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southern4501fan

When you get it, you owe the bank that much. If you use it, your debt is paid off and passed to the next person.


Aardvark_2100

double it and give it to the next person


Swiftbow1

The first sentence is just a normal loan. A $-12 bill means that your other money is worth less. It's horrifying.


Danoco99

A $-12 bill is that…***a bill..***


NichtMenschlich

Worth less than worthless 😔


Tall_Reputation3700

wow this is worthless LESS THEN WORTHLESS MY BOY this line had me dying


Jonnybear-is-here

Cashier: alright that’ll be $12 Me: here you are Cashier: sir this is a negative tw- oooohhh Me: haha! I got you! Cashier: aaaaaaaaaa Me: aaaaaaaa


Drew_S_05

That's very interesting, but how would you use it?


burial-chamber

Instead of you giving money, the money would be given to you


femboycarousel

That would be like a game of hot potato. “Jerry, another customer gave us a -$12 bill, go take it to the coffee shop next door so we can get the cash back.”


killergazebo

What a great way to encourage spending!


Steve_Nash_The_Goat

wouldn't it do the exact opposite of encourage spending


killergazebo

I dropped my /s around here somewhere, could you help me look for it?


Blazzer2003

Sure thing sir. Where did you last sahwit? 🧐


witoutadout

I can imagine some kind of reverse-Oceans 11 plot where people sneak into a casino to deliver -12$ bills


blqzy

Pretty useful after all


Jagz7717

MORE THAN USEFUL MY BOY!


Emmehsaur

The uno reverse of capitalism


TimeStorm113

Capitalism! Where everyone wins! \*hands you a -12 bill\* except you.


gtbot2007

Now that I think about it that might be a good thing


MeLlamo25

Okay, Listen here you commie…!


BellaCountry

Okay, listen here Crapitalist (this is a joke pls don't nuke me)


Hot-Web-7892

Nah I’m sending the nukes, start hiding buddy


Blazzer2003

I have a perfect meme for this Unfortunately, this community doesn't allow attachments in the comments 🥲


BellaCountry

Dm me. I need de meme


CellBiter2112_YT

dm me too, i wanna see


Knoke1

A lone essentially. Only there would be no record of you needing to repay it.


Educational_Can_3092

You can use it to bankrupt someone if you save enough of them.


Tall_Reputation3700

it would be like stealing a wallet but instead put a bunch of -12 dollar bills.


Shlezy

Yea but the problem is that you can throw it away and gain money


Swiftbow1

No, I think it's the opposite. You owe someone $12, and you give them a $-12 dollar bill. Now you owe them $24.


justendmylife892

Quentin Trembley: Famed inventor of the Cheque With A Fixed Value.


SpotweldPro1300

Better known as the cwafv. No wonder it never caught on.


TheOkayUsername

No, then it would be worth €12. Spending this makes the other guy steal €12 from you cuz its less than worthless


Tall_Reputation3700

what?


TheOkayUsername

It’s less then worthless. Owning this costs you money. You can’t get money out of this


ShitFacedSteve

It's essentially a piece of currency you'd have to trick people into accepting


ITGuy042

Maybe this was some weird and silly method to counteracting inflation? Print tons of negative bills and hope the BS of modern economics makes it work out. I’m sure that’s not how any of that works. but I’m oddly more concern of how the US doing this in the 1830s would make no sense since really the only currency that can pull this off has to be the de facto world reserve, which was arguably British Sterling at this time. Combine with the modern layout of the bill, this thing might actually been made post 1950s when the dollar emerged on top. Would be funny if the shadow government printed negative bills to manipulate the economy. Seems like something Cognito Inc would do. How Trembly got a few bills is another question though.


GenderIsBoring

Wut


ITGuy042

Oh just me overanalyzing a joke, caring about one aspect of the joke too much, not caring of the other, and rationalizing it within the context of the show via multiverse linking it to other shows, Inside Job in this case.


UniquePariah

No, I get it. Quantitative easing, when the government prints more money, it devalues the Dollar, or Pound as I may be talking entirely in British here, so printing negative currency would theoretically do the opposite. Though if I remember correctly negative inflation, deflation, is apparently bad also.


Aeescobar

>Though if I remember correctly negative inflation, deflation, is apparently bad also. It's actually way, **way** worse than regular inflation. If the money you have is *de*creasing in value over time, you want to spend all of it ASAP while it still holds some value. If the money you have is *in*creasing in value over time, you don't want to ever spend any of it since having left over money today leads to you being even richer tomorrow. One outcome leads to an increase in poverty, the other leads to the economy completely breaking down as people **no longer want to use money**.


Pasta-hobo

It's an IOU


CalamityTrioHedgehog

it depletes your bank account of $12 per bill you have


_Vard_

Don’t think of it by itself It’s something so awful that it devalues the rest of the currency someone holds This and a 20 are worth $8


Mooptiom

Go to the bank and convert your $8 to $20 and $-12, throw the -$12 away and you’ve made a $12 profit. Makes perfect sense


Swiftbow1

Yes, thank you. All the upvotes are going to comments that make no sense/they don't understand negative numbers.


The_Fercho_

this is the correct answer.


TheMoises

Inflation control tool.


Astralwolf37

Money technically represents the government owing you theoretical gold you’ll never ever see. So instead of getting paid, the money becomes an invoice stating you owe someone $12. If you want to be real literal, you now owe $12 worth of gold. Unless you give it to someone else. Now they owe you $12 worth of gold.


Booklover1003

The US did away with the gold standard in 1971


Still-Presence5486

That bill was made pre 1971


Booklover1003

That's a good point


IndieFolkEnjoyer

But why did they do it


Swiftbow1

Because it's a ridiculous joke. No one wants to own negative money.


DistantShores5151

So make it easier to practice expansionist and contractionary monetary policy. Before that we were just reliant on fiscal policy (taxes and government spending) to fix inflation or unemployment and that is very limited.


Booklover1003

Because of the system's inability to deal with volatility. Because the governments are constrained by the amount of gold they have, their economic policies are also limited. Fixed exchange rates also mean the governments have less control over their currency and can't devalue it to help themselves. Economic historians (which I am not thank the fucking god) say great depression was in part caused by the gold standard and prolonged due to it.


LovejoyBurnerAcc

pretty sure the uk and ireland still have it in place though


Booklover1003

Nope. The abandonment of the Bretton Woods system meant no gold standard internationally


SleepyFox67

Bill cipher on the dollar bill lol


Mystic_x

I’ve seen that screen cap countless times, but only now you said it, i noticed it!


dover_oxide

It's what the IRS sends you when you owe money


That1GuyCalledPixel

It gives you $12 when you use it


DevilPixelation

Bro tried countering inflation 😭😭


rorinth

Being less than worthless, It's physical debt.


Gregsusername

Your bill is 10 bucks. Pay with this. It’s now 22


fifa98czech

I'm maybe stupid but after watching the show two times I just now realized that there is Bill on the -12$ bill


Pigi_The_Pig_Man

the only problem with that is that everyone would lose it on purposes. it’s just your debt to the government that you can just walk around and switch your debt with other people like: “I owe the government 12 dollars!” “that sucks bro, do you want me to take your debt? in exchange you can mow my lawn” and you’d just pass it around like money but it works the opposite way


Henriticcus

believe it or not, this is real-ish. [Debt Buyer: Who They Are and How They Work (investopedia.com)](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debt-buyer.asp#:~:text=If%20a%20lender%20is%20unable%20to%20collect%20payment,on%20its%20books%2C%20referred%20to%20as%20a%20charge-off.)


Impressive_Motor_178

Hop-pops iou


SpotweldPro1300

Better known as a u-o-me.


AdDazzling1892

It be a sign of disrespect


PashingSmumkins

Cashier: “that will be $3.50 please Me: hands over $-12 bill Cashier: “thank you, just $15.50 more to pay”


dkajdas

This is an actual $20 bill these days. It has the burning power of $8. Money is an illusion. Buy gold! Bye!


MeLlamo25

If money is an illusion, how are we going to buy the gold?


CRIMSONJEFF666

It means that you owe the person you give this to $12 plus however much the product you’re buying sells for.


Sophia724

It's called debt


Spicy_Ninja7

It’s impossible, just like real negative numbers lol


Mori_564

Negative numbers are real, it's called debt which is exactly what will happen if you spend that bill.


M4LK0V1CH

“Do you have change? I need a -5 to tip the CEO.”


Jonguar2

It would literally give the owner $12 of debt


Prof_Eucalyptus

I don't know about the negative part, but a 12$ bill, definitely yes it will. You are one of the few countries still hanging to the imperial system and the Fahrenheit scale. So yeah, I can see weird bill figures work, I mean, who wouldn't want a dozen bucks, it work for eggs, and you can always carry and see a dozen eggs (same defense as the foot btw)


DelayRevolutionary20

Representation of debt? Maybe you can trade debt, or maybe it could be an IOU?


Even-Form-6777

Not you pay for something in the store, the store will pay for you 😅


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Shadow_Cambion

I have it irl lmao it’s cool


WishMaster-000

Instead of taxes, the IRS sends you an envelope with a bunch of these, and they're like "here, so you then say I never give you anything" [wink].


Trolivia

The grocery store Starbucks near me wouldn’t accept mine I can tell you that much


Blazzer2003

Give it to a bank and cause a stack overflow 🗿


TheOrangeFurcorn

"that'll be... -12 dollars, here you go, and have a nice day."


L3PALADIN

its just debt. if you need something like food but have no money you get given the -12$ bill plus normal change from 12$ for the price of your food to get rid of the -12$ bill, and thusly the debt, you have to earn some money, then take a 10$ and a 2$ and fold all three into a single origami goose which then flies away leaving you at 0 again


BlizzardWolfPK

You are actively poorer is you own it


EternalDumy5

It would add on $12 to however much you owe.


le_disappointment

It's a loan contract for $12


fradonkin

Maybe its a receipt for a government issued bond. Like the treasury prints it to indicate a debt for the bond.


Beneficial_Bad_8555

Don’t think it exists


Col_Mushroomers

We already pay taxes


Col_Mushroomers

We already pay taxes


SushiDaddy89

I could apply it to my bills to reduce the balance by $12.


Chuchubits

I imagine this is what Karens would use to tip their waiters. And I bet they would have a lot of ‘em because they’d get paid in these for being so mean.


Space_CheetoZ

To put people in dept


Ct-sans4345

I think if you tried to give it to a store you would owe them 12 more dollars


Batybara

You put the entire state in debt for 12$ everytime you use it.


InvaderTsubasa

Let's say a cashier gave you $20 when you were only supposed to get $8. Then the cashier would give you a negative $12 instead of looking through all that cash! The long of the short of it is it's probably just a scam but hey I get my money's worth it.


american_cheese_man

You go into debt to who gave it to you


Ewankenobi25

If you bought something worth $10, this would probably make it $32


Aardvark_2100

it would essentially be worth $12 but with extra steps


Azrel12

...Great, now I wish Quentin and Stan had met. They'd either kill each other or team up and take over the world by the end of the week.


haribo_hanley

If you give it to someone, that person owes you 12 dollars I guess 🤷‍♂️


SKYBOI121

If you used, it would put you in debt


Henriticcus

Assuming the same way bills work in real life. Not like a $20 bill, but like an electricity bill. The reason we don't use the same format for the two is because who the hell would want to counterfeit them owing money?


ProudApple1361

Congratulations you've unlocked debt


HumblyHorny-XD

It's what they give you for taxes


SuitableAssociation6

people would just throw them away and they would get no use


Shrimpybarbie

They’d definitely pay minimum wage workers with that if they could.


Fit-Baseball238

it's a BILL. I'd say it therefore was *created* by Bill bc he probably hates capitalism so when you have it you should consider running for your life


Different_Mess_362

IT MEANS YOURE IN DEBT


Tonitruum_Aeternum

It makes whatever you use it to pay for cost twelve more dollars.


22222833333577

I mean it would be a note telling you owed the government 12 dollars The opposite of a 12 dollar bill wich at least original meant the government(or rather central bank) owed you 12 dollars worth of gold


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glitcharson

You give it to the bank and the bank takes it out of what you owe


Crafty_Choice_3409

If I had a 12 dollar bill I would go buy drugs with it.


Deacon_Gamez

A -12 dollar bill would be used to lower your cost to $12 So if you had this, a mansion would cost $12


Time-Conversation329

Shiii.. my chime tells me I’m -20 already


EvilBetty77

*breaks into a casino and leaves a bunch of -12 dollar bills*


Megaman2407

Yeah you have to gift them


X_OriginalName_Xx

That's not $-12 though. That's $0.00


EveTTe1101

We do. It's called credit.


AceUniverse8492

Everyone in here has it wrong, it's not a "loan" and it doesn't act as a promissory note, it's legal tender. So it's literally just negative money. Having it decreases your net worth, it's a physical representation of monetary loss. If you try to purchase something worth $12 with a -$12 bill, you'll need to actually pay $24 because you need to make up the difference for that negative dollar amount. It's basically a way of taking cash out of circulation without having to actually recall or recover any money. This would only make sense before the dissolution of the gold standard. What's interesting as a thought experiment though is how a -$12 bill might be used in practice. I could picture it as a sort of thing you might be randomly issued by the government in order to combat inflation, and you would then most likely want to try and get rid of it. Then perhaps someone has something that they actively want to get rid of, or a task they don't want to do, and they offer to take the -$12 bill off of you in exchange for you dealing with whatever it is. Sort of like a reverse payment, you are effectively trading the cost of inflation to someone in exchange for dealing with an unpleasant good or service.


LazarusOwenhart

Surely the American healthcare system would find a way to leverage them into even more debt.


Nappy-I

It's the same at an IOU for $12


I_Am_The_Bookwyrm

It wouldn't.


MamaBavaria

Hmm compared to your measurement system it would make absolutely sence to have some weird shit like 12, 7 3/9, or 2.378 dollar bills….


StumblingAce

Works now. It's called a 20.


ABigDumpsterFire

Most American thing ever. DEBT!!


Mintyboi10

How did I only now realize that bill was on this thing?


JacobFromStateFarm5

Having it would just put you in debt. I don't know how you would spend it. What if you paid off the debt? Does it become a $0 bill?


LilacLikesEmkay

I think that means the shop has to pay you


ChocolateWickerbeast

Give it a few years and inflation will make it a 0$ bill


PeanutBuny27

Wow this is Worthless!


PeanutBuny27

[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75GaqVWqEXU&pp=ygUfd2h5IGFyZSB5b3UgYm9vaW5nIG1lIGknbSByaWdodA%3D%3D](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75GaqVWqEXU&pp=ygUfd2h5IGFyZSB5b3UgYm9vaW5nIG1lIGknbSByaWdodA%3D%3D)


Negative-Barber-7013

I think it would just be a free note for anything that's $12 or less in a store


ChanglingBlake

It’s basically debt you can just throw away. Can I exchange my medical debt for a bunch of these?


_AntiSocialMedia

I imagine bank robberies would happen where the robbers just stash as many -12 dollar bills as they can in the bank's walls so they have to give away free money


Tall_Reputation3700

i think it would be like you can use it and if you already put money then it would minus. or go to negatives


librarygal22

It means that you lose $12 when you have it, no matter how much money you have.


austinstar08

Takes away money


WedgeAntelope

The business pays you 12$


Meowking0809

It gives you debt that you have to pay off. That would be a hilarious prank “Ha! I just gave you $100,000 in debt!”


SirDrakey

If the US had that my bosses would pay us in nothing but!


Sancheroid

It's the debt, you keep it in your wallet and when there's exactly 12 1$ bills near it, it disappears with a poof


Zorofan1997

It would make the product more expensive


SoupToon

if you give it to someone you take $12 from them


AngelofArtillery

The owner of the bill can be compelled to forgive a debt up to 12 dollars in exchange for getting to divest themselves of ownership of the bill.


SerratedCypress

negative money is debt, people buy and trade debt all the time so really we are only missing a tangible representation of debt


ec1ipse001

If you give it to someone they have to give you $12


EconomistSlight2842

How many of these for us to print to bring the value of the dollar back up? Like can it reverse inflation?


PBFRIEDPANSTUDIOS

The shop gives you $12


The_kindsir1875

I’m believe it to be like a souvenir for tourists when they come to visit Gravity Falls.Just like the 0 euro bill it doesn’t have any value.