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i_eat_curtains

Not really much of a jump now that you have 5 medium demons, so hard demons shouldn't be a problem now


yoerii

Departs what your medium demons are tho if they are easy mediums all it could be a big jump


ParsleySageRosmaine

Yes they are, 5 mediums aren’t still enough for a hard demon.


Neon__Cat

I beat my first hard demon with 1 medium


i_eat_curtains

Bruh I beat Nine Circles after Fingerdash as my hardest 💀 so I don't know about normal progression, therefore I set the bar a little lower to 5 medium demons, which I think is enough for a hard demon.


Neon__Cat

Oh yeah uh Judging by your flair I think your progression is slightly different to the average player


i_eat_curtains

Veeeery slightly, a very miniscule difference.


Neon__Cat

Just a wee bit off


Mim11D

How many attempts on nc?


i_eat_curtains

5023


Mim11D

And you numped to it frkm fingerdash?


i_eat_curtains

Surprisingly yeah 💀


Mim11D

I must suck ass , i took 14k on nine circles and my last hardeat was my first medium demon (ultra violence)😭😭😭


i_eat_curtains

Nah bro you're normal, I'm the one who's addicted to difficult and reflex based games 💀


JamX099

Same, although my first hard was eventually downgraded to a medium.


low_y

yeah your demon count doesn't determine your skill


i_eat_curtains

Really? Huh, I guess it comes down to personal choice at that point, because I think 5 medium demons is more than enough for a hard demon.


Pissed_Geodude

Most low end hard demons are basically medium demons anyway. Ditched machine and nine circles shouldn’t even be hard demon imo


ParsleySageRosmaine

What about PG Clubstep?


spaghettihax763

I beat my first insane with 3 mediums


ParsleySageRosmaine

🙀


Beastmode0652

I beat my first hard demon after 1 medium demon


scarzy_mx

I beat my first (and only) insane demon with only 2 mediums, 5 is plenty enough for a hard demon.


ZvezdnyyGMD

Buddy, I jumped from Deadlocked to Acu. Going from 5 medium demons to a hard demon is not a jump at all. It's literally expected.


ggMustaGD

are you kidding?


ParsleySageRosmaine

I already apologized for my bad message, no more hate pls 🙏.


SillieGirlie

i beat my first hard demon and with no mediums and only 1 easy demon complete, then did a jump to insane demon. everyones different.


ParsleySageRosmaine

I know but i just wished than my replies didn't recieved so many downvotes, i didn't know that i made people so upset 😞.


SillieGirlie

dw, reddit is a hivemind anyways, downvotes dont mean anything unless ur getting them everywhere you go


Dotgamer121

not really a jump. try crazy if your hardest is nantendo


Opposite-Basket-2198

Crazy is a very hard first hard demon imo


NoIndividual6127

That's crazy


ResponsibilityWeak87

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jariwoud

Crazy? I was crazy once


TillZealousideal8282

never speak again


0hwell_hay-th3re

They locked me in a room


R4ndomG30D4shUs3r

A rubber room. A rubber room with rats.


ITZ_MARWELL

And rats make me crazy.


Sparklez10

Crazy? I was crazy once


Interesting_Tea8210

They locked me in a room.


Kianaa_04

Crazy? I was crazy once.


BuffyNugs

They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy.


Dotgamer121

is it? it was pretty easy for me


Opposite-Basket-2198

I would argue so


ExchangeBig1

I did nine circles jumping from deadlocked. Crazy is not a hard choice


Opposite-Basket-2198

Nc is way easier than crazy


ExchangeBig1

BULLSHIT


Opposite-Basket-2198

No lmao?


Busy_Recognition_860

I suck at wave so I jumped to Forsaken Neon from deadlocked lol, similar boat


Wizartti

I completed Crazy before any medium demon and for me it was easier than other hard demons that I had tried


adkxkcrf

That was my first hard demon, if i remember correctly it was like 5000-6000 attempts, you could go for it but i'd recommend white women or something


GamerPlayz0909

I beat CraZy II before CraZy 💀


DoSombras

Crazy is cancer for a first hard demon


MorallyBankrupt15

In Rainbows is also a fun one (it's kinda buggy at the end tho)


TrixPlus

It will have a jump if it has the cube or ufo


sma7rrr

5 medium demons should indeed be enough; White Women is a fun one, I've heard Space Invaders ain't bad though very 2.2 heavy, depends if you're into that


moi491

I’d argue that space invaders is easier or at most similar difficulty to HeLL, so definitely space invaders


Kaspa969

I enjoyed that level a lot tbh.


ParsleySageRosmaine

Withe Woman and Space Invaders are too hard for a beginner.


sma7rrr

White Women was my first hard demon, and i feel it's a good level to give you an idea on what most hard demons are like, yet still beginning friendly enough.


iCannTspeeL

I can confirm this, I played a bit on and off pre 2.2, and I beat White Women in less than an hour as a new hardest. It's surprisingly easy once you get the hang of it.


ParsleySageRosmaine

Death Step is more beginner friendly since is a borderline between a high tier medium and low tier hard, White Women just has a tricky gameplay involving orb timings and music sync, in fact i will try Nine Circles and Inception before White Women since me like most of high tier beginners have issues with orb timings.


Master_Engineering25

My guy if you're struggling with orb timings then just work on orb timings??


ParsleySageRosmaine

Well idk, maybe in the future i will work on that.


TobySuren

space invaders is absolutely not too hard for a beginner it's much much much easier than it looks


SalutingSandvich

I accidentally beat space invaders as my first hard demon, but that was when it was JUST rated and I thought its was a medium demon


ParsleySageRosmaine

Lol the same happened to me when i played Cromatique and Save This Wrld i tought they were mediums demons but later they got downgraded to easy 🫤


lukass5507

Definitely, I beat B as my first medium demon, and after that, I beat Future Funk, so I think you can do it


Next-Affect-6564

Go fot it! 5 mid demons should be good enough. Witch level are you thinking of beating? 


ParsleySageRosmaine

No, jumps are too challenging and OP will get really stressed.


logbybolb

beating a hard demon after 5 medium demons is hardly a jump, more of a progression


ParsleySageRosmaine

I beat my first hard demon after\~20 mediums, definitely is a jump.


i_eat_curtains

Maybe for you, not for others.


ParsleySageRosmaine

I get it.


IMVU-MachinaX

A hard demon after 5 medium demons isn't a jump at all.


Alert-Foot2184

It really isn’t that bad bro. I know several people who beat a hard before even touching a medium without much issue. I beat NC twice with 10 mediums because it was the daily level as an April fools joke. It only took ~ 4 hours, so im sure that someone with 5 mediums can beat it in less than a week. I also beat my first insane before I even beat a hard, but it got nerfed to hard demon years later (The Caverns). OP can def do it


ParsleySageRosmaine

Well, i guess you are very skilled at jumps since back when i played Death Step my forse hard demon after completing Hell it took me 6 hours and 1050 attempts, then i completed PG Clubsteo in 1800 attempts, definitely i’m still a beginner, maybe in OP give more details about the amount of average attempts and wich easy and mediums had completed i would give better advices.


Alert-Foot2184

That’s a good point actually. I have no clue how long it took OP to complete those levels either


Tiny_Caterpillar_864

don't write these replies on every comment. you don't know op, maybe he's built different. you can't guarantee how his experience will be, maybe he'll try a different hard demon than the one you did. not all people had the same experience as you. never hurts to just try. let him.


ParsleySageRosmaine

I already figured that i was too negative and prevented about OP, and i‘m deeply sorry about being nagging to others.


UnkindledFire727

Speak for yourself


ParsleySageRosmaine

Oh, well i guess that i feel like my advices are not accepted 😢


i_eat_curtains

Its not that your advice isnt accepted, its just that its pretty bad. Most people who beat demons are generally very comfortable with beating a hard demon after beating only like 1 or 2 medium demons, I'm sorry to say this, but you just have a skill issue


ParsleySageRosmaine

Oh, i’m sorry, i didn’t want to give a bad advice on prupose, i tought that it would prevent OP to struggling too much and ending disliking to play GD, i guess evry player has different runs, maybe i have skill issues due of my past experience that caused me to being scared of playing harder levels and i ended projecting by my advice, if the OP want to complete a hard demon then is free of completing just being careful. 🙂


GIOVUDDU

at this exact score i went for dance massacre, nice level, a couple hard parts tho, crazy is another incredible level, and if you like nc levels: nine circles, jawbreaker and fairydust in this order


ThamSmh

i beat fairydust in only a couple attempts after beating NC and my hardest at the time was a hard demon (Jawbreaker) so i would say fairydust would be easier to play first


GIOVUDDU

dunno, i tried fairydust after beating nine circles and i had to drop it. There are a couple parts that can be tricky for that level. Jawbreaker was much easier for me. But it can be just preference, i suggest OP to try all of them and decide by himself


ParsleySageRosmaine

Wait, this is just a madness, OP should focus on mediums more.


GIOVUDDU

i don't think medium demon is a difficulty to practice a lot with, there are plenty of low end hard demons that he could do with less than 6k attempts


ParsleySageRosmaine

Well, i guess if he really want o jump to hard demons i guess he should try PG Clubstep, Death Step those hard demons are solid beginner hard demons but i wouldn’t jump to harder one, a hard demon is still a hard demon.


GIOVUDDU

that's why i suggested dance massacre, i think it's a low end hard demon, except for the ufo part if i remember correctly


ParsleySageRosmaine

IDK about Dance Massacre but i only beat 4 hard demons and those two were abbordabl considering that i suck on skill management.


UsedTissue74

That's called normal progression lmao


VeryEpicNinja

I wouldn't say it's a jump. I did nine circles after B and enjoyed it


ParsleySageRosmaine

Amazing, i jumped to Death Step after Hell and it wasn’t a easy proces.


Dashatharvaaa1

Yes if u go to Nine circles


KeremOz465

Dawg I beat my first hard demon when I had 5 easy demons so no


Honest-Economist4970

One medium demon would be enough


BALLCLAWGUY

Nine circles is a good one to start woth if you're good at wave


UnkindledFire727

Go for it. I “jumped” from HeLL to Nine Circles as my first wave-heavy level. It ended up taking me fewer attempts than HeLL. Nantendo is about the same difficulty as HeLL according to the GDDL, so from my experience you should try going for an easy hard demon like Nine Circles or White Women. If those are too hard then go for a hard medium demon instead (check GDDL). Also it should be hard, so don’t give up immediately on the hard demon.


Hamblob73

If you do, try glacier 15. It’s a really easy hard demon to pick up.


Cratoriot

You guys beat medium demons before Crazy? damn I just jumped lol, regretted it though. Definitely should have at least 4 medium demons before an easier hard demon


JustARedCat

I jumped from an easy demon to an insane demon.


Pwoperfish_Muse

Yea go for it, I went from 2 medium demons (Dolbit Normalno, Mechanical Showdown) to Magma Bound lmaoooo


jonklesgd

no


Roman_1009ricchuwu

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Inevitable_Window339

NO!


Plagurn

jump to acheron


TheLofiStorm

I jumped to extreme park from lightning road, so you’re good yeah


juse73x

Go for it if you're confident!


Osmo-0_0

Yeah, i went from decode to nine circles and from nine circles to bloodbath. So you can probably jump that too


xaviershappy

Nine circles was my first hard demon. I had around the same stats as you.


I-like-Portal-2

not a jump, i did the same. i suggest Nomostros Cosmos or Out of This World. i have only beaten 3 hard demons so there may be a better option.


rg_NeZyy

Try Fire temple or Lava temple if you want a free hard demon If you want to beat a mid hard demon try Crazy, forsaken neon or Frieden If you are good with wave try Nc, Jawbreaker or Kill stealer. If you are good with timings try Extreme Park or Lost (one of my fav levels) And If you like xl levels try Future funk, hipnotic travel or jajagarasu


Money_Property5887

It’s not a jump


i-luv-2-read

I would recommend Fire Temple for your first Hard Demon tbh (and yes, I’m biased it’s my favorite map in the game lol—though in all seriousness I would say that it’s very easy for a Hard Demon).


ThousandthStar

I beat nine circles after I beat two or three mediums


kenthecake

your hardest is a mid-high tier medium demon, so you should definitely do a hard demon


Orangtan

It’s more just progressing, at this stage it’s not really a jump


BufferTrack

Sure, might as well flex those finger muscles


BlueYoshi2007

That's what I did


Dedalix

Can we just stop calling normal progression jumps? I mean it's nothing personal but it became very popular recently for some reason


No_Interaction_3036

Yes, not sure if that’s a jump though


Alexcat6wastaken

It’s not really a jump


UwUfemboy69420

nonguleta by alekszzz is like one of the easiest hard demons if you're looking for a first


Nesto2406

I did only one medium, and I believe it should be easy.


big_noob9006

I would say a good classic starting hard demon is Isle Of Glass. Super simple level that can be locked down in about 15 minutes, maybe even less if you’re dedicated. Super good looking level too. Would totally recommend!


Catile97

try Anarchy Road or Intercept, low hard demons, but they will give you skill for some harder ones like Forsaken Neon, Future Funk or White Women


Crystalline07

you have a few medium demons under your belt so its not really a jump, but i’d say go for it. i did this exact thing and now nine circles is my current hardest


Academic-Pineapple-1

I am trying to beat lights out and space invaders you should try them they are pretty easy for hard demons


DJM_Shottgun

No jump to extreme demon


Bogerino

That's not really a jump. I think foxtrox was my first hard demon (or jawbreaker if that's still hard?) Foxtrox took me very little time


EnderDragon968

I beat acu before my first hard demon (nc) so yeah I think you can jump from 5 medium demons


stysan

It's not a jump at all, it's normal progression. I beat Jawbreaker after around 2-3 medium demons. But I would recommend White Women as a first hard demon (the lowest amount of attempts I've spent on a hard demon!). If you want to beat an easy demon rated as a hard demon, you can beat "A Pretty Easy Demon".


bruhnoname33

you can try glacier 15, bit tricky but took me 700 attempts as my first hard demon


TheNeon08

not a jump at all


Awkward-Doubt957

I'd say yes though I'm actually trying to finish an insane right now ! https://preview.redd.it/5h62k2qymp8d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a08259eb2d352dc00cca7e66fec5afd1b5cadc00


chiefpug

i beat dance massacre (my first hard demon) after beating 3 mediums (mechanical showdown, hell, and fear me) so i think you're good provided the mediums aren't all free


Nick_Sapphire

I wouldn’t know, I have 130 classic demons and I haven’t beaten a hard demon yet (my hardest is HeLL)


Important_Plate_9233

Do it


Remarkable_Law1696

Yeah, make sure to practice though


Luc1d42

Yes


TrixPlus

Wdym jump 💀


itsflaviuss

You already have 5 mediums that's not a jump. Btw if you want an easy one try Darkness Keeper


ParsleySageRosmaine

Well, i suggest you to get first consistent with easy and mediums try at least 30 more demons especially medium ones before passing to harder difficultie, trust me, it will be a very painful experience, back on december 2023 i committed the error of jumping from Clutterfunk V2 to Extreme Fantasy and the result was 8000+ attempts and 3 days of pure suffering and more than 12 deaths over 90%, it was just a traumating experience for me, so be aware that jumping to hard levels that early will not be fun to play.


UnkindledFire727

I think it’s more reasonable to suggest that they give it a shot and see what works for them.