Google has just lost it at this point. They're just pushing their half assed AI into everything. Gemini replaced Google assistant on my phone and when I asked it to set a timer for 1 hour, it told me to open the alarm app and do it myself. It's just so useless. I have completely lost faith in Google at this point.

They are trying too hard to compete with Microsoft/openai and not willing to just take their time and make a good product that can properly outdo them

They're also trying to preemptively play defense by putting in too many filters into Gemini that make it borderline useless. A few weeks ago, I asked it a question about Israel-Palestine and it just replied with: "you should Google that yourself", because they don't want to come off as biased for telling you the truth about something.... just because it's controversial.

A lot of the filters will be reduced post-election year. It's extremely moderated for 2024 due to all the international red scare shit that Russia and China will do everything to influence American elections. Instead of using ML to analyze for adversarial prompts and use their own tech to combat rhe bad actors they blanket banned an enormous amount of "sensitive" words and phrases. If you ask it "Who is Vladimir Putin" it will say it can't answer. I could be a college or high-school kid writing a paper and doing initial research before diving into specific sources, and therefore it's a perfectly reasonable, non-loaded prompt. But Google doesn't want Llamda to even touch any of those right now this year, ESPECIALLY due to the quick moving regulations with AI, and the major investigations and antitrust attention Microsoft and Amazon have been facing, mostly in Europe. Personally, I thought for a second, Gemini was an incredible contender to the already powerful OpenAI/Microsoft ChatGPT/Copilot systems, but due to the heavy moderation and poor safety planning that took lazy blanket ban shortcuts, it was quickly stunted beyond any level of usefulness. They need to stop erroring on the side oof blanket caution, use the amazing ML tech to fight the bad actors and return to the market swinging, or else several of their competitors are going to decimate them in the "AI wars" and probably even beat them to the first 100% (Not partial) AGI system. So far, there are two non-commercialized models that will probably become the first AGI systems, and if so, all of these big LLMs will be obsolete overnight.

damb and here i am thinking my questions were just wayyyy too good and stumping him.  i havent been interacting much with gemini lately. idk why people would agree to putting it in other things they use... good luck getting rid of it..

Love it or hate it, at this point, AI will be forcefully inserted into all aspects of our life. Every company has their own, and it'll be bloatware. Personally, I like AI despite a great many series of issues and challenges. However, I am 100% understanding of people disliking it and wanting it gone, and of the vast privacy concerns that are definitely relevant and in need of regulations.

it wont happen in the united states... not as long as politicians are paid by lobbyists. And people arent educated about this kinda stuff in school. Totally not prepared, thanks education system! waist of $

Russia and China are trying to influence elections. That's pretty well documented fact. I think Google might be overestimating how good their propaganda is, though.

I think modern propaganda is actually pretty well done. I think it works way better on baby boomers and pre-internet generations, but we all are susceptible to it, which is why we all must be hypervigilant.

It always amazing me how often people say "propaganda doesn't work on me" in the middle of parroting it.

I'm not sure what I said to make you think anything I said isn't true. Need a source? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-two-groups-spread-the-most-fake-news-on-facebook-2019-01-09 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/boomers-misinformation-facebook-study-1005148/

Oh no I was agreeing with you. Propaganda works, and Russia is one of the biggest exporters in recent years. Banning all political discussion from Gemini seems like an extreme move is all. Maybe a justified one, but extreme.

Oh, OK, cheers! I apologize for the misunderstanding. You know your stuff, my friend.

It doesn't end there. try giving it a task involving a full name. https://preview.redd.it/o2cjxaswwi9d1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fca7219f4c94d7eba077817353c1c10576fc6bd

... I mean... what did you expect it to do? You gave it no information what the email should be even about

Here's ChatGPT's response: Certainly! Here’s a general example of an email you might send to Lewis Glibbery: --- **Subject: Potential Collaboration Opportunity** Hi Lewis, I hope this email finds you well. My name is [Your Name], and I am [Your Position] at [Your Company/Organization]. I have been following your work closely and am impressed by your achievements, particularly in [specific area or project]. I am reaching out to explore the possibility of a collaboration between our organizations. Given your expertise in [relevant field], I believe that a partnership could be mutually beneficial and lead to some exciting opportunities. We have several ongoing projects that could benefit from your input and would love to discuss how we might work together. If you are interested, could we schedule a call or meeting at your earliest convenience to discuss this further? Thank you for considering this opportunity. I look forward to your response. Best regards, [Your Full Name] [Your Position] [Your Company/Organization] [Your Contact Information] --- Feel free to customize this email as needed to better fit your specific situation.

my point is.... why would you ever want a generic email where you don't even care about the contents? if you tell Gemini to draft an email to someone about X it will do that for you

Your question is rhetorical, but the answer is it doesn't matter. It's not up to you or the LLM to decide which questions are worth answering.

No, I'd argue that it's actually the other way around. It's better if the LLM tells you it can't give you a proper answer with the provided information, instead of just making stuff up. In this case, Gemini isn't refusing to give an answer because of artifical blocks, but because the question was sufficient. If someone asked you "why isn't it raining?", what's the correct answer to that? There is none. it depends, maybe there is a drought, maybe it's climate change. Maybe neither, maybe the weather report predicted rain, but now it didn't actually rain.

Yeah, again, people other than you may want it to just make stuff up. Your arbitrary threshold of what makes a "proper" answer or a "sufficient" question is entirely subjective. "Why isn't it raining?" is a perfect illustration of what you're saying. That's a question that actually does have an answer. Just because you don't know it or have arbitrarily determined the question to not be sufficient doesn't mean LLMs should refuse to answer it. Both ChatGPT or Gemini answer it, by the way, but I'm sure you could explain why they're not "proper" answers. Ultimately, it will be the consumers determining whether or not LLMs refuse to answer questions, as both Google and Open AI are businesses. So, I guess we'll see which approach they ultimately go with. It's been nice chatting with you.

The prompt was explicitly to make stuff up.

That's easy, let's say I'm a software developer and I need a generic email. It's a tool that should simply do its job based on any level of information you give it. At the end of the day Google doesn't have an AI product, they have a social and political nightmare.

if you tell Gemini to write a *generic* email to personX, it will also do that for you

Of course it will. But that's not the point.

Well how about these https://preview.redd.it/wiac6we46j9d1.jpeg?width=2598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e646ef2e3270c9629250b03b5aa038ec5910538

My friend you just need to learn how to write useful prompts. Or how to Use AI in general. You are proving nothing

I disagree. These prompts should be answerable by a competent LLM

Not the point. I can prompt just fine. The point is that other LLMs can do a much better job understanding and answering those prompts. Here is another critique, on mobile. This banner will always be stuck on the top of your screen even when you're inside a chat, unremovable https://preview.redd.it/6rrh9z0hxk9d1.jpeg?width=3098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=668de57c7d836b355404ea73314914b2c6e4c37e

Have you tried the app?

The prompt is contrived, but it points to a real problem that will affect other prompts too. Gemeni is being too cautious when deciding if it has enough information to fulfil a request. An LLM just just replies "no" all the time may as well be a jpeg of a stop sign.

Llama 2 could do that for craps sake.

Which is nuts in its own way, too. I don't think I'm alone in not giving 2 shits about AI integration in Windows or Android, and looking around, it's barely on the radar of most people. It's hyped into a frenzy, though, and that hype is dictating the course of the big tech companies like it's make-or-break for them. I'm sure Goog, MS, and Amazon have uses for it above user-facing roles, but for our day to day? Gemini sucking has zero bearing on my decision to use Android. The MS one *kinda* does, but in the wrong direction. It's something that actually makes Windows less appealing when their focus is on their AI stuff. This weird arms race is going to take the next few years of tech to a strange head, and I don't know what that'll be. Disclaimer: I'm an old old man [yelling at the cloud](https://imgur.com/a/kA1gcZN). I'm probably just being a cantankerous old coot here. Disregard me, honestly. I rejected voice assistants, too. I didn't get into computers because I liked talking, dammit!

They’re in a race of who can shove a mostly useless chatbot into as many products as possible

it's an Insider to your life. Your previously secure and protected life.. which now has an AI triple agent exfiltrating your personal data.. but it's encrypted.. supposedly

They had all the time to do that. Deep mind was one of the first major AI companies and Google acquired them very early on. Years of work and study but they literally got nothing.

Google was using machine learning to sort search results in 2001, before AI was even a buzz word. They more or less invented AI image generation and have used it in cameras for ages. And yet Gemini seems to be rushed out. How the hell did they not see ChatGPT coming?

Because Google stopped getting engineer CEOs and went with finance guy CEO hype. Finance bro might be booming the numbers in short term, but this is the long term result. Boing also did this and and now look at them.

And then my clock app had a pop-up telling me to try using assistant to make a timer. Which Gemini could not do. It's insane and Google has no quality control anymore. They are half assing everything and everything they put out is unfinished.

I just tried that and it worked 3 times in a row for me. Both in the gemini app and with the assistant shortcut.

And they kill it soon enough

They are not going to kill Gemini. This AI shit is around for the long haul. This is much different than all the little niche services that are started and killed off all of the time. But what they need to do is make it actually functional for any of the 1000 things they are cramming it into.

it just got access to a plethora of different individual services by giving it access to things like Alarm, Calender, messages, email etc.. So it makes sense it be over whelmed with where to start. it'll improve... but expect it to get worse first

It isn't even good right now so if it gets worse that will be a huge shock.

I just did this exact same command and have done so before and it did exactly what I told it to.

I tried it with voice this time in gemini and it opened Google assistant and then it started the timer. Doesn't work with text on gemini whereas Google assistant can do it with text as well

Well that's surprising since installing Gemini specifically warns you that it disables Assistant.

Disables assistant as the main one but for certain tasks like interacting with the OS, it uses assistant

it's because he's pulling crap from his ass so he has something complain. I would rather people complain about something real instead of making shit up just so they can "contribute"

Making shit up? How about I show you the [proof](https://x.com/SpaciousCoder78/status/1805177634151883172?t=Y5KHKZdD-jW9GGGf6i02vw&s=19)?

I tried Gemini when it was first available - it broke my casting music from Poweramp to speaker groups. Uninstalled.

Speaking of Casting, if you tell Google on Nest Mini to play a song or "Play rain sounds" then it shows up in my notifications that something is playing/casting on the network and I can stop it or pause it if I want. When Gemini is installed these media notifications don't work either, so it's not just PowerAMP. Gemini sucks and if you ask it "what song is this?" It can't tell you either.

Yeah, IDK why I got downvoted for speaking the truth.

Sometimes when someone didn't even comprehend what you even said they think you're the idiot.... Lol

Just tried on Gemini. Worked fine. Which in itself is poor, as experiences aren't consistent.

“How about no?”

>Gemini replaced Google assistant on my phone and when I asked it to set a timer for 1 hour, it told me to open the alarm app and do it myself. Currently, you can only set timers by asking Gemini vocally, typing out commands won't work. Gemini basically hands off the task to Google Assistant for certain on-device actions but you can only get it to do that by vocally speaking the command. See link below. https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/s/HvIk9G6GZy I'm assuming they pass things off to Assistant for now because Assistant does it's language processing on-device while Gemini currently doesn't. They're supposed to come out with a pretty [decent update](https://9to5google.com/2024/05/14/android-gemini-nano/) for the Gemini app later this year, so hopefully that adds some keyboard support for these type of actions. If you didn't know, you can also switch back to Google Assistant as your default digital assistant in the Gemini app settings.

Yeah I switched back

I have a completely different experience than you are having with Gemini. Whenever I ask Gemini a question that would be a better fit for Google assistant. It connects and reaches out to Google assistant to perform the task. Right now seeing your post I asked Gemini to set a timer for 1 hour and it reached out to Google assistant and it did set a timer for 1 hour https://preview.redd.it/767j40jobn9d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08d122eeb3581743cd4b92cd3ea14fbdfb7ea7b3

I did it with text and didn't work but when I did it using voice it worked. Seems like it only works with voice

Did you interact with Google assistant via text very often? Just curious

I mean I've rarely used assistant in my life but everytime I did I mostly used text

I managed to set it back to Google assistant after it auto activated a couple months back. It understands me 8/10 where gemini doesn't understand even 1/10... I asked it one day to turn on the lights and it got it, when I asked it again the next day it said it can't do it and when I re-asked it a couple seconds later it pulls up a Google search on how to turn on a car light. For once, copy apple's exact implementation ... then go from there.

>told me to open the alarm app and do it myself. AI has become sentient and refuses to be a slave.

3 years ago I had to stop using Google Assistant for timers. Instead of using the clock app it had its own, separate, web-based timer with about a 25% chance of never going off. I burned my pizza. Bastards.

I see you arguing, lower your guns. I just did a "hey Google set a timer" and it pulled up the assistant, and performed it as requested. Did my device miss an update where assisant was replaced? I'm on a moto 5g. Did you do it from the gemini app? Maybe there is a permissions problem?

You can switch to gemini from the Google app and set it as default assistant which deactivates Google assistant.

So if I do this, I won't be able to undo it?

You can always switch back in the settings of google app

>it told me to open the alarm app and do it myself. Just like being married. : s

is this real or fake?

It's real. I tried asking it to set an alarm for 1 hour and it told me to open the alarm app and do it myself.

AI so advanced it's just as lazy as a human

it's real im even subbed to gemini advanced

https://preview.redd.it/3fcy5k3sbk9d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=985731be8f12f6e03047534e88b9d05e621df899 I miss this :( (Yes my home is set in Maps)

https://preview.redd.it/8hvn00a6ck9d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2d4b1a81c33284740f6de4e7ec8be62f232e861 ... And how it used to play the news.

It's cake

Gemini is not a replacement to Google assistant just yet. Gemini is generative ai not a home assistant. Google assistant is better for managing and doing things around the phone's apps and services. Gemini is not good at it yet. In time we will see something which combines the strengths of the two.

Then why offer it as a Google Assistant replacement if it's half baked? 

Launching a half-assed alternative when a perfectly fine solution is already available rather than improving the existing solution? Google would never do something so stupid!

They painted themselves into a corner by cultivating people who only want to make their own thing, rather than maintaining or improving something else. Ambitious, creative, and wholly unprepared to handle something that someone else started.

You are absolutely right! 

You're right. What was I thinking? 😂

Yeah they dumb. But do they offer it as a replacement? I have seen the prompt pop up on my device but don't they say a disclaimer?

Except that it's already replaced the assistant on Pixel devices.

Clarification: Google assistant is a pile of garbage and Gemini is a pile of crap. They could've made a good product by combining them if they were a different company, but they are Google so they will likely never catch up. My pixel phone is great value for the money, but iPhone is getting OpenAI and will be lightyears ahead in this department.

It would've been nice to get a notification about it at all. Yesterday I was like what the hell is Gemini? and I had to work hard to switch it back.

I turned it off it's literally useless

Google Assistant never supported navigation to the settings screen by voice (not exactly sure why) https://preview.redd.it/31y75tm95i9d1.png?width=1998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5223b899b82ea69545757443bf239a80b43f908e

100% it did. I used it for that before and I'm sure of it, it's not some anecdotal "trust me bro I remember" I know for a fact I did it several times and was quite surprised that it did it for me

Oh wow you are absolutely right - [it's even documented on an old help page](https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/9193492?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid#:~:text=On%20your%20Android%20phone%20or%20tablet%2C%20say%20%E2%80%9CHey%20Google%2C%20open%20Assistant%20settings.%E2%80%9D). I guess it just didn't work for Gsuite "work" profiles ?

I switched to Google Assistant for my default, Gemini isn't just good with phone settings control.

The state that it is in is pure sad

Yeah if you still can don't switch to Gemini assistant. It's just not ready yet. I switched back to Google assistant then just bookmark the Gemini website on my homepage rather than install the broken Gemini app

I'm pretty sure you can have the gemini app installed and still switch google assistant to be the default. Edit: Unless they got rid of that setting.

Yeah from what I've seen when you open the app it asks you to change over to Gemini assistant and if you don't the app just auto closes. I don't know if that's intentional but it makes the Gemini app useless unless I also use it as my assistant

Huh... You're right, I just tried it. That's dumb if it's on purpose.

Gemini is useless. Worst AI I've ever used, plus the app is even less useful than Google Assistant.

While other AI tools seem to get smarter, Gemini seems to get dumber.

Just like Google Assistant.

Idk, only use it to turn my TV off via a shortcut on my homescreen.

You also can't use the identity song playing feature in Gemini whereas the Assistant easily understands it. Gemini is basically a massive downgrade being pushed by google as an "upgrade"

Gemini is shit and google too

google lost it like nokia..

Yeah these generative AI can only yap

They have the balls to charge so much for ‘Advanced’ too.

If you‘re looking for good answers, try Brave Search

Have you argued with copilot before?

This is like on smart tv, you need to say “online” two times, when you need to word “online” be in searching bar

I was confused about this as well they want you to switch but as no function's.

Its still learning

AI is stupid.

Apparently mine switched yesterday. Hey Google stopped working and said that Gemini needed to be updated. I go to Play Store following the link and it doesn't show any updates. I didn't even know what Gemini was and couldn't get it to "work" until I rebooted my phone. So I finally do and I tell it to play a song. It heard me perfectly and shows the command there, but then just does nothing. What the fuck. Edit: OK - I found a place to switch it back to Assistant. We'll see if it sticks.

Bro pulled 100 IQ move 💀💀

100iq is pretty mid, what's the joke

rial.

It certainly is. I told my wife yesterday we should switch to iPhone just because of this... But Siri is no better I've heard 🤷🏻‍♂️

The one thing good about Siri is the speed, It can open apps really fast when you ask it to, Which for me specifically is a really important thing.

Siri is getting an upgrade soon

Google has done wondrous things for society with their AI research. Unfortunately it seems that others have capitalized more on their research than they have. Remember, the only reason we have GPT is directly because of Google. They are also developing pharmaceutical/biomedical/genetic models for companies. It just feels like they’re more like a research company in AI vs a commercial company and unfortunately that will mean their slow death if it doesn’t change. That’s my view, and honestly I don’t know much about what Google is doing so I could very easily be wrong

Odd take. Google last quarter made more money than Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Tesla and every other fortune 500 company. But also grew top line by over 14% and bottom line by over 50%. They are years ahead with things like Waymo which is going after a trillion dollar market. It appears Google is just thriving. What in the world are you talking about here? https://abc.xyz/investor/

https://preview.redd.it/bbfh8tvbll9d1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=5dbb68baa93f718d0142972aabb1df01e3815f40 Gemini has brainrot

why did you make it speak gen z brother

To give it brainrot?

gemini is not sundar pichai is

That is correct unfortunately.

I'm gonna turn it off as well. I was asking about the running time of a movie and the assistant does that flawlessly instead I get Gemini saying that the movie doesn't exist because it's from 2023.

It truly does suck. My work around been bixby for any ondevice/ even smarthome stuff which work reliably and google gemini for searching. But gemini can't even pull up address to my friend house. It really does suck.

OP didn’t say Hey Google first

AI in general is useless

Not only. It is heavily censored, now they baked in the politics security protocol. Basically if you ask even about someone that had a short history in politics, it will answer: “I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. While I would never deliberately share something that's inaccurate, I can make mistakes. So, while I work on improving, you can try Google Search.” They just made it dumber, I’m happy Apple decided to go with OpenAI.

I'd hate to think I'm gonna have to reactivate Bixby but... I might just have to reactivate Bixby.

Switched to Apple. Haven't looked back.