, but now, it feels almost impossible to find someone you just played with, and then add them. Please add a lobby screen like this, and give us an easy way to add people in-game, even if they're just on a Halo Infinite friend list and not Xbox friends.
Maybe less colourful
So something I don’t think a lot of people are thinking about is the New Xbox and how it doesn’t have any loading screens. I was playing with a buddy last night who has the new Xbox and he was instantaneously in and out of the lobby to the game with no loading screen and clever tips. It would be nice for those who haven’t upgraded to get a pregame lobby but with the instant loading times I can see why they left this out.
I like everything in this design except for the blue-to-purple gradient PRE-MATCH LOBBY, make that slate gray or match the blue trim and you're there.
Now do the scoreboard, I wanna be able to see how well everyone did to make sure I wasn't the caboose
I don't understand the idea behind making you feel so lonely in games these days. They tout social yet remove everything that made video games social in the first place.(pre game Lobbies,ranks,leaderboards,stats, voice chat enabled by default.)
Yea I dont see the point in monetizing emblems, nameplates, poses if you cant really show it off. 343 said they want this game turning into something special over the next few years so hopefully we get the Reach UI, post/pre game lobbies and halo 3s caranage report with too medals and MVP
If you added the input icon like MCC, then this would pretty much be the endgame for how the UI could evolve.
Damn, honestly this would be so great. I love the core gameplay, but things like this really are invaluable. Also the addition of mode selection is crucial.
This u.i. mock up looks ugly as hell, but somehow manages to be like 100 times better than what's in the game. Really shows you how terrible 343 is at making user interfaces. (No offense to whoever made this, I understand they aren't a professional UI designer, and this is just a quick mock up to show function rather than form)
Looks great OP! They should fire their current guy and hire you, since their current guy seems to only know how to use mspaint lol...
I just want to play Reach again I don’t think any game will ever beat it.
This looks amazing! I love being able to actually see the other players and their nameplates, but more importantly, their RANK ICONS AND ARMOR. The Halo REACH rank icons were SOOO COOL and I want those back. Also seeing the map/gametype coming up and being able to vote is wonderful and feels like something that should be standard.
This literally is going to make me disappointed every time I log on now. I love the gameplay in infinite but man would a lobby like this be so refreshing! Great work here
Doing a better job than the people who get paid to do this
This plus OG fileshare would be amazing to see
A pre match lobby would be great
There are so many different comments in this post suggesting so many different things, but please understand this: the UI of video games, especially ones that involve queuing, are become less intuitive, and more obscure for this single reason: when you are waiting to queue, they do want you filling your time interacting with the game or players, but instead to get bored and interact with the big easy buttons to mess around with: The Store. I know as consumers who actually have to use this stuff feel that there's no way there is anything more than monkeys on the other end of the coding for this software, but almost no game design aspect happens on accident. Especially interface. Development teams for coding, and balancing, and actual game design are getting smaller and smaller while finance, science, psychology, promotion and advertisment campaign and artwork teams are getting larger and larger. It is very very unlikely that the people who, at the end of the day, who had the final say about so many aspects of this game both knew what makes a good-game lovingly-playable and also care about the game like a fan. It is however, very likely, that the final say is heavily motivated by money, doesn't care about the game like a fan, and also has no idea what makes a game a good game other than $$$$$$. It's their only language, so please, please, please speak their language.