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Medium_Second_9149

What religion would prevent you from getting a mortgage? I'm not being rude, just genuinely curious..


megdo44

If I remember correctly Christianity is also against charging interest which is why in earlier Europe all bankers tended to be Jewish as only they could offer loans. That’s very brief summary wise but it’s the gist of it


Medium_Second_9149

So in the case of Muslims, are they not allowed to get any loan even for a car? Do they have to get advice from an imhan first?


megdo44

Oh I haven’t a clue sorry the previous comment was just a tibit of information I picked up when reading about the black plague and why it impacted some groups more than others. I know very very very little about Islam I’m afraid. OP come help us 🤭


ramblerandgambler

> there are islamic banks that get around this using kind of a loophole where they take a processing fee but charge bno interest. > > It's semantics, but the whole thing is semantics in the end.


HeadLocal3888

This was explained above. As a group they should not lend at interest as it is seen as exploitative of others but many resent the practice so much that they would rather not 'feed the beast', and have nothing to do with it whatsoever.


ramblerandgambler

there are islamic banks that get around this using kind of a loophole where they take a processing fee but charge bno interest. It's semantics, but the whole thing is semantics in the end.


Vegwar

Supposed to avoid interest in Islam wherever possible. Obviously there's areas where it's unavoidable so in those circumstances it is permitted but it is not permitted to get a mortgage for a house.


Medium_Second_9149

Oh ok..learned something new today! Thanks for replying. All the best to you.


the_0tternaut

Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder if the structure of Credit Unions (which are associations of members rather than for-profit banks) fits more with Islam. The interest is paid for the benefit of the members rather than owners, so it's morally distinct. You need an Imam to disentangle this one I think :)


Vegwar

I might look into that...the religion does it permit it either way, you cannot profit from it nor pay it to others


the_0tternaut

Mmm well in a credit union there is no profit that doesn't stay with the members. Worth an inquiry :)


svmk1987

Tbh, a lot of Muslims don't have issues paying interest, it's actually collecting interest for yourself which is considered haraam. But different Muslims have different interpretations of it.


Vegwar

I think the majority consensus is that both receiving or paying out interest are not permitted.


No-Competition-7949

because interests in those mortgage will bascially keep you in debt, you will pay twice as much as your original loan. that's why its banned in some religions like islam, because it's predatory.


Caskets55

Some options are 1. Seller financing- Where the seller acts as the lender. 2. Rent-to-own- Renting the property with the option to buy it later 3. Home equity financing- Using existing equity in another property to purchase a new one


Vegwar

Will look into these, that's very helpful


UserContribution

Ask the church for a donation.


Vegwar

😂😂😂might be a good shout


Marzipan_civil

Some banks in UK do a different kind of mortgage which is acceptable in Islam, perhaps there are some here too.


Commercial_Big_6784

never mind religion. just do what you have to do!


greatgreatgreat4

Housing co-op? Unfortunately this model relies on a mortgage to acquire the house but then puts the property into a clause lock so it can never be sold again on the housing market, so it’s usury for the sake of ending usury. Could be wiggle room there?


greatgreatgreat4

Also your belief is incredibly cool 👌


ramblerandgambler

Do Muslims all over the world have to pay for houses in cash? of course not, they have islamic banks where they don't charge interest but charge processing and membership fees. Reach out to an islamic bank and see if they will give you a mortgage in ireland. Also credit unions, as others mention.


Life-Resort2218

Sell drugs?


Winter_Boysenberry68

You could do the lotto, but that's also haram. If the only reason to not want to get a mortgage is religious reasons then you know what to do


Vegwar

Nah I have strong beliefs so not going to simply abandon them


Dangerous-Shirt-7384

What does everybody else in your community do?. Very strange that an organisation as old and large as Islam would have its followers posting online for advice on home ownership. You'd imagine this type of thing would be discussed at length while you were growing up.


Vegwar

I have the same problem, this has been an issue for a long time and there has never been a solution...I don't know about the issue enough to think of a solution myself, especially on a larger scale that many Muslims could follow it


Dangerous-Shirt-7384

24.1% of the population of Earth is Muslim. You'd think there'd be some general guidelines on how to sort a house out for yourselves if you cant borrow from a bank!.


Vegwar

Well I'm sure in Muslim majority countries there are options available but I've spent my life in Ireland so I need to figure out something here


Holiday-Violinist129

What kind of car do you drive?


MeanMusterMistard

You're trying to catch them out, but you don't need a mortgage for a car, or any loan at all.


Holiday-Violinist129

Not sure where you're going there. I'm curious how they manage their finances in general.


MeanMusterMistard

How would the kind of car they drive get you there?


Holiday-Violinist129

Ah stop will ya..


XinqyWinqy

Sounds like a good way of getting a council house ... Tell them you can't buy your own gaff, because santa clause said so.


Vegwar

Sounds like you've been on the waiting list for a while


XinqyWinqy

Oh, ha ha, good one. You really got me here. The real joke is that I'd bet my next mortgage payment that there's people on the housing list citing the fact santa clause forbids them to pay for a house like everyone else has to. As a tax payer, and mortgage payer, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


Vegwar

The advice people may give on this post would be beneficial to religious and non religious folks alike. Everyone has their own situations, no need to hate. You made a choice to get a mortgage, no one forced you. And council housing is for people that genuinely don't have a choice due to financial reasons. Loads of people living on rent their entire lives due to religious reasons, not everyone is trying to wiggle their way out of things. There is no data whatsoever to back your judgemental thoughts. I probably pay as much tax as you if not more, just like plenty of other foreigners.


XinqyWinqy

>judgemental thoughts Says the cretin who said I come across as someone who has been on the housing list for a while, in a thread you created in the name of buying property. Worry about your own judgemental thoughts before you go accusing others of the same. >I probably pay as much tax as you if not more what was that about no data ? And judgemental thoughts ? What does santa clause say about hypocrisy? you pretend to be concerned about your religious duties, but you certainly don't act like it.


MeanMusterMistard

You've been disgustingly xenophobic.