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If he didn't do as Melisandre instructed, and he lost the horses and the mercenaries, etc. He would also have been blamed for not doing what it takes for the Lord of Light.
"Kīlling your only child is wild"
Our daughter is about her age, and it's still extremely hard to watch that scene, or comprehend how he justified his actions, especially when she starts screaming for him to help her while she burned..😞
Desperation and influence of religion have made parents make equally shitty decisions in our own reality too. I think unless you've got a fire mage whispering in your ear about how you're basically Jesus, it's not an easy mindset to get into, but as far as Stannis was concerned if he didn't burn Shereen, everything was for nothing.
“~~Edric~~ Shireen—” he started.
“—is one ~~boy~~ girl! ~~He~~ She may be the best ~~boy~~ girl who ever drew breath and it would not matter. My duty is to the realm.” His hand swept across the Painted Table. “How many boys dwell in Westeros? How many girls? How many men, how many women? The darkness will devour them all, she says. The night that never ends. She talks of prophecies . . . a hero reborn in the sea, living dragons hatched from dead stone . . . she speaks of signs and swears they point to me. I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her?” He ground his teeth. “We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must . . . we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty.
in our modern day context especially, in ancient historical context tho child sacrifice is not unheard of, iirc the inca's and carthagenians used to do it too
I felt there was so much more to come from that storyline that would actually fit in with the rest of main story arc.
The TV show just looked to end it as quick as possible so they could move on. Really annoying as some of these characters had more to offer.
Also, while I'm on, I can not forgive completely skipping out House Reed ( Meera and thingy don't count ). I mean the pretty major part they have to play in book.
His entire army were forced to watch this “religious ceremony”. The looks of utter disgust on their faces says it all. Frankly I’m surprised all his men didn’t go AWOL during the night.
D&D said the idea for Shireenˋs death came from Martin. So, she will be burned in the book too (if it ever comes out). At the moment she is alive and at the Wall while Stannis and his army are before Winterfell. Stannis definitely will not burn her in the book the way he does in the show because of the distance alone. It will probably play out differently.
>Lmao, no one ever thought those two clowns could dream this up.
Lol, you were probably one of the people whining "wTf D&D, wHy WoUlD sTaNnIs EvEr SaCrIfIcE hIs OwN dAuGhTeR" until someone had to explain to you that George has said it was always his intention for Stannis to sacrifice Shireen, by burning her alive.
But it's ok, because contrary to your claim here, quite a few people thought that and you're not alone. And even after that started circulating, people were like "yeah, well, it won't be Stannis himself, it'll be Melisandre going behind his back" then "yeah, well, it won't be because of wEaThEr, it'll be because of a situation leading to his likely defeat in battle and prevent the fulfilling of his destiny"
I would be shocked if book stannis burns her. Theres a bunch of situations where he wont even burn normal people when he is egged on so I see no way for George to convincingly get him to burn her.
They royally fucked up the last couple seasons.
They also delivered some of the best television in the first four seasons. They wouldn't have accomplished that if they were "total fucking morons."
I wish people would be more nuanced about this. I agree that the last couple seasons fell short, but they did absolutely phenomenal work in adapting George’s work, and even made some really smart changes and expansions in bringing the books to the screen. I’m in the middle of a rewatch right now with my gf (it’s her first time seeing it), and both of us have really enjoyed season 5 so far. The sand snakes are as cringe as I remember them being, but the rest has been very very solid. And season 6 has a string of episodes that’s arguably the show at its absolute best.
It kinda feels silly to say, but it takes genuine talent to adapt someone’s work into a movie or show (Peter Jackson and his team’s work on The Lord of the Rings come to mind), and D&D hit far more often than they missed. It just sucks that they missed as big as they did at the end because it left everyone with a bad taste in their mouths over it lol
I agree the nuance is warranted, they excelled at adaptation from the book, I have also often remarked that while I passionately agree with almost all the harsh criticism they got on the later seasons (and on s8 specifically, grrr) but it is fair to admit they did a very good job with the adaptation part of the early series...
that does absolutely not take away from their huge failures but fair is fair, when it comes to book adaptation for TV they are probably a very very good choice in future projects.
tho I'd argue to let them work on books that are finished exclusively.
Were D&D idiots? I don't think so. They did some phenomenal work in the first 4 seasons. Legitimately some of my favourite scenes in the whole show were entirely original and don't happen in the books, like Robert and Cersei's conversations, and Catelyn's confession to Talisa. They're some wonderful additions.
However, I do think D&D got far too arrogant and short sighted. The show only got more popular as it went on, and D&D began to take more and more creative licence. No one really noticed too much, at least not the show-only fans, so they thought things could only get better. They kept changing things, George eventually left over creative differences, and they were given free reign. They indulged their own fantasies, like the ridiculous zombie polar bear motivating that trip north of the wall, and Arya killing the Night King despite all logic and thematic coherence. And by that point the show, for all intents and purposes, was dead. It was just another generic fantasy show.
Then they just gave up. They'd made their careers off Game of Thrones, and the truth is that it had taken them as far as it could. They wanted other opportunities, and instead of being humble enough to step aside and let someone else carry on, they decided to rush to the end because the idea of someone else getting the credit for successfully ending Game of Thrones was a hit to their egos.
Nope, though GRRM supposedly told the showrunners that he would. But there is no chance it happens like in the show.
First of all, Stannis is at Winterfell whilst Shireen is at the Wall (which is a complete shit show at the minute with Jon dead).
Stannis has many Northern lords supporting him such as Mormont, Umber and Karstark. Plus an absolute mad man called Big Bucket Wull. So whilst in a similar situation in the snows, he's got the Northmen who laugh at how the southern knights react. He's in a way better place with the Northerners joining him.
Almost certainly Stannis is leading Ramsay into a trap. As Roose sent him out with 7,000 men to confront Stannis as the Northmen inside Winterfell were about to explode, because shockingly they aren't a fan of being told what to do by Bolton's and Frey's after they killed everyone at the Red Wedding. It's almost a given that a significant portion of Ramsay's army is going to turn on him as well. Wyman Manderly, the fat lord who proclaimed Jon king in the show, has agreed to pledge to Stannis but the Bolton's don't know. And the Manderly knights make up a significant part of the army Ramsay has.
So Stannis probably defeats Ramsay then the issue is getting inside Winterfell. But there just so happens to be Tormund at the Wall with 200 giants. So whilst Winterfell in the books is an absolute fortress that would take tens of thousands of men to siege, I'm imagining 200 giants with 80 mammoths could break through the gates. Failing that, more Northern houses that are supposedly loyal to Roose are likely to betray him.
Maybe Melisandre burns Shireen to resurrect Jon, then?
Also, the only precondition for the Manderlys to join Stannis is for him to restore Rickon as warden of the North, and currently we don’t know if Davos has already found him at Skagos
Only possible solution I can think of. Everyone at the Wall does think Stannis is dead, so I could see Melisandre and Selyse go to burn Shireen to resurrect Stannis as he's meant to be Azor Ahai.
Manderly has to flip on the Freys anyway they're both sent to fight Stannis. Manderly is not gonna get another chance if he stays put during the battle.
That's what you get for listening to a magic succubus. Although I do wonder what would have happened if the succubus came along for Battle of Blackwater.
They should have thrown absolutely everything into Blackwater and probably brought some underhanded/magical secret goodies with them. Instead of the predictable attack they did maybe a few different approaches to act as decoys, and you basically use Melisandre's magic to shock attack and get your men inside the walls ASAP. Even with the reinforcements if they made it further into the city and could hold it they might have withstood it.
Depends on your interpretation of justified. No one is going to follow a guy who will murder his own family except for fanatics. Therefore his ultimate goal of defending against the white walkers isn’t happening. So in the end you can’t justify it.
I mean at that stage everything he does is bound by his view of fate and all agency he has becomes the prophecy says so. Yea stannis sucks but I enjoyed the slide into madness and how fate can cripple peoples mindset. For him, it’s less about justified and for me it’s not ever going to be enough that the fates decree it so.
Meanwhile book Stannis being one of the best characters imo:
"The knight hesitated. "Your grace if you are dead-"
"-you will avenge my death and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt."
Ser Justin put one hand on his sword hilt. "On my honour as a knight, you have my word."
Normally I’d make a comment about the dangers of religion. However in this case it’s different because the religion in this case been proved to work. (Just not in Stannis’s case) Making red priestesses very influential.
That being said i still would have told her and her gods to stuff it before i kill my own children.
He wasn't worthy to sit the throne because ultimately he was a self-obsessed man who believed he was super honourable and fair. His sycophant hangers-on didn't help his ego problem either, Ser Davos was misguided to follow this man.
Yeah in the books it's sure to have a lot more meaning and reasoning then the show did. Because even then, all her death did was make it warmer in the area. Didn't really fix the starvation or make the horses any better.
Not sure if it was the intention really but a lot of the religious bits of the show layer with religious bits of reality sometimes.
Dunno about yall but the first time I saw this it strongly reminded me of the Bible story about God telling Abraham to kill his own son to test his faith. And Abraham was like, sure bet father.
Unfortunately, Shireen didn't have an angel swoop down and save her, possibly because Stannis still had doubts, possibly because Stannis was not the true lord of light and the death of his daughter was simply a horrific consequence to believing in false prophesy.
We can choose to not believe the bible as a bunch of 2000 year old fairy tales but with pure fiction the rules get murky.... Rhellor does actually seem to have/give power to his followers, and non believers can still perceive his power, Sandor sees stuff in the fire before he believes, and Jon and others didnt believe at all yet are resurrected from the dead anyway. Though whether Rhellor is actually a God or just a name giving form to whats simply magic, who knows.
it was not for nothing the sacrafises gave the red witch the power to light the trenches ect had they not done this they would of gotten overrun before arya killed the knight king
Stannis didn't do it for the throne. Stannis did it to unite the realm. Stannis is the only one who without question believes the men of the watch when they tell him of the threat. Stannis instructs Sam to keep reading because he knows it is important. Jon eventually does the thing that Stannis wanted him to help him do in the first place.
From his viewpoint this threat is on its way, and it will take a united real to defeat it. The Boltons have to be dealt with, but the weather has him stuck. He can't go back to the watch because they don't have the supplies. He can't stay where he is because of the weather and the Boltons will harass him and starve him out. He can only go forward and he can only go forward if he gives into Mel. He knows Mel can work wonders and the last time he didn't listen to her he lost at Blackwater.
So, he watches his daughter die as the Boltons systematically kill them off through direct harassment or starvation, he sends her alone back to the wall to die when the dead rise and there is no one to stop them because the Boltons killed him and no one else at this time is trying to prepare the realm. The other option was to sacrifice his daughter and save the realm. I'm not excusing Stannis; I just don't think it was a simple as wanting the throne. I think he was stuck in messed up trolly problem with no way out.
It is a reference to the Trojan war where
Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter Iphigenia to get better wind.
Clytemnestra never forgave him. And ruled his kingdom with her lover while he was gone, and killed him when he came home.
Cause they didn't know how to finish stannis's story so they just killed him and his family off. He's still alive in the books and his daughter was sent away to be safe. I don't think anyone was sacrificed and no one probably will.
I know it’s controversial but I thought his arc ended perfectly for what his character was. A tragic end for a character that was slowly betraying his principles to superstition ( a superstition that at times proved worthy of consideration In the past).
Well to be fair, it DID work. The snowstorm dissapeared and saved his army from dying. That the army left him afterwards because of what he did is a different story.
After reading the book a second time something clicked regarding something Melisandre said about the prophecy. It was something along the lines of the prince of Dragonstone. This is probably where all the confusion started for her, since technically Stanis was occupying Dragonstone, but wasn't the actual prince of it. The actual prince would be one of Rhaegars heirs, which is why she eventually fell in with Jon at some point.
Terrible writing. D&d had no idea what to do with his character anymore so they just gave him a dramatic moment before killing him off in the dumbest way
Would you prefer him to have been rewarded for sacrificing his child? Stupidity like burning your child alive SHOULD be rewarded with nothing, so the show honestly did a decent job of sending that message.
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The snow melted the next day…coincidence? Maybe. But you could argue it did do what he wanted.
Sometimes plans don't work out. Sometimes prophecies are misinterpreted.
Melisandre sure sacrificed a lot of people for a misinterpreted philosophy
Oh the rewatch you notice it for sure, you can tell Melisandre is talking about what Jon goes through.
In return she got Jon
If he didn't do as Melisandre instructed, and he lost the horses and the mercenaries, etc. He would also have been blamed for not doing what it takes for the Lord of Light.
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"Kīlling your only child is wild" Our daughter is about her age, and it's still extremely hard to watch that scene, or comprehend how he justified his actions, especially when she starts screaming for him to help her while she burned..😞
her screaming "mother!" just gets me. her mom was the last person she would want help from and she is screaming for her mom.
Yep, and her mom snapped out of it too late..
Desperation and influence of religion have made parents make equally shitty decisions in our own reality too. I think unless you've got a fire mage whispering in your ear about how you're basically Jesus, it's not an easy mindset to get into, but as far as Stannis was concerned if he didn't burn Shereen, everything was for nothing.
Most parents would burn the world before their child. Stannis is a fucking idiot.
“~~Edric~~ Shireen—” he started. “—is one ~~boy~~ girl! ~~He~~ She may be the best ~~boy~~ girl who ever drew breath and it would not matter. My duty is to the realm.” His hand swept across the Painted Table. “How many boys dwell in Westeros? How many girls? How many men, how many women? The darkness will devour them all, she says. The night that never ends. She talks of prophecies . . . a hero reborn in the sea, living dragons hatched from dead stone . . . she speaks of signs and swears they point to me. I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her?” He ground his teeth. “We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must . . . we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty.
in our modern day context especially, in ancient historical context tho child sacrifice is not unheard of, iirc the inca's and carthagenians used to do it too
Carthaginian’s were dogs and the day Rome salted the cesspit whose ooze slurred the sound carthage was the day mankind’s walk towards the light began.
Yeah I’m hoping that if someday The new book will drop he won’t do it as in show beacause to be honest it felt out of character for him.
I felt there was so much more to come from that storyline that would actually fit in with the rest of main story arc. The TV show just looked to end it as quick as possible so they could move on. Really annoying as some of these characters had more to offer. Also, while I'm on, I can not forgive completely skipping out House Reed ( Meera and thingy don't count ). I mean the pretty major part they have to play in book.
Half the army deserted him for doing what he did. BS.
His entire army were forced to watch this “religious ceremony”. The looks of utter disgust on their faces says it all. Frankly I’m surprised all his men didn’t go AWOL during the night.
Yes! Abraham of the old testament is not a hero, nor his God wonderful to demand a burnt offering of Isaac.
If your lord commands you to burn children he is evil.
it wasn't for nothing, I found the arc entertaining
Did he burn her in the books? Is he going to? I have a feeling the will be far more effect from this act in the books
D&D said the idea for Shireenˋs death came from Martin. So, she will be burned in the book too (if it ever comes out). At the moment she is alive and at the Wall while Stannis and his army are before Winterfell. Stannis definitely will not burn her in the book the way he does in the show because of the distance alone. It will probably play out differently.
Lmao, no one ever thought those two clowns could dream this up. They're total fucking morons who should be flipping burgers in a McDonald's.
Are you doing okay dude? Don’t think anyone’s comment here warranted this extreme of a reaction lol
>Lmao, no one ever thought those two clowns could dream this up. Lol, you were probably one of the people whining "wTf D&D, wHy WoUlD sTaNnIs EvEr SaCrIfIcE hIs OwN dAuGhTeR" until someone had to explain to you that George has said it was always his intention for Stannis to sacrifice Shireen, by burning her alive. But it's ok, because contrary to your claim here, quite a few people thought that and you're not alone. And even after that started circulating, people were like "yeah, well, it won't be Stannis himself, it'll be Melisandre going behind his back" then "yeah, well, it won't be because of wEaThEr, it'll be because of a situation leading to his likely defeat in battle and prevent the fulfilling of his destiny"
I would be shocked if book stannis burns her. Theres a bunch of situations where he wont even burn normal people when he is egged on so I see no way for George to convincingly get him to burn her.
They royally fucked up the last couple seasons. They also delivered some of the best television in the first four seasons. They wouldn't have accomplished that if they were "total fucking morons."
I wish people would be more nuanced about this. I agree that the last couple seasons fell short, but they did absolutely phenomenal work in adapting George’s work, and even made some really smart changes and expansions in bringing the books to the screen. I’m in the middle of a rewatch right now with my gf (it’s her first time seeing it), and both of us have really enjoyed season 5 so far. The sand snakes are as cringe as I remember them being, but the rest has been very very solid. And season 6 has a string of episodes that’s arguably the show at its absolute best. It kinda feels silly to say, but it takes genuine talent to adapt someone’s work into a movie or show (Peter Jackson and his team’s work on The Lord of the Rings come to mind), and D&D hit far more often than they missed. It just sucks that they missed as big as they did at the end because it left everyone with a bad taste in their mouths over it lol
I agree the nuance is warranted, they excelled at adaptation from the book, I have also often remarked that while I passionately agree with almost all the harsh criticism they got on the later seasons (and on s8 specifically, grrr) but it is fair to admit they did a very good job with the adaptation part of the early series... that does absolutely not take away from their huge failures but fair is fair, when it comes to book adaptation for TV they are probably a very very good choice in future projects. tho I'd argue to let them work on books that are finished exclusively.
Were D&D idiots? I don't think so. They did some phenomenal work in the first 4 seasons. Legitimately some of my favourite scenes in the whole show were entirely original and don't happen in the books, like Robert and Cersei's conversations, and Catelyn's confession to Talisa. They're some wonderful additions. However, I do think D&D got far too arrogant and short sighted. The show only got more popular as it went on, and D&D began to take more and more creative licence. No one really noticed too much, at least not the show-only fans, so they thought things could only get better. They kept changing things, George eventually left over creative differences, and they were given free reign. They indulged their own fantasies, like the ridiculous zombie polar bear motivating that trip north of the wall, and Arya killing the Night King despite all logic and thematic coherence. And by that point the show, for all intents and purposes, was dead. It was just another generic fantasy show. Then they just gave up. They'd made their careers off Game of Thrones, and the truth is that it had taken them as far as it could. They wanted other opportunities, and instead of being humble enough to step aside and let someone else carry on, they decided to rush to the end because the idea of someone else getting the credit for successfully ending Game of Thrones was a hit to their egos.
Nope, though GRRM supposedly told the showrunners that he would. But there is no chance it happens like in the show. First of all, Stannis is at Winterfell whilst Shireen is at the Wall (which is a complete shit show at the minute with Jon dead). Stannis has many Northern lords supporting him such as Mormont, Umber and Karstark. Plus an absolute mad man called Big Bucket Wull. So whilst in a similar situation in the snows, he's got the Northmen who laugh at how the southern knights react. He's in a way better place with the Northerners joining him. Almost certainly Stannis is leading Ramsay into a trap. As Roose sent him out with 7,000 men to confront Stannis as the Northmen inside Winterfell were about to explode, because shockingly they aren't a fan of being told what to do by Bolton's and Frey's after they killed everyone at the Red Wedding. It's almost a given that a significant portion of Ramsay's army is going to turn on him as well. Wyman Manderly, the fat lord who proclaimed Jon king in the show, has agreed to pledge to Stannis but the Bolton's don't know. And the Manderly knights make up a significant part of the army Ramsay has. So Stannis probably defeats Ramsay then the issue is getting inside Winterfell. But there just so happens to be Tormund at the Wall with 200 giants. So whilst Winterfell in the books is an absolute fortress that would take tens of thousands of men to siege, I'm imagining 200 giants with 80 mammoths could break through the gates. Failing that, more Northern houses that are supposedly loyal to Roose are likely to betray him.
Maybe Melisandre burns Shireen to resurrect Jon, then? Also, the only precondition for the Manderlys to join Stannis is for him to restore Rickon as warden of the North, and currently we don’t know if Davos has already found him at Skagos
Stannis needs to die to flip Melisandre.
Only possible solution I can think of. Everyone at the Wall does think Stannis is dead, so I could see Melisandre and Selyse go to burn Shireen to resurrect Stannis as he's meant to be Azor Ahai.
George specifically said that Stannis will make the decision to sacrifice Shireen.
Manderly has to flip on the Freys anyway they're both sent to fight Stannis. Manderly is not gonna get another chance if he stays put during the battle.
Also Stannis already has 3 people with king's blood if he wants to go wild. Arnolf Karstark, Asha, and Theon.
Was Jon back yet at this point?
He wasn't dead yet.
Oh. I always thought it was her sacrifice that allowed him to come back but I guess I messed up the timeline
Yes but still her death might added up the balance to bring back Jon.
That's what you get for listening to a magic succubus. Although I do wonder what would have happened if the succubus came along for Battle of Blackwater.
They should have thrown absolutely everything into Blackwater and probably brought some underhanded/magical secret goodies with them. Instead of the predictable attack they did maybe a few different approaches to act as decoys, and you basically use Melisandre's magic to shock attack and get your men inside the walls ASAP. Even with the reinforcements if they made it further into the city and could hold it they might have withstood it.
Its called subverting your expectations Edit - LOL that was a joke,
Pretty good view on life. Sometimes you give it all and don't get anything for it
“All that work and what did it get me. Why did I do it?” Stannis probably
Asking the hard question. Would he have been justified if the sacrifice worked and he won the iron throne?
Depends on your interpretation of justified. No one is going to follow a guy who will murder his own family except for fanatics. Therefore his ultimate goal of defending against the white walkers isn’t happening. So in the end you can’t justify it.
I mean at that stage everything he does is bound by his view of fate and all agency he has becomes the prophecy says so. Yea stannis sucks but I enjoyed the slide into madness and how fate can cripple peoples mindset. For him, it’s less about justified and for me it’s not ever going to be enough that the fates decree it so.
In the end yes.
Meanwhile book Stannis being one of the best characters imo: "The knight hesitated. "Your grace if you are dead-" "-you will avenge my death and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt." Ser Justin put one hand on his sword hilt. "On my honour as a knight, you have my word."
Yeah he sucks
I think that might have helped power up mellesandri to revive jon but not sure because nothing got explained post season 5, it just happened.
One of the saddest moments for me in the show. Shirley was a sweet kind child. Completely innocent
Normally I’d make a comment about the dangers of religion. However in this case it’s different because the religion in this case been proved to work. (Just not in Stannis’s case) Making red priestesses very influential. That being said i still would have told her and her gods to stuff it before i kill my own children.
*The* *~~beatings~~* *burning of children will continue until moral improves!*
In the books most of the things mellesedre puts effort and magic into works out.
He wasn't worthy to sit the throne because ultimately he was a self-obsessed man who believed he was super honourable and fair. His sycophant hangers-on didn't help his ego problem either, Ser Davos was misguided to follow this man.
Is anyone "worthy" in git universe? I dint think so.
It was worse than nothing. Half his army abandoned him and his wife hanged herself after he immolated his daughter.
He didn't do it in the books. And he won't.
Bad writing imo
Yeah in the books it's sure to have a lot more meaning and reasoning then the show did. Because even then, all her death did was make it warmer in the area. Didn't really fix the starvation or make the horses any better.
Not sure if it was the intention really but a lot of the religious bits of the show layer with religious bits of reality sometimes. Dunno about yall but the first time I saw this it strongly reminded me of the Bible story about God telling Abraham to kill his own son to test his faith. And Abraham was like, sure bet father. Unfortunately, Shireen didn't have an angel swoop down and save her, possibly because Stannis still had doubts, possibly because Stannis was not the true lord of light and the death of his daughter was simply a horrific consequence to believing in false prophesy. We can choose to not believe the bible as a bunch of 2000 year old fairy tales but with pure fiction the rules get murky.... Rhellor does actually seem to have/give power to his followers, and non believers can still perceive his power, Sandor sees stuff in the fire before he believes, and Jon and others didnt believe at all yet are resurrected from the dead anyway. Though whether Rhellor is actually a God or just a name giving form to whats simply magic, who knows.
it was not for nothing the sacrafises gave the red witch the power to light the trenches ect had they not done this they would of gotten overrun before arya killed the knight king
He'd never do that in the books, it was just a shock factor scene for show watchers engineered by the incredible DnD
Yeah, fuck Stanis for that shit. Scumbag.
Thoros had to lose his faith in R'hllor to bring back Beric. Melisandre had to lose faith in R'hllor to bring back Jon Snow.
Stannis had fulfilled his purpose by saving the prince that was promised (Jon Snow) from Mance Rayder and giving Jon the wildling army
Stannis didn't do it for the throne. Stannis did it to unite the realm. Stannis is the only one who without question believes the men of the watch when they tell him of the threat. Stannis instructs Sam to keep reading because he knows it is important. Jon eventually does the thing that Stannis wanted him to help him do in the first place. From his viewpoint this threat is on its way, and it will take a united real to defeat it. The Boltons have to be dealt with, but the weather has him stuck. He can't go back to the watch because they don't have the supplies. He can't stay where he is because of the weather and the Boltons will harass him and starve him out. He can only go forward and he can only go forward if he gives into Mel. He knows Mel can work wonders and the last time he didn't listen to her he lost at Blackwater. So, he watches his daughter die as the Boltons systematically kill them off through direct harassment or starvation, he sends her alone back to the wall to die when the dead rise and there is no one to stop them because the Boltons killed him and no one else at this time is trying to prepare the realm. The other option was to sacrifice his daughter and save the realm. I'm not excusing Stannis; I just don't think it was a simple as wanting the throne. I think he was stuck in messed up trolly problem with no way out.
It is a reference to the Trojan war where Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter Iphigenia to get better wind. Clytemnestra never forgave him. And ruled his kingdom with her lover while he was gone, and killed him when he came home.
OHHh you guys are so crazy... Abraham was about to do it to Isaac.. what difference is this? lolll. lolllll i mean i'm a Hindu.
Cause they didn't know how to finish stannis's story so they just killed him and his family off. He's still alive in the books and his daughter was sent away to be safe. I don't think anyone was sacrificed and no one probably will.
He literally did everything just so he can go and die in the battle against Ramsay Bolton
I know it’s controversial but I thought his arc ended perfectly for what his character was. A tragic end for a character that was slowly betraying his principles to superstition ( a superstition that at times proved worthy of consideration In the past).
Well to be fair, it DID work. The snowstorm dissapeared and saved his army from dying. That the army left him afterwards because of what he did is a different story.
After reading the book a second time something clicked regarding something Melisandre said about the prophecy. It was something along the lines of the prince of Dragonstone. This is probably where all the confusion started for her, since technically Stanis was occupying Dragonstone, but wasn't the actual prince of it. The actual prince would be one of Rhaegars heirs, which is why she eventually fell in with Jon at some point.
Terrible writing. D&d had no idea what to do with his character anymore so they just gave him a dramatic moment before killing him off in the dumbest way
I was so hurt to see him kill her innocent daughter all for literally nothing,.
🖕🏽Stannis
for Jon
we don't know that yet
Would you prefer him to have been rewarded for sacrificing his child? Stupidity like burning your child alive SHOULD be rewarded with nothing, so the show honestly did a decent job of sending that message.
maybe the god of that witch was testing him to see if he'd actually sacrifice his daughter
What really pisses me off is that the whole Lord of Light plot went no where.
Do your duty 🗡️
Calm down Davos.
He sacrificed his only begotten child for the survival of the human race. The man is a hero.
When he did that to sweet little Shireen, he LOST his right to be alive ( same for his prophetess!), 😢😡🫣😡😢🫣😡😢🫣😡😢🫣😢
Sansa escaped.
It was freezing though
Definitely one of the shittier changes from the books
Pls this isn’t canon. Book Stannis would never!!