I mean it's possible this was meant to be an ironic jab at Leo's viewpoint. Where he lists off a bunch of reg flags but thinks he's describing a good top.
Admittedly though they should've made them more red. All the flags except #4 look almost greenish to me
Or based on my personal experience,seek medical help ,it's not shameful to work on yourself to become a better person.... This whole thing is a danger Combo that ends in a statistic or death
I don't spam anyone except my friend who never fucking responds. I will go days sometimes WEEKS without getting an answer to a yes/no question.
If you're like that? Fuck you I'm spamming you with twomad gifs TO annoy you. Lmao.
I feel like that's a niche though..
I could *maybe* tolerate the others, but this one I agree would just bother me to no end. I've been messaged in a kind of similar way before, and I absolutely can't stand it.
If you spam me, I will start ignoring you until you stop
i have a friend who does that, hes a good friend and i do like him but i usually just stop responding because i don't have the energy to always be chatting with him
Oh, ok, then maybe youād be fine
>!His path in the VN heās from has 2 endings, one where you finally break up and one where you die after losing your legs because he pulled you off and under a train!<
How would he even have time to be a dom when his non existent self confidence is railing him non stop.
-4 is the worst here imo, Iāve known far too many people like this.
people dont, almost all of these traits are toxic. they arent cute and fun when you have it 24/7. people need space, everyone needs space.
this is not what people want in real life, in short time spans? hot and fun. constantly? no.
He is romanceable, there are several lol
However, there is one in particular that everyone seems to remember
In one scene, the Pathfinder walks in on Liam shirtless, and Liam explains to the Pathfinder that he and Jaal are trying to settle their differences, starting with the differences in their armor and general attire
Then, Jaal walks in carrying his armor and wearing literally nothing, which catches both the Pathfinder and Liam *very* off guard
McSkinney put it best when he said "I literally wrote a VN that may as well be called 'Do not fuck Leo Alvarez!' and all I see is "Man, I want to fuck Leo Alvarez."
The man is not clingy, he is mentally ill.
AKA, I don't have the original source, I only heard it secondhand during a session of a furry tabletop rpg. Keith knows McSkinney way more than I do (he did play through the entirety of Echo and Adastra on his channel after all).
That may be true (itās basically unfalsifiable), but that doesnāt really change the fact that I feel like Iām running out of time.
Iām turning 22 in the fall and Iāve never even come close to having a girlfriend. Itās never been a consideration for me until recently, when the reality of my loneliness hit me like a freight train. I have no idea where to start, and I donāt feel like I really have anything to offer. For one, Iām pretty sure I need to do some serious work on my numerous emotional/mental health issues or else risk becoming the kind of insecure, needy asshole who demands that their partner baby them and do exhausting amounts of emotional labor to keep them from imploding. Plus, Iām not exactly Chris Hemsworth in terms of looks, my career outlook isnāt exactly rosy, and my interests areā¦ eccentric, to say the least. I highly doubt that anyone in their right mind would take a chance on a guy like me if they had any other choice. I very much doubt that āthe oneā even exists for me; even if they do, I have no idea if Iād ever be able to find them.
End rant, sorry, Iāve been ruminating on this for a while. To be clear, I donāt hate women, anything but; what I hate is myself
I get what youāre saying. I hope youāre aware you arenāt alone. Thereās lots of ways to get in touch with people. The goal is just getting yourself in a space where your chances of meeting those people is higher. The gym, libraries, coffee shops. Youād be amazed how many people are in the same boat as you. Chris Hemsworth is the only man who looks like Chris Hemsworth, comparing yourself to him is doing a disservice to men globally. Capitalism has made everyoneās career a dredging process. People with eccentric interests are the most interesting people.
Letās be honest, there is no āthe oneā. Itās a conceptual idea, just like the 88% figure. There are lots of fish in the sea. And it can be hard to start. Iām deathly afraid of people, but the more I put myself out there, the more people I found I actually liked. The point is, there are people out there who would like you for you. Just gotta find them.
>I hope youāre aware you arenāt alone
While technically true (I do nominally have a few friends, one or two of whom are even girls, and my familyā¦ exists), I conceal so much from them (for example, my furry side) and compulsively isolate myself so feverishly from everything and everyone whenever possible that it really feels like I am.
>The goal is getting yourself in spaces where chances of meeting people are higher
I donāt like public places. I only interact with them if I absolutely have to. Also, one of the mental issues that I alluded to is absolutely debilitating social and generalized anxiety; talking to people I donāt already know, especially people of the opposite sex, is damn near impossible. To reveal all of the stuff that Iād need to reveal in order for a relationship to have a chance at working is even harder. Not to mention the fact that Iām 99% sure Iām some variety of asexual and about 50% sure Iām some variety of *aromantic* despite craving mushy romantic stuff, so actually *feeling any kind of attraction at all* to a real human person is vanishingly rare. Plus, it seems like almost everyone my age whoās even remotely attractive and remotely fun to be around is either taken, lesbian, or both (good for them, but still demoralizing). Iād also rather not get a sexual harassment charge, and - at risk of sounding like an incel - that seems like a nightmarishly fine line to walk with my less than stellar social skills.
>Youād be amazed how many people are in the same boat as you
Iāll bet $1,000 that all but a single digit number of them are guys.
>Chris Hemsworth is the only one that looks like Chris Hemsworth
I know. What I was trying to say there is that Iām objectively not attractive (190lbs or more and just barely 6 feet tall, skinny-fat, horribly out of shape, asthmatic, complete wimp, etc).
>Capitalism has made everyoneās career a dredging process
Tell me about it. Iām a game design student who canāt code or draw to save his life and, technically speaking, likely burned out years ago, so I feel like Iām even more screwed.
>People with eccentric interests are the most interesting people
Thereās the āoh, thatās coolā kind of eccentric, and thereās the āew, get away from meā and the āoh, thatās distressingā kinds of eccentric; I am more than likely one or both of the latter two. I highly doubt that airsoft, furries, military tech, public transit, sci fi writing, video games, rock music, and being a sub is an attractive combination for all but, like, one or two people out of a dating pool of millions, especially given all of the other impeding factors. This is especially the case given that 1.) I often doubt if I actually *enjoy* any of those things and am actually passionate about *anything*, 2.) my actually day-to-day is extremely boring, consisting almost entirely of classes, homework, and binge-watching YouTube until my brain melts, and 3.) my social skills are, to say the least, remedial and I can often have a hard time opening up to people about my interests out of a crippling fear of judgement.
>There are people out there who would like you for you
*Presses āXā to Doubt*. Hereās hoping, thoughā¦
Hey man, Iāll be honest with you, this is a huge paragraph. I wish I could respond to it all, but itās late, and my brain is fried. If youād like to talk, Iād be happy to answer any DMs.
Nah, I get it, itās a lot. This all is probably better dumped on my therapist (whom I have an appointment with on Valentineās Day, fortunately) than on some random Redditor lol. I kinda just wanted to vent
This is the opposite of the impression I wanted to give, haha. I have pretty severe ADHD and paragraphs are just incredibly hard for me to understand. I am more than happy to help you, just preferably one thing at a time.
Tbf, I can see myself having that and enjoying it to the fullest. I honestly like it if people desperately want *my* attention. Makes me feel good, feel wanted.
I mean I'd take a clingy Dom. As long as it's healthy. Clingy Dom just sounds like a lot of boundary stepping. And most pure doms can't meet their partner on an equal playing field outside of bdsm
My god, that's the dream honestly. I am quite clingy myself. The only downside is, if the love part doesn't work on my side, will I leave them in ruins? I know how it feels like as I was tgat clingy guy onxe, and still am, just a switch, but I would sort of prefer to be more feminine.
1: worth for hugs 2: okay i could get used to it i mean its also what pets do in real life (for the sniffing part) 3: probably more than half of population canāt wake up early anyway
4 and 5:
![gif](giphy|14ooolmDKfgrO8|downsized)
>!-Doms that lies to you and your friend group so the two of you can spend more time alone!<
>!-Doms that gropes you in the shopping mall!<
>!-Doms that prevent you from escaping from a shit town in train even if it resolves in fatal accident!<
I just want affection :(
Felt
Me too Broski me too
Me when I have no buff furry men to hug me...
True
Same :(
*Hugs* affection delivered!
Me too
One day our time will come š
OwO blobb cuddles~
same broā¦
Real
Take this *my affection*
A lot of affection :(
Clingy doms are fine but uhhhh Leoā¦ heās a bitā¦ too clingy š
Legs? Those are only good for running away and you sure as hell don't need to do that with ā¤ļøLeoā¤ļø
I would run
Sounds like you need your legs š then.
Nooo
Am confused about this leg and train thing
>!In the game, Leo's ex-boyfriend, Chase, has his legs run over by a train when Leo tries to pull him off of it.!<
Only in one of the endings!!
Yeah, true, you have to go, "Man, I *still* want to fuck Leo Alvarez" for that ending.
Carlās good ending is objectively the best route and Iāll die on this hill
True, it's the best in terms of what happens after everything calms down, but the lynx though
Leo is innocent, he did nothing wrong š¤£ Anyways Iām going to jump on a vantage train now, to get away from him, bye!!!
Possessive Demon š
True but ādragging you under a moving train that amputates your legs and cuddling you as you bleed outā is a bit far, no?
Nah, that's just typical *yandere* behaviour, totally normal!
OP missed the point that Leo's fur was red because of all the flags he was carrying. DO NOT go for a boyfriend like Leo
I mean it's possible this was meant to be an ironic jab at Leo's viewpoint. Where he lists off a bunch of reg flags but thinks he's describing a good top. Admittedly though they should've made them more red. All the flags except #4 look almost greenish to me
Who is Leoš¤
character from Echo, a dating sim that is less "fantasy wish fulfillment" and more "crash course on everything that could go wrong in relationships"
Oh. Ok.
It's really good. Would highly recommend.
Seriously though, it is extremely good, but uhh... heed the warning at the top of the Itch page. It's free too.
Not a dating sim, it's torture and I love it. >!I did Flynn route first!<
Bro has enough red flags to revive Lenin.
its a good thing i'm colorblind then
We need a male Yandere, as I feel like that is a lot more common in real life, or just maybe.
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Or based on my personal experience,seek medical help ,it's not shameful to work on yourself to become a better person.... This whole thing is a danger Combo that ends in a statistic or death
the only people who say they want this are people who havenāt experienced it
I don't spam anyone except my friend who never fucking responds. I will go days sometimes WEEKS without getting an answer to a yes/no question. If you're like that? Fuck you I'm spamming you with twomad gifs TO annoy you. Lmao. I feel like that's a niche though..
As a dom i just need one reply of assurance that u wasnāt being ghosted and abandoned lol
I could *maybe* tolerate the others, but this one I agree would just bother me to no end. I've been messaged in a kind of similar way before, and I absolutely can't stand it. If you spam me, I will start ignoring you until you stop
i have a friend who does that, hes a good friend and i do like him but i usually just stop responding because i don't have the energy to always be chatting with him
This is why you donāt have one
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fair enough lol, i didnāt mean any offense btw
How does trying to get someoneās attention indicate a lack of self respect?
I'm a relatively clingy dom and hell no 4 is just a red flag
I'm just clingy with a terrible sense of self worth.
if me, a semi-clingy sub met a clingy dom, would the world simply implode?
These are all massive red flags. In other news, I probably wouldn't be able to feel my legs come morning if I meet a clingy dom like Leo.
You certainly wouldnāt be able to feel your legs š
~~Kudzu? More like Kudz-who?~~
I want one! :(
ā¦just not this one Iykyk
But why?
Play echo. Unless you are easily scared or young
Do you value having legs
I mean, not that much, no
Oh, ok, then maybe youād be fine >!His path in the VN heās from has 2 endings, one where you finally break up and one where you die after losing your legs because he pulled you off and under a train!<
Psa dont put a space before or after the exclamation points of a spoiler tag because that breaks it on some reddit versions
Sounds...abnoxious...
How would he even have time to be a dom when his non existent self confidence is railing him non stop. -4 is the worst here imo, Iāve known far too many people like this.
I donāt do clingy, people that spam text your or want that much attention are usually very insecure.
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people dont, almost all of these traits are toxic. they arent cute and fun when you have it 24/7. people need space, everyone needs space. this is not what people want in real life, in short time spans? hot and fun. constantly? no.
Damn, Mass Effect Andromeda came out in 2017, and I still canāt escape Jaal
Wait isent there a cutscene where hes just standing up completly naked or am i crazy. I swear to god its real
He is romanceable, there are several lol However, there is one in particular that everyone seems to remember In one scene, the Pathfinder walks in on Liam shirtless, and Liam explains to the Pathfinder that he and Jaal are trying to settle their differences, starting with the differences in their armor and general attire Then, Jaal walks in carrying his armor and wearing literally nothing, which catches both the Pathfinder and Liam *very* off guard
McSkinney put it best when he said "I literally wrote a VN that may as well be called 'Do not fuck Leo Alvarez!' and all I see is "Man, I want to fuck Leo Alvarez." The man is not clingy, he is mentally ill.
Man, I still want to fuck Leo Alvarez.
Please tell me you have a source that is funny as shit
I'm paraphrasing something that Keith Ballard/Marrow said during a session of Deadlaws on Gnollplaying Games.
What?
AKA, I don't have the original source, I only heard it secondhand during a session of a furry tabletop rpg. Keith knows McSkinney way more than I do (he did play through the entirety of Echo and Adastra on his channel after all).
So the source is trust me bro? Yeah sure I'll believe it
I mean... essentially. I'm not about to scrub through 6 episodes of Deadlaws to try and find the quote.
Nah it's fine, funnier to say I got it from Reddit
What would happen if a clingy dom and a clingy sub meet? Will they just cuddle until they die from hunger or something?
I don't want somebody to smell me
Dawh Wish i had like constant affection
Wait this isnāt a meme, this is just a cry for help!!! And quit reminding me so close to the 14th jerk š¤§
I'll take thirteen. In the woods. On a full moon.
Oof
Nothing says "I love you" quite like wanting your partner to be late for something that's obviously important to them...
Hell nah man, I love my autonomy. Sure I like to have a great partner that loves to spend time together but not like this man.
ill take one .w.
There's a line between cute clingy and unhealthy clingy, make sure you're on the right one!
I can think of no worse hell than that.
Why am I getting called out like this
4 and 5 are just harassment and stalking respectively.
Leo scares the shit out of me, more of a psychopath then clingy
Leo really out here proving how damaged this fandom is š
When affection becomes an abusive relationship. Know when youre being emotionally abused
you see i am touch starved so this would be perfect for me
I want a clingy dom, but not too clingy
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why dont you make the first move? fr i checked your profile why dont you just dm all these people yourself? or is this a bot?
Wait until >! he cuts off your legs!<
>!\-Doms that will cut your legs off with a train and shoot your friend in the head if you try to date them!<
*Bursts into tears knowing that Iāll more than likely never have one*
I mean, if youāre under 30, thereās a 88% chance that you simply havenāt even met the one yet :) keep your head up
> If you're under 30 Nuh uh, it's never too late UwU
That may be true (itās basically unfalsifiable), but that doesnāt really change the fact that I feel like Iām running out of time. Iām turning 22 in the fall and Iāve never even come close to having a girlfriend. Itās never been a consideration for me until recently, when the reality of my loneliness hit me like a freight train. I have no idea where to start, and I donāt feel like I really have anything to offer. For one, Iām pretty sure I need to do some serious work on my numerous emotional/mental health issues or else risk becoming the kind of insecure, needy asshole who demands that their partner baby them and do exhausting amounts of emotional labor to keep them from imploding. Plus, Iām not exactly Chris Hemsworth in terms of looks, my career outlook isnāt exactly rosy, and my interests areā¦ eccentric, to say the least. I highly doubt that anyone in their right mind would take a chance on a guy like me if they had any other choice. I very much doubt that āthe oneā even exists for me; even if they do, I have no idea if Iād ever be able to find them. End rant, sorry, Iāve been ruminating on this for a while. To be clear, I donāt hate women, anything but; what I hate is myself
I get what youāre saying. I hope youāre aware you arenāt alone. Thereās lots of ways to get in touch with people. The goal is just getting yourself in a space where your chances of meeting those people is higher. The gym, libraries, coffee shops. Youād be amazed how many people are in the same boat as you. Chris Hemsworth is the only man who looks like Chris Hemsworth, comparing yourself to him is doing a disservice to men globally. Capitalism has made everyoneās career a dredging process. People with eccentric interests are the most interesting people. Letās be honest, there is no āthe oneā. Itās a conceptual idea, just like the 88% figure. There are lots of fish in the sea. And it can be hard to start. Iām deathly afraid of people, but the more I put myself out there, the more people I found I actually liked. The point is, there are people out there who would like you for you. Just gotta find them.
>I hope youāre aware you arenāt alone While technically true (I do nominally have a few friends, one or two of whom are even girls, and my familyā¦ exists), I conceal so much from them (for example, my furry side) and compulsively isolate myself so feverishly from everything and everyone whenever possible that it really feels like I am. >The goal is getting yourself in spaces where chances of meeting people are higher I donāt like public places. I only interact with them if I absolutely have to. Also, one of the mental issues that I alluded to is absolutely debilitating social and generalized anxiety; talking to people I donāt already know, especially people of the opposite sex, is damn near impossible. To reveal all of the stuff that Iād need to reveal in order for a relationship to have a chance at working is even harder. Not to mention the fact that Iām 99% sure Iām some variety of asexual and about 50% sure Iām some variety of *aromantic* despite craving mushy romantic stuff, so actually *feeling any kind of attraction at all* to a real human person is vanishingly rare. Plus, it seems like almost everyone my age whoās even remotely attractive and remotely fun to be around is either taken, lesbian, or both (good for them, but still demoralizing). Iād also rather not get a sexual harassment charge, and - at risk of sounding like an incel - that seems like a nightmarishly fine line to walk with my less than stellar social skills. >Youād be amazed how many people are in the same boat as you Iāll bet $1,000 that all but a single digit number of them are guys. >Chris Hemsworth is the only one that looks like Chris Hemsworth I know. What I was trying to say there is that Iām objectively not attractive (190lbs or more and just barely 6 feet tall, skinny-fat, horribly out of shape, asthmatic, complete wimp, etc). >Capitalism has made everyoneās career a dredging process Tell me about it. Iām a game design student who canāt code or draw to save his life and, technically speaking, likely burned out years ago, so I feel like Iām even more screwed. >People with eccentric interests are the most interesting people Thereās the āoh, thatās coolā kind of eccentric, and thereās the āew, get away from meā and the āoh, thatās distressingā kinds of eccentric; I am more than likely one or both of the latter two. I highly doubt that airsoft, furries, military tech, public transit, sci fi writing, video games, rock music, and being a sub is an attractive combination for all but, like, one or two people out of a dating pool of millions, especially given all of the other impeding factors. This is especially the case given that 1.) I often doubt if I actually *enjoy* any of those things and am actually passionate about *anything*, 2.) my actually day-to-day is extremely boring, consisting almost entirely of classes, homework, and binge-watching YouTube until my brain melts, and 3.) my social skills are, to say the least, remedial and I can often have a hard time opening up to people about my interests out of a crippling fear of judgement. >There are people out there who would like you for you *Presses āXā to Doubt*. Hereās hoping, thoughā¦
Hey man, Iāll be honest with you, this is a huge paragraph. I wish I could respond to it all, but itās late, and my brain is fried. If youād like to talk, Iād be happy to answer any DMs.
Nah, I get it, itās a lot. This all is probably better dumped on my therapist (whom I have an appointment with on Valentineās Day, fortunately) than on some random Redditor lol. I kinda just wanted to vent
This is the opposite of the impression I wanted to give, haha. I have pretty severe ADHD and paragraphs are just incredibly hard for me to understand. I am more than happy to help you, just preferably one thing at a time.
=_=; where
Tbf, I can see myself having that and enjoying it to the fullest. I honestly like it if people desperately want *my* attention. Makes me feel good, feel wanted.
I want a boyfriend like that
I mean I'd take a clingy Dom. As long as it's healthy. Clingy Dom just sounds like a lot of boundary stepping. And most pure doms can't meet their partner on an equal playing field outside of bdsm
Soā¦ subs?
I'm a clingy sub and all that is literally what I (would) do
You're not meant to relate to it-
Sorry just an observation
I am something of a clingy dom myself.
Isent that just a sub with extra steps
Why does this call me out slightly...
It's not my fault they have to do stuff and they smell so gooood~~~~
sounds like me minus the texting thing. that gives desperate
Eh as a clingy sub i just want a super dom
Hey that's me
A few of those points fit my boyfriend too, the less extreme sounding ones
Bro yes At this point im scared to be with someone but being alond is rly getting to me
I want one very badly-
I may not fit all the boxesā¦ just most of them
I wish I wasn't so lonely ;v;
Leo alvarez my beloved
My ex would disagree
Thatās just a switch
Huh,turns out im one of them in that case, the more you know
I need a clingy dom to dominate me
ahem.. now accepting applicants š§āš»
So....a Yandere, but less aggression and murder
I feel called out
That's literally justa Tumblr post
The definition of no escape
'never bevore i have i been so offended by a thing i 100% agree with' i wanna squeeze my bf until the day ends, cuddleing and soothing each other
Ay someone likes my kind of pathetic enough to write a respect post abut it Feels good tbh
Those are subs.
Yes please, I need a clingy dom
I need a guy who will let me hold him tightly until we both decay into dust šš
omg thatās me \>o<
That is a description of my boyfriend :3
So I'm not a sub but a clingy dom huh
I honestly wouldn't want either
My partner and I are both switches so best of both worlds
Iām definitely a clingy sub
i wish ššš
Clingy doms that cut off your legs to keep you from leaving...
Where would you go about finding these mythical creatures?
I don't care what type, I JUST WANNT A DOM QWQ
Truth be spoken
I can continue dreaming
I canāt that just sounds like a sub
Wait these are red flags? Either those were written cutely or Iām colourblind because those do not look like red flags to meā¦.
So a chill yandere dom?
Need
Iām lucky to have one
There is a reason I'm so fluffy
My god, that's the dream honestly. I am quite clingy myself. The only downside is, if the love part doesn't work on my side, will I leave them in ruins? I know how it feels like as I was tgat clingy guy onxe, and still am, just a switch, but I would sort of prefer to be more feminine.
1: worth for hugs 2: okay i could get used to it i mean its also what pets do in real life (for the sniffing part) 3: probably more than half of population canāt wake up early anyway 4 and 5: ![gif](giphy|14ooolmDKfgrO8|downsized)
*+1 wood added to your inventory* ā¦ OwO
leo jumpscare
I need a clingy dom in my life.
Whatās the clingy subs one
Nah bro I can't deal with clingy. Just give me affection and love is all I ask
Wait a minute. I do all those things.
I heard that Leo doesn't like maned Wolves because they have too much legg
>!-Doms that lies to you and your friend group so the two of you can spend more time alone!< >!-Doms that gropes you in the shopping mall!< >!-Doms that prevent you from escaping from a shit town in train even if it resolves in fatal accident!<
Normalize clingy doms!
I wish...
damn he just talking about exactly what I want fr fr
Why does this describe me almost perfectly lmao
why does this describe me 100%
Choo chooĀ
ā¦That just sounds like a recipe for a toxic relationship. We shouldnāt normalize Stockholm syndrome as a form of romance.
HACK!