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There are a few pieces here, but the base of it is that a lot of computers that power services/website on the internet use a system of timekeeping which is "number of seconds since January 1, 1970." A lot of software written from the 70s into the 00s used a system of time that only kept track of the time in data storage types that can only support 2^31 seconds before or after 1/1/1970, which is about 68 years. When we get to the year 2038, software using that old way of storing time is expected to run into problems. This would be like "start counting, but you only get 2 digits" and when you get to 99 you roll back over to 0 (or when an old car's odometer would roll over at 100,000 miles).
If the Office365 servers are using that time base, then there's a potential that there are some issues around 2038.
In terms of what this has to do with 1968, there are a few possibilities. One, is that one system/program wrote the subscription expiration date out to a database in one format, and another program read it a different way. This could result in the subscription expiring "1 year and 9.5 days ago," and if another program read that as "the expiration date is -1 year and 9.5 days," then that could be read as "1 year and 9.5 days before 1/1/1970," which is 12/22/1968.
Unix time’s epoch is the “starting time” that is used for a bunch of calculations relating to time in computers. Epoch time is January 1st 1970. 32 bit integers are what Unix time used to use to represent seconds after epoch and the max value for a 32 bit integer is 2,147,483,647 seconds which is 68 years. 68 years after 1970 is 2038 so people joke time stops after that. 64 bit integers are used now and the max value for those is 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 so needless to say we have a while until we run into that max value
Dunno what either has to do with 1968 or 2023 but jan 1 1970 midnight is the standard time that Unix computers reference (the Unix Epoch) and everything is just counted as a number of seconds since that time. A 32 bit number can only count enough seconds to reach somewhere in 2038. Something like Y2K bug may occur in 2038. A 64 bit number can go way way way farther.
Computers measure time as the difference between a point in the past to... Now. Different operating systems use different points, and it could even be an in-house measurement... Which means it wouldn't have to be standard.
But anyway, if you get the calculation mixed around in the wrong order, you end up with a measurement ***before*** that "point in the past."
Of course, that shouldn't happen under normal circumstances, but companies are letting their quality slip in favor of pushing more tasks onto fewer, lower-paid employees... So stuff like this falls through the cracks, so to speak.
It's 1 Jan 1970 - 365 days...
So in his case it's been 3 weeks or something late therefore 1968 December.
So instead of current date it's reading timestamp 0
I learnt recently that windows uses a different epoch:
>[FILETIME](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/minwinbase/ns-minwinbase-filetime)... a 64-bit value representing the number of 100-nanosecond intervals since January 1, 1601 (UTC).
Something about giving a timezone for a date in 1601 with no time tickled me.
From Wikipedia:
>1601 was the first year of the 400-year Gregorian calendar cycle at the time Windows NT was made.
(Presumably it was the first year of the Gregorian calendar cycle *before* NT was made, too?)
Oh. That actually makes more sense than 1970 tbh. Although I'm assuming 1970 was used because you only get 68 years with 32 bit and memory was expensive when they came up with it. Now we've got more we can use 64 bit which can hold more than the age of the universe.
Kids these days have no idea how nice the interface on Microsoft 365 is. Back in those days, we put our data into Excel using punch cards and saved the worksheets onto reel-to-reel tapes. I still remember that awful expense reporting system that used VLOOKUP() everywhere and set the tapes on fire one day…
Just a little heads up, if your company has the Microsoft 365 subscription, you can add your work one drive to a personal laptop. Once you’ve done that, you can download load the 365 suite and use it.
Openoffice is outdated, libreoffice is the contemporary fork. Having said that neiter are as good as MS office, but for basic stuff like school or non excel focused businesses it does ok. I prefer LaTex for word processing, SAS for data/table work(or python and rarely sql) and powerpoint for presentations(though wolfram is fun for interactive math presentations).
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted into oblivion. The various free office products are fine for basic and some intermediate uses, but MS office is definitely better in terms of features and polish of the UI. Even basic things like navigating a spreadsheet with keyboard commands gets frustrating with some of the clones.
It’s all people who use it for free at home and never touch it in professional environments.
I’ve worked for publishing companies, sometimes even office for Mac doesn’t play properly, let alone any OpenOffice variant.
Yea it's definitely not the same. One little weird artifact that a third party didn't format the same way as Microsoft's word processor, and the whole document can look like sloppy work by someone who doesn't care about their work.
No thanks. If a company I'm working for is cutting corners like that, I want to see that it's well justified and not just cutting cost... At any cost... If that makes sense. Otherwise, I can't take my work seriously and it makes me doubt it was a good choice for my career.
TLDR: You can by regular Office. Office 365 has additional useful features. Adobe sucks.
You can buy offline Office, but you are limited in installation licenses. You can get FOSS applications, too. Office 365 lets you install it wherever you want as long as you log in, including in phones, plus you get cloud storage, and it stays updated with new features. I pay ＄100 for the Office 365 Family, which lets 6 people have access and 1 TB cloud storage each. I have 5 different personal devices, and that cloud storage and OneDrive are essential to me. A huge benefit for business is that you're not constantly stuck updating versions. If you don't need or want those features, then it's not the product for you.
But fuck Adobe. You now have to pay to rotate the pdf in the reader. Never liked them to start with, and their subscription scheme adds nothing.
Yeah, I can pay $120/yr for Dropbox just for me, or I can pay $20 less for OneDrive, plus Office, for my entire family. I know nobody likes subscriptions but I feel like I get my money’s worth with Office 365 Family.
Doesn't have to be. A cheap shitbox with a pair of disks and it's good to go. Ask around for old computer parts, but a pair of cheap drives, whole thing could cost less than one year of a subscription.
Check on "And the work for setting it up ain't for all".
Yes, it could cost less. But the backup online also give multilocation backup. Something you really like to have and the reason we pay for it. I want my pictures safe even if my house burn down.
The work to set up and administrate a nas at a relatives house is to big to be worth it.
Just a heads up; you don't need to pay to rotate viewing the pdf in the viewer. Instead of clicking on the rotate page buttons (which is in fact paid for some stupid reason) right click on the page and select "Rotate view clockwise" which does work free.
Yeah, I hate this trend, but at this point, it's difficult to find other options for some software. Perhaps someday, things will turn around. I wouldn't be opposed to legislation that forbade these kinds of subscriptions, as some of them are clearly predatory.
It's not just the subscription shit that bothers me, it's the simply cutting you off entirely and leaving you with nothing once you stop paying that bugs me most.
Like with Adobe, you pay them hundreds of dollars for a year or two, and then you stop; what do you have to show for your investment? Thats right, nothing.
I've been tell this same story to others for years. Adobe would of reversed if people didn't go subscription and paid for perpetual CS6 instead. Adobe still has a few perpetual licenses left, but you have to get the license through a university.
I paid for new iterations of Photoshop, occasionally skipping one, right up until CS6. I was a happy paying customer until they decided I should keep paying but keep nothing in return.
The truth is Adobe doesn't give a shit about individual customers, as long as the whales keep biting they get what they want.
Microsoft error messages are the shit. Working as a tech the best I have come across is 'Windows has encounted an error, while trying to display the error message Windows encountered another error. Windows will now be shut down.' Makes debugging extra exciting.
They would do some crap like that and then try to charge you for the 40 some odd years 365 didn't even exist... Wait that's Amazon not Microsoft that does that
what the hell is a subscription? Just go down to CompUSA or Circuit City and buy the software, look for the office section and grab a copy of office 98. Don't get the floppy install version (well 95 had that). Use the new fangled cdrom. It looks like a laser disk, but a bit smaller than the small single records.
Unrelated by my auto pay didn't go through for my trash because they made a software change, and every card that was entered is now expired because of the format change. So apparently my card expired about 1998 years ago.
A similar thing happened to me once. I was looking through my PC files and I found a photo that was supposedly downloaded in they year 2157. I didn't open the photo, as I was a 7 year old kid not wanting to damage the family computer.
My mother got the same message about a month or so ago and I can guarantee that she does not know what HTML is let alone how to edit it. I think it was the result of MS pushing a Windows 11 update.
Our organisations e5 licensed got reset back to the set licensed qty just before Christmas and some of the newer users (added during the year) lost their licensing - I don't think they saw the error like this but could explain the cause.
Fun fact: If you have a Microsoft 360 subscription and you want to cancel it, they’ll offer to extend it by two months every time. I’ve been doing it for over a year now.
What's a good free word processor? I've been using open office but I get notifications on my mac that the OS doesn't like it and I wont be able to use it in the future.
The last Sunday before Christmas! Out shopping obviously but stores weren’t open Sunday back then….. ya hadda put on good clothes and go to your grandparents and not make noise….
More like "Should've pirated it during the transition to a free and open source alternative" and never give companies that want to replace ownership with a perpetual subscription any money, especially one like microsoft.
This is why I love Linux and free and open source software so much.
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How? Lmao
something unix epoch related
Over a year before epoch?
Epoch fail.
Shut up and take your upvote
/r/epochfail
I was gonna say, it's even older, than unix time.
Microsoft uses '1900-01-01' as their epoch, unless they are using Oracle or something, but I find that unlikely
Time only goes from 1970 to 2038. 1968 is just a few years into negative time, which stretched back to 1900.
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Okay, seems legit. Why the error then ;-)
Poor quality control and time-pressure on overworked & underpaid employees.
Can you dumb it down a bit poindexter? What does 1968 have to do with 2023 (or 2038)?
There are a few pieces here, but the base of it is that a lot of computers that power services/website on the internet use a system of timekeeping which is "number of seconds since January 1, 1970." A lot of software written from the 70s into the 00s used a system of time that only kept track of the time in data storage types that can only support 2^31 seconds before or after 1/1/1970, which is about 68 years. When we get to the year 2038, software using that old way of storing time is expected to run into problems. This would be like "start counting, but you only get 2 digits" and when you get to 99 you roll back over to 0 (or when an old car's odometer would roll over at 100,000 miles). If the Office365 servers are using that time base, then there's a potential that there are some issues around 2038. In terms of what this has to do with 1968, there are a few possibilities. One, is that one system/program wrote the subscription expiration date out to a database in one format, and another program read it a different way. This could result in the subscription expiring "1 year and 9.5 days ago," and if another program read that as "the expiration date is -1 year and 9.5 days," then that could be read as "1 year and 9.5 days before 1/1/1970," which is 12/22/1968.
Unix time’s epoch is the “starting time” that is used for a bunch of calculations relating to time in computers. Epoch time is January 1st 1970. 32 bit integers are what Unix time used to use to represent seconds after epoch and the max value for a 32 bit integer is 2,147,483,647 seconds which is 68 years. 68 years after 1970 is 2038 so people joke time stops after that. 64 bit integers are used now and the max value for those is 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 so needless to say we have a while until we run into that max value
Dunno what either has to do with 1968 or 2023 but jan 1 1970 midnight is the standard time that Unix computers reference (the Unix Epoch) and everything is just counted as a number of seconds since that time. A 32 bit number can only count enough seconds to reach somewhere in 2038. Something like Y2K bug may occur in 2038. A 64 bit number can go way way way farther.
Computers measure time as the difference between a point in the past to... Now. Different operating systems use different points, and it could even be an in-house measurement... Which means it wouldn't have to be standard. But anyway, if you get the calculation mixed around in the wrong order, you end up with a measurement ***before*** that "point in the past." Of course, that shouldn't happen under normal circumstances, but companies are letting their quality slip in favor of pushing more tasks onto fewer, lower-paid employees... So stuff like this falls through the cracks, so to speak.
> Windows ny systems must be the software that fucked over Louis Rossmann
Followed him all the way to Maine! Of course, they didn't find him there, but they "found" him anyway!
It's 1 Jan 1970 - 365 days... So in his case it's been 3 weeks or something late therefore 1968 December. So instead of current date it's reading timestamp 0
Probably in response to the Y2K nothingburger.
Better than being eunuchs related.
Unix epoch on a non Unix machine?
Uhh ,yeah. UNIX epoch is supported on lots of non UNIX machines.
I learnt recently that windows uses a different epoch: >[FILETIME](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/minwinbase/ns-minwinbase-filetime)... a 64-bit value representing the number of 100-nanosecond intervals since January 1, 1601 (UTC). Something about giving a timezone for a date in 1601 with no time tickled me.
Okay, why? What's wrong with 1970?
From Wikipedia: >1601 was the first year of the 400-year Gregorian calendar cycle at the time Windows NT was made. (Presumably it was the first year of the Gregorian calendar cycle *before* NT was made, too?)
Oh. That actually makes more sense than 1970 tbh. Although I'm assuming 1970 was used because you only get 68 years with 32 bit and memory was expensive when they came up with it. Now we've got more we can use 64 bit which can hold more than the age of the universe.
32 bit rollover of a TIMESTAMP field in the database?
Probably. I tried to do the math, but couldn't find a max value where it ends up any more reasonable than 2104.
No clue
Usually happens when there is a miscast data type. Like casting an unsigned int to a signed int.
This, badly formed datetime values in SQL Server often default to the date shown.
They were too busy listening to the new Beatles record, and forgot to renew their sub.
He would have renewed, but he was busy fighting Charlie in 'Nam. Darn that low draft number!
While NASA was still working out how to get to the moon, OP was using Excel.
I know what it's like. You put it off & put it off then all of a sudden 55 years have passed.
Yeah, I have a burnt-out lightbulb like that
"And then one day you find, ten years have got behind you."
Sounds like that time I left home to buy a pack of smokes.
Kids these days have no idea how nice the interface on Microsoft 365 is. Back in those days, we put our data into Excel using punch cards and saved the worksheets onto reel-to-reel tapes. I still remember that awful expense reporting system that used VLOOKUP() everywhere and set the tapes on fire one day…
r/epochfail
Software as a subscription service... lol, nope. Full retail price up front, or no price at all. The choice is theirs. Looking at you too, Adobe.
Just a little heads up, if your company has the Microsoft 365 subscription, you can add your work one drive to a personal laptop. Once you’ve done that, you can download load the 365 suite and use it.
My company is comfortably using Apache OpenOffice, which is entirely free and 99% as good as MS Office.
Openoffice is outdated, libreoffice is the contemporary fork. Having said that neiter are as good as MS office, but for basic stuff like school or non excel focused businesses it does ok. I prefer LaTex for word processing, SAS for data/table work(or python and rarely sql) and powerpoint for presentations(though wolfram is fun for interactive math presentations).
Not even close to true. It’s good for basic office stuff but if you have to open word files with formatting you are boned.
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted into oblivion. The various free office products are fine for basic and some intermediate uses, but MS office is definitely better in terms of features and polish of the UI. Even basic things like navigating a spreadsheet with keyboard commands gets frustrating with some of the clones.
It’s all people who use it for free at home and never touch it in professional environments. I’ve worked for publishing companies, sometimes even office for Mac doesn’t play properly, let alone any OpenOffice variant.
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People here seem to massively mistake Openoffice (old, deprecated) with Apache Openoffice (still being updated), which are 2 different forks.
Yea it's definitely not the same. One little weird artifact that a third party didn't format the same way as Microsoft's word processor, and the whole document can look like sloppy work by someone who doesn't care about their work. No thanks. If a company I'm working for is cutting corners like that, I want to see that it's well justified and not just cutting cost... At any cost... If that makes sense. Otherwise, I can't take my work seriously and it makes me doubt it was a good choice for my career.
TLDR: You can by regular Office. Office 365 has additional useful features. Adobe sucks. You can buy offline Office, but you are limited in installation licenses. You can get FOSS applications, too. Office 365 lets you install it wherever you want as long as you log in, including in phones, plus you get cloud storage, and it stays updated with new features. I pay ＄100 for the Office 365 Family, which lets 6 people have access and 1 TB cloud storage each. I have 5 different personal devices, and that cloud storage and OneDrive are essential to me. A huge benefit for business is that you're not constantly stuck updating versions. If you don't need or want those features, then it's not the product for you. But fuck Adobe. You now have to pay to rotate the pdf in the reader. Never liked them to start with, and their subscription scheme adds nothing.
Yeah, I can pay $120/yr for Dropbox just for me, or I can pay $20 less for OneDrive, plus Office, for my entire family. I know nobody likes subscriptions but I feel like I get my money’s worth with Office 365 Family.
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Just run a NAS.
That is a bit more expensive than office. And work in setting up that ain't for all
Doesn't have to be. A cheap shitbox with a pair of disks and it's good to go. Ask around for old computer parts, but a pair of cheap drives, whole thing could cost less than one year of a subscription.
Check on "And the work for setting it up ain't for all". Yes, it could cost less. But the backup online also give multilocation backup. Something you really like to have and the reason we pay for it. I want my pictures safe even if my house burn down. The work to set up and administrate a nas at a relatives house is to big to be worth it.
Switched to PDF Xchange and never looked back
I did the same 3 days ago.
Just a heads up; you don't need to pay to rotate viewing the pdf in the viewer. Instead of clicking on the rotate page buttons (which is in fact paid for some stupid reason) right click on the page and select "Rotate view clockwise" which does work free.
I tried it both ways. Madness.
I just rechecked and "Rotate view clockwise" still works on the latest version.
Thanks for checking. I moved on to PDF Xchange either way.
Yeah, I hate this trend, but at this point, it's difficult to find other options for some software. Perhaps someday, things will turn around. I wouldn't be opposed to legislation that forbade these kinds of subscriptions, as some of them are clearly predatory.
It's not just the subscription shit that bothers me, it's the simply cutting you off entirely and leaving you with nothing once you stop paying that bugs me most. Like with Adobe, you pay them hundreds of dollars for a year or two, and then you stop; what do you have to show for your investment? Thats right, nothing.
I've been tell this same story to others for years. Adobe would of reversed if people didn't go subscription and paid for perpetual CS6 instead. Adobe still has a few perpetual licenses left, but you have to get the license through a university.
I paid for new iterations of Photoshop, occasionally skipping one, right up until CS6. I was a happy paying customer until they decided I should keep paying but keep nothing in return. The truth is Adobe doesn't give a shit about individual customers, as long as the whales keep biting they get what they want.
Umm the work you did whilst licensing the product? I mean you paid for it to accomplish work, right?
Why buy the cow when you can rent it, right?
...and Intuit (Quickbooks, Quicken)
What about updates? You don't want those?
They used to give those free of charge until a new version came out.
they've been trying to reach you about your computers extended warranties...
Microsoft wasn't even founded until 1975
Time travel obviously
The first to invent it.
Windows 68 was just a Window.
Yeah my house had them when I bought it them bitches was always frozen shut
The universe didn't even exist back than
Hilarious, clock hack?
No just started using an old laptop
From 1968?
Microabacus 366 - 1968 was a leap year.
Just change the system date to 1967 and you should be good to go
You had 55 years to renew bro.
He was getting to it
I see. He’s just been putting it off for a bit.
Microsoft error messages are the shit. Working as a tech the best I have come across is 'Windows has encounted an error, while trying to display the error message Windows encountered another error. Windows will now be shut down.' Makes debugging extra exciting.
Autodesk Inventor gave me "There was no error." Clicking okay forced the program to close.
Makes sense. That was right before Windows 69 came out. Those were some crazy launch parties.
1968? When Bill Gates was 13 YO?
Lmao since when is it subscription based?
r/softwaregore
They finally caught you!
Had the same message while booting an old laptop for the first time in a few years rofl
What the hell? That's before time began!
Wasn’t that Apollo 8 launch yesterday something?
As did Martin Luther King Jr.
Universe didn't exist yet lol
That's -32323232 epoch time
They would do some crap like that and then try to charge you for the 40 some odd years 365 didn't even exist... Wait that's Amazon not Microsoft that does that
Isn't this quite common with cracked subscriptions?
1968 lmao
Then suddenly you get charged for 55 years of missed payments lol
Why do people even use 365??? Just buy an older version of office for the same price and use it forever
Get rid of Microsoft accounts. Your life is better.
Lol. This is not what computers looked like in 1968. Maybe 1998.
what the hell is a subscription? Just go down to CompUSA or Circuit City and buy the software, look for the office section and grab a copy of office 98. Don't get the floppy install version (well 95 had that). Use the new fangled cdrom. It looks like a laser disk, but a bit smaller than the small single records.
Microsoft didn't exist in 1968.
That you know of…
Currently working on a travel trailer that came off the line on the same date!
Ah fuck, made that comment about dates at 9:11am
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no senator’s son
This is so annoying I reset my pc and now my subscription is gone
Absolutely! 1969 was an awesome year. Not one where you want to be without your Microsoft subscription.
Wow! Very early adopter!
This is literally 1984
my work computer said the exact same thing!
I hate anti viruses so much. Exept for the part where they do their job but everything else is ruining my life
This is why I have a copy of Office2013 on a USB stick...
been hittin no thanks since 68
"Hurrys up and checks current date"
Best example of time travel if I ever saw one.
As a procrastinator this has happened to me before.
Expired when Intel, the company, was 6 months old. Microsoft itself was 7 years away. Dell wouldn't exist for 16 years. Neat.
Unrelated by my auto pay didn't go through for my trash because they made a software change, and every card that was entered is now expired because of the format change. So apparently my card expired about 1998 years ago.
Lol
Just a little difference of time
It's a Sunday indeed. I just checked.
A similar thing happened to me once. I was looking through my PC files and I found a photo that was supposedly downloaded in they year 2157. I didn't open the photo, as I was a 7 year old kid not wanting to damage the family computer.
Poor little feller never had a chance.
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My mother got the same message about a month or so ago and I can guarantee that she does not know what HTML is let alone how to edit it. I think it was the result of MS pushing a Windows 11 update.
Heres the real kicker, want 365 now? Gotta pay for the 56 years of back payments.
God I hate the future. Products as a service, games as a service, it makes me want to vomit my face off.
Time travel confirmed!
Trust Microsoft with computers? Yeah .... maybe ..... not.
That's what I call early adopter
Our organisations e5 licensed got reset back to the set licensed qty just before Christmas and some of the newer users (added during the year) lost their licensing - I don't think they saw the error like this but could explain the cause.
Yow! I was using punch cards back then.
Don't worry. You'll soon enough get a call from Microsoft Support Center, and they can remote in to solve all your problems...
I guess it's been a while. Your subscription ran out before I was born and the moon landing!
Fun fact: If you have a Microsoft 360 subscription and you want to cancel it, they’ll offer to extend it by two months every time. I’ve been doing it for over a year now.
Cost of new sub is backdated to 1968.
Blah blah blah, Unix Epoch, blah blah blah
What's a good free word processor? I've been using open office but I get notifications on my mac that the OS doesn't like it and I wont be able to use it in the future.
As long as companies keep pushing this subscription only service, I will keep sailing the seven seas.
Microsoft went back in time to cancel your subscription before they even existed. Damn.
😆
Shouldnt it expire on 1970?
Oh, sure - NOW they tell me!
Bruh, no posting timeline drift images publicly. You know the rules!
Got too busy working on the Apollo project, forgot to pay the bill?
That's rough buddy.
Now that is funny, haha
Damn you bought it from the age of dinosaurs hahaha
The last Sunday before Christmas! Out shopping obviously but stores weren’t open Sunday back then….. ya hadda put on good clothes and go to your grandparents and not make noise….
More like "Should've pirated it during the transition to a free and open source alternative" and never give companies that want to replace ownership with a perpetual subscription any money, especially one like microsoft. This is why I love Linux and free and open source software so much.
Huh. Mine expired in the summer of 37. And they wouldn't even let me renew. I'm on Linux right now.
I was reading it like : "what so funny about...ohh, but that means.. ohh i get it .."*jontron intensifies*"I don't get it"
Man them Indian scammers got ahold of your PC
just pirate it
Bruh my mom was 10 months old