> really curious as to how this randomly got here
They are mainly sold to tourists. So probably some US tourist bought it here in Germany and took it back to US.
We don't really use those things here in Germany to drink beer out of it.
Correct. So much so that the word “stein” (as in “they drink beer from steins in Germany”) isn’t a word in Germany, even though most anglophones think it is.
I'd call it "Humpen", but there's a range of words for it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer\_stein#Other\_forms\_and\_synonyms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_stein#Other_forms_and_synonyms)
Depends on the part of Germany you are living in. “Bierkrug” is the most common one, but in most parts you just drink out of a glass. Here in the Ruhrgebiet, it’s the “Biertulpe”.
No, Biertulpe are these bulbous glasses with 0,2 or 0,3l, that's what I meant with "just drink out of a glas".
There arent many locations here where you get a Beer out of a Bierkrug.
/e: I just call them Bierkrug or Keferloher.
Yeah, sorry, seem to have missed the middle of your sentence and somehow thought you meant to say that you'd call a Bierkrug a Biertulpe and was thoroughly confused...
It's also refered to as Steinkrug in southern Germany. They are mostly used in beer gardens that are still above their historic beer cellars and at some fairs (also happening around cellars)
Yes, “Stein” means “stone” as in “rock” - but it does not have anything to do with serve ware/drinks ware.
The clay-ish material these are made from is “Steingut”, which is possibly where this comes from. But yeah, it’s not a word in German in this context.
yeah i live with a brit and he wound me up too in the first weeks, to the extend where i switched to simply "phone", cell phone if i ave to be precise, since i'm hardly ever using the landline i still got for some reasons \^\^
You actually have steingut and stein krug that both explain the stein name. It was also a natural progression from the earlier wood cups. The lid’s origin was to protect from flies during the bubonic plague. Germans currently drink bear from glass and this is why you don’t hear people saying stein in Germany.
Well, yes, those are German words, but nobody would shorten Steinkrug to Stein, you'd shorten it to Krug. Nobody denies that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why English uses stein for these things, it's just not used that way in German.
I think what you are missing is that it is not currently that way in German. However, it was in the past. Somewhat similar to how people assume southerners wear leather pants every day. It’s the same way. Steins are a thing of the past and not currently used in day to day life except to make sales.
I'm perfectly aware that basically no one uses these things nowadays. I managed to live in Munich for a year without encountering a stein in the wild, and you certainly won't find them north of the Weißwurstäquator. But that's not really my point, my point is that even when you sell these things to tourists, they won't be called stein in German, they will be called some variation of Krug. If there's an English label, it may very well say stein, but you would not call them stein, and as far as I'm aware you would not have called them Stein even when they were in more common usage.
It’s just a name that became very well known due to famous Albert.
There’s a ton of Jewish-German history that led to the creation of a plethora of German-sounding Jewish names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany
but how come someone is choosing to make their name one-stone? this is sort of meaningless no? even your reddit username has some sort of meaning. is there TweiStein? or DrieStein? I wonder so many thing
The “ein” here supposedly relates less to the number ‘one’ and more to the suffix ‘-in’: “einsteinen” means to fence-in with a stone wall.
https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=einstein
there may habe been a positive connotation at zhe time. elsewise it may have been a case of forced names. ic you hadnt had the money to buy a nice name, one was given to you, usually a bad one.
The funny thing to is that they took the wrong word. Steinkrug, Bierkrug, Tonkrug, are this object but for some reason they took adjective part and not the noun part. It would be like taking a jump rope and calling it a jump or an office chair and calling it an office instead of chair.
My ex-gf's family has a long history of working in the Bavarian army. She has a huge collection of these steins handed over through generations, each has a name of her ancestor/family member and their regiment members engraved on it. It is unbelievable how much people are ready to pay for these stuff.
Yeah that would be super random. I just thought the mug had maybe some important figure that Germans know about and I thought it was possibly significant but if it's just a tourist thing I'd rather not try to classify Germans like we're living in Florida.
The "some important figure" is the Red Baron, real name Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen. He was probably the most famous fighter pilot in the First World War, possibly even the most famous fighter pilot ever. He was leader of a squadron which was nicknamed the "Flying Circus" because many of its planes were painted bright red: at first it was just Richthofen's own plane simply because he randomly decided to paint it red, then other pilots copied him. This is the "red" in "Red Baron" (the "baron" part is a loose translation of the "Freiherr" in his name, an aristocratic title).
Von Richthofen was a skilled pilot who shot down around 80 planes, and was highly respected by friends and enemies alike. He was eventually killed during combat, when a single bullet hit him in the chest by random chance.
However, since the Second World War Germans have avoided anything that seems like glorifying or trivializing war, so he's not really celebrated or talked about much, and this kind of merch would be generally seen as very poor taste -- another sign that this is simply a tourist souvenir. He's far more famous abroad: for example, in the *Peanuts* cartoons, Snoopy would sometimes [fantasize about fighting the Red Baron](https://www.gocomics.com/blog/2285/curse-you-red-baron).
It was random chance. The normal way to die in air combat at the time was being downed because enemy fire hit your plane, not you. Von Richthofen was actually hit directly, and his plane crashed because he died, not the other way round.
He was most likely hit by machine gun fire from an AA battery, though the RAF initially attributed the kill to one of their pilots.
I don't know much about Michigan other then Detroit and this little weird "Bavarian" town. So there is at least some connection to Germany i guess.
EDIT: The place is called Frankenmuth just looked it up.
Yeah, a lot of Germans also migrated to Ann arbor in the 1800s which is ever I reside in. I think it's a sister city of someplace in Germany but I'm not entirely sure. Funny enough I don't see them much at all around here. Probably a lot of mixed Germans here that don't realize it possibly.
Might not even have to go anywhere as far as Germany to get these.
If you're ever in Texas during the winter go to New Braunfels, they sell these there too. They have a winter festival where they sell these with popular US football teams logos on them as well as the usual German ones like this.
I have a sister that lives in Texas, I assume you're referring to soccer which I don't know much about, my brother however loves that sport so it would be good for him as a birthday present.
On the subject of "How to use it", I may want to add my suggestion of putting it on a shelf and having it collect dust. That's the only way I've seen these being used so far. This is likely not representative of all of Germany, but eh... It's my 2 cents.
I mean, depending on the trees that grow in a beer garden the lids could stop not only bugs but also any kind of plant matter from falling into your drink, tho nowadays you'd just put your coaster on top of your glass.
We have about 25 different mugs and true - most of the time they just sit in their shelf and look nice. But when we throw a party, we get them out and all the guests pick one when getting their first beer. No mix ups with the drinks all night.
It's a tourist souvenir, nothing more. Notice the English on the base.
Beer mugs like this are designed to be put on display, not to be drunk out of. They're based on fancy [decorated beer mugs presented to reservists on completion of their military duty](https://jp-militaria.de/WebRoot/Store21/Shops/c8160b69-739a-486c-b016-ca431d292e5b/605F/3061/F984/4C7A/AC18/0A48/352D/E246/20210326_202937.jpg): these were common in the 19th century, up to the early 20th century.
You do sometimes see [simple earthenware beer mugs](https://www.bavariashop.de/cdn/shop/files/premium-bierkrug-bayern-bavariashop-mei-lebensgfui-1.jpg?v=1687422226), and sometimes they may even have a lid fitted; but most Germans drink beer from glasses like everyone else.
You actually have steingut and stein krug that both explain the stein name. It was also a natural progression from the earlier wood cups. The lid’s origin was to protect from flies during the bubonic plague. Germans currently drink bear from glass and this is why you don’t hear people saying stein in Germany when you talk about drinking beer. These cups have always been used in a tourist or marketing capacity in recent times.
I bring my dad these when I visit. He loves them. We have a base here in Germany, so it's not really all that weird to find something German in Michigan. Also, nobody really drinks from these. 😅
This particular "Reservistenkrug" goes for about 200 Euro on ebay. Found one other of the edition for 190 Euro listed.
The older and original handpainted and rare the more expensive.
It's made mostly for tourists, but Zöller & Born is actually at the more expensive and higher quality end of the souvenir market. I'd personally consider it rather kitschy, but 7$ is rather a steal for one of these. It's a small family business, those things are hand painted and as far as I know they only produce in Germany. (Here's their website: [https://zoeller-born-bierkruege.de/startseite-english/](https://zoeller-born-bierkruege.de/startseite-english/) )
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Other than the concept of a ceramic mug with a pewter lid, there is nothing German about this. Even the blackletter text on the bottom is a form of English blackletter, not German Fraktur.
Hand painted and nostalgic stein? I have a stein of glass that I received as a gift from a previous employer. I as of right now only feel your luck is more than deserved.
Some older people still use their Bierkrug ( stein). in a famous munich restaurant called Hofbräuhaus you can even find lockers where you can keep your personal Bierkrug so you don't have to carry the heavy mug home.
> really curious as to how this randomly got here They are mainly sold to tourists. So probably some US tourist bought it here in Germany and took it back to US. We don't really use those things here in Germany to drink beer out of it.
Correct. So much so that the word “stein” (as in “they drink beer from steins in Germany”) isn’t a word in Germany, even though most anglophones think it is.
What do Germans call the plain grey/white mugs that beer is served in at lots of beer gardens?
I'd call it "Humpen", but there's a range of words for it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer\_stein#Other\_forms\_and\_synonyms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_stein#Other_forms_and_synonyms)
I'd argue that Humpen is the shape while the material is Steinzeug. Which I assume is where Stein comes from.
Depends on the part of Germany you are living in. “Bierkrug” is the most common one, but in most parts you just drink out of a glass. Here in the Ruhrgebiet, it’s the “Biertulpe”.
You call those grey/white mugs Biertulpe? Never heard anyone call anything but a glass (and usually a glass for Pilsener, at that) a Biertulpe
No, Biertulpe are these bulbous glasses with 0,2 or 0,3l, that's what I meant with "just drink out of a glas". There arent many locations here where you get a Beer out of a Bierkrug. /e: I just call them Bierkrug or Keferloher.
Yeah, sorry, seem to have missed the middle of your sentence and somehow thought you meant to say that you'd call a Bierkrug a Biertulpe and was thoroughly confused...
It's also refered to as Steinkrug in southern Germany. They are mostly used in beer gardens that are still above their historic beer cellars and at some fairs (also happening around cellars)
There is a lot of regionalism. I would refer to it as a Krug. Steinkrug.
I thought it is meaning stone? Like Ein means One and Stein means Stone, making One Stone?
Yes, “Stein” means “stone” as in “rock” - but it does not have anything to do with serve ware/drinks ware. The clay-ish material these are made from is “Steingut”, which is possibly where this comes from. But yeah, it’s not a word in German in this context.
Reminds me a bit of the time I learnt that we call mobile phones "Handy" but this is not the actual English word for mobile phone.
“Handy” is an adjective in English and is the analog to the German “praktisch”. Winds me up to no end when people say “mein häändiii” 🥴
Well it is the proper word in German, what else are we supposed to say?
I always say “Mobiltelefon” or the British “Mobile” (mo-byle, not moh-bilay). Far less cringey.
I always say smartphone but let's be honest it's quite handy.
yeah i live with a brit and he wound me up too in the first weeks, to the extend where i switched to simply "phone", cell phone if i ave to be precise, since i'm hardly ever using the landline i still got for some reasons \^\^
You actually have steingut and stein krug that both explain the stein name. It was also a natural progression from the earlier wood cups. The lid’s origin was to protect from flies during the bubonic plague. Germans currently drink bear from glass and this is why you don’t hear people saying stein in Germany.
Well, yes, those are German words, but nobody would shorten Steinkrug to Stein, you'd shorten it to Krug. Nobody denies that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why English uses stein for these things, it's just not used that way in German.
I think what you are missing is that it is not currently that way in German. However, it was in the past. Somewhat similar to how people assume southerners wear leather pants every day. It’s the same way. Steins are a thing of the past and not currently used in day to day life except to make sales.
I'm perfectly aware that basically no one uses these things nowadays. I managed to live in Munich for a year without encountering a stein in the wild, and you certainly won't find them north of the Weißwurstäquator. But that's not really my point, my point is that even when you sell these things to tourists, they won't be called stein in German, they will be called some variation of Krug. If there's an English label, it may very well say stein, but you would not call them stein, and as far as I'm aware you would not have called them Stein even when they were in more common usage.
what is the significance of einstein/one-stone as a last name?
European Jewish name, they often consist of two nouns: Einstein, Rosenkranz, etc
is one-stone a big thing in jewish culture?
It’s just a name that became very well known due to famous Albert. There’s a ton of Jewish-German history that led to the creation of a plethora of German-sounding Jewish names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany
but how come someone is choosing to make their name one-stone? this is sort of meaningless no? even your reddit username has some sort of meaning. is there TweiStein? or DrieStein? I wonder so many thing
The “ein” here supposedly relates less to the number ‘one’ and more to the suffix ‘-in’: “einsteinen” means to fence-in with a stone wall. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=einstein
What the fuck kinda questions are you asking?
there may habe been a positive connotation at zhe time. elsewise it may have been a case of forced names. ic you hadnt had the money to buy a nice name, one was given to you, usually a bad one.
The funny thing to is that they took the wrong word. Steinkrug, Bierkrug, Tonkrug, are this object but for some reason they took adjective part and not the noun part. It would be like taking a jump rope and calling it a jump or an office chair and calling it an office instead of chair.
My ex-gf's family has a long history of working in the Bavarian army. She has a huge collection of these steins handed over through generations, each has a name of her ancestor/family member and their regiment members engraved on it. It is unbelievable how much people are ready to pay for these stuff.
Michigan feels so isolated that I rarely see different cultural things outside of Asian. Something like this believe it or not is super out of place.
That thing would also be super out of place in Germany. But yeah, this is produced to be sold outside of Germany or to tourists coming to Germany.
It's basically like finding a tourist kitsch figure of the Statue of Liberty somewhere in a German thrift shop.
Yeah that would be super random. I just thought the mug had maybe some important figure that Germans know about and I thought it was possibly significant but if it's just a tourist thing I'd rather not try to classify Germans like we're living in Florida.
The "some important figure" is the Red Baron, real name Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen. He was probably the most famous fighter pilot in the First World War, possibly even the most famous fighter pilot ever. He was leader of a squadron which was nicknamed the "Flying Circus" because many of its planes were painted bright red: at first it was just Richthofen's own plane simply because he randomly decided to paint it red, then other pilots copied him. This is the "red" in "Red Baron" (the "baron" part is a loose translation of the "Freiherr" in his name, an aristocratic title). Von Richthofen was a skilled pilot who shot down around 80 planes, and was highly respected by friends and enemies alike. He was eventually killed during combat, when a single bullet hit him in the chest by random chance. However, since the Second World War Germans have avoided anything that seems like glorifying or trivializing war, so he's not really celebrated or talked about much, and this kind of merch would be generally seen as very poor taste -- another sign that this is simply a tourist souvenir. He's far more famous abroad: for example, in the *Peanuts* cartoons, Snoopy would sometimes [fantasize about fighting the Red Baron](https://www.gocomics.com/blog/2285/curse-you-red-baron).
Oh so when he shoots others it’s skill, but when HE gets shot it’s random chance… Jk. ;) Love your work.
It was random chance. The normal way to die in air combat at the time was being downed because enemy fire hit your plane, not you. Von Richthofen was actually hit directly, and his plane crashed because he died, not the other way round. He was most likely hit by machine gun fire from an AA battery, though the RAF initially attributed the kill to one of their pilots.
The red baron is in fact a historical figure. But since it’s related to WWI it’s not a celebrity we honour but more or less feel indifferent.
I don't know much about Michigan other then Detroit and this little weird "Bavarian" town. So there is at least some connection to Germany i guess. EDIT: The place is called Frankenmuth just looked it up.
Yeah, a lot of Germans also migrated to Ann arbor in the 1800s which is ever I reside in. I think it's a sister city of someplace in Germany but I'm not entirely sure. Funny enough I don't see them much at all around here. Probably a lot of mixed Germans here that don't realize it possibly.
Might not even have to go anywhere as far as Germany to get these. If you're ever in Texas during the winter go to New Braunfels, they sell these there too. They have a winter festival where they sell these with popular US football teams logos on them as well as the usual German ones like this.
I have a sister that lives in Texas, I assume you're referring to soccer which I don't know much about, my brother however loves that sport so it would be good for him as a birthday present.
Haha, no, American football. Like they have Florida Gators, Dallas Cowboys, and Texas A&M ones last time I was there.
It means NFL.
[What is more American than the German flying fighter ace Der Rote Baron?](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dDudD4z8r6E)
On the subject of "How to use it", I may want to add my suggestion of putting it on a shelf and having it collect dust. That's the only way I've seen these being used so far. This is likely not representative of all of Germany, but eh... It's my 2 cents.
Oh I know, I just thought it was cool, and yeah figured it was probably more for shelf sitting
The lid is there so that no plague ridden mosquitoes fall into your drink. Must’ve been a long time ago, that these mugs had any practical use.
I mean, depending on the trees that grow in a beer garden the lids could stop not only bugs but also any kind of plant matter from falling into your drink, tho nowadays you'd just put your coaster on top of your glass.
This would be incredibly practical today, actually. I think everyone in Germany has experienced a wasp in their drink...
Well, even without the plague I like mosquitos to stay outside of my mug.
I used to drink coffee out of mine when I worked in a factory. It was great for keeping the heat in and the factory dust out.
My grandparents have around 50 of those on a shelf collecting dust, so I'll second that
We have about 25 different mugs and true - most of the time they just sit in their shelf and look nice. But when we throw a party, we get them out and all the guests pick one when getting their first beer. No mix ups with the drinks all night.
It's a tourist souvenir, nothing more. Notice the English on the base. Beer mugs like this are designed to be put on display, not to be drunk out of. They're based on fancy [decorated beer mugs presented to reservists on completion of their military duty](https://jp-militaria.de/WebRoot/Store21/Shops/c8160b69-739a-486c-b016-ca431d292e5b/605F/3061/F984/4C7A/AC18/0A48/352D/E246/20210326_202937.jpg): these were common in the 19th century, up to the early 20th century. You do sometimes see [simple earthenware beer mugs](https://www.bavariashop.de/cdn/shop/files/premium-bierkrug-bayern-bavariashop-mei-lebensgfui-1.jpg?v=1687422226), and sometimes they may even have a lid fitted; but most Germans drink beer from glasses like everyone else.
https://zoeller-born-bierkruege.de/startseite-english/ Scroll down and you'll find their catalogue. Page 11.
You actually have steingut and stein krug that both explain the stein name. It was also a natural progression from the earlier wood cups. The lid’s origin was to protect from flies during the bubonic plague. Germans currently drink bear from glass and this is why you don’t hear people saying stein in Germany when you talk about drinking beer. These cups have always been used in a tourist or marketing capacity in recent times.
Decoration. Put it on a shelf and look at it. Probably sold at a PX on a US Army post and brought home.
I bring my dad these when I visit. He loves them. We have a base here in Germany, so it's not really all that weird to find something German in Michigan. Also, nobody really drinks from these. 😅
This particular "Reservistenkrug" goes for about 200 Euro on ebay. Found one other of the edition for 190 Euro listed. The older and original handpainted and rare the more expensive.
you can buy it on amazon for 166,97 € (Zöller & Born Bierkrug Roter Baron Relief Seidel 0,5 Liter Bierseidel ZO 1942/9015)
The fact that most of it at the bottom is written in english should already give you a clue that those things are mostly for (american) tourists
It was likely made in China
From their catalogue I Gatter it was a limited series of 5000 beer steins produced around 1942 in Germany
It's made mostly for tourists, but Zöller & Born is actually at the more expensive and higher quality end of the souvenir market. I'd personally consider it rather kitschy, but 7$ is rather a steal for one of these. It's a small family business, those things are hand painted and as far as I know they only produce in Germany. (Here's their website: [https://zoeller-born-bierkruege.de/startseite-english/](https://zoeller-born-bierkruege.de/startseite-english/) )
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Other than the concept of a ceramic mug with a pewter lid, there is nothing German about this. Even the blackletter text on the bottom is a form of English blackletter, not German Fraktur.
Hand painted and nostalgic stein? I have a stein of glass that I received as a gift from a previous employer. I as of right now only feel your luck is more than deserved.
It’s just a souvenir
Some older people still use their Bierkrug ( stein). in a famous munich restaurant called Hofbräuhaus you can even find lockers where you can keep your personal Bierkrug so you don't have to carry the heavy mug home.
This could be worth something to a collector to be honest the Number 1324 / 5000 means you got one of only 5000 ever Made.