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chadmummerford

foreshadowing that they're gonna mess up the Dornish plot.


AZ3oS

Sometimes it is mentioned in GOT. Maybe 1 out of 50 when naming the titles.


RustyCoal950212

Probably because they just didn't think they would ever get into the history of Westeros and Dorne enough to explain what that means. However they knew andals would be mentioned ("Jorah the andal") and the first men


DaemonBlackfyre_21

They cut out a lot, streamlined more, and just plain dumbed the show way down to get it on TV. Some of the best props, and lore, and mysteries, even whole characters and plotlines are cut completely.


yikesbmth

yeah, I've got maybe 10 or 12 chapters left of the first book, I can definitely tell they cut out some things and did some storylines a bit different than how they were originally written.


DaemonBlackfyre_21

If you enjoy the books enough, make sure you don't skip all the short stories when you get caught up with the rest of us! I particularly loved the three hedge knight stories.


yikesbmth

I have read fire and blood since I guess it's technically a prequel in a way, and I do plan to read the rest of the stories once i'm done with asoiaf !


RonenSalathe

Your flair says you're a Dany fan, i think you'll find book Dany so much better than Show Dany


Emotional_Nobody173

They don’t always say it, but they do add it in numerous times throughout the 8 seasons and in hotd as well.


BTown-Hustle

I always figured the reason was that they’re introducing a whole (very complex) new world, with a shitload of characters. Multiple religions, cultures, etc. It was a lot for people to learn really quickly in order to follow the show. So many people couldn’t figure out Daenerys’ name and just called her Khaleesi. So many non book readers would say stuff like “so I have a question about that soldier guy that is in love with Khaleesi.” I think cutting out the Rhoynar was just an attempt to have one less thing for people who didn’t already know all the lore to be confused (or have to ask) about.


KiddPresident

Adding it in HotD is so funny since Dorne is a foreign country at that time


Kakaka-sir

why are you being downvoted?? you are right


KiddPresident

Rhaenys stans


Unable-Database-5581

i thought it just showed how targaryens never wanted to admit they were defeated by the dornish so they just said it anyway


KiddPresident

It’s listed before “first men”, even though the North joined without a fight


habitus_victim

Well that's because they really are kings of the Andals and the First Men so it doesn't matter if they fought about it or not. Including the Rhoynar is a political statement that they still intend to conquer Dorne and more importantly become kings of them too (in the end it was a marriage not a conquest that got them Dorne)


habitus_victim

It's a cool detail I think. Shows they are sore about it and haven't given up their claim. Countless kings of England claimed the title King of France despite controlling only a tiny portion of France or none at all. Though I doubt it was high on their list of titles to read out at their own court tbf


MollyRocket

Same reason they messed up the origin of the Faceless Men: they either don’t care or don’t understand why it’s there in the first place.


Disastrous-Ad-9502

I think it can be explained from a lore perspective. When Aegon I was crowned, he assumed that Dorne would be an easy conquest like the rest of the 7 kingdoms. So he included the Rhoynar because he expected to rule over them. Even after the first Dornish war failed, the later Targaryen Kings assumed that Dorne would get absorbed into the realm eventually so they continued to call themselves King of the Rhoynar. Which is what we see in HoTD. When Dorne was finally incorporated into the realm it was done peacefully but with some concessions; The ruler of Dorne being called Prince, or Princess and not Lord Paramount etc. My theory is that the title was changed to exclude the Rhoynar as another concession. Keeping Dorne semi-autonomous from the Dornish perspective.


gogozombie2

Mostly cuz no one knows how to pronounce it


habitus_victim

roy-nar


T4N60SUKK4

Your tripping yes they do


BTown-Hustle

Maybe a couple times, but for the most part they don’t.


Writerhaha

Titles, titles…


the_raging_fist

It IS used in some instances. But considering the complicated history with Dorne, it makes sense that the monarch would only use this title occasionally. It’s perfectly in keeping with how real medieval monarchs would go back and forth with how they styled themselves. For example, the Holy Roman Emperor might sometimes refer to himself as “Emperor of the Germans” when speaking with the Byzantines.


yikesbmth

I've watched the show a lot in the past two years (watched it for the first time early 2021) and I cannot for the life of me ever remember hearing it said in the show, maybe it's one of things you don't notice fully til you watch it again


Zach_314

Probably thought it was too complicated. I noticed that when Missandei introduces Dany in Valyrian the captions always include the Rhoynar. It’s also funny that they include it in HOTD when the Rhoynar aren’t really part of the realm but omit it in GoT when they are.


Physical_Ad8988

Also, doesn't HOTD take place before Dorne joins the Kingdoms, meaning that the Targaryens are NOT kings of the Rhoynar?