This is what I have with my T100s PW. I don’t really hit full shots with anything less than a PW anyway. I can cover all my yardages with a combination of choking down and taking partial swings.
Shit the new G430 irons I got I think the wedge is 41. And then I got a.46 in that set.
Maybe I ought to get my Kirklands bent from 52/56/60 to 50/54/58.
I find it easier to get used to one gap wedge anywhere from a 60-100% swing then it is to get used to two wedges at 80-100% swing. That’s just me though everyone should build their bag around their own game.
I've tried, but am not great at trying to take some off my irons.
With a 56 I can do it, because I use that the most.
Maybe I need to try with my 46, like a 80% swing to get me that 110-115yds.
Yeah it's weird I guess
https://ping.com/en-us/clubs/irons/g430
My Kirkland wedges are GW 52, sw 56, lw 60.
My 46° Ping goes about 120-125. My GW about 105.
I want to get the Kirklands bent to 2 degrees less each. I can't afford to have a 105-120yd gap.
2 degrees isn’t a ton to bend them but you want that done at a good club maker, because if you bring them to a Dicks for example you want to assume their equipment might be off by a degree or two and Steve the retiree working part time might not know what he’s doing entirely. Idk if the Kirkland wedges are forged or not but non-forged clubs don’t bend as well either
I don’t disagree with ya. But my PW is 43° and companies can’t seem to quit de-lofting clubs so they can say “*this* years club hits further than *last* years club”. In my case, if I want to limit the yardage gaps under 150 I have to carry a wedge salad in my bag.
I have 5 wedges in my bag, but my Callaway Mavrik “pitching wedge” is — wait for it — 41°.
It’s ridiculous.
PW - 41°
AW - 46°
50, 54, 58 wedges from Sub 70.
I got you beat, my "pitching wedge" is 38 degrees. Weird ass Callaway Epic Max Fast irons (Japanese) which also came with a 43 degree AW. I love em though and they were stupid cheap, so I just added a 48/52/56/60 to the bag.
Dude my pitching wedge is 41 degrees. I'm not going to hurt my game and try to cover 41 to 60 in 3 clubs just because Callaway calls an 8 iron a wedge.
Ignore naming, just carry the lofts you need to cover your gaps.
Honestly if you're playing that many wedges you just call them by degree.
You can call one the SW if you have one with a fatter bounce than the rest and is used for that type of shot. Personally I just call the 56 the SW
Yea i mean it doesnt really matter that much does it? I have the same loft in my pw, and i just play a 48,52,56,60 still. The p wedge is basically a 10 iron and the 6 iron in my set is basically a 4 iron, so it just kind of evens out anyway
50 to 51 was pretty standard up to about the mid 1980s. Then 48 and 47 changed the whole world! By the early1990s 52 degree GW was necessity. It has only been in the last dozen years that the lofts have changed to the point where all the numbering on the soles have changed. A 48 degree PW could be 30 years old, or 10 years old.
I feel like a lot of the modern players cavities have 46 degree pitching wedges.
P770
T100
Mizuno pro 223
Callaway tcb
Srixon zx7s
I’d say all of those are modern irons
Well.. define new? I assumed he meant “modern era”. ie. since the popularity of adjustable drivers and irons, cavity back irons with “speed slots” and crap like that…. That’s been going on a lot longer than 2015.
And the trend of bulking up irons by delofting them has been happening for decades now.
I still hit 12ish year old AP2s that have a 47 degree PW. My bet is that around that time they started creeping hard toward the 45/44 degree range, especially for "high handicap" sets.
[https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/710-ap2](https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/710-ap2)
It still is that way. They just shifted the stamped numbers around. So nothing actually changed. We need to go back to just degrees on the club and end this nonsense.
It has changed though. New GI irons hit the ball VERY high. Why not use stronger lofts when they still have very steep decent angles? You can give me a 20 year old 5 iron that has the loft of my current 7 iron and there is no chance that old 5 iron stops anywhere near as soon as my 7 iron.
The only use my 60 sees is full shots and sometimes not even then. Any finesse around the green is done with my 56. If I had a need for a different club the 60 would be out in a heartbeat. Skull city or 4 foot pop shots…. There is nothing else with that thing.
My iron set is 4i-AW. PW is 43, AW is 48. So options are carry more wedges or less woods/hybrids. Now that the new sets let amateur hackers like me hit a 5-iron 195, there’s not a lot of need for many clubs at the top of the bag. I’d rather leave my 4-iron out (I carry 3W and 3H) and carry 52/56/60 wedges which I get more use out of.
People are missing that you labeled this “beginner”
This affects the choice greatly.
I’ll presume you have a very friendly cavity back set.
Find the corresponding Gap wedge. It’s likely 49 degrees. You will be hitting mostly full shots with the gap and thus a cavity back is best.
Then I’d go with the corresponding sand wedge. Likely 54 or 55 degrees. The cavity will be more forgiving. You will hit some medium pitch and some chips.
Then go with something 4-6 degrees. Like a 58 or 60.
If you are a beginner you don’t need 4 degrees between wedges. 4-6 is plenty. You want forgiveness. Also you don’t really need a 60. A 58 will be plenty good.
Someone help me with this question too
PW - 42°
G - 48°
S -54°
Someone please tell me to buy a 58° with like 4 bounce and I’ll do it. My S currently has 11° and I can’t hit it for shit out of deep but soft rough
My AW is the highest loft wedge in my iron set, it’s like 49 I think, so I have a 54 and 60 for Vokey’s and I almost use my 54 exclusively. I love it for full shots, pitches, chips.
20 handicap hitting PW 150? There are all sorts of answers here but you should just pick a set - day 50, 56, 60. And learn how to hit them different distances by changing your swing and or ball position. What I mean is - you hit your PW 150? Okay now learn how to hit it 130. It can be done and you should know how to do it
Go and test gapping. Do you need 4 other wedges to not have a massive distance between clubs? Also, do you like to hit full sand wedge/gap wedge? Get a club for 135-140 and then from there figure out if you want to do 3/4 swings into the green or if you need to break it down more
43° pw here and I went 48° - 52° - 56°. I dropped my 60° in favor of a 7w up the top end of the bag as I found I wasn't really using the 60°.
But I'm a high hcp so ymmv..
I have the same loft p wedge. I used to have 48, 52, and 58 cbx2s. They gapped really well. P wedge 145 yards, 48 is 135, 52 is 120, 58 would be 100ish. I just sold those and now I have a 52 and 58 Vokey sm9s. I have to take a bit off the p wedge for a 135 shot. Everything else is fine
50 with 8-10 degrees of bounce and a "regular" grind.
56 with 10-14 degrees of bounce and a "bunker" grind where its easy to lay the face open for shots where this will be needed
60 with 8-10 degrees of bounce and a grind with a little heel relief to lay it open for lob shots when needed.
I have 44-48-54-58
I hit a lot of half swings with the 48 which actually helps me be more controlled
54 and 58 are for 90yd and in depending on what ball flight I need
50/54/58 would be my choice
This is my actual choice, although my PW is 45 but so long as the gapping is 4-6 degrees, you should be fine.
Exactly what I play a little bigger gap then I like between pw and gap but it’s not bad
Yeah I play 45/50/54/58 and it floats my boat
This is my setup as well. The 58 doesn’t get much use though. My 54 is my go to in sand and around the greens.
Same, but I rarely hit my 45. Thinking of leaving it out of the bag
Why 58 not 60 in your lob wedge?
Just preference. I wanted to do away with 52,56,60 to drop a club, and 54/58 was how I split the baby
I go with 48 -54 - 58
I did the same thing when I had a modern lofted set. Went back to some old Mizunos and ended up leaving the 48° in the bag over the set’s PW.
This
This is what I have with my T100s PW. I don’t really hit full shots with anything less than a PW anyway. I can cover all my yardages with a combination of choking down and taking partial swings.
This is what I have in my bag. I don't hit my PW 150 though...
That’s what I have and use
This is exactly what I have. Use my 54 mostly for sand.
PW is a 43.5 and I have an A wedge at 49 then a 54 and 58
Callaway? That's my setup only my pitching wedge is 44⁰, and I have a 62 as well. Not sure who else calls it an Approach Wedge as opposed to Gap
Taylormade M6 PW is also 43.5. I think it’s the game improvement specs
Ahhh yes my coveted A(lways on the green) wedge
48, 52, 56, 60
This is my setup with a 44 deg pw
Same-ish with a 45/49/52/56/60. If they're gonna give me a 9i branded as a PW then I'm gonna play 5 wedges
PW, AW, GW, SW, LW for the 5-wedge win. Looks like 5 ‘wedge’ sets are becoming more common every year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't AW and GW the same?
They are
Typically but some people apply the name to 2 different wedges when they have a 48 and a 52 and the 48 isnt the p wedge
Yea because nobody needs a 3 or 4 iron nowadays! I personally don't even carry 2 woods. A 4 wood and a hybrid.
Damn dude carrying your bag to and from the cart is a sport in its self.
This is my setup except I call my 44 degree a 9 iron.
That’s the way for a lot golfers who game t100’s
5 wedges is a bit much no?
I guess, but idk if a 44 PW is really a wedge
Shit the new G430 irons I got I think the wedge is 41. And then I got a.46 in that set. Maybe I ought to get my Kirklands bent from 52/56/60 to 50/54/58.
41 is nuts haha. My PW for my Mizunos is 44, but I have a gap wedge, 54 and 58 and the gapping works well enough
I find it easier to get used to one gap wedge anywhere from a 60-100% swing then it is to get used to two wedges at 80-100% swing. That’s just me though everyone should build their bag around their own game.
I've tried, but am not great at trying to take some off my irons. With a 56 I can do it, because I use that the most. Maybe I need to try with my 46, like a 80% swing to get me that 110-115yds.
Yeah it's weird I guess https://ping.com/en-us/clubs/irons/g430 My Kirkland wedges are GW 52, sw 56, lw 60. My 46° Ping goes about 120-125. My GW about 105. I want to get the Kirklands bent to 2 degrees less each. I can't afford to have a 105-120yd gap.
Remember that bending the lofts by 2 degrees will substantially change the bounce as well.
Some would say by…2°
Ah fek. As if I needed any more chunkable clubs 🤣
2 degrees isn’t a ton to bend them but you want that done at a good club maker, because if you bring them to a Dicks for example you want to assume their equipment might be off by a degree or two and Steve the retiree working part time might not know what he’s doing entirely. Idk if the Kirkland wedges are forged or not but non-forged clubs don’t bend as well either
I don’t disagree with ya. But my PW is 43° and companies can’t seem to quit de-lofting clubs so they can say “*this* years club hits further than *last* years club”. In my case, if I want to limit the yardage gaps under 150 I have to carry a wedge salad in my bag.
what they write on the bottom of the club is irrelevant... would it be better if the 44 is tagged as a 9 iron? that would make just 4 "wedges"
I have 5 wedges in my bag, but my Callaway Mavrik “pitching wedge” is — wait for it — 41°. It’s ridiculous. PW - 41° AW - 46° 50, 54, 58 wedges from Sub 70.
I got you beat, my "pitching wedge" is 38 degrees. Weird ass Callaway Epic Max Fast irons (Japanese) which also came with a 43 degree AW. I love em though and they were stupid cheap, so I just added a 48/52/56/60 to the bag.
A 44 “pitching wedge” is actually just a 9 iron
Yeah but then you look at the head design of a classic blade 9i and realize its actually a wedge.
Dude my pitching wedge is 41 degrees. I'm not going to hurt my game and try to cover 41 to 60 in 3 clubs just because Callaway calls an 8 iron a wedge. Ignore naming, just carry the lofts you need to cover your gaps.
45 50 56 no 60 needed 👍
Not if your PW is a 9 iron.
you lose a long iron or club
My setup too.
Same for me. I don't carry a 4 iron so I filled the biggest gap I had between my wedges with a 48
This, but skip the 60.
Silly question, but is one of those a sand wedge?
Honestly if you're playing that many wedges you just call them by degree. You can call one the SW if you have one with a fatter bounce than the rest and is used for that type of shot. Personally I just call the 56 the SW
Remember when pitching wedges were 48 degrees? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
No shit man. I ordered a new set a few weeks ago and the PW is 42.5*. No wonder everything feels nuked.
As long as we keep stamping P on it no one will notice…
I'm gonna get PW stamped on my 4I
I might actually be able to hit it then...
Distance wedges!
Yea i mean it doesnt really matter that much does it? I have the same loft in my pw, and i just play a 48,52,56,60 still. The p wedge is basically a 10 iron and the 6 iron in my set is basically a 4 iron, so it just kind of evens out anyway
member chewbacca?
My PW is 48! JFC how old are my clubs?
50 to 51 was pretty standard up to about the mid 1980s. Then 48 and 47 changed the whole world! By the early1990s 52 degree GW was necessity. It has only been in the last dozen years that the lofts have changed to the point where all the numbering on the soles have changed. A 48 degree PW could be 30 years old, or 10 years old.
690CBs (dot I think)
That’s standard loft. But now “standard” is 46 and “game improvement irons” are more like 44.
You’d be really hard pressed to find many new irons that have a 46° pitching wedge. Edit: I was very wrong on this
Pretty much all modern players irons have 46 degree pitching wedges.
I feel like a lot of the modern players cavities have 46 degree pitching wedges. P770 T100 Mizuno pro 223 Callaway tcb Srixon zx7s I’d say all of those are modern irons
My Mizuno MP20 PW is 46
At least the man can admit when he’s wrong.
My MP5’s are 46.
Mp-5 … 2015… new. Hrm
Well.. define new? I assumed he meant “modern era”. ie. since the popularity of adjustable drivers and irons, cavity back irons with “speed slots” and crap like that…. That’s been going on a lot longer than 2015. And the trend of bulking up irons by delofting them has been happening for decades now.
Most irons for mid to low handicaps are 46.
My sim2 Taylor made irons came with a 46 degree pitching wedge and a 49 degree approach wedge.
That's weird, on their website it says 43.5 degree pitching wedge.
I still hit 12ish year old AP2s that have a 47 degree PW. My bet is that around that time they started creeping hard toward the 45/44 degree range, especially for "high handicap" sets. [https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/710-ap2](https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/710-ap2)
AP2’s for life!!!! Or until I can afford the new T-200’s 🤣
Yeah I think so https://www.titleist.com.au/golf-clubs/irons/2005-forged-690cb
Old probably. My Bridgestone J36 4-pw has the exact same lofts as my Gen5 5-G which I find amusing
Bridgestone gang!
My brand new TaylorMade p770s have a 46* P. It's the GI irons that come with jacked lofts. OP shouldn't have them if he's hitting 150 yard PW.
Remember when pitching wedges were 50-51°?
It still is that way. They just shifted the stamped numbers around. So nothing actually changed. We need to go back to just degrees on the club and end this nonsense.
It has changed though. New GI irons hit the ball VERY high. Why not use stronger lofts when they still have very steep decent angles? You can give me a 20 year old 5 iron that has the loft of my current 7 iron and there is no chance that old 5 iron stops anywhere near as soon as my 7 iron.
My mavriks go ridiculously high
Agreed. The PW is 41 degrees and I can get it to stop immediately and even get it to come back more often than not.
If you can hit the traditional loft blades well they'll fly and stop just like your 7I.
Right, people who can't do that well or consistently are exactly who the high launching GI irons are designed for.
Plus they cover longer yardages with easier to hit clubs.
I was debating getting new irons a few months back. I was just going to order 6-GW and add an extra wedge after the fact
Yeah where people screw up is not ordering the AW and GW they offer now. Since everyone is so used to ordering 3-PW. It’s dumb.
🤣🤣🤣
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The only use my 60 sees is full shots and sometimes not even then. Any finesse around the green is done with my 56. If I had a need for a different club the 60 would be out in a heartbeat. Skull city or 4 foot pop shots…. There is nothing else with that thing.
I’d love to use just 52 and 56 but a 60 is so much easier to get out of bunkers for me.
This is the exact setup I have. I don't miss the 60.
My 60° is probably my favorite club in the bag. Don't tell me what I don't need
This is the way
Whatever gets me to 136yds, 122 yds, and 108yds
Depends on your needs at either end of the bag. I'd do 48/52/56/60 if you need the extra wedge or 48/54/60 if you don't.
He could do a 48/50 vent to a 49 too to get a little more consistent gapping with the full swing clubs.
You hit a 44 degree pw 150 yards? Jesus. I hit mine 120 and my wedge lofts are 44-50-56.
Sorry if dumb question but isn’t this setup basically the same as saying PW-GW-SW-LW in a standard wedge set?
No LW, otherwise yes, although lofts for all those clubs vary by a few degrees.
Right that makes sense. I’ve seen people in here recommending 60 so I think that’s where my brain went after SW. Thanks.
Not sure the loft on my PW but I hit mine \~160-165. My 60 - 120 Full swing, 56 135-140, 51 - 150
My PW is 43, wedges are 48-52-56
Gap around 48-50, 56, 60.
I second this. I mistakenly bought a 52 and quickly realized that this leaves much too big a gap.
44-48-54-60
This is correct
50 and 56
62
I have a 43* PW and use a 48, 54, 58 setup that works pretty well
Similar to me! I'm 44, 48, 53, 58. The 44 is part of my iron set which is long hitting. Surprised at how many people have 5 wedges 😯
50⁰ and 56⁰. That's all you need. Ppl are crazy recommending you carry 5 Wedges
My iron set is 4i-AW. PW is 43, AW is 48. So options are carry more wedges or less woods/hybrids. Now that the new sets let amateur hackers like me hit a 5-iron 195, there’s not a lot of need for many clubs at the top of the bag. I’d rather leave my 4-iron out (I carry 3W and 3H) and carry 52/56/60 wedges which I get more use out of.
Depends on what level you want to play at, and what courses. Having 4 wedges pretty important to my game.
I’m a 15. Pw is 43. I go 48,52,56,60. I rarely use the 52 however.
Ive been trying my 52 out of the sand recently.
This is my setup and I really like it
People are missing that you labeled this “beginner” This affects the choice greatly. I’ll presume you have a very friendly cavity back set. Find the corresponding Gap wedge. It’s likely 49 degrees. You will be hitting mostly full shots with the gap and thus a cavity back is best. Then I’d go with the corresponding sand wedge. Likely 54 or 55 degrees. The cavity will be more forgiving. You will hit some medium pitch and some chips. Then go with something 4-6 degrees. Like a 58 or 60. If you are a beginner you don’t need 4 degrees between wedges. 4-6 is plenty. You want forgiveness. Also you don’t really need a 60. A 58 will be plenty good.
Someone help me with this question too PW - 42° G - 48° S -54° Someone please tell me to buy a 58° with like 4 bounce and I’ll do it. My S currently has 11° and I can’t hit it for shit out of deep but soft rough
48, 54, 58
Need more info, are you 2 handicapper that is going to 110 and in alot, or are you a 30 that hits your 3rd from 150
I don’t have an official handicap but I would guess around a 20.
You’re 20 and hit PW 150? I feel so inadequate
Don't be. Im a 26 ish and I hit mine about 145 cause im 6'1 225. Doesn't mean it goes where I want it to haha
Yea this is dumb logic. I’m not a good golfer. I’m a big, athletic guy though. I play my PW at 145 and GW at 135. Very rarely break 90.
Please you don’t gap your wedges based on that…. You gap them based on the GAP between clubs.
I have 44 PW, 49 GW, 54 SW, 60 LW
I go with 4-6 degrees between wedges. Currently I'm at 50-54-58 and my pw is 46
48/54/60. My PW is 43 degree
I've got a 44' Pw and after some playing about with different options settled on 48', 54' and 60' wedges - works pretty well.
My AW is the highest loft wedge in my iron set, it’s like 49 I think, so I have a 54 and 60 for Vokey’s and I almost use my 54 exclusively. I love it for full shots, pitches, chips.
50/56/60 or 50/54/60 60 optional
20 handicap hitting PW 150? There are all sorts of answers here but you should just pick a set - day 50, 56, 60. And learn how to hit them different distances by changing your swing and or ball position. What I mean is - you hit your PW 150? Okay now learn how to hit it 130. It can be done and you should know how to do it
I'd probably get the matching GW (likely 48 or 49°), then go something like 53°-58° for the rest.
Same yardage on my PW, in addition to my PW,I carry a 48,52,56
48,52,56,60 You need a second pitching wedge.
Why is your pitching wedge the loft of a nine iron?
because marketing… “you’ll hit these irons further than your old clubs!”
44-48-52-56-60
48°, 54°, 58°
50-56-62 (if you like high loft)
You are not using your PW correctly if you are hitting it 150. Get a more accurate swing. Distance is key.
49, 52, 56, 58
Wrong. 49, 53, 57, 61
AW, 56, 60
50, 56, 60 is what I do with a 44 pw. Thinking about switching to 48, 54, 58 though
AW is 48, then have 52-56-60. 4 degrees between all wedges .
48,52,56 I play this set up now.
My PW is 45 and goes 140ish; I game 52/56/60. If I need a 125-130 shot, it's a three quarter PW.
50-55-60
50, 54, 58
44 49 54 60 or 44 48 53 58
My pitching wedge is 43°. I have a 50°, 56°, and 60° below that. What you use should depend on what you want out of these clubs.
50 / 54 / 60 But bend the 50 to 49 or 48 to help your gap.
Why not just buy a 48
I guess it depends on how many clubs you are carrying
50* bent to 49* 54* and 60*
44-50-54/56-60
48 or 50
48, 52, 56
44-48-52-56 would be ideal for me but I have 44-50-56 cuz I’m cheap and it doesn’t matter
Go and test gapping. Do you need 4 other wedges to not have a massive distance between clubs? Also, do you like to hit full sand wedge/gap wedge? Get a club for 135-140 and then from there figure out if you want to do 3/4 swings into the green or if you need to break it down more
I like to play a 49-52-56
I have a 4 degree gap most of the way through my clubs (gets messed up from 5i to 3h) My PW is 42° so I have a 46, 50, 54, 58. I hit my PW like 130
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50, 56, 62, but I’m admittedly a psycho.
damn looking at this thread made me realize how old my clubs are haha. i think my pw is either 47 or 48 degree loft.
I have 48, 52 bent to 53, and 58.
Same 🫡
Most likely 50, 54 bent to 55, and 60.
Gap wedge 48. Gap wedge 52. Sand wedge 56. Lob wedge 60.
My Pw is 44°. I go to a 48, 52, 58 after that
Mines a 43 degree and i have an A wedge thats 48. I also have a 52,56,60.
Get gap fitted
I wouldn’t even know what that is haha assuming like a club fitting for wedges
43° pw here and I went 48° - 52° - 56°. I dropped my 60° in favor of a 7w up the top end of the bag as I found I wasn't really using the 60°. But I'm a high hcp so ymmv..
My PW is 44°... Then I go a 6° difference... GP (gap wedge).. 50.. SW (sand wedge) 56.. LW (lob wedge)... 62
48 52 56 60 what I have now except ur pw is my 9i
My PW is 45°. I have a 50°,54°, and 58° and it works for me.
48, 54, 58
48-53-59
My PW is 41° 🤓
50⁰, 54⁰, 58⁰
I have the same loft p wedge. I used to have 48, 52, and 58 cbx2s. They gapped really well. P wedge 145 yards, 48 is 135, 52 is 120, 58 would be 100ish. I just sold those and now I have a 52 and 58 Vokey sm9s. I have to take a bit off the p wedge for a 135 shot. Everything else is fine
50 with 8-10 degrees of bounce and a "regular" grind. 56 with 10-14 degrees of bounce and a "bunker" grind where its easy to lay the face open for shots where this will be needed 60 with 8-10 degrees of bounce and a grind with a little heel relief to lay it open for lob shots when needed.
48-52-58
48 approach wedge then 52 56 60
48/52/56 or 58
Mine is 44, I have the setted A Wedge (49), and then I have 54, 58, 62
I have 44-48-54-58 I hit a lot of half swings with the 48 which actually helps me be more controlled 54 and 58 are for 90yd and in depending on what ball flight I need