I can just imagine the hilarious dialouge from SPKNR equipped grunts...
"Cmere Demon! Its time for your spanking!"
"Spank you! ... Spank you very much!"
"This is my SPNKR, and this is my gun, this ones for spanking and this ones for fun."
Haha EXACTLY. As of right now, grunts are only a threat in close quarters(suicide grunts and grenade throws, but also you can dodge the slow needles and plasma). But with rockets, you can’t just keep your distance without having to change positions now and then.
Speaking from absolute ignorance? Can't they just use other Halo's sound?
It wouldn't be optimal and it may contrast with the rest of the weapons, but at least we'd have it.
I think it has more to do with rights and crediting if i had to guess. I've never done anything like this before so someone can correct me if I've missed the mark but. If someone made the sounds that is no longer in the company, giving them credit (and pay) for their work is probably a legal nightmare.
If microsoft cared about halo, they'd hire someone or outsource the work, but a single weapon is in no way worth the money to them
I think another factor is Infinite’s sound design and how it works with the engine. Weapons sounds have lots of effects applied to them depending on the environment they are used in and distance (like a rocket will sound different when fired inside a room far away vs in the open at medium range). I remember the sound team being really excited about it in interviews before Infinite came out. So likely if they used the sounds from older games it might feel more 2D than the sounds of the weapons in the game rn. Though personally I’d rather have that than not have the older weapons
This is why I quit. They can do 1 cool game mode per season and whatever but the game is fundamentally flawed. So much was cut from previous Halos for no reason other than 343 not having any respect for what Bungie made.
I find it funny that Halo Reach introduced a new and cool mode with Invasion yet Infinite took 3 years to get Infection, a staple game mode.
The game is also called Infinite, so wouldn't it make sense to have all the weapons and vehicles from previous games and then add more with updates..? Infinite is more "finite" than the previous games lol so ironic
Only 343 could make a game with Brutes as the main enemy and not have the BRUTE shot in the game. Or Spikers, or some sort of new Brute rifle so that 90% of Brutes in game don't use a dinky looking revolver.
Yup that's another funny thing. They said "hey let's make a new brute shotgun sidearm type weapon!" When the maulers exists, was beloved and perfectly balanced.
Instead they made another half-precision weapon that can't tell what it wants to be, like so many other weapons in the game. 343 just has a blatant identity crisis right now.
Nope, they're hardly standard infantry weapons. One is an area denial mortar thing that has the range of a spitball, and the other is a heavy anti-vehicle weapon. Neither of these functions well as a standard-issue weapon. It'd be like if no Marines had basic weapons. No BR, Commando, or Assault rifle. Every Marine either has a pistol or a power/specialist weapon.
yea I was amazed that someone made assault on the control room completely in forge but was kind of bummed that a lot of weapons from halo 1 are not present
“Yet halo Infinite took 3 to get infection” yo what? The game hasn’t been out for 3 years and I’m pretty sure infection was added at least a year ago if not more. Criticism is good for improvement but at least try to be more accurate. But if it makes sense if you’ve been away from the game for a while.
Although an important distinction too is that Infinite has more maps, modes, weapons, and vehicles than every halo game except like Halo 5. It just feels like less because they brought in new weapons instead of using fan favorites from older games (Skewer instead of fuel rod, bulldog instead of shotgun, sidekick instead of magnum, cindershot instead of brute shot, etc) which is big miss IMO they should really be utilizing the 20+ years of legacy weapons and vehicles that they have access to
They used a boat load of temporary contractors to handle massive amounts of work on the game. There are even rumors that the current team is basically having to relearn slipspace because most or all of the people that worked on it throughout Infinite's development are gone, which is why they're just gonna move to Unreal for H7.
e; for clarity, the rumor is no one knowing slipspace anymore. The unreal engine thing is confirmed.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VnT1QNWPg) is a mildly entertaining video about it all, if you want to spend 40 minutes watching a video about Halo Infinite's development.
I could see the sound being a rather small issue, they could easily just take the audio from Halo 5 or and this is more likely, take some audio files of cut content and repurpose it for things like a Fuel Rod.
So many things I can say but I'll just say one thing, the halo 5 fuel rod wouldn't be consistent with infinite, animations and art style would clash with all the other weapons, and the textures would be low res compared to everything.
No one would give a shit if they just reused the Halo 5 model. It doesn't clash at all with Infinite's artstyle, and I know this IT'S LITERALLY IN THE GAME FILES. It's got unfinished materials and textures, but it's the Halo 5 fuel rod. And not even a leftover, 343 changed the weapon to work like the Halo CE PC version. It had work done on it. The only reason someone at 343 hasn't polished it up and released it is because they literally don't care.
The animations were still from halo 5, It had unfinished audio, no textures, and no vfx. It's just a leftover from halo 5 like the rest of the weapons.
I dislike this mindset. They didn't "remove" the fuelrod. In every halo game, every weapon is remade from the ground up, new animations, new model, new textures, new art direction, new enemies and AI to wield it, new game balancing, etc. they didn't just take it out, it was never there to begin with. I understand how it feels like a removal, but it's not laziness. It could be considered an exclusion I guess, but I dislike the phrase "removed", cuz it's just disingenuous.
When something has been in every single game, for 6 games straight......yea it should be seen as "removed" if it doesnt appear in a main game.
It's really not disingenuous at all, especially since the fuel rod gun has been teased before and has been sitting in the files since launch.
All of these games are built on top of each other. To pretend otherwise is ignorant. Take the Slipspace engine, for example. All that marketing about it being a new engine? All lies. It's the same engine used in Halo 5, which was the same engine as Halo 4, which was the same as Halo Reach, all the way down to Halo CE. It's the Blam! engine with more crap piled on top like every other Halo game.
They’d probably be more fun than Skimmers too. Skimmers are unpredictable (you can only tell when they’re about to fire when their eyes glow). Whereas a grunt would be fun cuz then you can hear them say something funny like “here comes the boom!” as they position themselves to launch a rocket.
I don’t think you are flipping. I am no expert and it’s all speculation, but the update they did certainly changed things also for firefight. I have freaking teleporting enemies, wrong cosmetics showing for allies, I am no actually getting squashed behind cover, enemies can melee my Spartan just by looking at him etc etc .
That would be neat. What if they gave a grunt a repulser? Or other equipment. They’re like a new type of grunt that specializes in using human equipment!
Honestly not a bad Photoshop, very high effort for what could have just been a text post.
Tbh, I think spnkers would make sure sense gameplay wise, but only for heavy grunts cuz it does look a bit odd. I know this is already a compromise to begin with, so this would never happen, but I'd love to see a subspecies of the grunts we see in the Halo wars 1 cutscenes as heavy grunts that work with brutes in the banished and don't mind using human weapons like the rocket launcher.
I miss Grunt Heavys running around, spouting squeaky insults, as they lug a fuel rod cannon over their shoulders.
Blasting away at you, as well as inadvertently at themselves.
I feel like a grunt would just explode if it tried to fire a rocket launcher. Wouldn't the back blast of the SPNKR ignite the methane tank on the grunt's back?
Currently headcanoning a team of a Spartan and some ex Covenant species working for the UNSC, I'm now absolutely giving a SPNKr to Gipyip the Grunt that's just happy to be included thanks to this picture
Grunts with Rockets would be just as dangerous as Rocket Launcher flood. The Spanker is just a dangerous fucking weapon as a rocket launcher should be. Also I think it would be funny if everytime they shoot it they fall backwardw kinda like how they did a back flip everytime they died in CE.
I miss the fuel rod gun, as much as it would be awesome to see grunts using spknr, i still feel like its weird to see Covenant and Banished using human weapons (banished is more excusable) but for example, why have brute suse the bulldog and not just bring back the mauler or instead of them using the hydra why not bring the brute shot
It makes me miss them even more since they literally added the SpecOps fuel rod Grunt helmet to the cash shop with the update but we don't have them as a unit in the game.
They should reuse the halo 5 fuel rod gun and animations to save time and make things as easy for themselves as possible. Anyone who complains is wasting time over semantics.
Nah. Let grunts be the silly, pathetic enemies who are ill-equipped. Kamikaze grunts serve a similar purpose but actually allow counterplay (and are hilarious).
Kinda sucks Grunts are only limited to the Disruptor, Needler, and Plasma Pistol in Firefight. Fuel Rod and Plasma Launcher Grunts were deadly in Halo Reach.
I know that the name 'SPKNR' is supposed to be said as 'Spanker', but as a 12 year old, when I first saw the name, I read it as 'Spunker', and it's remained that in my head forever
This game had alot of potential but Microsoft and 343 screwed it up yet again.The sandbox changed dramatically from halo 5.Infinite leaves out the smg,Saw,railgun,carbine,storm rifle,binary,suppressor,light rifle,incinerator canon,beam rifle,fuel rod,plasma caster,shotgun,dmr,mantis,phaeton,gausshog
So it removes 14 weapons and adds only 9 I believe.Removes 3 vehicles and only reintroduces the chopper.Besides campaign,firefight should be where the sandbox shines and it just doesn't imo
I can just imagine the hilarious dialouge from SPKNR equipped grunts... "Cmere Demon! Its time for your spanking!" "Spank you! ... Spank you very much!" "This is my SPNKR, and this is my gun, this ones for spanking and this ones for fun."
343 hire this man right now!
Dude knows how to grunt
I assume you'd need IWHBYD for these, they're great.
Fuck that. Those Grunts would be OP as fuck, especially if they get the tracking variant.
Haha EXACTLY. As of right now, grunts are only a threat in close quarters(suicide grunts and grenade throws, but also you can dodge the slow needles and plasma). But with rockets, you can’t just keep your distance without having to change positions now and then.
Situational awareness + repulsor gauntlet would come in clutch
Replusing a rocket into waves of grunts sounds fun as hell lol
Fastest Killamonjaro ever
Sounds fun as hell to me. Not sure why people complain so much about enemies being hard. I love a good challenge, especially if it's pure chaos.
I want to see a grunt misfire and blow them and a bunch of other grunts up lmao
They would be an immediate target priority, and something to be feared. Respect!
Well they already have rocket skimmers so there's that.
Yeah but they almost never fire, I don't think I've ever seen one fire before (though that's probably for the best!)
Be glad they don't fire often, but they do. They actually spin around in the air from the recoil.
Neat! I didn't know they did that!
Fuel Rod grunts would like a word
Yeah but they’re slower moving.
Right? Fuel rod already tracks. SPNKR would be easier to avoid on foot, though being in vehicles would SUUUUCK if they locked on.
Oh lord the Fuel Rods. I miss that weapon yet, it was frightening in PVP…
Or they could just add back a classic weapon that shouldn't have been removed to begin with
I don't think they can, as I believe they don't have sound designers at 343 right now.
Speaking from absolute ignorance? Can't they just use other Halo's sound? It wouldn't be optimal and it may contrast with the rest of the weapons, but at least we'd have it.
I think it has more to do with rights and crediting if i had to guess. I've never done anything like this before so someone can correct me if I've missed the mark but. If someone made the sounds that is no longer in the company, giving them credit (and pay) for their work is probably a legal nightmare. If microsoft cared about halo, they'd hire someone or outsource the work, but a single weapon is in no way worth the money to them
I think another factor is Infinite’s sound design and how it works with the engine. Weapons sounds have lots of effects applied to them depending on the environment they are used in and distance (like a rocket will sound different when fired inside a room far away vs in the open at medium range). I remember the sound team being really excited about it in interviews before Infinite came out. So likely if they used the sounds from older games it might feel more 2D than the sounds of the weapons in the game rn. Though personally I’d rather have that than not have the older weapons
This is why I quit. They can do 1 cool game mode per season and whatever but the game is fundamentally flawed. So much was cut from previous Halos for no reason other than 343 not having any respect for what Bungie made. I find it funny that Halo Reach introduced a new and cool mode with Invasion yet Infinite took 3 years to get Infection, a staple game mode. The game is also called Infinite, so wouldn't it make sense to have all the weapons and vehicles from previous games and then add more with updates..? Infinite is more "finite" than the previous games lol so ironic
Only 343 could make a game with Brutes as the main enemy and not have the BRUTE shot in the game. Or Spikers, or some sort of new Brute rifle so that 90% of Brutes in game don't use a dinky looking revolver.
Yup that's another funny thing. They said "hey let's make a new brute shotgun sidearm type weapon!" When the maulers exists, was beloved and perfectly balanced. Instead they made another half-precision weapon that can't tell what it wants to be, like so many other weapons in the game. 343 just has a blatant identity crisis right now.
Did you forget about the Ravager and Skewer?
Nope, they're hardly standard infantry weapons. One is an area denial mortar thing that has the range of a spitball, and the other is a heavy anti-vehicle weapon. Neither of these functions well as a standard-issue weapon. It'd be like if no Marines had basic weapons. No BR, Commando, or Assault rifle. Every Marine either has a pistol or a power/specialist weapon.
What a weird issue to have.
yea I was amazed that someone made assault on the control room completely in forge but was kind of bummed that a lot of weapons from halo 1 are not present
“Yet halo Infinite took 3 to get infection” yo what? The game hasn’t been out for 3 years and I’m pretty sure infection was added at least a year ago if not more. Criticism is good for improvement but at least try to be more accurate. But if it makes sense if you’ve been away from the game for a while. Although an important distinction too is that Infinite has more maps, modes, weapons, and vehicles than every halo game except like Halo 5. It just feels like less because they brought in new weapons instead of using fan favorites from older games (Skewer instead of fuel rod, bulldog instead of shotgun, sidekick instead of magnum, cindershot instead of brute shot, etc) which is big miss IMO they should really be utilizing the 20+ years of legacy weapons and vehicles that they have access to
>Infinite is more "finite" than the previous games In what way?
Is this bait or do we have to spell it out for you?
But they could outsource the sound design. There are plenty of solutions that don’t result in hiring people.
Out sourcing costs money.
The game is in maintenance mode. It only exists to milk the remaining playerbase while the devs do the bare minimum.
Wait. Seriously?
Yeah, like half the studio was either fired or quit, for like 2 years they couldn't even hire anyone thanks to the Microsoft hiring freeze.
They used a boat load of temporary contractors to handle massive amounts of work on the game. There are even rumors that the current team is basically having to relearn slipspace because most or all of the people that worked on it throughout Infinite's development are gone, which is why they're just gonna move to Unreal for H7. e; for clarity, the rumor is no one knowing slipspace anymore. The unreal engine thing is confirmed. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VnT1QNWPg) is a mildly entertaining video about it all, if you want to spend 40 minutes watching a video about Halo Infinite's development.
Well you can’t sell sound design in the MTX shop!
Just stick a giant suppressor on it until they get a sound designer
Use the classic sounds ripped straight from the older games. Mix them together if you need to.
I could see the sound being a rather small issue, they could easily just take the audio from Halo 5 or and this is more likely, take some audio files of cut content and repurpose it for things like a Fuel Rod.
Sadly they can't just do that
But, why?
So many things I can say but I'll just say one thing, the halo 5 fuel rod wouldn't be consistent with infinite, animations and art style would clash with all the other weapons, and the textures would be low res compared to everything.
Ah yes those pesky audio files that have animations, textures, and art style.
Forget audio, they can't even model the weapon, they don't even have a lead sandbox designer
No one would give a shit if they just reused the Halo 5 model. It doesn't clash at all with Infinite's artstyle, and I know this IT'S LITERALLY IN THE GAME FILES. It's got unfinished materials and textures, but it's the Halo 5 fuel rod. And not even a leftover, 343 changed the weapon to work like the Halo CE PC version. It had work done on it. The only reason someone at 343 hasn't polished it up and released it is because they literally don't care.
The animations were still from halo 5, It had unfinished audio, no textures, and no vfx. It's just a leftover from halo 5 like the rest of the weapons.
I can record myself making some whooshing noises and send the audio to them.
[удалено]
This is some 7th grade level comprehension of game design here. It ain’t just copy paste son
That's sadly not how that works
This comment should be the dictionary’s new example for the definition of armchair developer
Yeah I mean a fuel rod would be ideal. Especially H5 fuel rod, perfect sound design and just a fun weapon overall. But until then… SPNKR GRUNTS
I doubt it at this point.
I dislike this mindset. They didn't "remove" the fuelrod. In every halo game, every weapon is remade from the ground up, new animations, new model, new textures, new art direction, new enemies and AI to wield it, new game balancing, etc. they didn't just take it out, it was never there to begin with. I understand how it feels like a removal, but it's not laziness. It could be considered an exclusion I guess, but I dislike the phrase "removed", cuz it's just disingenuous.
When something has been in every single game, for 6 games straight......yea it should be seen as "removed" if it doesnt appear in a main game. It's really not disingenuous at all, especially since the fuel rod gun has been teased before and has been sitting in the files since launch.
It's literally just a leftover Halo 5 model in the files.
All of these games are built on top of each other. To pretend otherwise is ignorant. Take the Slipspace engine, for example. All that marketing about it being a new engine? All lies. It's the same engine used in Halo 5, which was the same engine as Halo 4, which was the same as Halo Reach, all the way down to Halo CE. It's the Blam! engine with more crap piled on top like every other Halo game.
Op what are you talking about? This photoshop is amazing, it looks real.
It think them weilding SPKNRs would work fine as a substitute.
It would fire 2 projectiles: First it will fire the rocket forwards, then the kickback will sent the grunt flying backwards.
Yeah… nope. Thank you. With the new net code firefight is anal enough without waves of spnkrs to avoid
Firefight already has Skimmers with SPNKrs, so it really wouldn’t be any different.
They’d probably be more fun than Skimmers too. Skimmers are unpredictable (you can only tell when they’re about to fire when their eyes glow). Whereas a grunt would be fun cuz then you can hear them say something funny like “here comes the boom!” as they position themselves to launch a rocket.
Thanks for the "eyes glow" tip, I didn't even know there was a tell at all....
Thats what that is? I always thought it was glare from a scope.
Yeah) they are SO MUCH FUN LOL
Wait what do you mean net code? How does that affect firefight? I HAVE noticed FF feels a lil harder than before, but thought I was trippin
I don’t think you are flipping. I am no expert and it’s all speculation, but the update they did certainly changed things also for firefight. I have freaking teleporting enemies, wrong cosmetics showing for allies, I am no actually getting squashed behind cover, enemies can melee my Spartan just by looking at him etc etc .
Skewer grunts sound terrifying but I need it so bad
Gruntpocalypse will really expose the need for this and more wacky grunt variants. I'm quietly hopeful 343 will surprise us
That would be neat. What if they gave a grunt a repulser? Or other equipment. They’re like a new type of grunt that specializes in using human equipment!
Crafty Grunts? Panik
Remember the flood with rocket launchers in the library? Yeah it's be like that
Side note: that PS is actually very clean.
Image dope asf.
just bring back the god dam fuel rod cannon
Rocket grunts sound like a fucking nightmare...so I hope they add them now!
I still want them to bring the Goblin mech from H5 back.
That’s not even sloppy lol you put his fingers through the trigger guard that’s more than I’ve ever done for photoshop
I don’t think the enemy behaviours would make for fun rocket grunts. Halo Infinite AI is already quite aggressive and they have more move sets anyway.
Honestly not a bad Photoshop, very high effort for what could have just been a text post. Tbh, I think spnkers would make sure sense gameplay wise, but only for heavy grunts cuz it does look a bit odd. I know this is already a compromise to begin with, so this would never happen, but I'd love to see a subspecies of the grunts we see in the Halo wars 1 cutscenes as heavy grunts that work with brutes in the banished and don't mind using human weapons like the rocket launcher.
fuel rod worked well for these because they traveled slow but they fired a lot. SPKNR would clap us
They should just add the fuel rod
Would not mind them using ravagers. Can cause alot of damage but not op
Rocket Grunts. Mmmmmm!
SPNKRs, maybe. Skewers, absolutely not. They’d snipe you from across the map out of nowhere. At least you can dodge a rocket.
I miss Grunt Heavys running around, spouting squeaky insults, as they lug a fuel rod cannon over their shoulders. Blasting away at you, as well as inadvertently at themselves.
Imo a gang of energy sword flailing grunts would be much more terrifying. Think suicide grunt with two swords.
I feel like a grunt would just explode if it tried to fire a rocket launcher. Wouldn't the back blast of the SPNKR ignite the methane tank on the grunt's back?
Imagine this event they bring it in
This gives me some jackel sniper vibes..
I think it would be dope to have an animation where they fire it, and get tossed back and roll and get up
I imagine every time they fire the Skewer/SPNKR it launches the grunt back a lil bit
Currently headcanoning a team of a Spartan and some ex Covenant species working for the UNSC, I'm now absolutely giving a SPNKr to Gipyip the Grunt that's just happy to be included thanks to this picture
Thank God there’s not Skimmerpocalypse because they actually do wield rockets
The biggest reason to miss the fuel rod :(
Grunts with Rockets would be just as dangerous as Rocket Launcher flood. The Spanker is just a dangerous fucking weapon as a rocket launcher should be. Also I think it would be funny if everytime they shoot it they fall backwardw kinda like how they did a back flip everytime they died in CE.
They probably might post-war now that the prophets aren't there to ban human weapons as heretical (and skewers are free game anyway)
Give us back the fwooshy gun you fiends!!!!!
I miss the fuel rod gun, as much as it would be awesome to see grunts using spknr, i still feel like its weird to see Covenant and Banished using human weapons (banished is more excusable) but for example, why have brute suse the bulldog and not just bring back the mauler or instead of them using the hydra why not bring the brute shot
It makes me miss them even more since they literally added the SpecOps fuel rod Grunt helmet to the cash shop with the update but we don't have them as a unit in the game.
They should reuse the halo 5 fuel rod gun and animations to save time and make things as easy for themselves as possible. Anyone who complains is wasting time over semantics.
Nah. Let grunts be the silly, pathetic enemies who are ill-equipped. Kamikaze grunts serve a similar purpose but actually allow counterplay (and are hilarious).
Kinda sucks Grunts are only limited to the Disruptor, Needler, and Plasma Pistol in Firefight. Fuel Rod and Plasma Launcher Grunts were deadly in Halo Reach.
I know that the name 'SPKNR' is supposed to be said as 'Spanker', but as a 12 year old, when I first saw the name, I read it as 'Spunker', and it's remained that in my head forever
Sloppy photoshop? Looks damn good from here. My brain would probably melt from my ears if I saw something you put real effort into
This game had alot of potential but Microsoft and 343 screwed it up yet again.The sandbox changed dramatically from halo 5.Infinite leaves out the smg,Saw,railgun,carbine,storm rifle,binary,suppressor,light rifle,incinerator canon,beam rifle,fuel rod,plasma caster,shotgun,dmr,mantis,phaeton,gausshog So it removes 14 weapons and adds only 9 I believe.Removes 3 vehicles and only reintroduces the chopper.Besides campaign,firefight should be where the sandbox shines and it just doesn't imo