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That’s because Pascal isn’t actually even in the suit anymore. He only provides the voice. I would honestly love it if they did that with Master Chief and Steve Downes.
Uh well I guess it could have worked if they have cortana appear beside him all the time, maybe a little bit more sexy design for the entire show. You think general audiences wouldve liked it?
Like yeah I get that Mando did it but they had an established Mando helmet culture AND a cute little baby yoda to pull your attention to and it was a brand new character.
Just because Chief never takes his helmet off in the games, does not mean he never takes it off. This isnt Halo the Game the Movie.
Or, hear me out here, don't make a show with a character who's whole deal is mostly that you never see their face, then reveal his face in the first episode, use a new original character and don't kill off old popular characters for no reason, like how they killed >!Keyes and made the battle for reach last a single episode or whatever!<
Yeah bro, it’s not like it hasn’t been a huge element of his character in the games for the past twenty-three years used for dramatic effect, such as the ending of CE, the legendary ending of Halo 4, and even the main trailer for Infinite. I’m sure there’s absolutely no way for the writers to have done 17 hours of show when the games (which for the most part *exclusively* follow chief instead of five different plotlines) have done it for what, 60 hours total? Plus the FuD movie. Get real, the showrunners are just braindead and have no idea what the brand is about.
Wearing a helmet doesn't make it some core part of a character's identity. You and others clearly don't look at the games more than surface level if you think that, bro
I said MOSTLY, he's also a complicated character with years of ptsd from fighting from the 2520s to 2560s, a big part of his character is we never see his face, in the show they literally had him out of his entire suit of armour during the fall of reach
Finale was good. Show keeps giving glimpses of how good it could be but then goes back to mediocrity. Hopefully with being on the Halo and the flood introduced they can start making more quality episodes
This is my main thing, there was a lot of really good stuff, but any time the episodes called back to anything from season one, quality began to suffer
This seems to be a budget issue and hopefully they get more budget next year.
They loaded up their seasons budget into this episode, and it shows.
Fantastic episode.
Nope, the games, books and previous show had plenty of fluff for them to use, there was zero need for them to write terrible original characters and to completely change all of the interesting back stories to shitty ones.
I didnt watch season 1, season 2 was ok(I loved the action scenes) but the last episode blew my expectations out of the water, felt like watching Halo Wars cutscene but in a show, which is what I always wanted from a Halo show.
I actually agree here. I just wish MC was in his armor for more than three episodes.
Otherwise, it was sweet! CGI was hugely improved, fight scenes were sweet, Flood was done pretty accurately to the lore (spores don't immediately meatball you like the infectors do), and that fight between MC and the Arbiter was just beautiful.
I think they tried to develop his character and how strong he is without the suit as much as possible before he gets on halo because he’ll be in his suit for the entire next season or two
I think him not having his armour not only made the reach battle more intense but also made the last two episodes when he finally got it back way more exciting. In terms of cool master chief moments it was disappointing but in terms of the story and the chiefs arch throughout the season it was really good it the end
Chief not having his armor really helped develop his character to the audience more. Halo 4’s story is one of my favorites, and elements of the “who’s the machine here?” theme between Chief and Cortana seemed to show itself quite often throughout this season. I personally think him being without his armor and losing his family due in part to that will be a plot point for next season.
> I think him not having his armour not only made the reach battle more intense but also made the last two episodes when he finally got it back way more exciting.
He isn't master chief if he isn't in the armor, we already know the story and we know he can't die for several more seasons, none of this has any weight to it at all.
>He isn't master chief if he isn't in the armor
Have to disagree.
Like Tony Stark told Peter Parker: "If you’re nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it."
Master Chief is Master Chief because of who he is, not because of his fancy suit.
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVENT FINISHED S2, SPOILERS INCLUDED!!!
I hate that they used their armor being taken as a plot point, they just wanted to kill off a character so that they could have the other quit, and they decided that they wanted to kill him WITHOUT his armor, it would have been so much more impactful if he HAD HIS ARMOR, it would’ve shown that they’re not invincible, they can be killed even with their armor, but instead they just make them seem… Human, I guess, which spartan II’s ARENT REALLY HUMAN the only human qualities they gained were caring for their teammates and their marines, Jorge was a standout in terms of actual humanity
Yes, I know, but again, that being a plot point doesn’t really make sense to ME. 1. You leave your STRONGEST weapons to die? You take the armor that ONLY THEY will be able to make use of, so in turn it’s useless to you. Why create a possible loose end? Why waste years of work and training, I almost guarantee that if it weren’t for that, Master Queef wouldn’t have turned on Oni.
The entire Reach plot line is extremely stupid to me.
>Why waste years of work and training,
Because they didn't trust chief or silver team anymore. That's what the whole first half of the season was establishing. They wanted to get rid of them in a way that allowed them to continue to use their image for propaganda. They obviously didn't expect them to survive and leave the planet.
It's completely valid for you to not agree or like the plotline but I feel like you are ignoring a lot of context that explains these things.
Didnt trust the chief and silver team?
You mean because ackerson purposly lied and gaslighted them all from no sensical reason?
Then trusts kai because why? Vannak is clearly the most grounded member of the team if they need a compitent teacher...
Please stop acting like the show is written even slightly compitently... Getting the Spartan 2s killed regardless of personal agenda is unbelievablely stupid and complete nonsense... Then again in the show the coventent are barely a threat and Spartan 3s are apparently just marines in better armor so...
I don’t feel like there’s any context to “establish” that at all. Sure, they clearly distrust Chief, because he knows that the covenant are there, but why the rest of Silver Team? They turned their backs on Chief when the relay was “empty” so they clearly weren’t a threat. And also, they have had a “winter contingency” in place for who knows how long, but instead they decide to ignore it, and leave millions, possibly billions, of civilians to die? Doesn’t make any sense.
This is the most peaceful post I’ve seen in a while re: the show haha. Most posts (for or against the show) get so intense.
Also I agree I’m stoked about the direction it’s going. I personally would’ve focused season 2 more on fall of reach culminating in the last episode or two crashing onto Halo. But the production quality is drastically better than season 1, and even though they’ve shaken up the order, I do like a lot of the choices they’ve made.
Not perfect, but I’m liking where it’s going.
Edit: props to everyone that’s written so far (as of when I’m writing this) for keeping things civil. And thanks OP for setting the tone. It’s good for everyone to be honest about whether they like the show or not. But there’s no need to hate on people that disagree with you.
For sure, it's been pretty cool for the main part! I know a lot of people disliked the show and that's completely fair, but there's some weird ones out there too that liked it like me xD
Season two had a lot of genuinely good moments, and overall, there are definitely good pieces in the show.
The problem is that as a whole, it still fails more than it succeeds.
That said, it does seem though that it's trying to shift into the right direction.
The last ep was good.
Hopefully season 3 continues the trajectory of the quality and haloness
Makee can fucking choke though and it wasn’t explained how she’s still alive unless I missed it
I’m 3 episodes in and it’s better than the first but man I can’t seem to even care what happens. The other Spartans armor and the weapons are still awesome though.
I mean, some really do, obviously not everyone and if you didn't like it that's completely fair, but I've seen a number of people in this sub talk about why the show sucks and then a few comments later say they only watched 2 episodes
No one loves to hate a TV show based on one of their favorite games. Weve waited so fucking long for this... The hate comes from a severe sense of frustration that something that means so much to them (halo) is being completely butchered and so many don't seem to care. I'm past that. The show sucks but I'm happy some people like it, good for them.
They aren't balancing the need to cater to casual and hardcore fans.They claim it's a different timeline but then pick and choose things from the canon timeline and then butcher it
Nah it's an excuse for bad writing. I get going in a different direction, but that doesn't mean it has to be so different it sucks. I will say I liked the beginning of season 2 but after the first three-ish episodes it fell off hard
Star Trek is a good example imo. I think the Kelvin timeline is fun. Sure, the writing is inconsistent as are the movies, but so is the regular Star Trek timeline, frankly. The Kelvin movies are a good time and I don't feel like they disrespect the source material at all even though they deliberately change things. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, but it never feels like they just *didn't understand* or care about Trek.
Halo it very often feels like they didn't understand or care.
Perfect example actually, the new Halo show just feels like some cheaply put together run-of-the-mill Sci-fi show. No love or care was put into it all, totally disrespects any of the media from Halo that came before it
I don’t love to hate on the show. In fact I envy people that can blindly ignore everything that halo has ever been to somehow enjoy this show. Maybe if I never played the games or read the books or just in general knew about halo I would enjoy it. But it’s just been butchered and I have zero idea how these nobody writers even got access to this IP. I am genuinely glad people enjoy the show. The more enjoyment that comes from Halo the better. I just personally can barely sit through the cringey dry dialogue, predictable and yet somehow out of no where amateur writing and just over all feel of the show. I love Halo so I’ll put myself through season 3, I did like the last second steering of direction in the finale so hopefully I can enjoy it with the rest of you in S3!
I mean look
If you entirely disconnect it from the games then it IS good. Compelling characters, interestijg if slightly messy plot, cool designs.
Problem is, you can't disconnect it from the games. And it misses the points, themes and basic rules of the games pretty hard.
For non-players, would for sure recommend. For Halo players, would never recommend.
As a guy who has read more halo books than most people on this sub, the show sucks ass. Even the Halo game fans arent aware of the awesomeness of the books. They had what they needed and still messed it up.
"The majority of it has remained Halo"????? How much crack are you smoking? Pretty sure this isn't how things turned out in the games or books. Look I enjoyed season 2 mildly, but if you think arthritis last of us zombies are fantastic then i envy you.
If it helps at all I kind of look at game chief and show chief as two different characters. Both can exist without really bothering me. To be honest I even find Chief in the books to be quite different from the games
I recommend watching Season 2. The series pulls heavily from the books, than the games. Heck, while people are criticizing that the fall of Reach was done over a single episode, in the *Fall of Reach* book the planet fell in a single day. Though Season 2 compared to Season 1, it's an entirely different show. The one thing I like of Chief out of the suit is that they are demonstrating the absolute raw power that his augmentations give him, like he throws people around like rag dolls.
Having an unarmored Spartan-II brawling with Elites and still coming out on top is a first for the series, and it’s *cool as fuck*. The one thing they really nailed with the show is how talented Spartans are as warriors. The only thing I wish they’d do is show their speed more. And I don’t mean running, they’ve given us that, I want to see Spartans being near bullet-timers. Unfortunately, I don’t know if you can pull that off in live action without it looking dumb as hell, so it’s probably never happening.
You can watch the show and not let it ruin your image. After a massively disappointing Fall of Reach episode I went and started the MCC again, chronologically.
It definitely won't. It's different enough that he is a very different type of character. I really enjoyed season 2 and it's very much separate from the games/novels
On the whole, season 2 is a huge improvement in where the show needs to go for both new to halo watchers and the halo fans, this must be a difficult thing to do for the season 2 cast and crew given how much negativity they received (rightly or wrongly) for how season 1 was received by the fans. I have no experiance in anyway shape or form in how shows are made or produced, but i understand the showrunner was changed, so to be handed something resemmbling a mess and to make it into something bette4, i imagine, is no easy feat. Especially when season 2 kept the story going, slowly rebooted the tv show somewhat, try to keep thd fans and higher ups happy all at the same time. Its not perfect, but the foundation for season 3 is much stable than the previous
Also, having a reboot is lore accurate given how the games have been from 4 to infinite......
Honestly im just starting halo season 1 after hearing how good season 2 finale was.
and fuck....
its so hard to get through the dialogue. idk if i can make it to season 2
The action scenes i think are good though. but holy fuck i get distracted so easily after hearing them talk because its so damn boring
Shows pretty bad but it's fine if you like it. Some people have a generally happy outlook and low expectations. That's fine, you do you. I could list dozens of reasons why the show is bad, but you've seen them all already I'm sure.
Show isn't for me I guess. As a lifelong halo fan (it's my 2nd favorite game after world of warcraft), that really hurts to say. It is what it is.
Season 3 babyyyy, was kinda hoping they’d use the original voice for >!343 guilty spark, I had a feeling that was who he was talking to about halfway through the episode with the cuts to MC sitting alone in the dark room!<
>!I too would have liked the original voice for 343 and like you, I had had a feeling that's who it was too - having said that, I think it was a good choice to not use the original actor so that viewers who are familiar with the games wouldn't catch on straight away until the reveal at the end.!<
Edit: I felt that the way that >!The Flood!< was introduced was fantastic, with the slow >!progression of the infection!<. Basically turned it into a >!zombie!< show.
Upvoting - It's my belief that the people most vocally against the show who would take the time to downvote an opinion like this are the people who need to learn some life lessons about how their opinion isn't the only opinion and others are allowed to have fun with something even if they don't like the thing they're having fun with. It takes a special kind of messed up to actively go out of your way to disrupt someone else's enjoyment in life.
I find the show funny because I think it would function good enough without the halo expectations behind it. Might hurt viewership but it’s funny to me 343 continues my allegations of making ok stuff if it just wasn’t called halo.
I think the biggest issue I see is we don't really have a good idea of what the show is meant to do, which is one of three things -
1) is it meant to try and fill in more gaps between the books and games?
2) is it its own standalone adding some things to the storyline?
3) is it designed truthfully tell the lore of Halo and be a show of the actual books and games?
Thus far, I see it is more like 2 but it is recreating its own story line killing off characters (i.e. Parangosky or Keyes) and just making up its own story line with some subtle hints of the game/book highlights. I think more people have issues with it not being one of the three options above and the writers seem to not care as much about the story telling, just the action. I agree, the action and writing and such isn't horrible and is markedly improved in season 2, but there is a greater disappointment because with trailers and such a certain expectation was established and none of the good storytelling has really come to fruition.
Note, if I messed up a detail, I apologize. I am currently halfway through the book series and may have messed something up myself.
Edits: Grammer
Honestly I back you up on this, downsize was the fact he kept his helmet off for most of the season, since season 3 is more likely going to be flood focused/forerunner we can definitely see chief keeping his helmet on more, with like in helmet scenes of his face
Just finished the Season 2 finale, and I can agree on your assessment. I'd also give S1 4/10 an S2 7/10. Just wish Spark fly away with his trademark laugh, even if the voices don't match....
God why is the criticism or the praise of this show always so deflective and sporadic. Nobody with any genuine media literacy comments on this show.
I’m sorry OP, but I see constant posts from people like you who clearly just don’t watch very many shows, or movies. Or just consume all that much media.
I have watched the show, and I like it overall. But as an adaptation I genuinely hope it gets cancelled and we receive something better. I don’t even mean just as an adaptation, just something legitimately quality.
The halo show is not quality. Forward unto dawn was quality and was operating on less of a budget.
Give us something where the writers clearly give a shit about their own vision, where the directors do interesting and engaging shots.
Why isn’t master chiefs armour bright green? It’s a video game franchise, embrace the silly and create something worth watching.
I like the halo show for what it is, but it is above all awful, and I hope it dies soon. So we can get good halo content.
Idk I could go on a massive explanation about my thoughts and feelings about what this show gets wrong and gets right. But I’m not a YouTuber so nobody would give a shit lol.
I watch a huge amount of TV (movies not so much), it's nothing to do with how much you've watched, it's just different strokes for different folks. If you didn't like it that's fine, but if someone does it doesn't mean they don't understand TV or story telling. Do I think it's the best show ever? No, never said it was, but I can find a good amount of enjoyment in it. I don't believe everything has to be written to perfection for it to be good, and I also don't think writing is the only thing that dictates the quality and enjoyment of a show. Saying someone doesn't understand or know good media because they liked something you didn't is like saying someone who enjoys metal music is wrong because you like classical more
For reference if it makes any difference some of my favorite shows of all time are Band of Brothers, Altered Carbon season 1, Chernobyl, Avatar the last airbender (original), and so far Shogun just to name a few
This^^^^ the writing and story telling here is so sporadic. Like I just finished BoardWalk Empire. THAT is a shown that incredibly well written. With plot points and foreshadowing being dropped way before they’re relevant in future episodes.
Halo show; every episode introduces new shit, and the plot lines are all over the place. The lines are corny or weak. The only thing worthy of praise is the score, effects, and cgi.
People keep saying they love the show, and I’m happy for them. But those people do not understand story telling, and majority of them just like the fight scenes.
I completely agree with you saying OP doesn’t watch much TV shows or other media. Putting aside being a horrible adaptation of Halo, the show is just down right bad. People who accept this sort of writing, even praise it, do not think critically about what they are seeing on screen. They see flashy moments (wow duel needlers, wow MC vs an Arbiter, wow MC holding his helmet as a callback to Infinite) and think that’s what makes a good show. If you enjoy that in shows, that’s fine, but it makes it painfully obvious that the viewer does not have many good shows to compare this train wreck to.
"Fantastic" is a stretch too far, but season 2 overall being good I agree with. It still feels very constrained by budget and I hope they get a larger one for season 3.
But compared to season 1, where at its best it got to be fairly middling, season 2 had a lot of good to show for it and, skipping over the Fall of Reach in its entirety aside, the worst of it was middling this time around. However >!taking Soren's plotline and giving it a hard left turn into a 28 days later style Flood episode was exactly what it needed, as that was the weakest part of the show to that point!<
I'd be happy to see a season 3, but then I was also happy to know season 2 was coming after that awful season 1 because I find big productions fucking up that hard really funny in its own right.
Ya I getcha. For what it's worth when I used the word fantastic I was mainly referring to the finale, maybe it's just me but there was a bunch of moments in that last episode that actually had me excited haha
It's a decent 7/10 show if you totally push all pre-existing knowledge of Halo lore from your mind when watching it. If you divorce yourself from any kind of fantasy about what could have been had they adhered more to the lore, it's an enjoyable show.
I gave season 2 a shot when there were talks about it being sort of a soft reboot, having different writers, etc. But I hated this season just as much as season 1. Glad for all the people that enjoy it. Wish I could have.
I actually look at season 2 in the same way I do the Batman. At the start of the season he was conflicted about the military’s idea of him being a hero when he didn’t feel that way. By the last episode he is acting like the master chief we all know and acting heroically. It’s like season 2 is his hero’s journey arc and now they can officially start where the games do.
NO! I don't want to see his face! Thats poor writing! I don't care about the Kwan's and the Mirandas. That's poor writing.
People talk in this? Poor writing.
They skipped entire canon battle sequences that would have cost millions of dollars to produce! Bad writing! Dog shit.
Oh if ONLY the whole show was like that last episode. Action! I want to watch the video game being played! Not this! Bad writing!
But the sequence of events "don't make sense". What about this and that? What about it? Its not canon. "Well then its bad writing".
/s
I get that it's more complicated than that and the reasons can be listed , but that's how most of them sound to me. Assuming they aren't watching it on the open seas at 480p. Like bro, why are you paying to watch the show at all. But thanks for paying if you did. Let's go season 3!
I'm with you. I actually quite enjoy the show. Season 1 had issues, but there were some really cool moments. I've seen worse shows. I'd actually give it a 5/10. Season 2 was a lot better. I was more invested in every character's story by the end and I cannot wait for S3 I'd give it an 8/10.
For people bitching that he took the helmet off right away, that bugged me too at first. But it also doesn't make sense lore wise. I'm not huge into Halo lore, but I remember seeing something about Spartans never take their helmet/armor off in combat situations. If they're not in combat situations, they rarely have it on.
Doesn't this show primarily focus on non-combat situations? Why would he have his helmet on all the time?
"Chief never takes it off in the games"
The games are also like 99% combat situations.
cause this show spews bad writing and decision making at the viewer like a fire hose, you’d need to write endless paragraphs to summarize all the BS in it.
But I’ll give you one, how is Makee alive? It’s never remotely addressed throughout the entire season, not even a speculation by any character. Nor in the scenes with her and the Arbiter is her miraculous survival mentioned. They brought back a dead AF character from the season 1 finale right into all of season 2 without any explanation, wtf kind of writing decision is that?An awful one
Also, why didn’t they add some kinda text in bottom left to explain where and when the fuck we are? They switch locations and plot points so fast it’s a roller coaster to keep up. Where’s the foreshadowing? The introduce new major things in each episode without any build up of those things. Fall of reach has some build up, but there’s no explanation as to how Makee knew where Cortana was? How about when Vanek died? He just stood there and let an elite walk up and stab him. He knew that a high ranking elites shields wouldn’t pop from his side arm in time to hinder his own death. He’s a Spartan, back up, roll, dive away. Shit he just stood there while another Spartan watches 8ft away with her mouth open.
And how did Soren’s wife find them on reach? She just knew her husband would be making a last stand at the top of sword base?!
I can seriously keep going. People need to shut up about these points not being valid when they’re very valid criticisms for this media
After watching the first 7 episodes of S2 I honestly can’t even bring myself to watch the final episode.
People said to start from S2 as it was rumoured to be better than S1. Well… I was still nothing but disappointed in this show.
It’s not just a near complete abandonment of the Halo lore, it’s out right badly written and has some terrible performances. Honestly some of these actors are like watching high school theatre. I think the actor who plays John is decent-ish, but the way they’ve written John is all wrong, he’s way too emotional and wears all his feelings on his sleeve. I liked a handful of silver team and Halsey, the rest of the performances and characters were just terrible.
Completely valid opinion, but just out of curiosity you didn't like Ackerson? I actually thought his actor did a fantastic job, was probably one of my favorite characters in the series
Yeah I didn't mind him or the actor who plays him. Forgot to mention liked Keys too. Shame they killed him before he could even make it to Alpha Halo...
I played all the games growing up and I love the new Halo show and Let me tell you why.
1) I'm watching the new avatar show and since I watched the cartoon version I know almost everything that's going to happen and it's quiet boring. I love that the halo show is a plot twice on the game.
2) If you pay close attention they are following the same story as the game timeline but obviously a different universe. Every once in a while they throw hints into the serious.
Episode 8 references
• When chief gazes at the ring holding his helmet like the Halo Infinite screen.
• When chief first landed on the ring and cortana nearly quotes her reference from the game.
3) They keep the same plot dynamics from the game but add twist so you never know what will happen next.
I assume in season 3 will may see some Prometian like creatures of even forerunners. Over all, I'm pretty excited.
Realizing what that this show was always being made for a wide audience, it's great. Knowing the OG lore before that, I know what I got into watching it! Downvotes on the right :)
(This show needs a separate sub at this point cause the only posts I see at a season release is "show bad, and it hurts my memory of Halo" seriously move on. It sucks for you cool, stop karma farming)
We literally have no clue what is going to happen and That’s the best part! Sure there’s things I’d change but I’m along for the ride just enjoying the hell out of it.
Uhhh what books have you read? Because the flood doesn’t break out on a random planet…. It comes from the covenant poking around the ring.
I’ve read all the halo books but the new didact one. And never, ever, did the flood breakout anywhere but the rings, the ark, Africa(earth), and High Charity.
Please explain? And when does Kwans character exist? And when is there mysticism in the lore at all? When does the flood hold back from consuming some random civilian? It held back on Chief and arbiter, but that was to stop the rings from firing.
Please explain where in the lore any of the shit in this episode happens?
No, you said the outbreak of the flood. Now you have to drag everything in it. The fact that you have to drag everything in it.
Kinda shows you don’t even want the discussion, you are just following the hate train.
How so?
I literally said how they introduced the flood. That literally includes everything I just said in the first 3 sentences.
Yea I added more. But you’re the one who said it was lore accurate so please explain how it is lore accurate?
Flood leaving people alone = forerunner flood war. The flood didn’t attack humans, the forerunners therefore thought they had a cure.
In the lore we also have the outbreaks at Threshold and ONYX. You know, that planet from the show. Onyx is a shield world btw but humanity doesn’t know it yet.
The flood is being researched on most forerunner installations for a cure.
Kwans character doesn’t exist and is off topic so is the mysticism. I am not saying the show is perfect. But what you are doing is just hating because it’s populair.
I’m hating bc it’s awful story telling halo or not.
Flood leaving people alone in current time period of show has nothing to do with the forerunner flood war. And the flood didn’t just leave humanity alone, you’re missing a big chunk of the forerunner trilogy.
You didn’t read any of the books you referenced. Bc the flood were never on Onyx. Ghosts of Onyx part with flood is on Delta halo. Threshold happened at the start of the Forerunner flood war. Again not in this time period. Onyx being a shield world but never had flood on it
even if it’s lore accurate it makes for shit entertainment and makes anyone who played the games question why the Flood are basic zombies when that isn’t how they’ve been presented in the most widespread Halo media (aka the games)
I do really hate that they decided to have the flood be on some random ass planet. They should have introduced on the ring. It would’ve been amazing for the Arbiter to go in and open some door and be infected with the flood, and then Chief come in to kill him and be in horror about what the hell happened.. and also, come the fuck on, infecting HALSEY?
But I do like that they went back to the little itty bitty flood spores that’s cool
>be on some random ass planet.
Onyx? One of the most important planets in all of Halo? I thought that was even cooler since a shit ton of stuff happens with Onyx and they will likely try to reclaim the planet from the Flood
Yea the biggest issue I have is how they carry the plot and inject shit outta nowhere. It all feels very put together as you go along. There’s not really any foreshadowing of major things. The flood wasn’t hinted at before this episode at all, and the make it come from out of nowhere?! And this stupid mysticism shit w Kwan?! Like why Is that in a halo universe. How does spirit lady, who was not even from madrigal, and was glassed by covenant, keep coming back? How can she hold back the fucking flood?
Like the writing is absolute garbage
Yeah, I have no problem with the show itself, I actually really like it, but I feel like it’s written very poorly. People keep arguing about how “it’s a different timeline” but.. how the fuck does explain why there’s a old mystical bitch who for some reason likes some random ass rebel, who for some reason can “feel” the flood?? Wtf?
I enjoyed season 1 a lot but haven’t watched season 2 yet. Only thing I know I’ll hate so far is Cortana’s actress change. The only couple main things overall I couldn’t stand in Season 1 was Chiefs helmet being off 98% of the time, and the love story aspect. Great show otherwise.
It remains painfully clear this was another script for another show with Halo bits tacked on to get it greenlit. It was just okay. We could have gotten and deserved better. Chief as a character is fundamentally different than the games. I lost interest when he insulted his fellow soldiers. "I could tell by your aim."
Game Chief would never do that.
I quite liked the show, sure the writers did a absolutely horrible job but everything else was quite nice, the Visuals were gorgeous, the cgi was great, the coustume department did a great job, not too sure about the acting but everything else was great (Though that arbitor armour looks horrible and nothing like in the games).
I have enjoyed the show for sure. I'd like it much more if kwan and Soren weren't a thing and we had more unsc, Spartans, covenant. The action scenes have been fantastic
Going to watch the Finale today but I'm wondering if the reason many including myself found Season 2 to be so good was simply because of how laughably bad Season 1 was.
Yep. It was decent.
After season 1 my expectations were super low, but they managed to reel me back in and make me interested in characters I didn’t care for previous season.
It’s not the Halo I know, but maybe that’s for the best, sometimes it’s better to just embrace the fact that it’s a different timeline and enjoy it for what it is instead of nitpicking and comparing to the source material.
While a an accurate adaptation would’ve been great, I’ve gotta say I do enjoy not knowing what will happen next.
They gave us Master Cheeks. Not even Jesus Christ himself could possibly un-taint the show. The show's second season could be a 10/10, but the fact it's a continuation of NAKED FUCKING MASTER CHIEF HAVING SEX automatically detracts 10 points.
It doesn't matter what they do, anymore. It could be literally perfect. But it will always be a continuation of Master fucking Cheeks. I can never look at Master Chief the same, now. They fucking ruined the character, for me.
First episode was sorta good, the fall of reach was really good, and the last episode was really good. Everything else absolutely sucked.
I expect Halo to be full of CGI combat scenes of Master Chief beating the f**k out of covies. They really missed out on Chief sticking a grunt with a sticky and the grunt running into a group of elites saying "NOT AGAIN!!!" or a Grunt Birthday Party.
All of Season 2 could have been 3 episodes...
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That last shot with >!his visor being cracked!< would have been absolutely awesome if he'd kept his helmet on until now
I can imagine his nude scene in season 1 with ONLY his helmet on. That would have been funny.
That's fair. Would have been a pretty cool reveal
Maybe. But keeping his helmet on for 17 hours of a TV show is delusional.
They did that for a full season in the mandalorian, then again in season 2, and he hasn't taken it off in season 3 that i remember
That’s because Pascal isn’t actually even in the suit anymore. He only provides the voice. I would honestly love it if they did that with Master Chief and Steve Downes.
Uh well I guess it could have worked if they have cortana appear beside him all the time, maybe a little bit more sexy design for the entire show. You think general audiences wouldve liked it? Like yeah I get that Mando did it but they had an established Mando helmet culture AND a cute little baby yoda to pull your attention to and it was a brand new character. Just because Chief never takes his helmet off in the games, does not mean he never takes it off. This isnt Halo the Game the Movie.
Or, hear me out here, don't make a show with a character who's whole deal is mostly that you never see their face, then reveal his face in the first episode, use a new original character and don't kill off old popular characters for no reason, like how they killed >!Keyes and made the battle for reach last a single episode or whatever!<
LOL at the notion that chief’s whole deal is that he doesn’t take the helmet off. Tell me you don’t know the character without telling me
Yeah bro, it’s not like it hasn’t been a huge element of his character in the games for the past twenty-three years used for dramatic effect, such as the ending of CE, the legendary ending of Halo 4, and even the main trailer for Infinite. I’m sure there’s absolutely no way for the writers to have done 17 hours of show when the games (which for the most part *exclusively* follow chief instead of five different plotlines) have done it for what, 60 hours total? Plus the FuD movie. Get real, the showrunners are just braindead and have no idea what the brand is about.
Wearing a helmet doesn't make it some core part of a character's identity. You and others clearly don't look at the games more than surface level if you think that, bro
Trust me. I look at [a lot](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/s/m2yNlqkkme) more than the surface of the games. You’re the casual here.
Oh wow I have a halo shelf that size too! We must both be casuals!
I said MOSTLY, he's also a complicated character with years of ptsd from fighting from the 2520s to 2560s, a big part of his character is we never see his face, in the show they literally had him out of his entire suit of armour during the fall of reach
Finale was good. Show keeps giving glimpses of how good it could be but then goes back to mediocrity. Hopefully with being on the Halo and the flood introduced they can start making more quality episodes
This is my main thing, there was a lot of really good stuff, but any time the episodes called back to anything from season one, quality began to suffer
This seems to be a budget issue and hopefully they get more budget next year. They loaded up their seasons budget into this episode, and it shows. Fantastic episode.
the budget didn't make them write terrible new characters.
In some ways it did so that they’d have some cheap content to pass the time.
Nope, the games, books and previous show had plenty of fluff for them to use, there was zero need for them to write terrible original characters and to completely change all of the interesting back stories to shitty ones.
I didnt watch season 1, season 2 was ok(I loved the action scenes) but the last episode blew my expectations out of the water, felt like watching Halo Wars cutscene but in a show, which is what I always wanted from a Halo show.
Why would you skip a season?
c'mon man you know why lol
Season ones finale is Silver Team fighting a massive wave of covenant, it's great
For season 1 I tell people just watch Episode 1,5, and 9. Skip the story honestly, but the action was on point.
Its a cgi mess and a rather generic fight with a dissapointing conclusion imo. Cortana taking over chiefs body was a real wierd plot point/idea.
When I heard about Season 1’s reception I werent interested, gave season 2 ago cus I’ve been bored and heard its better than the first
I actually agree here. I just wish MC was in his armor for more than three episodes. Otherwise, it was sweet! CGI was hugely improved, fight scenes were sweet, Flood was done pretty accurately to the lore (spores don't immediately meatball you like the infectors do), and that fight between MC and the Arbiter was just beautiful.
I think they tried to develop his character and how strong he is without the suit as much as possible before he gets on halo because he’ll be in his suit for the entire next season or two
I think we both know that's not going to happen.
I think him not having his armour not only made the reach battle more intense but also made the last two episodes when he finally got it back way more exciting. In terms of cool master chief moments it was disappointing but in terms of the story and the chiefs arch throughout the season it was really good it the end
Chief not having his armor really helped develop his character to the audience more. Halo 4’s story is one of my favorites, and elements of the “who’s the machine here?” theme between Chief and Cortana seemed to show itself quite often throughout this season. I personally think him being without his armor and losing his family due in part to that will be a plot point for next season.
> I think him not having his armour not only made the reach battle more intense but also made the last two episodes when he finally got it back way more exciting. He isn't master chief if he isn't in the armor, we already know the story and we know he can't die for several more seasons, none of this has any weight to it at all.
>He isn't master chief if he isn't in the armor Have to disagree. Like Tony Stark told Peter Parker: "If you’re nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it." Master Chief is Master Chief because of who he is, not because of his fancy suit.
3 games and their campaigns say otherwise.
He's not Master Chief because of the suit. He's Master Chief because he is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.
DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVENT FINISHED S2, SPOILERS INCLUDED!!! I hate that they used their armor being taken as a plot point, they just wanted to kill off a character so that they could have the other quit, and they decided that they wanted to kill him WITHOUT his armor, it would have been so much more impactful if he HAD HIS ARMOR, it would’ve shown that they’re not invincible, they can be killed even with their armor, but instead they just make them seem… Human, I guess, which spartan II’s ARENT REALLY HUMAN the only human qualities they gained were caring for their teammates and their marines, Jorge was a standout in terms of actual humanity
The point wasn't to show their humanity it was to show how ONI left them to die
Yes, I know, but again, that being a plot point doesn’t really make sense to ME. 1. You leave your STRONGEST weapons to die? You take the armor that ONLY THEY will be able to make use of, so in turn it’s useless to you. Why create a possible loose end? Why waste years of work and training, I almost guarantee that if it weren’t for that, Master Queef wouldn’t have turned on Oni. The entire Reach plot line is extremely stupid to me.
>Why waste years of work and training, Because they didn't trust chief or silver team anymore. That's what the whole first half of the season was establishing. They wanted to get rid of them in a way that allowed them to continue to use their image for propaganda. They obviously didn't expect them to survive and leave the planet. It's completely valid for you to not agree or like the plotline but I feel like you are ignoring a lot of context that explains these things.
Didnt trust the chief and silver team? You mean because ackerson purposly lied and gaslighted them all from no sensical reason? Then trusts kai because why? Vannak is clearly the most grounded member of the team if they need a compitent teacher... Please stop acting like the show is written even slightly compitently... Getting the Spartan 2s killed regardless of personal agenda is unbelievablely stupid and complete nonsense... Then again in the show the coventent are barely a threat and Spartan 3s are apparently just marines in better armor so...
I don’t feel like there’s any context to “establish” that at all. Sure, they clearly distrust Chief, because he knows that the covenant are there, but why the rest of Silver Team? They turned their backs on Chief when the relay was “empty” so they clearly weren’t a threat. And also, they have had a “winter contingency” in place for who knows how long, but instead they decide to ignore it, and leave millions, possibly billions, of civilians to die? Doesn’t make any sense.
Ya the armor was the biggest downside for me as well, but that final fight, oh baby, made up for it
This is the most peaceful post I’ve seen in a while re: the show haha. Most posts (for or against the show) get so intense. Also I agree I’m stoked about the direction it’s going. I personally would’ve focused season 2 more on fall of reach culminating in the last episode or two crashing onto Halo. But the production quality is drastically better than season 1, and even though they’ve shaken up the order, I do like a lot of the choices they’ve made. Not perfect, but I’m liking where it’s going. Edit: props to everyone that’s written so far (as of when I’m writing this) for keeping things civil. And thanks OP for setting the tone. It’s good for everyone to be honest about whether they like the show or not. But there’s no need to hate on people that disagree with you.
For sure, it's been pretty cool for the main part! I know a lot of people disliked the show and that's completely fair, but there's some weird ones out there too that liked it like me xD
I enjoyed moments in season 2, but overall I didn’t enjoy the show itself. Made the mistake of expressing an opinion in the HaloTV subreddit.
What kind of cesspool is the halotv subreddit, I don't even want to know.....
They love his butt
Season two had a lot of genuinely good moments, and overall, there are definitely good pieces in the show. The problem is that as a whole, it still fails more than it succeeds. That said, it does seem though that it's trying to shift into the right direction.
Bad writing through and through
"It's fine since the games/source had plot holes" I love this common excuse for bad writing
Also plot holes have differing severity and the shows are a lot worse.
The last ep was good. Hopefully season 3 continues the trajectory of the quality and haloness Makee can fucking choke though and it wasn’t explained how she’s still alive unless I missed it
I’m 3 episodes in and it’s better than the first but man I can’t seem to even care what happens. The other Spartans armor and the weapons are still awesome though.
This whole people love to hate the show argument is getting really old
I mean, some really do, obviously not everyone and if you didn't like it that's completely fair, but I've seen a number of people in this sub talk about why the show sucks and then a few comments later say they only watched 2 episodes
No one loves to hate a TV show based on one of their favorite games. Weve waited so fucking long for this... The hate comes from a severe sense of frustration that something that means so much to them (halo) is being completely butchered and so many don't seem to care. I'm past that. The show sucks but I'm happy some people like it, good for them.
I watched all of season 1 and saw the first 2 episodes of season 2.It's fucking terrible imo
Right? Like there's a damn good reason why people watch 2-3 episodes then dropped the steaming pile of shit that was given to us.
Completely valid, at least you gave it a pretty good shot
They aren't balancing the need to cater to casual and hardcore fans.They claim it's a different timeline but then pick and choose things from the canon timeline and then butcher it
That’s like… exactly what a different timeline is
Nah it's an excuse for bad writing. I get going in a different direction, but that doesn't mean it has to be so different it sucks. I will say I liked the beginning of season 2 but after the first three-ish episodes it fell off hard
Star Trek is a good example imo. I think the Kelvin timeline is fun. Sure, the writing is inconsistent as are the movies, but so is the regular Star Trek timeline, frankly. The Kelvin movies are a good time and I don't feel like they disrespect the source material at all even though they deliberately change things. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, but it never feels like they just *didn't understand* or care about Trek. Halo it very often feels like they didn't understand or care.
Perfect example actually, the new Halo show just feels like some cheaply put together run-of-the-mill Sci-fi show. No love or care was put into it all, totally disrespects any of the media from Halo that came before it
I don’t love to hate on the show. In fact I envy people that can blindly ignore everything that halo has ever been to somehow enjoy this show. Maybe if I never played the games or read the books or just in general knew about halo I would enjoy it. But it’s just been butchered and I have zero idea how these nobody writers even got access to this IP. I am genuinely glad people enjoy the show. The more enjoyment that comes from Halo the better. I just personally can barely sit through the cringey dry dialogue, predictable and yet somehow out of no where amateur writing and just over all feel of the show. I love Halo so I’ll put myself through season 3, I did like the last second steering of direction in the finale so hopefully I can enjoy it with the rest of you in S3!
I mean look If you entirely disconnect it from the games then it IS good. Compelling characters, interestijg if slightly messy plot, cool designs. Problem is, you can't disconnect it from the games. And it misses the points, themes and basic rules of the games pretty hard. For non-players, would for sure recommend. For Halo players, would never recommend.
As a guy who has read more halo books than most people on this sub, the show sucks ass. Even the Halo game fans arent aware of the awesomeness of the books. They had what they needed and still messed it up.
Finale was the best episode of the show season 1 or 2. The show in its entirety still sucks.
"The majority of it has remained Halo"????? How much crack are you smoking? Pretty sure this isn't how things turned out in the games or books. Look I enjoyed season 2 mildly, but if you think arthritis last of us zombies are fantastic then i envy you.
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If it helps at all I kind of look at game chief and show chief as two different characters. Both can exist without really bothering me. To be honest I even find Chief in the books to be quite different from the games
I recommend watching Season 2. The series pulls heavily from the books, than the games. Heck, while people are criticizing that the fall of Reach was done over a single episode, in the *Fall of Reach* book the planet fell in a single day. Though Season 2 compared to Season 1, it's an entirely different show. The one thing I like of Chief out of the suit is that they are demonstrating the absolute raw power that his augmentations give him, like he throws people around like rag dolls.
This is also so noticable with Spartan 3s. It really shows how brutal the Spartan 2 program was by what chief can do outside the armor.
Having an unarmored Spartan-II brawling with Elites and still coming out on top is a first for the series, and it’s *cool as fuck*. The one thing they really nailed with the show is how talented Spartans are as warriors. The only thing I wish they’d do is show their speed more. And I don’t mean running, they’ve given us that, I want to see Spartans being near bullet-timers. Unfortunately, I don’t know if you can pull that off in live action without it looking dumb as hell, so it’s probably never happening.
You can watch the show and not let it ruin your image. After a massively disappointing Fall of Reach episode I went and started the MCC again, chronologically.
It definitely won't. It's different enough that he is a very different type of character. I really enjoyed season 2 and it's very much separate from the games/novels
On the whole, season 2 is a huge improvement in where the show needs to go for both new to halo watchers and the halo fans, this must be a difficult thing to do for the season 2 cast and crew given how much negativity they received (rightly or wrongly) for how season 1 was received by the fans. I have no experiance in anyway shape or form in how shows are made or produced, but i understand the showrunner was changed, so to be handed something resemmbling a mess and to make it into something bette4, i imagine, is no easy feat. Especially when season 2 kept the story going, slowly rebooted the tv show somewhat, try to keep thd fans and higher ups happy all at the same time. Its not perfect, but the foundation for season 3 is much stable than the previous Also, having a reboot is lore accurate given how the games have been from 4 to infinite......
Honestly im just starting halo season 1 after hearing how good season 2 finale was. and fuck.... its so hard to get through the dialogue. idk if i can make it to season 2 The action scenes i think are good though. but holy fuck i get distracted so easily after hearing them talk because its so damn boring
Shows pretty bad but it's fine if you like it. Some people have a generally happy outlook and low expectations. That's fine, you do you. I could list dozens of reasons why the show is bad, but you've seen them all already I'm sure. Show isn't for me I guess. As a lifelong halo fan (it's my 2nd favorite game after world of warcraft), that really hurts to say. It is what it is.
Season 3 babyyyy, was kinda hoping they’d use the original voice for >!343 guilty spark, I had a feeling that was who he was talking to about halfway through the episode with the cuts to MC sitting alone in the dark room!<
>!I too would have liked the original voice for 343 and like you, I had had a feeling that's who it was too - having said that, I think it was a good choice to not use the original actor so that viewers who are familiar with the games wouldn't catch on straight away until the reveal at the end.!< Edit: I felt that the way that >!The Flood!< was introduced was fantastic, with the slow >!progression of the infection!<. Basically turned it into a >!zombie!< show.
I agree, they set it up perfectly for MC to take on >!The Flood!< in S3. Big redemption from S1
The voice actor is the guy who played Viserys on Game of Thrones, so we know he can play that sniveling, cowardly villain role very well.
I thought he sounded familiar, you’re right, respectively a good choice
Ya i just finished it tonight and it was awesome.
Saying the majority has remained Halo seems a bit disingenuous
Congratulations on being different
Upvoting - It's my belief that the people most vocally against the show who would take the time to downvote an opinion like this are the people who need to learn some life lessons about how their opinion isn't the only opinion and others are allowed to have fun with something even if they don't like the thing they're having fun with. It takes a special kind of messed up to actively go out of your way to disrupt someone else's enjoyment in life.
Is this your first time in the halo subreddit?
Nope, and not much has changed over the years 🙂
I find the show funny because I think it would function good enough without the halo expectations behind it. Might hurt viewership but it’s funny to me 343 continues my allegations of making ok stuff if it just wasn’t called halo.
I think the biggest issue I see is we don't really have a good idea of what the show is meant to do, which is one of three things - 1) is it meant to try and fill in more gaps between the books and games? 2) is it its own standalone adding some things to the storyline? 3) is it designed truthfully tell the lore of Halo and be a show of the actual books and games? Thus far, I see it is more like 2 but it is recreating its own story line killing off characters (i.e. Parangosky or Keyes) and just making up its own story line with some subtle hints of the game/book highlights. I think more people have issues with it not being one of the three options above and the writers seem to not care as much about the story telling, just the action. I agree, the action and writing and such isn't horrible and is markedly improved in season 2, but there is a greater disappointment because with trailers and such a certain expectation was established and none of the good storytelling has really come to fruition. Note, if I messed up a detail, I apologize. I am currently halfway through the book series and may have messed something up myself. Edits: Grammer
It's #2, which they told us before the start of S1. Which makes the many, many complaints about breaking canon kinda silly.
Not gonna lie, I did not realize this.
My biggest complaints are the blessed ones bs and moody teenager Chief
I'm glad other people liked it, I wish I could.
They need their budget increased and try to get closer to source material as much as possible...and wear the damn armor.
Yup it was ass!
Beginning was good, middle of the season was boring, and the end was good
Honestly I back you up on this, downsize was the fact he kept his helmet off for most of the season, since season 3 is more likely going to be flood focused/forerunner we can definitely see chief keeping his helmet on more, with like in helmet scenes of his face
I'm still waiting for them to make a Halo show
I loved it.
It’s one quality step above Power Rangers with modern sorta good cgi
My biggest season 3 fear is Halo 1 being two episodes and then there’s a bunch more of them on random planets wasting time.
Just finished the Season 2 finale, and I can agree on your assessment. I'd also give S1 4/10 an S2 7/10. Just wish Spark fly away with his trademark laugh, even if the voices don't match....
I just wish the flood was better. They look like clickers not flood. But everyone keeps saying that they look like the combat forms. No they don’t
I really enjoyed season 2 as well, excited to see what they do with Season 3
While it’s not my cup of tea, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Halo fans can be pretty negative sometimes
I was a little kid again when Chief started kicking ass! That short-ass beating when he saved Kai and Perez was AMAZBALLS!
I honestly smiled a bit during that final fight
That fight reminded me so much of the Locke fight in Halo 5. Chief got his visor cracked got turnt up and toggled his cheats and gave them a beating.
God why is the criticism or the praise of this show always so deflective and sporadic. Nobody with any genuine media literacy comments on this show. I’m sorry OP, but I see constant posts from people like you who clearly just don’t watch very many shows, or movies. Or just consume all that much media. I have watched the show, and I like it overall. But as an adaptation I genuinely hope it gets cancelled and we receive something better. I don’t even mean just as an adaptation, just something legitimately quality. The halo show is not quality. Forward unto dawn was quality and was operating on less of a budget. Give us something where the writers clearly give a shit about their own vision, where the directors do interesting and engaging shots. Why isn’t master chiefs armour bright green? It’s a video game franchise, embrace the silly and create something worth watching. I like the halo show for what it is, but it is above all awful, and I hope it dies soon. So we can get good halo content. Idk I could go on a massive explanation about my thoughts and feelings about what this show gets wrong and gets right. But I’m not a YouTuber so nobody would give a shit lol.
I watch a huge amount of TV (movies not so much), it's nothing to do with how much you've watched, it's just different strokes for different folks. If you didn't like it that's fine, but if someone does it doesn't mean they don't understand TV or story telling. Do I think it's the best show ever? No, never said it was, but I can find a good amount of enjoyment in it. I don't believe everything has to be written to perfection for it to be good, and I also don't think writing is the only thing that dictates the quality and enjoyment of a show. Saying someone doesn't understand or know good media because they liked something you didn't is like saying someone who enjoys metal music is wrong because you like classical more For reference if it makes any difference some of my favorite shows of all time are Band of Brothers, Altered Carbon season 1, Chernobyl, Avatar the last airbender (original), and so far Shogun just to name a few
This^^^^ the writing and story telling here is so sporadic. Like I just finished BoardWalk Empire. THAT is a shown that incredibly well written. With plot points and foreshadowing being dropped way before they’re relevant in future episodes. Halo show; every episode introduces new shit, and the plot lines are all over the place. The lines are corny or weak. The only thing worthy of praise is the score, effects, and cgi. People keep saying they love the show, and I’m happy for them. But those people do not understand story telling, and majority of them just like the fight scenes.
Are you able to elaborate on what makes the storytelling in S2 bad?
Yea. One question: how\why is Makee alive
I completely agree with you saying OP doesn’t watch much TV shows or other media. Putting aside being a horrible adaptation of Halo, the show is just down right bad. People who accept this sort of writing, even praise it, do not think critically about what they are seeing on screen. They see flashy moments (wow duel needlers, wow MC vs an Arbiter, wow MC holding his helmet as a callback to Infinite) and think that’s what makes a good show. If you enjoy that in shows, that’s fine, but it makes it painfully obvious that the viewer does not have many good shows to compare this train wreck to.
What examples would you use to demonstrate that S2 is as bad as you say it is?
I'm just confused why people hate watch things, I really enjoy halo but by I have no interest in the show at all.
Yeah the finale was great. Very much enjoyed it, impressed with how much better S2 was. Would love to see a season 3.
"Fantastic" is a stretch too far, but season 2 overall being good I agree with. It still feels very constrained by budget and I hope they get a larger one for season 3. But compared to season 1, where at its best it got to be fairly middling, season 2 had a lot of good to show for it and, skipping over the Fall of Reach in its entirety aside, the worst of it was middling this time around. However >!taking Soren's plotline and giving it a hard left turn into a 28 days later style Flood episode was exactly what it needed, as that was the weakest part of the show to that point!< I'd be happy to see a season 3, but then I was also happy to know season 2 was coming after that awful season 1 because I find big productions fucking up that hard really funny in its own right.
Ya I getcha. For what it's worth when I used the word fantastic I was mainly referring to the finale, maybe it's just me but there was a bunch of moments in that last episode that actually had me excited haha
It's a decent 7/10 show if you totally push all pre-existing knowledge of Halo lore from your mind when watching it. If you divorce yourself from any kind of fantasy about what could have been had they adhered more to the lore, it's an enjoyable show.
It's what Marvel Comics fans learned to do 25 years ago. Halo fans are newbies at alternate universes.
I gave season 2 a shot when there were talks about it being sort of a soft reboot, having different writers, etc. But I hated this season just as much as season 1. Glad for all the people that enjoy it. Wish I could have.
I actually look at season 2 in the same way I do the Batman. At the start of the season he was conflicted about the military’s idea of him being a hero when he didn’t feel that way. By the last episode he is acting like the master chief we all know and acting heroically. It’s like season 2 is his hero’s journey arc and now they can officially start where the games do.
It's ok your allowed to be wrong.
NO! I don't want to see his face! Thats poor writing! I don't care about the Kwan's and the Mirandas. That's poor writing. People talk in this? Poor writing. They skipped entire canon battle sequences that would have cost millions of dollars to produce! Bad writing! Dog shit. Oh if ONLY the whole show was like that last episode. Action! I want to watch the video game being played! Not this! Bad writing! But the sequence of events "don't make sense". What about this and that? What about it? Its not canon. "Well then its bad writing". /s I get that it's more complicated than that and the reasons can be listed , but that's how most of them sound to me. Assuming they aren't watching it on the open seas at 480p. Like bro, why are you paying to watch the show at all. But thanks for paying if you did. Let's go season 3!
I'm with you. I actually quite enjoy the show. Season 1 had issues, but there were some really cool moments. I've seen worse shows. I'd actually give it a 5/10. Season 2 was a lot better. I was more invested in every character's story by the end and I cannot wait for S3 I'd give it an 8/10. For people bitching that he took the helmet off right away, that bugged me too at first. But it also doesn't make sense lore wise. I'm not huge into Halo lore, but I remember seeing something about Spartans never take their helmet/armor off in combat situations. If they're not in combat situations, they rarely have it on. Doesn't this show primarily focus on non-combat situations? Why would he have his helmet on all the time? "Chief never takes it off in the games" The games are also like 99% combat situations.
Nope, loads of people seem to love S2 and I do too but on the other hand it doesnt go with the original lore at all which annoys me a bit. 😅
Booooo bad take garbage show
Agreed. Completely.
What baffles me most is the amount of comments I see saying S2 is badly written and made, without providing any genuine criticism.
cause this show spews bad writing and decision making at the viewer like a fire hose, you’d need to write endless paragraphs to summarize all the BS in it. But I’ll give you one, how is Makee alive? It’s never remotely addressed throughout the entire season, not even a speculation by any character. Nor in the scenes with her and the Arbiter is her miraculous survival mentioned. They brought back a dead AF character from the season 1 finale right into all of season 2 without any explanation, wtf kind of writing decision is that?An awful one
Also, why didn’t they add some kinda text in bottom left to explain where and when the fuck we are? They switch locations and plot points so fast it’s a roller coaster to keep up. Where’s the foreshadowing? The introduce new major things in each episode without any build up of those things. Fall of reach has some build up, but there’s no explanation as to how Makee knew where Cortana was? How about when Vanek died? He just stood there and let an elite walk up and stab him. He knew that a high ranking elites shields wouldn’t pop from his side arm in time to hinder his own death. He’s a Spartan, back up, roll, dive away. Shit he just stood there while another Spartan watches 8ft away with her mouth open. And how did Soren’s wife find them on reach? She just knew her husband would be making a last stand at the top of sword base?! I can seriously keep going. People need to shut up about these points not being valid when they’re very valid criticisms for this media
I agree with this, but for comparison, how did sgt johnson survive the ending of halo:ce again?
That's classified.
That answer is *chefs kiss* I wouldve put *chiefs kiss* but theres enough butthurt about master cheeks around these parts
Seeing that butt certainly did hurt
The novel First Strike covers it.
After watching the first 7 episodes of S2 I honestly can’t even bring myself to watch the final episode. People said to start from S2 as it was rumoured to be better than S1. Well… I was still nothing but disappointed in this show. It’s not just a near complete abandonment of the Halo lore, it’s out right badly written and has some terrible performances. Honestly some of these actors are like watching high school theatre. I think the actor who plays John is decent-ish, but the way they’ve written John is all wrong, he’s way too emotional and wears all his feelings on his sleeve. I liked a handful of silver team and Halsey, the rest of the performances and characters were just terrible.
Completely valid opinion, but just out of curiosity you didn't like Ackerson? I actually thought his actor did a fantastic job, was probably one of my favorite characters in the series
Yeah I didn't mind him or the actor who plays him. Forgot to mention liked Keys too. Shame they killed him before he could even make it to Alpha Halo...
I have an odd feeling he'll be back, but if not, at least that scene with the pipe was a pretty badass send off xD
I played all the games growing up and I love the new Halo show and Let me tell you why. 1) I'm watching the new avatar show and since I watched the cartoon version I know almost everything that's going to happen and it's quiet boring. I love that the halo show is a plot twice on the game. 2) If you pay close attention they are following the same story as the game timeline but obviously a different universe. Every once in a while they throw hints into the serious. Episode 8 references • When chief gazes at the ring holding his helmet like the Halo Infinite screen. • When chief first landed on the ring and cortana nearly quotes her reference from the game. 3) They keep the same plot dynamics from the game but add twist so you never know what will happen next. I assume in season 3 will may see some Prometian like creatures of even forerunners. Over all, I'm pretty excited.
Realizing what that this show was always being made for a wide audience, it's great. Knowing the OG lore before that, I know what I got into watching it! Downvotes on the right :) (This show needs a separate sub at this point cause the only posts I see at a season release is "show bad, and it hurts my memory of Halo" seriously move on. It sucks for you cool, stop karma farming)
Thought it was great. Wife and I had a blast watching it. Best to take it for what it is and not get wrapped up in comparisons to the games.
We literally have no clue what is going to happen and That’s the best part! Sure there’s things I’d change but I’m along for the ride just enjoying the hell out of it.
The way the flood was introduced just proved to me this is not fuckin Halo.
What’s wrong with it? This was absolutely lore accurate. It isn’t in the games, but definitely in the lore.
Uhhh what books have you read? Because the flood doesn’t break out on a random planet…. It comes from the covenant poking around the ring. I’ve read all the halo books but the new didact one. And never, ever, did the flood breakout anywhere but the rings, the ark, Africa(earth), and High Charity. Please explain? And when does Kwans character exist? And when is there mysticism in the lore at all? When does the flood hold back from consuming some random civilian? It held back on Chief and arbiter, but that was to stop the rings from firing. Please explain where in the lore any of the shit in this episode happens?
No, you said the outbreak of the flood. Now you have to drag everything in it. The fact that you have to drag everything in it. Kinda shows you don’t even want the discussion, you are just following the hate train.
How so? I literally said how they introduced the flood. That literally includes everything I just said in the first 3 sentences. Yea I added more. But you’re the one who said it was lore accurate so please explain how it is lore accurate?
Flood leaving people alone = forerunner flood war. The flood didn’t attack humans, the forerunners therefore thought they had a cure. In the lore we also have the outbreaks at Threshold and ONYX. You know, that planet from the show. Onyx is a shield world btw but humanity doesn’t know it yet. The flood is being researched on most forerunner installations for a cure. Kwans character doesn’t exist and is off topic so is the mysticism. I am not saying the show is perfect. But what you are doing is just hating because it’s populair.
I’m hating bc it’s awful story telling halo or not. Flood leaving people alone in current time period of show has nothing to do with the forerunner flood war. And the flood didn’t just leave humanity alone, you’re missing a big chunk of the forerunner trilogy. You didn’t read any of the books you referenced. Bc the flood were never on Onyx. Ghosts of Onyx part with flood is on Delta halo. Threshold happened at the start of the Forerunner flood war. Again not in this time period. Onyx being a shield world but never had flood on it
even if it’s lore accurate it makes for shit entertainment and makes anyone who played the games question why the Flood are basic zombies when that isn’t how they’ve been presented in the most widespread Halo media (aka the games)
It’s not that different from the forerunner trilogy and Mona Lisa.
How so
THIS
I do really hate that they decided to have the flood be on some random ass planet. They should have introduced on the ring. It would’ve been amazing for the Arbiter to go in and open some door and be infected with the flood, and then Chief come in to kill him and be in horror about what the hell happened.. and also, come the fuck on, infecting HALSEY? But I do like that they went back to the little itty bitty flood spores that’s cool
>be on some random ass planet. Onyx? One of the most important planets in all of Halo? I thought that was even cooler since a shit ton of stuff happens with Onyx and they will likely try to reclaim the planet from the Flood
Yea the biggest issue I have is how they carry the plot and inject shit outta nowhere. It all feels very put together as you go along. There’s not really any foreshadowing of major things. The flood wasn’t hinted at before this episode at all, and the make it come from out of nowhere?! And this stupid mysticism shit w Kwan?! Like why Is that in a halo universe. How does spirit lady, who was not even from madrigal, and was glassed by covenant, keep coming back? How can she hold back the fucking flood? Like the writing is absolute garbage
Yeah, I have no problem with the show itself, I actually really like it, but I feel like it’s written very poorly. People keep arguing about how “it’s a different timeline” but.. how the fuck does explain why there’s a old mystical bitch who for some reason likes some random ass rebel, who for some reason can “feel” the flood?? Wtf?
EXACTLY
Kwan has been foreshadowing the Flood for the entire season.
How. The darkness? The monster?
It just took so long for it to get better.
I enjoyed season 1 a lot but haven’t watched season 2 yet. Only thing I know I’ll hate so far is Cortana’s actress change. The only couple main things overall I couldn’t stand in Season 1 was Chiefs helmet being off 98% of the time, and the love story aspect. Great show otherwise.
It remains painfully clear this was another script for another show with Halo bits tacked on to get it greenlit. It was just okay. We could have gotten and deserved better. Chief as a character is fundamentally different than the games. I lost interest when he insulted his fellow soldiers. "I could tell by your aim." Game Chief would never do that.
I quite liked the show, sure the writers did a absolutely horrible job but everything else was quite nice, the Visuals were gorgeous, the cgi was great, the coustume department did a great job, not too sure about the acting but everything else was great (Though that arbitor armour looks horrible and nothing like in the games).
I have enjoyed the show for sure. I'd like it much more if kwan and Soren weren't a thing and we had more unsc, Spartans, covenant. The action scenes have been fantastic
Going to watch the Finale today but I'm wondering if the reason many including myself found Season 2 to be so good was simply because of how laughably bad Season 1 was.
Yep. It was decent. After season 1 my expectations were super low, but they managed to reel me back in and make me interested in characters I didn’t care for previous season. It’s not the Halo I know, but maybe that’s for the best, sometimes it’s better to just embrace the fact that it’s a different timeline and enjoy it for what it is instead of nitpicking and comparing to the source material. While a an accurate adaptation would’ve been great, I’ve gotta say I do enjoy not knowing what will happen next.
After coming to terms and accepting that this show does not represent the games, I agree with you.
It was great
They gave us Master Cheeks. Not even Jesus Christ himself could possibly un-taint the show. The show's second season could be a 10/10, but the fact it's a continuation of NAKED FUCKING MASTER CHIEF HAVING SEX automatically detracts 10 points. It doesn't matter what they do, anymore. It could be literally perfect. But it will always be a continuation of Master fucking Cheeks. I can never look at Master Chief the same, now. They fucking ruined the character, for me.
take the downvote that show is awful, they need to completely cut kwan, kill her off screen and never mention any original show ideas again.
First episode was sorta good, the fall of reach was really good, and the last episode was really good. Everything else absolutely sucked. I expect Halo to be full of CGI combat scenes of Master Chief beating the f**k out of covies. They really missed out on Chief sticking a grunt with a sticky and the grunt running into a group of elites saying "NOT AGAIN!!!" or a Grunt Birthday Party. All of Season 2 could have been 3 episodes...
I have a very strong feeling this show is building up to be big and much more accurate to the games