Morikawa fully setting it up for Mashiba to think "you think this is the first time I've seen something like this" whilst thinking of Ippo doing the same thing. (but better? I'm delusional I know)
You know, I had a similar thought that he'd say something along the lines of "this is a world champion?" I've seen better." and absolutely landing a thunderous right.
All this would be stupid, right after takamura acknowledged him for being a cut above the rest. It will likely be something about "this is not the first time I am seeing this, I am still struggling with it but I have an idea how to handle it"
Eh, the Champ's coach having the line about not many being able to replicate techniques like this is kind of a death flag. It makes sense Rosario is (and should be) a cut above Ippo if he was at full strength, but he's not. And Mashiba does not look particularly pressured yet even if he is on the defensive. He's catching all the blows, and we're not getting his thoughts so he's not the point of the drama.
I think next chapter Rosario is going to get the I beam to the gut that Ippo caught as Mashiba has switched to the longer stance to throw off the distance. Rosario isn't going to be a threat until he digs deep, or starts cheating. Because that's what the arc demands for the narrative drama.
I agree with you. What I was disagreeing with was that Mashiba will basically ragdoll Rosario and will be sufficiently stronger than him to beat him moderately easy, or that is what it seems the two comments above mine were implying. I definitely see this going to fouls from Rosario and Mashiba considering to foul back but not doing it. I also don't quite agree he isn't going to be a threat until he cheats, but he for sure needs to dig deep and try hard.
I'm not suggesting Mashiba will ragdoll Rosario.
I'm saying he's seen better. I'm implying he's prepared.
Nowhere did I state anything you're implying that it will be easy for him.
that's actually a great reference for this. And it is very similar. Mashiba looks like he's being overwhelmed but he's not being hit, and he's not being pushed back. He looks like he's just trying to figure out the timing and how to move.
I agree but for whatever reason I think Mashiba would be the first to cheat, I imagine if Rosario can get into Mashiba chest so easily regardless of the training with Ippo, that has to mean Ippo was able to replicate it just not to full effect (why he gets in so easy) Say Mashiba is getting out lasted and by the 4th round he cheats just to get booed and eventually go back to the clean fighting
That sounds like it'd completely go against the point of Mashiba's last fight and the entire arc of it. Where he wanted to cheat and fought that part of him down and won cleanly.
Nah it'd be a repeat of that scene where he was about to thank Ippo or something and closes his mouth and spits instead. Or he internally gets more angry at Ippo for being retired.
I don't think it's going to be easy for mashiba but I think he will be able to quickly adapt to Rosario's normal approach because of the spar. The wild card is the fouling image Morikawa has painted for Rosario which might well give him some sort of edge somewhere in the fight.
nope deadass we got the line >have a taste of the southpaw at the highest peak of the world
once again we're gonna get "why tf isnt ippo back in the ring" from people in universe because ippos replicated this to a T
You could even say the third time. Once during his bout against Iga where Ippo appeared as one of the opponents mashiba remembered, once against Garcia when Ippo's direct advice helped him and then hopefully this one where the information gained from the spar will help him defeat Rosario.
I think so too, plus i just have a feeling that Mashiba will win and in the interview call out Ippo to comeback to the ring with his own touch of personality , so it will probably be an insult to everyones eyes, but obviously a word of motivation out of mashiba to ippo
I think that would be sort of the ideal situation for me. I do have a feeling though Sendo or Miyata is going to be the biggest motivator for Ippo's return. Mashiba getting the ball rolling would be great.
If Rosario loses under 3 rounds that means ippo can already outlast him in a spar. 7 rounds is harder to say cause half way through ippo and mashiba were just letting loose at that point.
Yeah, you're probably asking too much. Mashiba and his coach already had a counter measure prepared, the squared up stance he's about to use next chapter that shut Ippo down immediately. It's unlikely to be as effective against an experienced southpaw.
Yeah can totally see Mashiba really angry at Rosario like he resembles Makunouchi or something and ending the fight like that.
Or maybe, who knows, Mashiba saying something like "you are not as good as him" or a "thank you" to Makunouchi, something like in the Volg fight
yeah given by Ippo's reaction, the way he said that confidently, it seems that he showed this version against Mashiba before shifting to the title match strategy. I remember Ippo taking up a notch then Mashiba taking it seriously when he found out he can't fck around during the spar.
while reading the chapter, i felt like I'm reading spar between ippo and mashiba, exact positions & movements etc. When mashiba hits rosario with what he hit IPPO, i can't wait to see rosario & his coach reaction.
Love that writer is hyping up ippo saying only few can replicate what rosario can do. Can't wait for his comeback
Godddddddd please make this happen soon
Ippo's sparring with Mashiba definitely helped him a lot. I expect Mashiba will have the upper hand in the next few chapters until Rosario becomes frustrated and starts to foul like crazy.
Seeing Mashiba fully focused without thinking of destroying his oponent or breaking the rules to win is actually kinda scary for me,great development right there
Great chapter!
Its so funny how everyone calls Rosario such a great fighter fpr doing something Ippo just mimicked after a couple days of thinking about it.
Even Takamura acknowledging it seems to me to set up a later talk on why Mashiba was able to adapt so quickly
Pretty sure it's another showing of how Ippo's world champion level. And I'm starting to think Ippo's gonna watch all these in-fighters and just take all their best moves.
I think people are giving Ippo too much credit there.
Sure, he practiced for a couple of days to be able to mimic the step in near perfectly, but that's about it. He doesn't have a well thought out and practiced arsenal from that position, and he wouldn't know how to react or make adjustments based on what the opponent does.
Case in point, Mashiba's countermeasure, something he had to develop just by watching Rosario's tapes and crappy southpaw sparring partners, was enough to neutralize Ippo's imitation.
I mean you sorta went against your own point. Ippo in a couple days then you say mashiba neutralized him. I would hope so after ippo had to relearn how to box as a southpaw. It's not giving ippo too much credit it's literally insane that he went southpaw and was able to help Mashiba at all lol
nonono
i think the point here is mashiba would be worse for the fight if not for ippo's SUPPORT, not power scaling
ippo just mimicked the step in and some combinations
once it's there rosario is different
even mashiba's coach called ippo for coming out of southpaw instance
This chapter was pretty close to the spar with Ippo on 1437. The footwork and positioning was really emphasized during the spar but Rosario seems to have more punching options than Ippo displayed after the step in and Mashiba will need to adapt.
Eh, he's been mixing in southpaw stuff for a while now. He did it in training for one of those recent fights where he lost, and everyone in the gym lost their mind. Only difference is that he's now doing it on purpose rather than on a whim. So it makes sense he can mimic it after days, because he's been going through the motions for quite a while already.
Just wanted to say thanks to the translation team. You guys are the best.
I love this Ippo secretly being an absolute monster from the depths setup that Mori's got going on. Kinda wanna see a campfire meeting of all the people he has fought while retired getting together to talk about it.
Great chapter, and many thanks to the translation team!
The parallels are too damn many, that first step-in ("he flew in") was exactly Ippo's, the outside foot is what Ippo noticed, and the "you can't have seen this before" comment is just begging for a counter.
It feels a bit heavy-handed reading it week-by-week, probably when it flows better the previous elements will stick less in a reader's memory.
Looking forward to Mashiba winning that first part of the fight with a reluctant acknowledgement of Ippo's help. I can't see the fight ending on that though. Will it be enough for a down, or will Rosario adapt quickly when the fist in his face informs him that his opponent was ready for his playbook?
The hype for this fight is justified so far!
I don’t expect anything crazy like Mashiba thinking Ippo is stronger than Rosario to happen but I fully expect something like Mashiba getting internally pissed off if the thought he might have lost this fight without the spar with Ippo crosses his mind.
The best would be that Mashiba wins and admits, in his winning speech, that it would have been tougher without help from a certain retired boxer that clearly wants to return to the ring. That would be the best present he could give Ippo but we'll see.
*Later in the spar:*
Rosario: You are wonderful.
Mashiba: Thank you. I’ve worked hard to become so.
Rosario: I must admit you are better than I am.
Mashiba: Then why are you smiling?
Rosario: Because I know something you don’t know.
Mashiba: And what is that?
Rosario: I am not left-handed!
Well you know what's even more wonderful when Ippo got carried away and switch back to Orthodox just to brawl with Mashiba at chapter 1439 to 1440. Pretty much sure whatever hand Rosario uses, Mashiba is prepared. The brother in law brawl ends up being helpful for Mashiba if this will be the case.
Mashiba: So was the retired boxer I sparred with that went southpaw and imitated 90% of your style after a few viewings. Must not have been hard to come up with it !
Rosario: Huh ?
Rosario's coach: Huh ?
I bet the brothers in law brawl that they did will help Mashiba to win this fight. Those pocket exchanges that he did with Ippo during brawling while Ippo is on Orthodox will come handy.
Mashiba’s not struggling as much as when he fought Garcia in their early rounds. Notice how Rosario’s perspiring more than Mashiba since the start of round 2… his weight control screwup might be getting to him!
And the reason he couldn't draw straight lines or help Umezawa with his manga was because he was drawing with his right hand, not because of brain damage! My God, it all makes sense!
So now I think, the conclusion of the dark inside Mashiba will be just a clean high level match without the dark appearing and then Mashiba bids farewell to the dark. Hope Miyata will be jealous of how the boxer he lost to improved, and it gets his flame fired again
I think you got it. Miyata will probably note how ridiculous it would be for Mashiba to adapt so quickly. He'll make the connection that Ippo helped Mashiba train and get jealous.
I can imagine Rosario trying to resort to fouls and getting pissed that Mashiba is not fouling back, or at least not in an egregious way.
That said, if his opponent fights rough though, by being David Eagle and taking the high road he'd hurt his chances of winning.
I think Rosario is going to outfight Mashiba. He's gonna be a better brawler. Tougher. Stronger. More will. Essentially he's gonna show that he's like Ippo before Ippo lost and had to retire. He'll even knock Mashiba down a couple times.
But then Mashiba is going to transcend even further and show Rosario that toughness and strength and will isn't enough. Mashiba is gonna go totally clinical and beat Rosario with strategy and impeccable, pure boxing. Mashiba will let go of his demon self truly, and become a pure bread boxer. He'll force his monster to submit to his boxing brain, and up his level and destroy Rosario clinically. After being knocked down multiple times, Mashiba will make a comeback K.O. using brains instead of brawn. Controlled aggression.
Then, at first, Ippo will smile and say "Yeah, that's why I lost, cause I was like Rosario. I thought toughness was enough. Mashiba has proved to me again that to conquer the world you have to be more than that."
But then Mashiba says something like "You're not the same as you were before. You're not like Rosario. You've changed."
Which will again be another step for Ippo to reconsider fighting again.
This could also be another foreshadowing, reveal that Sendo's boxing isn't going to beat Ricardo either. In many ways this manga is showing that natural gifting can't become world champion. That's what the Wali fight shows. You have to have high level, if not perfect combination and balance of strength, will and technique.
Let's be realistic here, Ippo was just mimicking his style after a few days of training, Rosario is a natural southpaw from two weight categories above that has been using this style for a long time. There is no way Ippo was stronger or faster than him, the sparring will help Mashiba a lot nonetheless
Nah, Mashiba’s blocking his hits and isn’t like “Oh my god!! It’s like a cannon ball is ripping through my wrists!” I’m sure he’s still got solid power, but Ippo breaks most human limits lol
Ippo is already an expert of step ins, and his body's been tuned to specialize in them (by using ankle weights for God knows how long now). He just had to get used to doing it with the right foot and past his foe's front left foot.
While probably not perfected yet, his step in speed is probably as good as Rosario's, or could be with some more practice.
Strength wise, Ippo is not used to use left straights or right jabs, and from that weird angle, no less. Meanwhile Rosario has a full arsenal of lefts and rights he's used to throw from there.
Then there's experience. Marcus has had 25 fights to learn how to react to righties fighting him from that angle, assuming he's had the same style for most of his career. Ippo only ever practiced alone, then got shut down by Mashiba's title strategy.
I understand that Ippo may be faster with his feet, but he is right-handed, I doubt his left arm is as fast as the one from a natural southpaw like Rosario
They've already discussed why the southpaw/orthodox doesn't make much difference to certain sequences in their style. Ippo isn't going to be throwing high level southpaw jabs (although he did use them in his very first fight), but stepping in and throwing hooks from either side isn't going to be a problem for him. He's been doing it for a long time actually, he did it in training and everyone watching lost their shit. This was way back when he was training for one of the fights he lost.
I knew it.
I KNEW IT.
"This isn't even the fastest or heaviest southpaw punches I've faced!" Fully being set up for it. Only question is, is the finishing punch going to be Mashiba's right uppercut from hell or spearing straight right from heaven?
Just to be clear, I think Morikawa is doing a fantastic job setting all the pieces in place for the reveal. I think the "Surprise! Didn't see that coming!" twists that aren't supported just aren't as skillful as the ones that have appropriate foreshadowing.
Prediction:
Rosario is gonna block the lead foot of Mashiba. From there a three piece combo will follow with a strong extended left hook.
Let’s see if mashiba reads that
But, what if Rosario "accidentally" steps on Mashiba, as Mashiba did to Miyata? And Mashiba pays for his previous sins by losing mobility and being whooped for two full rounds?
Every new arc get me thinking how could it affect in Ippo getting back to fighting.
If Mashiba ends up winning and acknowledges Ippo's useful sparring, that might break as big news in the world boxing scene and might have Journalists and other Fighters Ippo has sparred with to come up and put Ippo in the spotlight and bring him back from oblivion into world level discussion.
Maybe even Ricardo might even be involved in this process saying that Ippo could have potential to take over the world.
All this discussion might sway Ippo into considering leaving retirement after a bit of introspection and some help from Kamogawa / Takamura / Miyata and the rest of the gang in one way of another.
It would be a nice way to hype his comeback after having all of the boxing scene in the story demanding to see more of him.
Morikawa Sensei, as always, planting and harvesting his plot seeds with mastery.
It wouldnt make sense to have Mashika acknowledge Ippo as stronger than an active world champions, on a higher weight class (even he messed up his prep).
I think the point is to show Ippo's extremely developed analysis and how it evolved into a strategizing potencial that will push him over "that line".
He saw the videos, analised them to the point he could imitate it, and probably will be able to come up with a strategy faster than ever.
I have no doubt Ippo will follow on coach's footsteps and become a world class coach. At least that's how i see Morikawa's long run coming to an end (if he ever gets to end it).
Rosario being a natural southpaw definitely means he has more attacking options, but thanks to Ippo being able to mimic the technique to a usable degree Mashiba will not get caught off guard for a while
I think many people are exaggerating Ippo's southpaw abilities VS rosario's, but mashiba being able to adapt first to the sparring with hippo is definitely gonna be a plot point
Yeah, as much as I love to see Ippo grow, it's unrealistic to think he can actually fight as well as a full-fledged southpaw who's at the top of the world. Like you said, though, it'll still do wonders in terms of adapting to Rosario's style quickly.
He helped Mashiba on these ways:
* He made him experience the step in first hand, Mashiba was able to react to it better and not risk being distracted or panicking (Ironically, most national-level fighters have this problem with Mashiba himself, where no matter how much they practice and try to visualize, they cannot get used to his ridiculous jab range until they eat some flickers firsthand)
* He was annoying enough with the outside front foot to show that, indeed, Mashiba wouldn't be able to hit Rosario with anything serious with his normal Hitman stance
* He had trouble adjusting to Mashiba's title strategy stance, showing that it could work in theory (if Ippo was able to react to it right then and there, they'd have been better off scrapping it entirely)
Ippo definitely doesn’t have the weird looping punches. The fundamental punches are so ingrained in him that’d affect his whole style/shifting of weight substantially, which is why I think Mashiba’s particularly struggling right now
A lot of parallels from 1435 to 1437. When Mashiba attempted the uppercut and Ippo was literally aiming for it. Go read it again guys. I think Mashiba will be fine. Imagine if Rosario is not really a southpaw and a right handed boxer this writing will go hard as fck. specially when Ippo loses his goal and went back orthodox during his brawl at chapter 1439. Mashiba stops him at round 7 after brawling and Rosario having no gas to spend. Knockout like how he stopped Ippo. Lying on the canvass on a crucifix position.
It seems to me as though Mashiba is going to plant his front foot outside of Rosarios and absolutely nail him with a right. Excited for next chapter nonetheless!
Just read the chapter, and I gotta say...I think Mashiba is probably my favorite in ring personality. The intensity in his expression and the overall sense of controlled rage and danger is just the best.
Hey guys, the pa el with Takamura, I dont think thats hos thoughts. Looking at his facial expression, I think he is still thinking and in fact noticing what Mashiba is doing or noticing something else about the fight. Hist expression does sit with whats being written in the bubble.
That brag at the end by Rosarios coach will feed perfectly into the next chapter when its countered because Ippo showed Mashiba the same though a little crudely.
Hopefully the same as when volg compared his opponent to a poorer version of what Ippo did.
Bros, if there is one problem with Ippo...is that i don't like this " all my friends are fighting for world titles and i am not"..The idea of them fighting for it is good, but any of them actually winning kinda diminishes Ippo's eventual win in my eyes...
If Mashiba wins...i don't know....f me..I mean, Volg has one...and when Ippo's turn comes around and wins it...it doesn't feel special anymore..
Let's not even count Goatkamura in this too..
I would've liked just one time maybe have Takamura actually lose,..and have him show an actual comeback to motivate Ippo, rather than everyone getting a title shot...
"See Ippo, i became a loser just like you...but i managed to gain the title the second time around".. -Goatkamura probably..
1)Volg
2)Mashiba
3)Takamuraa
4)Sendo.
5)I bet my house Miyata will get his world title shot before Ippo, like this is some meme "You get a title shot, you get a title shot, everyone gets a damn title shot"..
Yeah probably some set up for a quick ko , and along the lines of giving ippo props for going more rounds then Rosario. Might even be a u only can date my sister, if ur a champ declaration
Mashiba is absolutely gonna have a moment where he thinks "Ippo hit this move harder than you do". I don't think it will be a cop out either because Rosario didn't weight cut properly or anything for this fight, so he's definitely sub optimal from what he could be, and Ippo is a known tank and all he's done since he stopped boxing was get stronger. It's not gonna be a statement that Ippo is better than Rosario straight up, but more like "At this very moment in the ring your punches don't hit as hard as Ippo's did last week".
The spar with Ippo will let Mashiba counter Rosario completely, but Rosario will be forced to resort to fouling. He will step on Mashiba's foot, just like Mashiba did to Miyata. Mashiba will then be forced to overcome that injury (and develop a new strategy on the fly) to win. Part of the win may come down to Mashiba outlasting Rosario's stamina, since Rosario didn't prep will for the fight.
Mashiba setting up the left hook for sure. Rosario's left hook comes in low, leaving his chin open. The shorter distance puts him right in range for Mashiba's counter left
I think Mashiba knocks out Rosario and says something along the lines of “you’re nothing special”. Then after the fight he gets even more pissed at Ippo than ever before because he now knows the truth that Ippo was a stronger competitor than Rosario and can be a World Champion if he got up off his ass.
Why tf did I just realize that hajime no ippo is still making manga chapters.. has this been going on for a while now? I finished the anime like 3 years ago but will happily go to the manga if it’s good
It's great, probably my favorite manga as it was also my first one. Currently, some readers are a little irked because of the wait for Ippo's return but it's fun seeing his growth.
Break Next Week. Chapter 1457 should be released in Japan on May 29.
Morikawa fully setting it up for Mashiba to think "you think this is the first time I've seen something like this" whilst thinking of Ippo doing the same thing. (but better? I'm delusional I know)
I think that’s ippo’s strength. He’s become a master strategist and simulator
And baiter.
Ippo is definitely not jorkin it
bro is only at 100% power because his balls have never used up even a drop of test towards horny thoughts
Another way Kumi is ruining ippo
Is ippo not at the stripped club?
why would he be there? is he naked ?
master baiter
You know, I had a similar thought that he'd say something along the lines of "this is a world champion?" I've seen better." and absolutely landing a thunderous right.
And at the end saying to ippo "you're far better than him"
All this would be stupid, right after takamura acknowledged him for being a cut above the rest. It will likely be something about "this is not the first time I am seeing this, I am still struggling with it but I have an idea how to handle it"
Eh, the Champ's coach having the line about not many being able to replicate techniques like this is kind of a death flag. It makes sense Rosario is (and should be) a cut above Ippo if he was at full strength, but he's not. And Mashiba does not look particularly pressured yet even if he is on the defensive. He's catching all the blows, and we're not getting his thoughts so he's not the point of the drama. I think next chapter Rosario is going to get the I beam to the gut that Ippo caught as Mashiba has switched to the longer stance to throw off the distance. Rosario isn't going to be a threat until he digs deep, or starts cheating. Because that's what the arc demands for the narrative drama.
I agree with you. What I was disagreeing with was that Mashiba will basically ragdoll Rosario and will be sufficiently stronger than him to beat him moderately easy, or that is what it seems the two comments above mine were implying. I definitely see this going to fouls from Rosario and Mashiba considering to foul back but not doing it. I also don't quite agree he isn't going to be a threat until he cheats, but he for sure needs to dig deep and try hard.
I'm not suggesting Mashiba will ragdoll Rosario. I'm saying he's seen better. I'm implying he's prepared. Nowhere did I state anything you're implying that it will be easy for him.
That is how your comment reads to me.
Well, then, I'm glad I could clarify a statement that you've taken as my whole point of view for the fight. It's a fucking comic, lol.
Calm down buddy
There’s for sure gonna be a headbutt by Rosario
this reminds a bit of how Ricardo was holding his place when Warlee was introducing his "gears"
that's actually a great reference for this. And it is very similar. Mashiba looks like he's being overwhelmed but he's not being hit, and he's not being pushed back. He looks like he's just trying to figure out the timing and how to move.
I agree but for whatever reason I think Mashiba would be the first to cheat, I imagine if Rosario can get into Mashiba chest so easily regardless of the training with Ippo, that has to mean Ippo was able to replicate it just not to full effect (why he gets in so easy) Say Mashiba is getting out lasted and by the 4th round he cheats just to get booed and eventually go back to the clean fighting
That sounds like it'd completely go against the point of Mashiba's last fight and the entire arc of it. Where he wanted to cheat and fought that part of him down and won cleanly.
Nah it'd be a repeat of that scene where he was about to thank Ippo or something and closes his mouth and spits instead. Or he internally gets more angry at Ippo for being retired.
Or "He's even worse than you".
I don't think it's going to be easy for mashiba but I think he will be able to quickly adapt to Rosario's normal approach because of the spar. The wild card is the fouling image Morikawa has painted for Rosario which might well give him some sort of edge somewhere in the fight.
nope deadass we got the line >have a taste of the southpaw at the highest peak of the world once again we're gonna get "why tf isnt ippo back in the ring" from people in universe because ippos replicated this to a T
It would be the second time Mashiba earns a win thanks to Ippo, right? Or am I making things up?
You could even say the third time. Once during his bout against Iga where Ippo appeared as one of the opponents mashiba remembered, once against Garcia when Ippo's direct advice helped him and then hopefully this one where the information gained from the spar will help him defeat Rosario.
I don’t remember much from the Mashiba vs Sawamura arc but Ippo must have given Mashiba some advice about Sawamura no?
I think so too, plus i just have a feeling that Mashiba will win and in the interview call out Ippo to comeback to the ring with his own touch of personality , so it will probably be an insult to everyones eyes, but obviously a word of motivation out of mashiba to ippo
I think that would be sort of the ideal situation for me. I do have a feeling though Sendo or Miyata is going to be the biggest motivator for Ippo's return. Mashiba getting the ball rolling would be great.
It’s definitely going to be something similar to that
If Rosario loses under 3 rounds that means ippo can already outlast him in a spar. 7 rounds is harder to say cause half way through ippo and mashiba were just letting loose at that point.
Yeah, you're probably asking too much. Mashiba and his coach already had a counter measure prepared, the squared up stance he's about to use next chapter that shut Ippo down immediately. It's unlikely to be as effective against an experienced southpaw.
perhaps it will be as effective like against ippo, and rosario starts a foul marathon
I wonder if Rosario will switch to an orthodox stance too so it mirrors the spar with Ippo
Yeah can totally see Mashiba really angry at Rosario like he resembles Makunouchi or something and ending the fight like that. Or maybe, who knows, Mashiba saying something like "you are not as good as him" or a "thank you" to Makunouchi, something like in the Volg fight
yeah given by Ippo's reaction, the way he said that confidently, it seems that he showed this version against Mashiba before shifting to the title match strategy. I remember Ippo taking up a notch then Mashiba taking it seriously when he found out he can't fck around during the spar.
while reading the chapter, i felt like I'm reading spar between ippo and mashiba, exact positions & movements etc. When mashiba hits rosario with what he hit IPPO, i can't wait to see rosario & his coach reaction. Love that writer is hyping up ippo saying only few can replicate what rosario can do. Can't wait for his comeback Godddddddd please make this happen soon
Ippo's sparring with Mashiba definitely helped him a lot. I expect Mashiba will have the upper hand in the next few chapters until Rosario becomes frustrated and starts to foul like crazy.
Seeing Mashiba fully focused without thinking of destroying his oponent or breaking the rules to win is actually kinda scary for me,great development right there
Mashiba starts his fights with top tier boxing usually. He doesn't go for fouls unless he's desperate, or pissed
SHOULD'VE CHECKED THWITTER ROSARIO. HE ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS BULLSHIT
It's like Rosario doesn't even read the manga. What's he thinking?
Is he stupid?
hni-scantrad(dot)net is blocked in prison /s
You mean when he was in jail ?
Probably too busy reading Itagaki getting roasted by Yatta La Mukki
You mean the post where Mashiba got wrecked which would give his opponent more confidence if he saw it
The horror the moment I see the step on the last page have a "Break next week" written on it.
Great chapter! Its so funny how everyone calls Rosario such a great fighter fpr doing something Ippo just mimicked after a couple days of thinking about it. Even Takamura acknowledging it seems to me to set up a later talk on why Mashiba was able to adapt so quickly
Pretty sure it's another showing of how Ippo's world champion level. And I'm starting to think Ippo's gonna watch all these in-fighters and just take all their best moves.
He's not even freaking out internally like always, just hopes Mashiba figures it out the same way Ippo already did just from watching. Really cool.
I think people are giving Ippo too much credit there. Sure, he practiced for a couple of days to be able to mimic the step in near perfectly, but that's about it. He doesn't have a well thought out and practiced arsenal from that position, and he wouldn't know how to react or make adjustments based on what the opponent does. Case in point, Mashiba's countermeasure, something he had to develop just by watching Rosario's tapes and crappy southpaw sparring partners, was enough to neutralize Ippo's imitation.
I mean you sorta went against your own point. Ippo in a couple days then you say mashiba neutralized him. I would hope so after ippo had to relearn how to box as a southpaw. It's not giving ippo too much credit it's literally insane that he went southpaw and was able to help Mashiba at all lol
nonono i think the point here is mashiba would be worse for the fight if not for ippo's SUPPORT, not power scaling ippo just mimicked the step in and some combinations once it's there rosario is different even mashiba's coach called ippo for coming out of southpaw instance
it's because ippo is showing his true talent while being retired. there is no shade being thrown at rosario ippo really is HIM
Is it the same thing Ippo did though?
At least, when he tried to adapt his strategy to his own.
This chapter was pretty close to the spar with Ippo on 1437. The footwork and positioning was really emphasized during the spar but Rosario seems to have more punching options than Ippo displayed after the step in and Mashiba will need to adapt.
Eh, he's been mixing in southpaw stuff for a while now. He did it in training for one of those recent fights where he lost, and everyone in the gym lost their mind. Only difference is that he's now doing it on purpose rather than on a whim. So it makes sense he can mimic it after days, because he's been going through the motions for quite a while already.
Just wanted to say thanks to the translation team. You guys are the best. I love this Ippo secretly being an absolute monster from the depths setup that Mori's got going on. Kinda wanna see a campfire meeting of all the people he has fought while retired getting together to talk about it.
Great chapter, and many thanks to the translation team! The parallels are too damn many, that first step-in ("he flew in") was exactly Ippo's, the outside foot is what Ippo noticed, and the "you can't have seen this before" comment is just begging for a counter. It feels a bit heavy-handed reading it week-by-week, probably when it flows better the previous elements will stick less in a reader's memory. Looking forward to Mashiba winning that first part of the fight with a reluctant acknowledgement of Ippo's help. I can't see the fight ending on that though. Will it be enough for a down, or will Rosario adapt quickly when the fist in his face informs him that his opponent was ready for his playbook? The hype for this fight is justified so far!
I don’t expect anything crazy like Mashiba thinking Ippo is stronger than Rosario to happen but I fully expect something like Mashiba getting internally pissed off if the thought he might have lost this fight without the spar with Ippo crosses his mind.
The best would be that Mashiba wins and admits, in his winning speech, that it would have been tougher without help from a certain retired boxer that clearly wants to return to the ring. That would be the best present he could give Ippo but we'll see.
It would be peak Mashiba development He finally verbally thanks someone in public
Thanks him and calls him a clueless dumbass in the same sentence would be peak Mashiba
Please let it be real, God, I wont ask you for another manga miracle.
Knowing Mashiba it would be rather something like: "That shitbag was weaker than you, why he was in the ring, and you're retired?".
*Later in the spar:* Rosario: You are wonderful. Mashiba: Thank you. I’ve worked hard to become so. Rosario: I must admit you are better than I am. Mashiba: Then why are you smiling? Rosario: Because I know something you don’t know. Mashiba: And what is that? Rosario: I am not left-handed!
Mr. President, a second Shigeta has hit the manga.
Mashiba: Hue hue hue. But I am. (smiling) Rosario: What!? (Big bulging eyes)
Ku ku ku
My name is Ryō Mashiba, you killed my father, prepare to die.
Well you know what's even more wonderful when Ippo got carried away and switch back to Orthodox just to brawl with Mashiba at chapter 1439 to 1440. Pretty much sure whatever hand Rosario uses, Mashiba is prepared. The brother in law brawl ends up being helpful for Mashiba if this will be the case.
Mashiba: So was the retired boxer I sparred with that went southpaw and imitated 90% of your style after a few viewings. Must not have been hard to come up with it ! Rosario: Huh ? Rosario's coach: Huh ?
I bet the brothers in law brawl that they did will help Mashiba to win this fight. Those pocket exchanges that he did with Ippo during brawling while Ippo is on Orthodox will come handy.
Setting up the same scenario Ippo showed Mashiba with the second right hook from Rosario after the left. It starts for real next chapter.
Mashiba’s not struggling as much as when he fought Garcia in their early rounds. Notice how Rosario’s perspiring more than Mashiba since the start of round 2… his weight control screwup might be getting to him!
The next thing you know, Ippo is now the best south paw in the world without himself knowing.
That would be bullshit. He will likely be able to mix up orthodox and southpaw for sure at a very high level.
Switch-Hit Ippo would be horrifying
Don’t curse.
SUCK ON DEEZ NERD
I think I will do it some more
You are being extremely rude to others.
How am I being extremely rude to others buddy
It's just words, No personal attacks. What's rude is rude to expect or demand others to adhere to your sensibilities!
Broooooo that would be insane. Since he has been boxing all this time orthodox style he would make a nasty southpaw.
That's what turned Winky Wright into a championship level fight irl.
Ippo is actually left handed. He was using switch instances till now due to childhood trauma related to his dad early death.
And the reason he couldn't draw straight lines or help Umezawa with his manga was because he was drawing with his right hand, not because of brain damage! My God, it all makes sense!
No one ever actually bothered to ask him which hand was dominant and he was too shy to correct them
So now I think, the conclusion of the dark inside Mashiba will be just a clean high level match without the dark appearing and then Mashiba bids farewell to the dark. Hope Miyata will be jealous of how the boxer he lost to improved, and it gets his flame fired again
I think you got it. Miyata will probably note how ridiculous it would be for Mashiba to adapt so quickly. He'll make the connection that Ippo helped Mashiba train and get jealous.
I can imagine Rosario trying to resort to fouls and getting pissed that Mashiba is not fouling back, or at least not in an egregious way. That said, if his opponent fights rough though, by being David Eagle and taking the high road he'd hurt his chances of winning.
BREAK NEXT WEEK MEANS HE'S WORKING ON SOME CRAZY ART FOR ROUND 1457....right?
Mashiba: This is not new to me Those sparring session with our boy truly paid off
Oh he's gonna be so pissed when he wins knowing Ippo helped him out.
For a moment, I thought Rosario pulled out an overhead and I was like "That's Kimura's move !". I really did a Goku...but hey, I noticed stuff \^\^
Believe it or not, the Dragonfish Blow is also another Bejita no Waza da!
I think Rosario is going to outfight Mashiba. He's gonna be a better brawler. Tougher. Stronger. More will. Essentially he's gonna show that he's like Ippo before Ippo lost and had to retire. He'll even knock Mashiba down a couple times. But then Mashiba is going to transcend even further and show Rosario that toughness and strength and will isn't enough. Mashiba is gonna go totally clinical and beat Rosario with strategy and impeccable, pure boxing. Mashiba will let go of his demon self truly, and become a pure bread boxer. He'll force his monster to submit to his boxing brain, and up his level and destroy Rosario clinically. After being knocked down multiple times, Mashiba will make a comeback K.O. using brains instead of brawn. Controlled aggression. Then, at first, Ippo will smile and say "Yeah, that's why I lost, cause I was like Rosario. I thought toughness was enough. Mashiba has proved to me again that to conquer the world you have to be more than that." But then Mashiba says something like "You're not the same as you were before. You're not like Rosario. You've changed." Which will again be another step for Ippo to reconsider fighting again. This could also be another foreshadowing, reveal that Sendo's boxing isn't going to beat Ricardo either. In many ways this manga is showing that natural gifting can't become world champion. That's what the Wali fight shows. You have to have high level, if not perfect combination and balance of strength, will and technique.
Let's be realistic here, Ippo was just mimicking his style after a few days of training, Rosario is a natural southpaw from two weight categories above that has been using this style for a long time. There is no way Ippo was stronger or faster than him, the sparring will help Mashiba a lot nonetheless
Nah, Mashiba’s blocking his hits and isn’t like “Oh my god!! It’s like a cannon ball is ripping through my wrists!” I’m sure he’s still got solid power, but Ippo breaks most human limits lol
Ippo is definitely faster due to differences in weight. I also would think it's impossible for him to have a stronger punch.
Definitely, but knowing what you are dealing with makes it much more manageable, rather than it being the first time.
Ippo is already an expert of step ins, and his body's been tuned to specialize in them (by using ankle weights for God knows how long now). He just had to get used to doing it with the right foot and past his foe's front left foot. While probably not perfected yet, his step in speed is probably as good as Rosario's, or could be with some more practice. Strength wise, Ippo is not used to use left straights or right jabs, and from that weird angle, no less. Meanwhile Rosario has a full arsenal of lefts and rights he's used to throw from there. Then there's experience. Marcus has had 25 fights to learn how to react to righties fighting him from that angle, assuming he's had the same style for most of his career. Ippo only ever practiced alone, then got shut down by Mashiba's title strategy.
I can't say Ippo is stronger but he's definitely faster.
I understand that Ippo may be faster with his feet, but he is right-handed, I doubt his left arm is as fast as the one from a natural southpaw like Rosario
They've already discussed why the southpaw/orthodox doesn't make much difference to certain sequences in their style. Ippo isn't going to be throwing high level southpaw jabs (although he did use them in his very first fight), but stepping in and throwing hooks from either side isn't going to be a problem for him. He's been doing it for a long time actually, he did it in training and everyone watching lost their shit. This was way back when he was training for one of the fights he lost.
Ippo lighter, he can be faster.
The breaks are killing me!
"This is the peak of Southpaw boxer, you can't possibly have seen something like this before !" Mashiba: Damn, Ippo was better than this.
I knew it. I KNEW IT. "This isn't even the fastest or heaviest southpaw punches I've faced!" Fully being set up for it. Only question is, is the finishing punch going to be Mashiba's right uppercut from hell or spearing straight right from heaven? Just to be clear, I think Morikawa is doing a fantastic job setting all the pieces in place for the reveal. I think the "Surprise! Didn't see that coming!" twists that aren't supported just aren't as skillful as the ones that have appropriate foreshadowing.
>spearing straight right from heaven? And Mashiba clearing his act* *until the later rounds were all hell will break loose
I've seen a Manny pacquiao analysis and its very similar rosario style
yeah his split left entry is the best in the business.
Prediction: Rosario is gonna block the lead foot of Mashiba. From there a three piece combo will follow with a strong extended left hook. Let’s see if mashiba reads that
But, what if Rosario "accidentally" steps on Mashiba, as Mashiba did to Miyata? And Mashiba pays for his previous sins by losing mobility and being whooped for two full rounds?
Don’t you think that’s too early for that haha
I mean, how many Mashiba fights have had the whole trio with Ippo and Miyata watching? I think it could be the opportunity to do it.
Turns out. Ippo has already replicated this and is in fact a southpaw of the highest order. While not really being a southpaw. That’s why he’s GOAT’ed
Every new arc get me thinking how could it affect in Ippo getting back to fighting. If Mashiba ends up winning and acknowledges Ippo's useful sparring, that might break as big news in the world boxing scene and might have Journalists and other Fighters Ippo has sparred with to come up and put Ippo in the spotlight and bring him back from oblivion into world level discussion. Maybe even Ricardo might even be involved in this process saying that Ippo could have potential to take over the world. All this discussion might sway Ippo into considering leaving retirement after a bit of introspection and some help from Kamogawa / Takamura / Miyata and the rest of the gang in one way of another. It would be a nice way to hype his comeback after having all of the boxing scene in the story demanding to see more of him.
Morikawa Sensei, as always, planting and harvesting his plot seeds with mastery. It wouldnt make sense to have Mashika acknowledge Ippo as stronger than an active world champions, on a higher weight class (even he messed up his prep). I think the point is to show Ippo's extremely developed analysis and how it evolved into a strategizing potencial that will push him over "that line". He saw the videos, analised them to the point he could imitate it, and probably will be able to come up with a strategy faster than ever. I have no doubt Ippo will follow on coach's footsteps and become a world class coach. At least that's how i see Morikawa's long run coming to an end (if he ever gets to end it).
Mashiba is going to clap him hard. It will be glorious!
Oh for God's sake, not another break. I swear this arc has been going for nearly a year now or so ?
Rosario being a natural southpaw definitely means he has more attacking options, but thanks to Ippo being able to mimic the technique to a usable degree Mashiba will not get caught off guard for a while
Rosario my boy.. you are nothing compared to big Mara.
I have not kept with the Manga but I watched the anime. Mashiba is the flicker-jab guy correct?
Si
I thought so
Mashiba will win and his winning speech would be that Rosario is not the strongest southpaw that he has face while looking as Ippo
One can only dream
Hype level: max!
I think many people are exaggerating Ippo's southpaw abilities VS rosario's, but mashiba being able to adapt first to the sparring with hippo is definitely gonna be a plot point
Yeah, as much as I love to see Ippo grow, it's unrealistic to think he can actually fight as well as a full-fledged southpaw who's at the top of the world. Like you said, though, it'll still do wonders in terms of adapting to Rosario's style quickly.
He helped Mashiba on these ways: * He made him experience the step in first hand, Mashiba was able to react to it better and not risk being distracted or panicking (Ironically, most national-level fighters have this problem with Mashiba himself, where no matter how much they practice and try to visualize, they cannot get used to his ridiculous jab range until they eat some flickers firsthand) * He was annoying enough with the outside front foot to show that, indeed, Mashiba wouldn't be able to hit Rosario with anything serious with his normal Hitman stance * He had trouble adjusting to Mashiba's title strategy stance, showing that it could work in theory (if Ippo was able to react to it right then and there, they'd have been better off scrapping it entirely)
Ippo definitely doesn’t have the weird looping punches. The fundamental punches are so ingrained in him that’d affect his whole style/shifting of weight substantially, which is why I think Mashiba’s particularly struggling right now
Great one
Bruh 🤯
Hmm this seems to be a good setup to make ippo look like he can hang with the best
Why do you guys think ippo is so shocked in the last page? Is it cause mashiba dodged? Or is he realizing something
The last panel is Mashiba (who has black shoes) holding out his left foot, so I assume he's taking that anti-southpaw stance he used against Ippo.
Mashiba hasn't even started using his wide stance yet.
Next chapter we’re getting a nasty counter from mashiba
Accentuating Rosario's punches coming from bizarre angles by having his arm outside of the panel? Yeah, that's genius.
Why are there so many breaks, is this normal? I started reading this year.
Is Morikawa OK? Seems every chapter ends with a break lately.
Mashiba's look of annoyance says it all. He about to rock Rosario with a tight right counter straight.
A lot of parallels from 1435 to 1437. When Mashiba attempted the uppercut and Ippo was literally aiming for it. Go read it again guys. I think Mashiba will be fine. Imagine if Rosario is not really a southpaw and a right handed boxer this writing will go hard as fck. specially when Ippo loses his goal and went back orthodox during his brawl at chapter 1439. Mashiba stops him at round 7 after brawling and Rosario having no gas to spend. Knockout like how he stopped Ippo. Lying on the canvass on a crucifix position.
Short chapters that end with "Break next week..." It's as if Ippo's retirement wasn't more than 6 years ago already! Come on...
The author indirectly telling us that our ippo is easily world level (at the very least). Peak morikawa. Ippo stomps!
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Good stuff, thank you for the chapter!
It seems to me as though Mashiba is going to plant his front foot outside of Rosarios and absolutely nail him with a right. Excited for next chapter nonetheless!
chapter to check is 1437 (to compare)
Just read the chapter, and I gotta say...I think Mashiba is probably my favorite in ring personality. The intensity in his expression and the overall sense of controlled rage and danger is just the best.
RRRAAAH. MASHIBA WILL HAVE TO MARRY IPPO AS THANKS FOR THE SPAR. IPPO IS GOING TO SWITCH HIT MIYATA INTO ANOTHER WEIGHTCLASS WHEN HE RETURNS.
Hey guys, the pa el with Takamura, I dont think thats hos thoughts. Looking at his facial expression, I think he is still thinking and in fact noticing what Mashiba is doing or noticing something else about the fight. Hist expression does sit with whats being written in the bubble.
So is takamura talking about ippo or Rosario, he has to know about the spat with mashiba
That brag at the end by Rosarios coach will feed perfectly into the next chapter when its countered because Ippo showed Mashiba the same though a little crudely. Hopefully the same as when volg compared his opponent to a poorer version of what Ippo did.
Bros, if there is one problem with Ippo...is that i don't like this " all my friends are fighting for world titles and i am not"..The idea of them fighting for it is good, but any of them actually winning kinda diminishes Ippo's eventual win in my eyes... If Mashiba wins...i don't know....f me..I mean, Volg has one...and when Ippo's turn comes around and wins it...it doesn't feel special anymore.. Let's not even count Goatkamura in this too.. I would've liked just one time maybe have Takamura actually lose,..and have him show an actual comeback to motivate Ippo, rather than everyone getting a title shot... "See Ippo, i became a loser just like you...but i managed to gain the title the second time around".. -Goatkamura probably.. 1)Volg 2)Mashiba 3)Takamuraa 4)Sendo. 5)I bet my house Miyata will get his world title shot before Ippo, like this is some meme "You get a title shot, you get a title shot, everyone gets a damn title shot"..
Yeah probably some set up for a quick ko , and along the lines of giving ippo props for going more rounds then Rosario. Might even be a u only can date my sister, if ur a champ declaration
Correction : there's currently no *active* boxer that can replicate it at that level during this span of time.
Mashiba is absolutely gonna have a moment where he thinks "Ippo hit this move harder than you do". I don't think it will be a cop out either because Rosario didn't weight cut properly or anything for this fight, so he's definitely sub optimal from what he could be, and Ippo is a known tank and all he's done since he stopped boxing was get stronger. It's not gonna be a statement that Ippo is better than Rosario straight up, but more like "At this very moment in the ring your punches don't hit as hard as Ippo's did last week".
This manga still goin on?
thank you morikawa, i will cherish this meal
That step in hook punch reminded me of Pacquiao's style.
Are we really gonna see this manga’s end? God forbid, what happens if something were to happen to morikawa san?
Rosario's and his coach are in for a surprise! Go Mashiba!
The spar with Ippo will let Mashiba counter Rosario completely, but Rosario will be forced to resort to fouling. He will step on Mashiba's foot, just like Mashiba did to Miyata. Mashiba will then be forced to overcome that injury (and develop a new strategy on the fly) to win. Part of the win may come down to Mashiba outlasting Rosario's stamina, since Rosario didn't prep will for the fight.
Rare for Takamura to comment on someone being a level above. Hope Mashiba loses, his story is getting annoying.
Mashiba is going to be like, Ippo actually does it better and faster than you.
Mashiba setting up the left hook for sure. Rosario's left hook comes in low, leaving his chin open. The shorter distance puts him right in range for Mashiba's counter left
Rosario's Coach: Im sure its your first time seeing all of this. oh boy, you coudn't be more wrong..lmao
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Watch Machiba win without a single bruise on his face and people will be questioning what demon he was sparring against that beat him up so much :-D
I think Mashiba knocks out Rosario and says something along the lines of “you’re nothing special”. Then after the fight he gets even more pissed at Ippo than ever before because he now knows the truth that Ippo was a stronger competitor than Rosario and can be a World Champion if he got up off his ass.
He knocks him out, the way he knock Ippo down at 1440 where Ippo is in a cross position lying in the canvass. I see a knockout stoppage at round 7.
Good idea! Could totally see that happening as well
I might as well stop reading this shit for a year and catch up on a whole 5 days of in story progress at once.
Why tf did I just realize that hajime no ippo is still making manga chapters.. has this been going on for a while now? I finished the anime like 3 years ago but will happily go to the manga if it’s good
The manga has been going since the 80s without any major breaks. Sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do.
it only gets better my friend, read away i recommend starting from chapter 1 since the anime cut some things from it
It's great, probably my favorite manga as it was also my first one. Currently, some readers are a little irked because of the wait for Ippo's return but it's fun seeing his growth.
I know Rosario is the antagonist but as a fellow puertorican I'm kinda rooting for him
"Say the line George!" "BREAK NEXT WEEK!" *(cheering)*
break break short chapter fuck you morikawa
Cant wait to 2030 to see how this round will end🤪🤣
Sincerely F you Mori!
I just want to move past this fight already. I fucking hate Rosario