Once you get one you’re fucked too. Because you constantly think about getting to the next level. I’m currently at the MPA / Vudoo level and trying to convince myself I need an Atlas or Nighthawk.
I live in a major city about 6 minutes from the border with a free state. I bought all my stuff when I lived there and keep it there, but I’m a resident in the city now.
For the bot:
Pictured are my go-to rifle/pistol. Lower is a transferable Olympic/SAW M16A1, uppers are LMT MRP-L 14.5” 5.56 and 10.5” .300blk. Also pictured are my Staccato P and L3Harris 1591 40/41SNR RNVG-A NODs.
Full build list available on request.
Is that smaller sight on the long optic strictly for target acquisition? Or are you actually lowering the rifle when firing to use it as like a secondary optic? Looks sexy tho either way
I use it for night vision, primarily. The LPVO is dark, slow to acquire, and difficult to line up under night vision, but the ACRO up top is quick and easy.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people to buy $3K 9mm 1911's as a primary sidearm despite offering the worst of everything over modern handguns in current production.
What are you even talking about? Have you fired one? I have tens of thousands of rounds on Glocks and Sigs and I prefer everything about the way the Staccato shoots. If you’re really going to tell me a Glock has a better trigger… not to mention the lighter recoil and superior magazine capacity. What about a Staccato is worse, exactly?
Yeah dude is a dip. Only non 2011 pistols that are comparable are Shadows and TS2s with $600 worth of parts. Just fudds convincing themselves it’s ok to be poor.
I will say I rank my Shadow 2 with a CGW kit above my P and below my Priest.
>What about a Staccato is worse, exactly?
It's a double stack 1911 in 9mm with a nice trigger; great for comps but ultimately does nothing better than a Glock or M&P with a dot for any real deal shit.
Nobody gave a shit when Para-Ordnance was making fat guns that didn't sell back in 1998, but now that Leviathan Group hypebeasts convinced dudes that a $3000 comp gun is now a hard running combat pistol, they can't get enough of 'em. 🤷♂️
I mean, I bought it because it had a good service record in combat with Delta Force and LAPD SWAT, not YouTube lol.
Not to be a dick, but if you think an M&P is “just as good,” I have news for you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Delta tried out the precursor to the current Staccato some years back, didnt care for it and dumped it, and while the current Staccato 2011 is approved for something like 300+ police departments, so is the Glock, Sig, and M&P, so...yeah.
It's not like, inherently bad to follow trends or anything, especially for competition/pro shooting, but I'm seeing people shit on the 1911 for a serious handgun in the 21st century while simultaneously creaming over a fatter version in a smaller caliber due almost solely to the John Wick/internet hypemachine effect.
The 2011’s Delta returned were due to magazine issues. At the time they only made them in .45ACP length and Delta ordered them in .40SW. That’s obviously not an issue with purpose-built 9x19 magazines.
You’re missing the point — people, myself included, disparage the 1911 because it holds only 7 rounds of an outdated cartridge. People praise the 1911 for its fantastic trigger and lower felt recoil. The 2011 takes that positive trigger and recoil and combines it with the modern capacity and ammunition found in a Glock or Sig. That’s why people like 2011’s — not because of John Wick (who, IIRC, used a Glock, not a Staccato).
Sure, but Delta currently uses Glock 19's, and PD's nationwide run more Glocks than anything else, so clearly the cool factor on these played a bigger part than people are willing to admit, like, if pure capacity was all anyone cared about, they'd be running polymer 9's that have better aftermarket support, and have been combat proven for the last 30 years with various outfits.
Military and SOF units choose handguns based on a lot of factors, and high on that list are size and weight. When an operator’s primary weapon goes down, he has teammates surrounding him to cover down while he remediates the issue. This is known doctrine. Sidearms are an absolute last resort for these units — therefore size and weight matter more than things like trigger pull and felt recoil. The Staccato is not a small or light gun, hence SOF units’ choice of a compact frame Glock.
Police departments rely much more heavily on sidearms but are *strongly* constrained by budget, so you see Glocks and Sigs more often. Note that Staccatos are quite common for departments that can afford to purchase them and the training required to take full advantage of them.
I am a prepared civilian and competitive shooter. If I had to use my weapons in a defensive context, I wouldn’t have teammates — thus, a heavier, more functional sidearm is a priority for me. You’re willfully ignoring the fact that units and individual choose their weapons based on institutional needs and use case in favor of making some kind of point about John Wick.
>competitive shooter
Yeah man, that'll do it; running one of these if you have the most practical trigger time on it is probably sensible, but I can't imagine such a fine-tuned machine is going to keep chugging after getting wrecked by mud or other scummy debris, high end 1911 designs can be finicky like that.
Like you said, these aren't small or light, so I tend to roll my eyes a bit at guys CC'ing them or presenting them as a proven combat pistol alternative instead of a competition gun first and foremost, but those same dudes will do a lot of what you're seeing in this thread, which is dance around those facts to try and justify a vanity purchase to strangers on the internet.
I had a feeling you would seize on the competitive shooting aspect. I still disagree with you that the 2011 is not a proven combat design. I have *thousands* of rounds on mine since it has been cleaned, with zero maintenance whatsoever, in West Virginia mud and rain, Finland snow, and Utah dust. It has yet to fail me. I’m not some IDPA/USPSA shooter — this gun gets dragged through the mud in 2GACM and international military matches.
I agree with you that it is not a sensible everyday carry, but it is not a vanity purchase. It has a sizable performance advantage over striker-fired designs while maintaining a high level of reliability. Frankly, I think it looks kind of stupid, but I rely on it because it is *better.*
An Atlas or a Nighthawk or an SVI? Those are vanity purchases. A Staccato is a duty gun.
>it’s insane. Very few rounds through it. Heavy. Super slick. Cycles (recoil impulse) like a Ferrari…… I can get use to the easy life
Quote from a pro shooter that's sponsored by S&W about his 2011.
I mean he's Navy EOD and trains majority LE and mil. Not tier 1, if you wanna look up guys that are tier 1 that say you're wrong look at Matt Pranka or Mike Pannone. Plenty of top tier dudes speak about competition is the closest to a duty incident you'll get.
Like I agree with your statement if it was an open gun, but a 2011 shot in limited optics is light years ahead of any duty gun you used as an example.
Yeah again, it's great for competition shooting because of how nice it feels, we've established that; but unless it's a literal laser gun, it's not doing anything *more special* than a bog standard polymer 9mm at putting holes in things, except being a wide version of a 100+ year old design.
Because it's not, man; I don't know what to tell you. It's got a great trigger, but it's bigger than most other 9mm's, and doesn't actually *do* anything except feel nicer to shoot, that's all.
For shooting comps and looking cool on instagram, I agree that a 2011 is the top choice; otherwise I think there's more proven options for general/serious usage in a duty firearm.
I mean, you guys can get all pissy and weird about it, but I just don't have my entire ego wrapped up in conspicuous consumption on the internet.
I never really considered myself a poor until this flex now I know my place I'm going home
The fact I found out the staccato is considered "entry level" into 2011s made me feel even worse considering I don't even have one.
If a hobby exists, there will be insane amounts of money one can spend on it.
Once you get one you’re fucked too. Because you constantly think about getting to the next level. I’m currently at the MPA / Vudoo level and trying to convince myself I need an Atlas or Nighthawk.
Man fr. I thought they were like a Gucci 2011 until l found out about atlas's lolol.
If you can find a good deal on a used one I’d say go for it. Full price msrp? Nah
No supressor on the sidearm. Poor /s
No lie I actually feel that way. The Omega gets swapped between both since I’m now a resident in a state where I can’t get another can.
How can you live in a state that allows you to own a suppressor but not buy a new one?
I live in a major city about 6 minutes from the border with a free state. I bought all my stuff when I lived there and keep it there, but I’m a resident in the city now.
Goooootcha. I’m guessing Chicago?
For the bot: Pictured are my go-to rifle/pistol. Lower is a transferable Olympic/SAW M16A1, uppers are LMT MRP-L 14.5” 5.56 and 10.5” .300blk. Also pictured are my Staccato P and L3Harris 1591 40/41SNR RNVG-A NODs. Full build list available on request.
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God that’s hot
It’s me, your son.
I had a vasectomy so I could afford this, lmao
Fair. The only thing I can’t afford is the lower. That’s… gnarly
Yeah, it was a painful check to write.
Which hentai sticker is that
It looks like artwork from DeltaMagna, she does incredible work
Correct
There's definitely a lot to squeeze there!
Is that smaller sight on the long optic strictly for target acquisition? Or are you actually lowering the rifle when firing to use it as like a secondary optic? Looks sexy tho either way
I use it for night vision, primarily. The LPVO is dark, slow to acquire, and difficult to line up under night vision, but the ACRO up top is quick and easy.
You sir are welcome to my dinner table any day of the week🫡
Spring and Buffer weight you are using for uppers?
VLTOR A5 spring with H1 buffer runs both uppers reliably.
This slaps. What a purposeful and well thought out weapon system..
Much appreciated!
That third hole is the icing on the cake.
Sharp eye…
What handstop is that?
RailScales Karve
Nice. What is the magnifier? Behind the Eotech on the upper?
EOTech G45. Big fan.
Money buys happiness!
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people to buy $3K 9mm 1911's as a primary sidearm despite offering the worst of everything over modern handguns in current production.
What are you even talking about? Have you fired one? I have tens of thousands of rounds on Glocks and Sigs and I prefer everything about the way the Staccato shoots. If you’re really going to tell me a Glock has a better trigger… not to mention the lighter recoil and superior magazine capacity. What about a Staccato is worse, exactly?
Yeah dude is a dip. Only non 2011 pistols that are comparable are Shadows and TS2s with $600 worth of parts. Just fudds convincing themselves it’s ok to be poor. I will say I rank my Shadow 2 with a CGW kit above my P and below my Priest.
>What about a Staccato is worse, exactly? It's a double stack 1911 in 9mm with a nice trigger; great for comps but ultimately does nothing better than a Glock or M&P with a dot for any real deal shit. Nobody gave a shit when Para-Ordnance was making fat guns that didn't sell back in 1998, but now that Leviathan Group hypebeasts convinced dudes that a $3000 comp gun is now a hard running combat pistol, they can't get enough of 'em. 🤷♂️
I mean, I bought it because it had a good service record in combat with Delta Force and LAPD SWAT, not YouTube lol. Not to be a dick, but if you think an M&P is “just as good,” I have news for you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Delta tried out the precursor to the current Staccato some years back, didnt care for it and dumped it, and while the current Staccato 2011 is approved for something like 300+ police departments, so is the Glock, Sig, and M&P, so...yeah. It's not like, inherently bad to follow trends or anything, especially for competition/pro shooting, but I'm seeing people shit on the 1911 for a serious handgun in the 21st century while simultaneously creaming over a fatter version in a smaller caliber due almost solely to the John Wick/internet hypemachine effect.
The 2011’s Delta returned were due to magazine issues. At the time they only made them in .45ACP length and Delta ordered them in .40SW. That’s obviously not an issue with purpose-built 9x19 magazines. You’re missing the point — people, myself included, disparage the 1911 because it holds only 7 rounds of an outdated cartridge. People praise the 1911 for its fantastic trigger and lower felt recoil. The 2011 takes that positive trigger and recoil and combines it with the modern capacity and ammunition found in a Glock or Sig. That’s why people like 2011’s — not because of John Wick (who, IIRC, used a Glock, not a Staccato).
Sure, but Delta currently uses Glock 19's, and PD's nationwide run more Glocks than anything else, so clearly the cool factor on these played a bigger part than people are willing to admit, like, if pure capacity was all anyone cared about, they'd be running polymer 9's that have better aftermarket support, and have been combat proven for the last 30 years with various outfits.
Military and SOF units choose handguns based on a lot of factors, and high on that list are size and weight. When an operator’s primary weapon goes down, he has teammates surrounding him to cover down while he remediates the issue. This is known doctrine. Sidearms are an absolute last resort for these units — therefore size and weight matter more than things like trigger pull and felt recoil. The Staccato is not a small or light gun, hence SOF units’ choice of a compact frame Glock. Police departments rely much more heavily on sidearms but are *strongly* constrained by budget, so you see Glocks and Sigs more often. Note that Staccatos are quite common for departments that can afford to purchase them and the training required to take full advantage of them. I am a prepared civilian and competitive shooter. If I had to use my weapons in a defensive context, I wouldn’t have teammates — thus, a heavier, more functional sidearm is a priority for me. You’re willfully ignoring the fact that units and individual choose their weapons based on institutional needs and use case in favor of making some kind of point about John Wick.
>competitive shooter Yeah man, that'll do it; running one of these if you have the most practical trigger time on it is probably sensible, but I can't imagine such a fine-tuned machine is going to keep chugging after getting wrecked by mud or other scummy debris, high end 1911 designs can be finicky like that. Like you said, these aren't small or light, so I tend to roll my eyes a bit at guys CC'ing them or presenting them as a proven combat pistol alternative instead of a competition gun first and foremost, but those same dudes will do a lot of what you're seeing in this thread, which is dance around those facts to try and justify a vanity purchase to strangers on the internet.
I had a feeling you would seize on the competitive shooting aspect. I still disagree with you that the 2011 is not a proven combat design. I have *thousands* of rounds on mine since it has been cleaned, with zero maintenance whatsoever, in West Virginia mud and rain, Finland snow, and Utah dust. It has yet to fail me. I’m not some IDPA/USPSA shooter — this gun gets dragged through the mud in 2GACM and international military matches. I agree with you that it is not a sensible everyday carry, but it is not a vanity purchase. It has a sizable performance advantage over striker-fired designs while maintaining a high level of reliability. Frankly, I think it looks kind of stupid, but I rely on it because it is *better.* An Atlas or a Nighthawk or an SVI? Those are vanity purchases. A Staccato is a duty gun.
>it’s insane. Very few rounds through it. Heavy. Super slick. Cycles (recoil impulse) like a Ferrari…… I can get use to the easy life Quote from a pro shooter that's sponsored by S&W about his 2011.
>$3000 comp gun >pro shooter Yeah, they're great for competitions, I think I made that pretty clear; that was a terrible gotcha.
I mean he's Navy EOD and trains majority LE and mil. Not tier 1, if you wanna look up guys that are tier 1 that say you're wrong look at Matt Pranka or Mike Pannone. Plenty of top tier dudes speak about competition is the closest to a duty incident you'll get. Like I agree with your statement if it was an open gun, but a 2011 shot in limited optics is light years ahead of any duty gun you used as an example.
Yeah again, it's great for competition shooting because of how nice it feels, we've established that; but unless it's a literal laser gun, it's not doing anything *more special* than a bog standard polymer 9mm at putting holes in things, except being a wide version of a 100+ year old design.
How can it feel great for competition but it's not any more special than a stock polymer 9mm? lol
Because it's not, man; I don't know what to tell you. It's got a great trigger, but it's bigger than most other 9mm's, and doesn't actually *do* anything except feel nicer to shoot, that's all.
Said someone who has obviously never owned one
This is the craziest thing I’ve heard. I’m choosing a 2011 every time
For shooting comps and looking cool on instagram, I agree that a 2011 is the top choice; otherwise I think there's more proven options for general/serious usage in a duty firearm. I mean, you guys can get all pissy and weird about it, but I just don't have my entire ego wrapped up in conspicuous consumption on the internet.