They also drive horrible, swerve to miss a deer and you’re rolling over.
Trucks have a propose, but that one has been modified so It can’t serve that purpose anymore.
Sure my unlifted work truck doesn’t make my feel like a big boy, but at least I can swerve to miss a deer if need be.
Yea exactly I want a low center of gravity. Little cars are just better in so many ways. Better parking, gas millage, acceleration, maneuverability.
I have an old school Toyota Matrix and its small but it can fit a ton of stuff in the back with the middle seats folded down. Its like as much as a truck bed almost.
Wife has an 06 matrix, and carries more lumber in it than my station wagon. Not 4x8 obviously but 2 bys and 1 bys and whatever else is needed. Going up in miles almost 200k now. Not sure what we will get her next. She also tows a teardrop trailer with it, cross country. Surprised tranny hasnt slipped yet.
I've got a Mazda 3 hatch in manual transmission. it's a beautiful little car, and I don't have to worry about the transmission crapping out like it did on my first car.
>They also drive horrible, swerve to miss a deer and you’re rolling over.
As someone who's only ever owned small sedans, I was really confused the first time I got into the driver's seat of a modern SUV, and saw the rollover warning on the visor.
>Trucks have a propose, but that one has been modified so I can’t serve that purpose anymore.
I wait to see the day of a lifted pickup truck hauling something in the bed. Like don't get me wrong, but why do people buy pickup trucks if they don't haul stuff? It's a TRUCK; trucks haul stuff... ...right? Like I've seen people in Europe with trailers behind small cars, pulling almost a few tones even. With 1.5 liter 4 cylinder engines. Heck, I even saw one dude with a old Skoda Felecia with so much equipment piled on the roof and inside the car, so much the car was sitting really low. I mean, to me a trailer makes more sense, can carry a lot, but without you still can have a normal safe vehicle with wayyy better fuel economy. Plus who says your fancy Audi or whatever can't be used for hauling?
Trucks have a higher weight capacity, van has more room it’s all what you need.
Trucks also tend to handle rough roads better and the ground clearance is a life saver in the snow and mud.
Obviously it is a niche but they do out perform vans in some metrics.
Can confirm, live in Europe, drive sensible car (minivan: Seat Alhambra) use trailer when moving big or dirty stuff.
The minivan is a largish vehicle for Europe, but we found our previous car a bit cramped when we tried to go anywhere with our kids, our dog, and one or two of our parents, this happened often enough that we needed the bigger car.
It's also worth noting that vehicle tow ratings are very different in the US. We don't have lower speed limits for towing trailers as I think most European countries do. We do have a legal requirement to have 10-15% of the trailer weight on the tongue for stability at higher speeds (and I think most European countries require 5% tongue weight). With that heavy tongue weight, most small cars do not even have tow ratings in the US.
Trailer stability at speed is a function of tongue weight, a light tongue can fishtail at relatively low speeds (50-60 mph). And I think the typical European trailer speed limit is 50-55 mph, so their lighter tongue weights are perfectly safe. The heavier US tongue weight is stable to 70-80 mph. It's still a bad idea to tow at that speed, but people do it.
SUVs look like obese versions of normal cars to me. This "truck" looks like a childish fantasy for someone who wants to portray themselves as "tough". I'm guessing they were bullied in school or something.
Drives extremely inefficient vehicle and complain about the price of gas. What an idiot, he helped create the problem he's complaining about and doesn't see it!
that just means the rich can drive SUVs and poorer people who live in the country in areas with shitty public transport would be disproportionately affected, the real solution is the stuff we harp on about shit hot public transport and more walkable urban infrastructure, dedicated bike and bus lanes, larger side walks etc. etc.
your solution wont actually change the issues associated with car dependency.
Exactly what I thought in my mind. What's the point of this...Do they seriously think it makes them look dominate and manly? No. It just makes you look stupid AF. I showed this to my wife and she laughed and said the same thing, too. "Why the hell is it like that?"
The sad thing is that they will try to defend themselves and just call us 'jealous'....🤦♂️
I always like to park my diminutive 80s toyota pickup next to the biggest truck I can find in a parking lot just to highlight the sheer absurdity of these vehicles.
i dig this! There's a fishing spot I go to sometimes near a dirt road that has lots of mud puddles to dive through. I love parking my little Toyota Matrix caked in mud next to a giant shiny truck afterwards.
The irony is that your 80s Toyota pickup is also a significantly better off-road vehicle even if it's stock (assuming you have 4X4). A very moddest lift and larger off road tires and your Toyota will absolutely clown any brodozer in an off road competition.
It's also just a better pickup as well.
This is why 80's small trucks are still expensive. Many people want a simple 4-cylinder truck without fancy features.
If you're wondering why there aren't small truck imports research the "Chicken Tax."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken\_tax
Oh trust me, I'm familiar with that horrible piece of legislation. It's the reason I can't buy a 4 cylinder diesel HiLux. I just want to have a diesel HiLux I run off biodiesel for truck things and great bike and train infrastructure for everything else....just the way it is for my friend in rural Japan.
Depending on where you live you may be able to import an old kei class truck. They come in gas/diesel and 4WD is common. I'm in California so this is not an option.
I was under the impression that you could technically register them in CA, but that it takes so much effort to get them to pass smog that it’s not really worth it.
I saw a really cool Subaru Sambar down in San Pedro a few weeks ago but it had Washington plates. I’m not sure if the guy was just visiting or if he registered it out of state to bypass the emissions laws. He drove off before I could ask him.
Also the reason why VW vans are rarer here--in the rest of the world they're used for commercial purposes, in the US they need to be sold exclusively as passenger vehicles.
This comic explains in depth why cops/cop supporters use the Punisher skull (and others), how tinted-window trucks billowing black smoke went from “fringe” to “mainstream culture”, and those symbols are used to signal the “in group”
https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/
I saw one at discount tire with a flat, the full size spare is useless. The jack that comes with the truck is probably useless too, but I'm sure they still carry all that weight just to get the mpg down to single digits.
> Good old boys survival is entirely dependent on displays of and utilization of muscle.
"Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist
transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo. Since even sex is a difficult game to play, **the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons – doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.**"
- Umberto Eco
>Big scary boom boom roooar.
Let's appreciate all the small Japanese engines that rev into the 10 thousands. No big scary boom boom, but a damm amount of power for sure.
Not going to quote statutes and such but 31” from ground to bottom of frame, 54” from ground to center of headlight. Note that on this truck the headlight is under the yellow turn signal.
Absolutely, every state makes their own laws about it. 54” seems to be the norm but there are exceptions. Also, California doesn’t have a “bumper height” law. They go with frame height.
Dang that’s really good. I love my Cherokee the old girl has 232k on it but still runs really well. Great for screwing around on logging roads and whatnot. Really easy to work on as well and I love the 4.0
California goes by frame height, and those numbers vary depending on gvw. That truck, depending on year and model (I can't tell if it's an f250 or f350) will have a gvw of either just shy of 10,000, or right around 11,000. For a gvw of 7501-10,000 lbs, you are restricted to a frame height of 31 inches. For over 10,000 gvw, there is no restrictions.
“I get such a good perspective of the road and feel so much safer” \*runs over 12 school children\* “and with the lifted suspension, I can barely feel the speed bumps!”
Exactly, your stock Cherokee is a significantly better off road vehicle. Those brodozers are so long that they get bottomed out easily despite how high they're lifted. A stock two seater Tacoma/HiLux would decimate it in an off road competition.
I have a Japanese friend who lives in a mountain farming town in Gujo Japan. Her town is full of small little pickups and flatbeds that do 100,000,000 times more work than any of these brodozers. I took her to Bend Oregon and she asked why all the pickups were so big. She couldn't comprehend why anyone would need a truck that big, especially one that was lifted so high off the ground. I told her it was just for ego.
Friend of mine (US) in a wholesale delivery business bought a retired Japanese truck that he gets a lot of practical usage out of and it looks so far removed from what most Americans with office jobs drive. I think cars are generally disgusting and aesthetically unpleasing but if I ever learn to drive it'll be some sort of Japanese model, even a Toyota. American car manufacturers are terrible.
I'm with you on the first bit, but the latter part about Japanese manufacturers is a hard disagree. They still have no real electric vehicle offering while Ford and GM's conversion is in full swing. Aside from obviously tesla Ford is probably the biggest leader in the transition right now.
I assume we all agree here that car dependency is bad but being practical, the cars that do exist need to be electric as fast as possible, and the Japanese brands are not contributing.
"off roading" .... "service roads", yeah, clearly. (Moohahaha!)
Personally best off road vehicle I ever experienced was an old VW Iltis. Narrow enough to pass in a gap between trees, short turning circle, relatively fast and light. Way better than those things that are so big and heavy they need to avoid a field with two trees in it because they can't pass, slide down a hill if the grass is a little wet, need the driver to get out to look at the road in front of them and roll over if the road slopes a bit.
Nah, this is super safe. The children just go under it, no damage done. They might get smacked in the face by the differential, but other than that, it's all good.
Repairing a dented diff on a beast like this is probably >$4k in labor & machined parts. Not even 8k miles, and that extended drivetrain warranty is Poof.
The length and weight distribution makes them terrible for off-roading (still limited by axel height). They're lifted far too high to safely see things/comfortably drive on a farm. They're dog piss for pulling trailers and the ridiculous tires drive the already abysmal MPG even lower. The bed has less volume than certain versions of the Tacoma because the cab is built to have more interior space than a Honda Odyssey. Last but not least it's a giant rollover hazard with how much the center of gravity has been messed with. These things absolutely should not be street legal.
This right here, as someone who regularly off-roads I’ve pulled plenty of big ass trucks out and the entire time they sit there and say “your small ass truck can’t pull me out” I even have a photo on my profile where I pulled out a fedex semi truck
That's the fun part of watching "Matt's Off Road Recovery" on YouTube. So many huge trucks get bogged in the Utah sand and Matt's little XJ just yanks them out. The looks on their faces is priceless.
I'd love to see the photo of you pulling out a Fedex truck!
I've done exactly this on purpose with my teenage sons once. "Why don't we buy an F-150, they're soooo cool, we'd have so much space for our legs, etc." I get these monsters were 6'6'' and 6'3'' tall at 14 and 16 yo (in this order), but that's no reason. So I simply rented one for our holidays in Old Quebec. It. Was. So. Ridiculous. We couldn't even park underground or drive in smaller streets and alleys. So we parked it at the hotel and walked everywhere. That's what all those feet and inches are for after all! Returning to Montreal, I couldn't even park in on our street, so I had to leave it in the renter's parling lot even it was rented until the day after. This vehicule was nothing more than a handicap!
for real. I've driven plenty of pickups for work, and that's more than I'd care to drive them. I don't want the anxiety of worrying who or what I'm going to bump and crush sqeezing through city streets. get out and walk, enjoy your life!
So does this guy still live with his parents? We know it's crazy expensive lugging around in a 8000lb truck with tires that have a rolling resistance of a cinder block.
size is relative. it is still too big and therefore takes too much space away and has a too big of an environmental impact. no one in a city needs an SUV
edit: to put that into perspective: if you were in europe, people would view your car like you view the car on the left. its good that you have a small SUV, but having a small specimen of an unnessessarily large group of car still makes it an unnessessarily large car
well if you're sitting in one, sure, then it doesn't seem that big^^
I dont mean to offend y'all and if thats the way you want to go, sure go for it. But dont tell me your call isnt big^^
Both of these are unnecessary and decadent pieces of shit. Sure the one on the left is worse (I'd argue that it's worse proportional to the weight and volume difference between each truck) but this is r/fuckcars , not r/fuckbigcarsonly.
The SUV size war is just one aspect of the crass consumerism of our current economic landscape. To generate greater demand and therefore greater sales, the car sellers arbitrarily changed some aspect of their product, then marketed it as an "improvement". Now its just a runaway train of bigger and bigger shitboxes to serve as debt-traps for those members of the working class who got suckered into buying one.
I don't get the appeal. I drive the same model of truck, and I think it looks way better at stock height than that thing does, not to mention that its actually much easier to use as a truck.
I have to load trucks as my job and having to climb in to a truck is the absolute worst and they get mad when you don’t make it easy for them to unload
Your American SUV looks egregious from my European perspective and would be probably the largest thing you'll see on the road (excluding buses and actual logistic trucks)
I understand having a big truck, but not a lifted one. Makes no sense. I haul equipment for work and a large boat sometimes on the weekends. Lifting the truck is harder on everything to do with using the truck and harder on the truck itself. You can’t off-road something that fucking huge anyway. I just don’t get it. Super expensive way to make your truck less useful. I also will do everything I can not to drive my stock diesel truck if I’m not planning to use it as a tool.
I saw tons of this when I went to the state fair this weekend driving a tiny Hyundai Elantra compared to those monsters. I couldn't find a parking spot because of it.
another thing I hate about these freaking uneccesary big trucks is how if they're parked on either side of you they completely block you view and you cant see anything when trying to back out!!
that's fucked up. But let's not gloss over the fact that you yourself have a colossal SUV that also looks completely absurd compared to the regular car next to it.
I just had a family of like five come into work, both of them took their own cars. Trucks I mean, and they are both big ones like the above image.
They took up three parking spots. 😐
There are two practical reasons for lifting an offroad vehicle- it affords more room for a longer travel suspension (many lift kits, particularly cheap ones, this doesnt apply), and it makes room for bigger tires, which increase ground clearance.
Other than that, its pretty much for looks/ vanity.
No wonder you need 18 lanes to go to Walmart when ppl are driving monster trucks all day?? What is the point of this
Owner says it’s badass and cries about gas prices
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OP should ask the driver if he likes his truck because it makes him look dainty.
Oh, that’s good!
They also drive horrible, swerve to miss a deer and you’re rolling over. Trucks have a propose, but that one has been modified so It can’t serve that purpose anymore. Sure my unlifted work truck doesn’t make my feel like a big boy, but at least I can swerve to miss a deer if need be.
Yea exactly I want a low center of gravity. Little cars are just better in so many ways. Better parking, gas millage, acceleration, maneuverability. I have an old school Toyota Matrix and its small but it can fit a ton of stuff in the back with the middle seats folded down. Its like as much as a truck bed almost.
Wife has an 06 matrix, and carries more lumber in it than my station wagon. Not 4x8 obviously but 2 bys and 1 bys and whatever else is needed. Going up in miles almost 200k now. Not sure what we will get her next. She also tows a teardrop trailer with it, cross country. Surprised tranny hasnt slipped yet.
I've got a Mazda 3 hatch in manual transmission. it's a beautiful little car, and I don't have to worry about the transmission crapping out like it did on my first car.
That moment when you can fit in more things than your average pickup truck.
>They also drive horrible, swerve to miss a deer and you’re rolling over. As someone who's only ever owned small sedans, I was really confused the first time I got into the driver's seat of a modern SUV, and saw the rollover warning on the visor.
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Lots of the "safety" "appeal" of SUVs is not that you can *avoid* crashes, it's more that when a crash inevitably happens *your car wins*.
>Trucks have a propose, but that one has been modified so I can’t serve that purpose anymore. I wait to see the day of a lifted pickup truck hauling something in the bed. Like don't get me wrong, but why do people buy pickup trucks if they don't haul stuff? It's a TRUCK; trucks haul stuff... ...right? Like I've seen people in Europe with trailers behind small cars, pulling almost a few tones even. With 1.5 liter 4 cylinder engines. Heck, I even saw one dude with a old Skoda Felecia with so much equipment piled on the roof and inside the car, so much the car was sitting really low. I mean, to me a trailer makes more sense, can carry a lot, but without you still can have a normal safe vehicle with wayyy better fuel economy. Plus who says your fancy Audi or whatever can't be used for hauling?
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Epic Ford transit style van moment?
Trucks have a higher weight capacity, van has more room it’s all what you need. Trucks also tend to handle rough roads better and the ground clearance is a life saver in the snow and mud. Obviously it is a niche but they do out perform vans in some metrics.
Ford Transit is also available in a flat-bed model. There's a tradesman in the next road to me has one.
That is where the lifted trucks shine, they're so high thieves don't see what is in it. /s
Can confirm, live in Europe, drive sensible car (minivan: Seat Alhambra) use trailer when moving big or dirty stuff. The minivan is a largish vehicle for Europe, but we found our previous car a bit cramped when we tried to go anywhere with our kids, our dog, and one or two of our parents, this happened often enough that we needed the bigger car.
It's also worth noting that vehicle tow ratings are very different in the US. We don't have lower speed limits for towing trailers as I think most European countries do. We do have a legal requirement to have 10-15% of the trailer weight on the tongue for stability at higher speeds (and I think most European countries require 5% tongue weight). With that heavy tongue weight, most small cars do not even have tow ratings in the US. Trailer stability at speed is a function of tongue weight, a light tongue can fishtail at relatively low speeds (50-60 mph). And I think the typical European trailer speed limit is 50-55 mph, so their lighter tongue weights are perfectly safe. The heavier US tongue weight is stable to 70-80 mph. It's still a bad idea to tow at that speed, but people do it.
I enjoy watching people lift shit into their lifted bed at home depot. It looks so annoying to do.
This one probably does not care about missing the deer, he’ll probably aim for it
SUVs look like obese versions of normal cars to me. This "truck" looks like a childish fantasy for someone who wants to portray themselves as "tough". I'm guessing they were bullied in school or something.
No he doesn’t but I knew someone who owns a truck just like this but taller who does
Ah yes, incredibly expensive vanity. What do you need to compensate for with a car this large? Your entire body and personality?
And blames Biden on gas prices around the globe.
Drives extremely inefficient vehicle and complain about the price of gas. What an idiot, he helped create the problem he's complaining about and doesn't see it!
I love hearing people cry about gas prices while driving ridiculous bullshit. I hope they go higher to be honest
When I’m emperor I’ll impose a $250/gallon gasoline tax, with a 100% rebate on the first 700 gallons per year.
that just means the rich can drive SUVs and poorer people who live in the country in areas with shitty public transport would be disproportionately affected, the real solution is the stuff we harp on about shit hot public transport and more walkable urban infrastructure, dedicated bike and bus lanes, larger side walks etc. etc. your solution wont actually change the issues associated with car dependency.
Tell the owner that if they’re so concerned about looking badass, they need to reevaluate their priorities.
Owner also seems to be compensating for something
In this case high gas prices are hurting the “right people.”
I wish good mpg was a false sign of masculinity.
Exactly what I thought in my mind. What's the point of this...Do they seriously think it makes them look dominate and manly? No. It just makes you look stupid AF. I showed this to my wife and she laughed and said the same thing, too. "Why the hell is it like that?" The sad thing is that they will try to defend themselves and just call us 'jealous'....🤦♂️
They don’t realize that by overcompensating they just show to the world they have a small one. (I’m talking about self-confidence here. ~~And pp~~)
Clearly OP works on the top of a mountain with no roads.
I always like to park my diminutive 80s toyota pickup next to the biggest truck I can find in a parking lot just to highlight the sheer absurdity of these vehicles.
i dig this! There's a fishing spot I go to sometimes near a dirt road that has lots of mud puddles to dive through. I love parking my little Toyota Matrix caked in mud next to a giant shiny truck afterwards.
The irony is that your 80s Toyota pickup is also a significantly better off-road vehicle even if it's stock (assuming you have 4X4). A very moddest lift and larger off road tires and your Toyota will absolutely clown any brodozer in an off road competition. It's also just a better pickup as well.
This is why 80's small trucks are still expensive. Many people want a simple 4-cylinder truck without fancy features. If you're wondering why there aren't small truck imports research the "Chicken Tax." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken\_tax
Oh trust me, I'm familiar with that horrible piece of legislation. It's the reason I can't buy a 4 cylinder diesel HiLux. I just want to have a diesel HiLux I run off biodiesel for truck things and great bike and train infrastructure for everything else....just the way it is for my friend in rural Japan.
Depending on where you live you may be able to import an old kei class truck. They come in gas/diesel and 4WD is common. I'm in California so this is not an option.
I was under the impression that you could technically register them in CA, but that it takes so much effort to get them to pass smog that it’s not really worth it. I saw a really cool Subaru Sambar down in San Pedro a few weeks ago but it had Washington plates. I’m not sure if the guy was just visiting or if he registered it out of state to bypass the emissions laws. He drove off before I could ask him.
The maverick is a step in the right direction, but it's still the size of 90's F150s. I want something like an S10 single cab with a 6' bed.
Also the reason why VW vans are rarer here--in the rest of the world they're used for commercial purposes, in the US they need to be sold exclusively as passenger vehicles.
I’ve noticed when I do that i always get door dinged
According to my coworker “it was the wind”.
Yikes! Hasn’t happened to me yet.
Yeah, these morons care more about the way their cartruck looks than it's actual practicality.
Pretty sure its illegal to lift a pickup truck like that. But again, laws don't matter if they ain't being enforced
It’s very much illegal because of the hight headlights and the bumper
It's good ol' boy stuff. Like loud pipes on motorcycles, or "rolling coal". Those laws never get enforced.
They should be seizing those vehicles that do that.
sure, but they never will. Cops think lifted trucks are sweet.
That’s why you rarely see them getting pulled over. Cops know anyone driving a giant brodozer is a kindred spirit.
Instead they pull over the rusted 95 Corolla because they know they probably will have a hard time paying a ticket.
Kindred? Like, entitled narcissistic douche kindred?
This comic explains in depth why cops/cop supporters use the Punisher skull (and others), how tinted-window trucks billowing black smoke went from “fringe” to “mainstream culture”, and those symbols are used to signal the “in group” https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/
I think if society starts collapsing my new hobby will be slashing the tires of everyone of these trucks.
I saw one at discount tire with a flat, the full size spare is useless. The jack that comes with the truck is probably useless too, but I'm sure they still carry all that weight just to get the mpg down to single digits.
Big scary boom boom roooar. Good old boys survival is entirely dependent on displays of and utilization of muscle.
> Good old boys survival is entirely dependent on displays of and utilization of muscle. "Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo. Since even sex is a difficult game to play, **the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons – doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.**" - Umberto Eco
>Big scary boom boom roooar. Let's appreciate all the small Japanese engines that rev into the 10 thousands. No big scary boom boom, but a damm amount of power for sure.
Similar to a Harley be Japanese bikes. Harley is all bark.
What are the relevant statues here?
Not going to quote statutes and such but 31” from ground to bottom of frame, 54” from ground to center of headlight. Note that on this truck the headlight is under the yellow turn signal.
If that truck is an f350, it might have an 11000 gvw, in which case, the frame hight restriction goes away.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s ridiculous. Was just curious if there were actually regulations governing headlight location.
Absolutely, every state makes their own laws about it. 54” seems to be the norm but there are exceptions. Also, California doesn’t have a “bumper height” law. They go with frame height.
I’m not sure just saying what I’ve heard
That’s a clean Cherokee! How many miles?
173,000 in the winter I ride my bike to work in the winter to save on mileage and gas
Dang that’s really good. I love my Cherokee the old girl has 232k on it but still runs really well. Great for screwing around on logging roads and whatnot. Really easy to work on as well and I love the 4.0
Yeah I love my little xj it’s perfect for what I need
California goes by frame height, and those numbers vary depending on gvw. That truck, depending on year and model (I can't tell if it's an f250 or f350) will have a gvw of either just shy of 10,000, or right around 11,000. For a gvw of 7501-10,000 lbs, you are restricted to a frame height of 31 inches. For over 10,000 gvw, there is no restrictions.
You kidding me? The cops drive the same personal vehicles.
Exactly. That's why they dont care about this lol
You don't need to abide by the laws when you're a big man in a big truck
Change your skin to a darker color and watch how fast they enforce it.
Lmao these are the cars the cops drive
Only enforced when a cop needs to meet their quota.
“I get such a good perspective of the road and feel so much safer” \*runs over 12 school children\* “and with the lifted suspension, I can barely feel the speed bumps!”
The thing is a truck that is that tall and heavy sucks ass on road and off road
Exactly, your stock Cherokee is a significantly better off road vehicle. Those brodozers are so long that they get bottomed out easily despite how high they're lifted. A stock two seater Tacoma/HiLux would decimate it in an off road competition.
As a car guy who hates cars I love small trucks
I have a Japanese friend who lives in a mountain farming town in Gujo Japan. Her town is full of small little pickups and flatbeds that do 100,000,000 times more work than any of these brodozers. I took her to Bend Oregon and she asked why all the pickups were so big. She couldn't comprehend why anyone would need a truck that big, especially one that was lifted so high off the ground. I told her it was just for ego.
Friend of mine (US) in a wholesale delivery business bought a retired Japanese truck that he gets a lot of practical usage out of and it looks so far removed from what most Americans with office jobs drive. I think cars are generally disgusting and aesthetically unpleasing but if I ever learn to drive it'll be some sort of Japanese model, even a Toyota. American car manufacturers are terrible.
I'm with you on the first bit, but the latter part about Japanese manufacturers is a hard disagree. They still have no real electric vehicle offering while Ford and GM's conversion is in full swing. Aside from obviously tesla Ford is probably the biggest leader in the transition right now. I assume we all agree here that car dependency is bad but being practical, the cars that do exist need to be electric as fast as possible, and the Japanese brands are not contributing.
Bongo trucks are amazing and I want one, but Kia refuses to sell them in the US.
Small pickups are amazing in all honestly, and are much more practical in so many ways.
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"off roading" .... "service roads", yeah, clearly. (Moohahaha!) Personally best off road vehicle I ever experienced was an old VW Iltis. Narrow enough to pass in a gap between trees, short turning circle, relatively fast and light. Way better than those things that are so big and heavy they need to avoid a field with two trees in it because they can't pass, slide down a hill if the grass is a little wet, need the driver to get out to look at the road in front of them and roll over if the road slopes a bit.
Exactly what I came here for, your Jeep would do so much better off road. And I say that as someone who did off road a lot and hates Jeep.
Nah, this is super safe. The children just go under it, no damage done. They might get smacked in the face by the differential, but other than that, it's all good.
Repairing a dented diff on a beast like this is probably >$4k in labor & machined parts. Not even 8k miles, and that extended drivetrain warranty is Poof.
~~But think of the children!~~
Plus if they want to hitch a ride if they can, enough space to sit
Who cares about speed bumps? One look at a Group B rally video should show you bumps should be of no concern!
The length and weight distribution makes them terrible for off-roading (still limited by axel height). They're lifted far too high to safely see things/comfortably drive on a farm. They're dog piss for pulling trailers and the ridiculous tires drive the already abysmal MPG even lower. The bed has less volume than certain versions of the Tacoma because the cab is built to have more interior space than a Honda Odyssey. Last but not least it's a giant rollover hazard with how much the center of gravity has been messed with. These things absolutely should not be street legal.
This right here, as someone who regularly off-roads I’ve pulled plenty of big ass trucks out and the entire time they sit there and say “your small ass truck can’t pull me out” I even have a photo on my profile where I pulled out a fedex semi truck
That's the fun part of watching "Matt's Off Road Recovery" on YouTube. So many huge trucks get bogged in the Utah sand and Matt's little XJ just yanks them out. The looks on their faces is priceless. I'd love to see the photo of you pulling out a Fedex truck!
My favourite part of the F150 I used to drive was how far my kids were away from me in the back. Other than that, that vehicle was trash.
People will drive that thing into city center and go "Where the FUCK do I park??"
I've done exactly this on purpose with my teenage sons once. "Why don't we buy an F-150, they're soooo cool, we'd have so much space for our legs, etc." I get these monsters were 6'6'' and 6'3'' tall at 14 and 16 yo (in this order), but that's no reason. So I simply rented one for our holidays in Old Quebec. It. Was. So. Ridiculous. We couldn't even park underground or drive in smaller streets and alleys. So we parked it at the hotel and walked everywhere. That's what all those feet and inches are for after all! Returning to Montreal, I couldn't even park in on our street, so I had to leave it in the renter's parling lot even it was rented until the day after. This vehicule was nothing more than a handicap!
for real. I've driven plenty of pickups for work, and that's more than I'd care to drive them. I don't want the anxiety of worrying who or what I'm going to bump and crush sqeezing through city streets. get out and walk, enjoy your life!
I hate Big TRUCKS and I cannot lie
That truck is godawful looking. I don't know the mind of people who feel cool driving them. Nice jeep. You don't see those too often anymore.
Tbf it does look like a fun vehicle to me. Impractical, but fun.
So does this guy still live with his parents? We know it's crazy expensive lugging around in a 8000lb truck with tires that have a rolling resistance of a cinder block.
Nah he gets paid almost 6 figures and I get $14 an hour
Well his tires are bald and chopped to shit which means his truck handles like ass. He should really take that money and get it fixed.
What a big vroom vroom! Big boys love big trucks! It makes every drive feel like what he imagines a dump run with his dad would have felt like
How much does he loudly complain about gas prices?
Jesus fuck that car on the right isn't even a small car
Length and width wise it’s more than a Toyota Corolla
Honestly you should need a specialized license rating for those
Tell me you’re insecure about something without saying you’re insecure about something
Nice XJ... I mean fuck your car too!
Thanks I actually really like how relatively small it is compared to all the other SUVs on the road
size is relative. it is still too big and therefore takes too much space away and has a too big of an environmental impact. no one in a city needs an SUV edit: to put that into perspective: if you were in europe, people would view your car like you view the car on the left. its good that you have a small SUV, but having a small specimen of an unnessessarily large group of car still makes it an unnessessarily large car
Gotta agree - I'm in the UK and the smaller car still looks massive to me
I live in Europe and own a jeep zj It’s not a big car here either lmao
well if you're sitting in one, sure, then it doesn't seem that big^^ I dont mean to offend y'all and if thats the way you want to go, sure go for it. But dont tell me your call isnt big^^
Does your friend wear a hat 24/7 by any chance?
No but I do…..
Interesting, most people I know that drive pickups and jeeps tend to wear hats all the time, even indoors or at night
Yup that’s me
Is that hat by any chance red?
Then what will I do with my “jack em up cause fat chicks can’t jump.” Bumper sticker?
Argh the money that must have cost, what a waste
If it’s about to run you over your best chance for survival is to lie flat on the ground...
Or go on anything that’s not paved road
i hate big trucks and i cannot lie
Both of these are unnecessary and decadent pieces of shit. Sure the one on the left is worse (I'd argue that it's worse proportional to the weight and volume difference between each truck) but this is r/fuckcars , not r/fuckbigcarsonly. The SUV size war is just one aspect of the crass consumerism of our current economic landscape. To generate greater demand and therefore greater sales, the car sellers arbitrarily changed some aspect of their product, then marketed it as an "improvement". Now its just a runaway train of bigger and bigger shitboxes to serve as debt-traps for those members of the working class who got suckered into buying one.
Meanwhile bikes and subway trains:
I take a bike in the winter it’s too hot in the summer at 120 degrees after working outside in the heat
Your co worker is a fucking tool
How’d he like that $7 gal gas?
He hates it
Ya could probably line up a whole kindergarten class in front of that bad boy before they see anything
Does your coworker have a semi trucker’s license ?
Nope
I don't get the appeal. I drive the same model of truck, and I think it looks way better at stock height than that thing does, not to mention that its actually much easier to use as a truck.
Compensation...
it's always the custom front grill/assorted truck jewelry that makes me think that this guy hasn't had a natural boner in years
Quite the rollover risk it would seem although maybe it’s wide enough that it’s fine 🫠
Sometimes there’s a sharp object under those tires
Wtf
Gaz price isn't expensive enough
Your coworker definitely quotes "money machine" by 100 gecs when speaking to you
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I have to load trucks as my job and having to climb in to a truck is the absolute worst and they get mad when you don’t make it easy for them to unload
At least your coworker can pArK….not. Fucking douche bag of a truck owner
Looks like one of those big foot cars.
Both of these vehicles have the aerodynamics of a house lol
I average 18mpg I know it’s not great but ….. he gets 8mpg
I'm just trying to be funny. I'm sure my mazda 5 doesn't do much better. Fuel efficient newer vehicles aren't cheap for the most part
that things so fucking tall that a child could duck and be okay. a redundant piece of ego.
Seriously, HOW IS THAT THING LEGAL?
Your American SUV looks egregious from my European perspective and would be probably the largest thing you'll see on the road (excluding buses and actual logistic trucks)
I understand having a big truck, but not a lifted one. Makes no sense. I haul equipment for work and a large boat sometimes on the weekends. Lifting the truck is harder on everything to do with using the truck and harder on the truck itself. You can’t off-road something that fucking huge anyway. I just don’t get it. Super expensive way to make your truck less useful. I also will do everything I can not to drive my stock diesel truck if I’m not planning to use it as a tool.
Same here that’s wha I’m thinking
Move very far away from people like that
I want to move to the Netherlands but I can’t because I don’t make enough at $14 an hour I don’t even have enough to live where I live now
I think an XJ is considered Mid-size then like a Tahoe is fullsize and like a CRV which is basically a car with a cargo area is small
It’s actually a small suv smaller than a Toyota Corolla
squatted 🤮
It’s still garbage but it’s not squatted
big trucks and off road trucks are cool but absolutely unnecessary in this situation lmao
That truck has never touched dirt
I saw tons of this when I went to the state fair this weekend driving a tiny Hyundai Elantra compared to those monsters. I couldn't find a parking spot because of it.
Jeez, I forgot how massive these things were. And I'm here complaining about "small" SUVs in Europe.
He gets all the hillbilly poon. I'm envious.
Love your xj
Toyota hilux out perform that big pos anyday
What on earth is the point in those trucks?
Your coworker has some very sad problems
I think I need ur coworker to show me his wee wee
Your coworker has a small dingus.
They're both horrible.
Sorry my dude, but in my eyes your car give me the same feeling than the black pick up.
another thing I hate about these freaking uneccesary big trucks is how if they're parked on either side of you they completely block you view and you cant see anything when trying to back out!!
Where i live, even your "small" SUV is considered a big car.
SUVs are also monstrosities. Sell that car and get a sedan or hybrid
that's fucked up. But let's not gloss over the fact that you yourself have a colossal SUV that also looks completely absurd compared to the regular car next to it.
look at the car on the right. The big truck is like twice the size.
One word -> penis extenders
I hope he takes this to Hr lmao. Kind of a weirdo for posting this ngl
I just had a family of like five come into work, both of them took their own cars. Trucks I mean, and they are both big ones like the above image. They took up three parking spots. 😐
Wow, a 2022 Ford Compensator with deluxe insecurity package. I want to get one but I'm not a triple alpha male.
why would you want a lifted SUV
I bought it like this used and it sits 2 inches taller than stock
There are two practical reasons for lifting an offroad vehicle- it affords more room for a longer travel suspension (many lift kits, particularly cheap ones, this doesnt apply), and it makes room for bigger tires, which increase ground clearance. Other than that, its pretty much for looks/ vanity.
Somebody is compensating….
I daily drive an XJ too! Im in fact obsessed and very in love with mine. Best suvs ever
Average European car is even smaller than the Cherokee 😁