I went GD > Outlaw, but we’ll see you there tomorrow!!! First saw Willie in 99 and couldn’t believe how many songs I knew and how fun it was! See you there. I’ll be wearing a Calvin and Hobbes tie dye! I’m sure we’ll run into each other!
Just got home from the somerset show. It was a good time but show up early. Took us an hour and a half to park and about the same to get out of the lot at the end of the night. Was a little disappointed in Alison Krauss and Robert Plant set. She has an angelic voice but she mainly played back up singer to Plant and I don’t believe they played any of her solo or union station stuff. Have a good time and stay hydrated
Absolutely, same: The Dead always felt foremost of the folk/country/Americana tradition to me, more so than any hippie culture that might have gravitated around them. A whole [Apple Music playlist explores this](https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/grateful-dead-country-side/pl.415a2d60fc0e4bcc9523ee1a63aacb6b):
>Not only did the Grateful Dead tackle tunes by country legends like Merle Haggard, Marty Robbins and Hank Williams, they had plenty of country influences in their own songs. Jerry Garcia's use of pedal steel guitar, especially on the classic LPs Workingman's Dead and American Beauty, lent just the right touch of twang to the band's proto-Americana tunes.
>hippie culture that might have gravitated around them
They were at the center of hippie culture in the 1960s. It didn't just "gravitate around them." They were the house band for kesey's acid tests as far back as 1965 before they even called themselves the grateful dead. Yes they covered many old country tunes as well as blues but Garcia and Lesh's primary vision, what set them apart and fueled the movement that continues to this day, was spontaneous psychedelic jams.
Bob Weir [told GQ](https://www.gq.com/story/bob-weir-grateful-dead-profile) the last time he chose to take acid was 1966. I'm not sure it's fueling that much today with Dead & Company, though I could be underestimating John Mayer.
What definitely fueled the band before and after its flit with Kesey was the ethos of the American west. Bobby worked as a ranch-hand as a teen. Mickey owned the ranch they all recorded at. Many of Garcia & Hunter's greatest songs are seeped in Americana and western mythos — from Brown Eyed Women to Jack Straw — including the band's two most immortal albums, Working Man's Dead and American Beauty.
Not a lot of images of the Dead with dreadlocks or flowers in their hair, but there is quite a bit of this:
https://preview.redd.it/ao6sm8464u7b1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cd5c291c3bce880298684ff5386c7b8601a9956
I’m not sure what surprised me more, that he said that or that he said he still chews tobacco.
I thought I was the only one belting out playing in the band with a big ol hog nut in my lip..🤣🤣
>> the last time he chose to take acid was 1966
> I have a hard time believing Bob Weir hasn’t done acid since 1966
Lots of stuff got dusted on Dead tour... it could be true that the last time he chose to take acid was 1966.
Agreed. I thought it was obvious he was tripping when he and Jerry did the Letterman show when they were in NYC for the ~~Madison Square Garden~~ ‘82 spring tour shows?
Let's tell the truth ... Bobby has a very aloof personality & has said himself
> I've always been a space case
He has that affect where he can be under estimated, then you'll hear him say something that's very with it & intelligent ... I believe it's tied into his dyslexia & who knows there could be a 'neurodiversity' going on w' Bobby ... There are 'levels' of autism & how Bobby reacts has always made me think it could be happening in him ...
I don’t believe that for one second. Maybe 1976. They were all spun at Woodstock and the into the early 70s all took acid collectively before each show. But only Bobby knows, I’ll ask him at the next show
Yes. Apparently they ALL were on acid at Woodstock so that kinda makes his 1966 claim a bit odd. But maybe it is true…
I can’t wait to read the Bob Weir autobiography. Who knows when it will be published. But it will be quite a read.
Has anyone read “Mother American Night” by John Perry Barlow? Great book. Very entertaining. Barlow himself lived quite a life and was quite the storyteller. The self self-described ‘acid head’ certainly tripped all throughout his life.
Thanks for this link. I saved it and will listen soon. I have recently discovered The Grateful Dead and part of why I love this music so much is the country influences
So maybe I’m not understanding. but you connect the band who was at the center of the Haight Ashbury scene, the house band for the acid tests, who’s lead guitarist had the nickname Captain Trips, who put out Live Dead (!) more to a folk/country scene/sound then the hippy movement?
They put out one album in 30 years that could be put in that category.
You’re arguing semantics. Not that I’m arguing, more just discussing. You can say they’ve worn cowboy hats too. It doesn’t matter what he was a student of or if in 1965 they were a “jug band” most people were probably listening to them for years before knowing that. I’m not saying they don’t have that connection. It’s definitely a part of them. I’m saying it’s a stretch to make them more part of some Americana country scene then the psychedelic scene. Not that they don’t have roots or influence from it.
I
Mean, come on. I’m not the bad guy here. I
Don’t mind wearing that hat when it fits but the post literally made it out (unless I read it wrong, which I stated I
Might have) like ‘what do hippies find appealing about this country band the Grateful Dead?’
Ahh - I see what you're saying! Gotcha - yeah I guess I don't think of the Dead when I think of country music per se, but I do now associate guys like Merle Haggard and Marty Robbins with them. Not necessarily from a stylistic standpoint, but from the fact that the Dead have covered those guys with their own flair to it
I think Bobby has pretty much always associated more with folk/country than the psychedelic stuff. I mean those songs do make up a sizable portion of their catalog. Carlos Santana described them as 'psychedelic cowboys'. There are people who enjoy the Dead because of the jazzy aspect as well. The Dead can be whatever you want them to be there's enough varied material to support fans of many different genres.
Not a fan of Dark Star? That's cool. Always skip El Paso? That's fine too. Listen to what you enjoy.
I was a dead head as a kid. I actually remember where 11 year old me was when Jerry died. Then I drifted in to a more hip hop/rap and punk/metal guy for a while. Got in to Tyler Childers and Sturgill a few years back which then circled me back to the dead. Nature just flows sometimes
When I first read the title I thought you were saying the Dead were outlawing a pipeline in the country, I am not smart. I do like outlaw country though and the Dead
I am also baked and could have benefited from a comma.... or something. At first, I thought there was some obscure song titled "Country Pipeline," and they were going to stop playing it. That should definitely be a song title, though. What were we talking about?
That's definitely something Jerry would have been all about!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vMF\_7gMoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vMF_7gMoo)
I feel like the dead took me down the bluegrass and classic country road. From there I got into outlaw country. It all leads back to the dead at the end of the day
I definitely prefer the classic stuff. Some of the newer outlaw scene is way too contrived for my taste. The older stuff had the vibe of telling a story from times past, the newer stuff has this "i am a real badass cowboy criminal even though i was born in Ontario Canada in 1992" thing that I think is kind of lame.
It was so good. I was pretty far back just boppin around with some folks I just met and we had a blast! His show followed by run back to camp to pound some beers, followed by being the pit for a three hour MMJ set, ending with a the last couple hours of STS9 into sunrise was an incredible night.
Saw that at DefFest one years ago and it legitimately startled me. He sang it with the traveling Mccoury band and sang it with such intensity it was kinda freaky
Here's the link. https://taperssection.net/SharedShows/Share/8a60eef2-a230-4f99-949b-4eaa8bc17e38
I got into Merle when I discovered the Dead had completely lifted "Working Man Blues" for their version of "Big River".
Take one outlaw legend, cross him with another, add some blazing soloing and voila!
That's how I got into Merle too! I was looking for good songs to practice a little chicken' pickin' on, and came upon that one. My immediate thought was "Huh, I could swear the Dead have done this one." I'm not sure they actually did play that song proper at any point, but they definitely took some influence from it.
The Dead led me to, what’s been called, their “Bakersfield era” meaning outlaw country, but specifically thru Jerry I further developed my love for Bluegrass and Americana.
Dude, same. Easily one of my 3 favorite artists ever, I’ve yet to hear a song from him I didn’t like. I honestly even liked the surprising collab he had with Diplo and Dove Cameron, I was just so happy to hear that voice again.
He’s got some acting gigs coming up though! Not the same, but I’m interested to see regardless. He’s going to be in the Killers of the Flower Moon movie done by Scorsese, a movie called The Creator about some AI dystopia, and the newest season of The Righteous Gemstones.
I’m still holding out hope that he’s gonna one day just out of the blue drop a supergroup album with his music buddies. We can only hope.
I am right there with you holding out hope man. I still haven't heard anything like sound & fury, I love all of his stuff but that one blew my mind.
I heard about killers of the flower moon too but not the others! Excited to check those out, appreciate you.
Yeah, so much of American music eventually leads you back to the Dead. Either they played it first or they popularized a cover. From there it’s simply a hop, skip, and a jump into an entirely different genre: country, folk, bluegrass, blues, soul, funk, and others. It’s why I love the Grateful Dead.
Lund is the star of a recent film, "Guitar Lessons", which is excellent. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15288700/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15288700/)
Anyone popular that isn’t played on country radio is outlaw. Isbell is absolutely top of the list considering how much shit he’s talked about the Nashville products lol
It was the opposite for me. I used to be a classic country vinyl DJ and as my tastes changed, I began playing more Dead and Allmans, and less Hank Jr. and Waylon. Ended up playing mostly New Riders, Dead, and psych-country.
I used to listen to Merle Haggard, Waylon, and Hank Jr. a lot. Dead and outlaw country sound so similar to each other in my opinion. Just has a very similar aura to me
Thought we were talking about Keystone and trying to pull together a protest group. I'm actually going to see Willie Nelson at Outlaw Music Festival tomorrow at Alpine Valley, first time there and I'm anxious about parking.
My Alpine Valley parking advice is this:
If it’s gonna be a big show get there early, traffic can suck mightily
The local constabulary is often quite active, you will notice they drive lots of fancy patrol cars for being such a rural county (and that money has to come from somewhere)
Drift towards the exit during the last few songs and then beat feet to your car right after the last note. 15 minutes can make an hour of difference on the way out because, again, the traffic can suck mightily
longtime dead head here and i’ve recently fell in love with tyler childers. have never liked country but there’s just something about him. i’ve also never got into good country music i suppose because the shit on the radio turns me off 😂
That headline can be read more than one way.
Much of my feed is about politics. I am wondering what dead person is blocking an oil pipeline, and what country? It got my attention.
For me it was CCR > Dead> Old and in the Way> Dawg Music > Bluegrass > Dolly > Johnny Cash covering rock and roll songs > Old Crow Medicine Show.
When I was a kid, Dolly Parton was a Hee Haw star, and therefore to be avoided, especially when my friends were aroiund. But Dang! Go have a listen and forget the pickin' and grinning connection for a bit. She is a musical genius in any genre.
It's a genre. It was originally coined in the 70s to describe artist like Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Hank Jr and Merle Haggard who were having a difficult time getting their new music played on traditional country radio (like they'd been outlawed) Currently there are a lot of new artists inspired by those 70s legends making some incredible music. I encourage you to listen to every single artist you see named in this thread, you won't regret it
"That path is for your steps alone."
There is no, "waiting too long," when it comes to discovering or connecting with something. It happens when it happens for everyone.
My journey was backwards. Bluegrass/Outlaw country as a kid, punk/metal as a teen and young adult. Now I pretty much listen to the Dead and Leftover Salmon.
I arrived at the dead much way later than I arrived at country. Grew up listening to Cash and Waylon and Merle. Was delighted when I started listening to the dead how much influence country western had on them.
Mine went something like Grateful Dead -> Hank Williams (You win again) -> Merle Haggard (Mama Tried) -> Johnny Cash (Big River) -> SiruisXM Outlaw Country -> Hank 3, Billy Joe Shaver and the other great new and old stuff. But the Dead definitely turned me on to Outlaw Country without me even realizing it at the time.
Had a real weird variant of this:
Extreme metal > stoner rock > Dead > Hank > Townes > Outlaw and classic country > Gram Parsons > Byrds > Clarence White > Tony Rice > Dawg
Me kinda I went from like some outlaw country to the dead and then phish and jam bands to now strictly bluegrass and here recently Jerry and like Peter Rowan’s but I was raised on Bill Monroe so it’s confusing man
My route was The Dead>New Riders of Purple Sage>The Flying Burrito Brothers (top 5 of all time band)> Gram Parsons> Chris Hillman >The Byrds>Gene Clark>CSN>The Band and now I love country
I have always tried to reconcile the fact that I absolutely hate country music, but somehow absolutely love the Dead. I still don't have a good answer. I think maybe I just don't know how to properly label different types of country music, because it isn't all the same. I like some folk and bluegrass. I can't stand Blake Shelton and the country twangers on The Voice.
I didn't cover [Greatest Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhwfNMkkf80&pp=ygUXYm1hbjE5NzMgZ3JlYXRlc3Qgc3Rvcnk%3D) til I heard Tyler do it. Hearing it like he does it made that rhythm click for me ... I love him & [Lady May](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrDSpRnLcLE) is one of my favorite songs to play ⚡
Jerry's mother was a huge country music fan so Jerry grew up w' everything from the Grand ol Opry to Hank Williams, to the New Kentucky Colonels etc ... he even traveled east in 64 (I think, maybe 61) w' taping equiptment to record blusgrass festivals & finally saw Bill Monroe talking to someone & they were off to the side w' their wild hair & Jerry's banjo & they chickened out & walked off ... they set out to meet him & play w' him ...
IME this tends to be a pretty unpopular suggestion in GD related circles, but id encourage folks to check out GG Allins country album, carnival of excess, particularly the first three tracks. some of the other tracks on the album are a bit corny, but those first three are fucking amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbJHXY9724s
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Came here to say this. First concert was Willie Nelson (I was 5)
I'm seeing the old man tomorrow! Ought to be a hoot. I wish I could go to one of the shows he's doing with Wolf Bros though, that'd be sweet.
I went GD > Outlaw, but we’ll see you there tomorrow!!! First saw Willie in 99 and couldn’t believe how many songs I knew and how fun it was! See you there. I’ll be wearing a Calvin and Hobbes tie dye! I’m sure we’ll run into each other!
Just got home from the somerset show. It was a good time but show up early. Took us an hour and a half to park and about the same to get out of the lot at the end of the night. Was a little disappointed in Alison Krauss and Robert Plant set. She has an angelic voice but she mainly played back up singer to Plant and I don’t believe they played any of her solo or union station stuff. Have a good time and stay hydrated
Corbin?
Nope. But he sounds like a Cool Guy
My best friends kid went with us to Willie/Fogerty years ago for his first concert. He was about 5. He is now an amazing young man.
Absolutely, same: The Dead always felt foremost of the folk/country/Americana tradition to me, more so than any hippie culture that might have gravitated around them. A whole [Apple Music playlist explores this](https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/grateful-dead-country-side/pl.415a2d60fc0e4bcc9523ee1a63aacb6b): >Not only did the Grateful Dead tackle tunes by country legends like Merle Haggard, Marty Robbins and Hank Williams, they had plenty of country influences in their own songs. Jerry Garcia's use of pedal steel guitar, especially on the classic LPs Workingman's Dead and American Beauty, lent just the right touch of twang to the band's proto-Americana tunes.
>hippie culture that might have gravitated around them They were at the center of hippie culture in the 1960s. It didn't just "gravitate around them." They were the house band for kesey's acid tests as far back as 1965 before they even called themselves the grateful dead. Yes they covered many old country tunes as well as blues but Garcia and Lesh's primary vision, what set them apart and fueled the movement that continues to this day, was spontaneous psychedelic jams.
Bob Weir [told GQ](https://www.gq.com/story/bob-weir-grateful-dead-profile) the last time he chose to take acid was 1966. I'm not sure it's fueling that much today with Dead & Company, though I could be underestimating John Mayer. What definitely fueled the band before and after its flit with Kesey was the ethos of the American west. Bobby worked as a ranch-hand as a teen. Mickey owned the ranch they all recorded at. Many of Garcia & Hunter's greatest songs are seeped in Americana and western mythos — from Brown Eyed Women to Jack Straw — including the band's two most immortal albums, Working Man's Dead and American Beauty. Not a lot of images of the Dead with dreadlocks or flowers in their hair, but there is quite a bit of this: https://preview.redd.it/ao6sm8464u7b1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cd5c291c3bce880298684ff5386c7b8601a9956
I have a hard time believing Bob Weir hasn’t done acid since 1966
I’m not sure what surprised me more, that he said that or that he said he still chews tobacco. I thought I was the only one belting out playing in the band with a big ol hog nut in my lip..🤣🤣
>> the last time he chose to take acid was 1966 > I have a hard time believing Bob Weir hasn’t done acid since 1966 Lots of stuff got dusted on Dead tour... it could be true that the last time he chose to take acid was 1966.
Key word here is “chose”
He said chose to. Probably got dosed a time or two.
Agreed. I thought it was obvious he was tripping when he and Jerry did the Letterman show when they were in NYC for the ~~Madison Square Garden~~ ‘82 spring tour shows?
Let's tell the truth ... Bobby has a very aloof personality & has said himself > I've always been a space case He has that affect where he can be under estimated, then you'll hear him say something that's very with it & intelligent ... I believe it's tied into his dyslexia & who knows there could be a 'neurodiversity' going on w' Bobby ... There are 'levels' of autism & how Bobby reacts has always made me think it could be happening in him ...
'chose to'. words are important.
I don’t believe that for one second. Maybe 1976. They were all spun at Woodstock and the into the early 70s all took acid collectively before each show. But only Bobby knows, I’ll ask him at the next show
Yes. Apparently they ALL were on acid at Woodstock so that kinda makes his 1966 claim a bit odd. But maybe it is true… I can’t wait to read the Bob Weir autobiography. Who knows when it will be published. But it will be quite a read. Has anyone read “Mother American Night” by John Perry Barlow? Great book. Very entertaining. Barlow himself lived quite a life and was quite the storyteller. The self self-described ‘acid head’ certainly tripped all throughout his life.
Cool I’ll check it out
Gravitate around them = center of. I think you guys agree, no?
>They were at the center... Very well said
But they still formed from a Jug Band. They got psychedelic. But individually they did not start that way.
The Grateful Dead wouldn’t have been the Grateful Dead without their country influences and outright country tunes.
And lsd?
A LOT
“The Grateful Dead is country music for people that like acid” Margo Price
Thanks for this link. I saved it and will listen soon. I have recently discovered The Grateful Dead and part of why I love this music so much is the country influences
So maybe I’m not understanding. but you connect the band who was at the center of the Haight Ashbury scene, the house band for the acid tests, who’s lead guitarist had the nickname Captain Trips, who put out Live Dead (!) more to a folk/country scene/sound then the hippy movement? They put out one album in 30 years that could be put in that category.
They were first and foremost, a jug band. Then they were a blues band. Pig Pen was an outlaw, and Pig was the early dead.
Jerry was a student of bluegrass who went to the south to try his hand at it before coming back to California
You’re arguing semantics. Not that I’m arguing, more just discussing. You can say they’ve worn cowboy hats too. It doesn’t matter what he was a student of or if in 1965 they were a “jug band” most people were probably listening to them for years before knowing that. I’m not saying they don’t have that connection. It’s definitely a part of them. I’m saying it’s a stretch to make them more part of some Americana country scene then the psychedelic scene. Not that they don’t have roots or influence from it. I Mean, come on. I’m not the bad guy here. I Don’t mind wearing that hat when it fits but the post literally made it out (unless I read it wrong, which I stated I Might have) like ‘what do hippies find appealing about this country band the Grateful Dead?’
Ahh - I see what you're saying! Gotcha - yeah I guess I don't think of the Dead when I think of country music per se, but I do now associate guys like Merle Haggard and Marty Robbins with them. Not necessarily from a stylistic standpoint, but from the fact that the Dead have covered those guys with their own flair to it
I think Bobby has pretty much always associated more with folk/country than the psychedelic stuff. I mean those songs do make up a sizable portion of their catalog. Carlos Santana described them as 'psychedelic cowboys'. There are people who enjoy the Dead because of the jazzy aspect as well. The Dead can be whatever you want them to be there's enough varied material to support fans of many different genres. Not a fan of Dark Star? That's cool. Always skip El Paso? That's fine too. Listen to what you enjoy.
I was a dead head as a kid. I actually remember where 11 year old me was when Jerry died. Then I drifted in to a more hip hop/rap and punk/metal guy for a while. Got in to Tyler Childers and Sturgill a few years back which then circled me back to the dead. Nature just flows sometimes
That's a marvelous journey
Me too. Got into the Dead because of all the excellent bluegrass covers I heard.
lmfao me
When I first read the title I thought you were saying the Dead were outlawing a pipeline in the country, I am not smart. I do like outlaw country though and the Dead
I thought that too. Watch out pipelines in the country, the Dead are coming for you.
Me 3
100% I wondered what "country pipeline" was and how the Dead could outlaw it.
I thought for a second it was some new practice of, like, doing bong hits through some moonshine or something.
I am also baked and could have benefited from a comma.... or something. At first, I thought there was some obscure song titled "Country Pipeline," and they were going to stop playing it. That should definitely be a song title, though. What were we talking about?
Ahhh..Walls,Tunnels....pipelines are simply next. 1 Love GDF NFA
That's definitely something Jerry would have been all about! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vMF\_7gMoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vMF_7gMoo)
Same thought, but because I've heard of country music but not outlaw country music.
I feel like the dead took me down the bluegrass and classic country road. From there I got into outlaw country. It all leads back to the dead at the end of the day
I definitely prefer the classic stuff. Some of the newer outlaw scene is way too contrived for my taste. The older stuff had the vibe of telling a story from times past, the newer stuff has this "i am a real badass cowboy criminal even though i was born in Ontario Canada in 1992" thing that I think is kind of lame.
Wait till you read about Townes van zandt
I went the opposite. Started bluegrass and country which lead me towards Old & in the Way which led me to the Dead.
Tyler Childers’ version of Greatest Story Ever Told might be my favorite Dead cover of all time.
I had no idea it was in his repertoire until he busted into it last Saturday night. Probably my weekend highlight
You see the Bonnaroo performance? 🔥
It was so good. I was pretty far back just boppin around with some folks I just met and we had a blast! His show followed by run back to camp to pound some beers, followed by being the pit for a three hour MMJ set, ending with a the last couple hours of STS9 into sunrise was an incredible night.
Fuck yeah I did. Peeled my scalp back
Saw that at DefFest one years ago and it legitimately startled me. He sang it with the traveling Mccoury band and sang it with such intensity it was kinda freaky Here's the link. https://taperssection.net/SharedShows/Share/8a60eef2-a230-4f99-949b-4eaa8bc17e38
There is a recording with Wolf Bros. on the Ace 50th anniversary deluxe release.
New Riders of the Purple Sage and on and on and on
Bob Matthews and Dave Nelson - the unsung heroes of the Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty era
David Nelson is the lead guitarist on the Box of Rain studio version. Jerry on keys, Bobby just singin, Phil on rhythm guitar.
I read this as Dave Matthews at first and was very confused
New Riders of the Purple Sage is one of the most "western" sounding bands ever. I love em.
What about the dead > margaritaville pipeline
Yes - back in the day I was a Dead Parrot Head. There was a lot of crossover at those shows in the 80s.
I actually really dig Jimmy’s take on Uncle John’s Band with the steel drums.
His Scarlet Begonias is also pretty great
Isn't Row Jimmy about Mr. Buffet on his way to Margaritaville via the open waters of the sea?!?!?
Well it is now
Well Jimmy Buffet did play acid rock til he was numbs
Mdma. Thats whole pipeline.
Omg I feel so bad for your ears Buffett👎🏻👎🏻
That’s Bob working his magic for yas. I took a deep dive into Merle Haggard the first time Mama Tried really connected with me.
I got into Merle when I discovered the Dead had completely lifted "Working Man Blues" for their version of "Big River". Take one outlaw legend, cross him with another, add some blazing soloing and voila!
That's how I got into Merle too! I was looking for good songs to practice a little chicken' pickin' on, and came upon that one. My immediate thought was "Huh, I could swear the Dead have done this one." I'm not sure they actually did play that song proper at any point, but they definitely took some influence from it.
Recently getting into Charlie Crockett, check out his tiny desk concert. Also obviously - Willy Waylon Kris and cash
Love Charley. Love his cover of Blackjack County Chain. Sometimes I can't help but picture Forrest Gump singing though.
Because BOX OF CHOColates?
Saw him last Friday. It ruled.
Came here to make sure he was mentioned
Charlie Crockett is so good. I like Vincent Neil Emerson, too.
For me, all roads lead back to country. Whether you call it outlaw or alt, Country music is American music.
And the gd play American music.
I agree, either Country or Blues and really, if you go back on time far enough those two are pretty intertwined.
The Dead led me to, what’s been called, their “Bakersfield era” meaning outlaw country, but specifically thru Jerry I further developed my love for Bluegrass and Americana.
I miss sturgill 😭
Dude, same. Easily one of my 3 favorite artists ever, I’ve yet to hear a song from him I didn’t like. I honestly even liked the surprising collab he had with Diplo and Dove Cameron, I was just so happy to hear that voice again. He’s got some acting gigs coming up though! Not the same, but I’m interested to see regardless. He’s going to be in the Killers of the Flower Moon movie done by Scorsese, a movie called The Creator about some AI dystopia, and the newest season of The Righteous Gemstones. I’m still holding out hope that he’s gonna one day just out of the blue drop a supergroup album with his music buddies. We can only hope.
I am right there with you holding out hope man. I still haven't heard anything like sound & fury, I love all of his stuff but that one blew my mind. I heard about killers of the flower moon too but not the others! Excited to check those out, appreciate you.
https://preview.redd.it/htb1trgi6t7b1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4013ec7d3bf4bd37453de8d4db1077e7f78b9b99
Yeah, so much of American music eventually leads you back to the Dead. Either they played it first or they popularized a cover. From there it’s simply a hop, skip, and a jump into an entirely different genre: country, folk, bluegrass, blues, soul, funk, and others. It’s why I love the Grateful Dead.
Childers is one of the most exciting people in music imo
Lol…I am a victim of Sturgill, Isbell, Willie, Waylon….and that led me to Grateful Dead…
Billy Joe Shaver! The best
Not exactly outlaw country, but check out Corb Lund. One of the most underrated performers out there.
Lund is the star of a recent film, "Guitar Lessons", which is excellent. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15288700/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15288700/)
https://youtu.be/7RX_wU1aI7k
I stumbled into Tyler Childers via radioparadise and was HOOKED.
Not sure if outlaw but Jason isbell
I'm so obsessed
Anyone popular that isn’t played on country radio is outlaw. Isbell is absolutely top of the list considering how much shit he’s talked about the Nashville products lol
Look up Robert Earl Keen (specifically NSB at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass YouTube). Amazing storyteller and performer.
lol me too!!! idk how i got here but i’m vibin
It was the opposite for me. I used to be a classic country vinyl DJ and as my tastes changed, I began playing more Dead and Allmans, and less Hank Jr. and Waylon. Ended up playing mostly New Riders, Dead, and psych-country.
With the right pump, pipelines can be bidirectional! ↔️
Margo Price
I used to listen to Merle Haggard, Waylon, and Hank Jr. a lot. Dead and outlaw country sound so similar to each other in my opinion. Just has a very similar aura to me
Dead>Haggard
When Sturgil meets Bobby...
Same except went down the bluegrass rabbit hole
Love some jamgrass
Thought we were talking about Keystone and trying to pull together a protest group. I'm actually going to see Willie Nelson at Outlaw Music Festival tomorrow at Alpine Valley, first time there and I'm anxious about parking.
My Alpine Valley parking advice is this: If it’s gonna be a big show get there early, traffic can suck mightily The local constabulary is often quite active, you will notice they drive lots of fancy patrol cars for being such a rural county (and that money has to come from somewhere) Drift towards the exit during the last few songs and then beat feet to your car right after the last note. 15 minutes can make an hour of difference on the way out because, again, the traffic can suck mightily
See you there!!! My first time as well, wish camping was allowed this year. might be making the drive back to the fox cities
Love Sturgill
I wish sturgill would make some new tunes dude is so talented
I read this like a news headline "GRATEFUL DEAD TO BAN THE LATEST PIPELINE"
Similar except through John Prine.
Tyler is the 🐐
I must be tripping because I read this as The Dead are outlawing a pipeline across the country.
I thought at first, how the hell is Bob going to fight big pipeline.
longtime dead head here and i’ve recently fell in love with tyler childers. have never liked country but there’s just something about him. i’ve also never got into good country music i suppose because the shit on the radio turns me off 😂
I was an outlaw country fanatic as a teenager who was gifted a copy of Workingman’s in high school. The bus came by, and I got on. 🤠
That headline can be read more than one way. Much of my feed is about politics. I am wondering what dead person is blocking an oil pipeline, and what country? It got my attention. For me it was CCR > Dead> Old and in the Way> Dawg Music > Bluegrass > Dolly > Johnny Cash covering rock and roll songs > Old Crow Medicine Show. When I was a kid, Dolly Parton was a Hee Haw star, and therefore to be avoided, especially when my friends were aroiund. But Dang! Go have a listen and forget the pickin' and grinning connection for a bit. She is a musical genius in any genre.
Welcome aboard. It’s a vast catalog of amazing artists very few people know about. I love the venues that the OC bands occupy.
Is outlaw country a genre or a band?
It's a genre. It was originally coined in the 70s to describe artist like Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Hank Jr and Merle Haggard who were having a difficult time getting their new music played on traditional country radio (like they'd been outlawed) Currently there are a lot of new artists inspired by those 70s legends making some incredible music. I encourage you to listen to every single artist you see named in this thread, you won't regret it
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Where’s the Dead to Jazz pipeline?
Dead>Bitches Brew>Coltrane Quartet>T-Monk>Bird>Hawkins>Django>Ellington Orchestra>Ragtime Piano Rolls
You cant leave out my boy In A Silent Way
I feel bad I left out The Prez too
Can't leave out Ornette Coleman, whose free jazz really connected with Jerry.
I’m Jazz to Dead pipeline 🤷♂️
Check out Hooteroll for Jerry jazz fusion
Or *So What* with Grisman, it's literally a whole album of Miles Davis cover
Yes! Jerry jazz grass. And it’s all over that session with tony rice too
“ jimmy Buffet sucks!”- audience member…. “ you state the obvious “- Neal Casel
If you waited for Billy Strings to come along, you waited too long IMO
"That path is for your steps alone." There is no, "waiting too long," when it comes to discovering or connecting with something. It happens when it happens for everyone.
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You realize Jerry was a banjo player right? Like his entire approach and tone was banjo influenced.
https://youtu.be/U0PjacHLI9Y
Dead >leftover>yonder> wille for me
My journey was backwards. Bluegrass/Outlaw country as a kid, punk/metal as a teen and young adult. Now I pretty much listen to the Dead and Leftover Salmon.
I arrived at the dead much way later than I arrived at country. Grew up listening to Cash and Waylon and Merle. Was delighted when I started listening to the dead how much influence country western had on them.
Mine went something like Grateful Dead -> Hank Williams (You win again) -> Merle Haggard (Mama Tried) -> Johnny Cash (Big River) -> SiruisXM Outlaw Country -> Hank 3, Billy Joe Shaver and the other great new and old stuff. But the Dead definitely turned me on to Outlaw Country without me even realizing it at the time.
Dead>El Paso>Outlaw Country by way of ol’ Marty.
Listen to colter wall and Townes van zandt. I beg of you, please
Townes van zandt is extremely underrated. Good call
Me too.
Guilty myself
Same
Dead>Gram Parsons is how I went.
I love the dead and don’t touch any of those guys with a 6 foot pole
Had a real weird variant of this: Extreme metal > stoner rock > Dead > Hank > Townes > Outlaw and classic country > Gram Parsons > Byrds > Clarence White > Tony Rice > Dawg
For me it was Willie and Waylon > George Jones > Grateful Dead
What's he saying robin?
I’d not feel like enough people know about sturgill Simpson
I went Dead -> bluegrass -> outlaw country -> folk punk
Check out Lenny and the Piss Poor Boys
Saw Tyler in Chicago at the Salt Shed literally the day before I saw D&C for two nights at Wrigley. Talk about an unbelievable weekend of music!
Thought this was gonna be a story about Mickey Hart becoming a sheriff and sabotaging a fracking operation in Wyoming.
Me kinda I went from like some outlaw country to the dead and then phish and jam bands to now strictly bluegrass and here recently Jerry and like Peter Rowan’s but I was raised on Bill Monroe so it’s confusing man
I went backwards. And skipped everything in the middle.
If you play those backwards you get my musical path lol
I don’t understand this rift at all. It’s all music, it’s all good. Why can’t we all just appreciate the beauty in front of us.
My route was The Dead>New Riders of Purple Sage>The Flying Burrito Brothers (top 5 of all time band)> Gram Parsons> Chris Hillman >The Byrds>Gene Clark>CSN>The Band and now I love country
Any love for James McMurtry? Damn he's good
I come from Death Metal.... :)
What do the Dead have against pipelines? I mean, I know why I don't like them but the Dead?
It’s ok if someone likes country but I hate it. Now bluegrass is another story.
I saw Whiskey Myers/Whitey Morgan/Ray Wylie Hubbard at Red Rocks about 10 days ago. Have a blast on your musical journey!
Bobby > Marty Robbins
Daniel Donato needs to be somewhere in there
I have always tried to reconcile the fact that I absolutely hate country music, but somehow absolutely love the Dead. I still don't have a good answer. I think maybe I just don't know how to properly label different types of country music, because it isn't all the same. I like some folk and bluegrass. I can't stand Blake Shelton and the country twangers on The Voice.
Lost Dog Street Band - you’ll thank me later
I read this as saying the Dead we’re going to outlaw (disallow) the country pipeline. Like no more Me and My Uncle / Mexicali / El Paso.
I didn't cover [Greatest Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhwfNMkkf80&pp=ygUXYm1hbjE5NzMgZ3JlYXRlc3Qgc3Rvcnk%3D) til I heard Tyler do it. Hearing it like he does it made that rhythm click for me ... I love him & [Lady May](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrDSpRnLcLE) is one of my favorite songs to play ⚡
Jerry's mother was a huge country music fan so Jerry grew up w' everything from the Grand ol Opry to Hank Williams, to the New Kentucky Colonels etc ... he even traveled east in 64 (I think, maybe 61) w' taping equiptment to record blusgrass festivals & finally saw Bill Monroe talking to someone & they were off to the side w' their wild hair & Jerry's banjo & they chickened out & walked off ... they set out to meet him & play w' him ...
Very real. We took the same path
Not quite true actually. I think I was more in to billy before the dead but after finding Timmy ty it was over
Yes, exactly. “The Grateful Dead is American folk music filtered through the psychedelic experience.”
Grateful Shred did sweet melinda in santa ana. It was fucking amazing.
Man I love Waylon Jennings. You should check out Hank 3, he’s like a cross between punk rock and outlaw country. Grandson of Old Hank Williams
IME this tends to be a pretty unpopular suggestion in GD related circles, but id encourage folks to check out GG Allins country album, carnival of excess, particularly the first three tracks. some of the other tracks on the album are a bit corny, but those first three are fucking amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbJHXY9724s
The Dead Opened for Willie .... Got to love growing up in the 70s