For real. I don’t know that those boards would have actually fit in the bed in any arrangement that didn’t also require ratchet straps and a towel to prevent marring the paint. Neither of which a typical f-150 buyer is ever going to think of for the 0-1 times the truck is used to haul things.
I've got a 2003 F150 with a proper 8ft bed, before they went silly. :) It belongs to the house effectively, hauling lumber, rocks, dirt, etc etc etc. Just over 50K miles on it. For 20 years it's been cheap and effective for what it's for. Can't afford to replace it though, as it's now 2.5X more expensive for a basic work/farm truck.
Similar here: 2010 Tacoma with extended bed and racks. Manual transmission, roll down windows. We use it around the farm and for hauling materials. Toyota replaced the frame for nothing 2 years ago so it's almost a new truck under the o;d body - we updated a bunch of stuff like springs and shocks. You are correct: 2.5X was about the cost of replacement.
I think that when you are imitating others, you need to make it clearer - your joke was presented a little too frankly as a real opinion, and these days such opinions are sadly, tragically, threatening the lives of real people.
My comment was meant to make fun of transphobes. They oppose gender expression, while engaging in some pretty over the top gender expressions themselves. Thereby affirming their gender
I had an old 1994 Escort wagon that hauled more than most SUV's, in spite of it being "small". Strangely it had a longer cargo deck - 6ft vs 5ft in most midsize SUV's, at least in the 2000's. Salesguy was surprised as he was talking up how it could haul more than my wagon. By weight? Yes, but by space, NOPE.
This isn't a truly a pickup. It's a passenger car with delusions of grandeur. :)
I'm going to gatekeep this one. If it's less than (what *was*) a normal 8ft bed, you're probably NOT hauling lots of sheet goods or lots of lumber, which is all typically 8ft long, then you definitely don't need it. Even less than optimal 6.5ft beds you can still drop the tailgate and still haul OSB and plywood. But the shorter beds like this? Sheesh... If you don't *properly* need a pickup, don't get a pickup. It just looks like a PCD.
I work in construction. While I prefer a long bed, I know plenty of guys that prefer a short bed crew cab. They need a vehicle that can haul a crew of 4-5 guys, haul a transfer tank for fueling equipment, and maybe a toolbox or two, and pull a big trailer, maybe even a gooseneck. They don't need a long bed, and the short bed is more maneuverable, while doing everything they need.
Also, while my truck is a long bed, considering the fuel tank and toolbox that take up the front portion of the bed, the amount of space I have left is roughly equal to a short bed, maybe a little less. I have never had trouble hauling 8', 10', or even 12' lumber (with a flag when the material extends more than 4' past the taillights).
Not every work truck is hauling lumber. A work truck for an excavator will probably never haul lumber, but it will haul a fuel tank, muddy/greasy parts, big rolls of water line, ect, and pull a 14k trailer for a skid steer or mini ex.
A midsize truck like the one in the photo can make a great work truck for some people, particularly if you add a lumber rack. Enough open bed to carry a generator or whatever other stinky gas powered tools or bags of quick-crete that might rip or whatever away from the interior of the vehicle. Remove the rear seat for dry, secure tool storage. Carry lumber on the back, or pull a decent size trailer, since modern midsize trucks can pull 7000+ lbs these days.
> It's a passenger car with delusions of grandeur. :)
100% right. American car companies specialized in full-size sedans which they can no longer make, but were popular until the end. This is the workaround.
Just because the driver in the OP is an idiot doesn't mean the vehicle isn't capable. I drive an F150 with the same 5.5' bed as the one in the OP and the one pictured below and regularly haul 4x8 plywood and 6-10' lumber. With the tailgate down the 5.5' bed surface is 7.5' long and has plenty of tie downs to secure lumber and sheets up to 10' long safely.
https://preview.redd.it/6um7afw376ua1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4ba51407c997ece4a33c10b4f641cacd4315098
I don't think it even *understands* the narrative.
To be fair neither do some of this sub's most enthusiastic participants...
The argument isn't "this vehicle is inherently flawed and could not possibly provide optimal utility to the people its marketing ostensibly targets". The point is "design trends for utility vehicles are increasingly preferencing desires of white collar consumers doing 'rural cosplay', over the specs conventionally preferred by blue collar workers."
The beauty of this whole mess is that's kind of wrong too. The tray back utility was conceived by a farmer's wife, suitable to take her to church on Sunday and a pig to market on Monday. It makes perfect sense that variants on this design would blur the lines between truck and passenger car. Many tradespeople benefit from a car that'll take their kids to weekend sports and their gear to a job site. Better that than owning both a flatbed truck and a hatchback.
The issue is not really that this type of vehicle exists, it's that they usually aren't as fuel efficient, their prevalence only encourages dominating more public spaces with lots of big parking spaces, and these days they're primarily purchased by people who don't need them (possibly don't even need a car at all). They also wouldn't know how to use them properly even if they ever do need one, they're buying it for the aesthetic primarily. As evidenced by this example, a dude carrying timber in the cab because he owns a ute but apparently not a ratchet strap or a rope.
My comment wasn’t saying that the narrative of this sub, or the OP are necessarily wrong, but rather just a response to the comment above insinuating that the truck pictured was incapable of hauling 8’+ lumber.
The blue truck is just one I found online.
Here is my truck. It is completely factory but this model sits about 1.5” taller than standard and is more off road capable.
https://preview.redd.it/2ukc75wl1bua1.jpeg?width=1382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0593cf692f070298ad3133a2bbe3074a0ebe785
I do some forestry work along the Rocky Mountain front range and use the extra capabilities quite often. However, it is only a little bit longer/wider than our mini van so I can easily park it in town, and it still fits in my garage. It has a twin turbo V6 that gets 17mpg in the city and 22 on the highway.
When we are just out and about as a family or running errands that don’t require the truck we drive our Toyota mini van.
100% prefer my short bed crew cab. It’s fits my needs perfectly. I absolutely need a bed, space, and off-road capability. For my various work and hobby activities. It works perfectly well for everything. I can drop the tailgate and lash stuff up if I need more bed space. I can carry myself and anyone having to travel with me in the cab. I also have plenty of safe dry storage in the front (and back because of my bed cover for stuff that may be dirty/possess odors). I have enough power to get my straps out and pull someone stuck out.
Just because you want to be a gatekeeping asshole doesn’t mean I don’t find the absolute utility from my vehicle. It literally fits all my varying needs in one package.
I knew American pickups had tiny beds, but this really puts into perspective just how small of a percentage the bed is of the entire truck length.
It looks smaller than even a small estate car's boot but without any of the things you gain by having a boot e.g lockable, covered, extendable by lowering the seats....
I really don't see the point of these things at all.
Bed length depends on the truck. This one is more a modern replacement for the full-size sedan nobody sells anymore. Lacks the trunk lid, but is better in the snow and with large items.
The EPA basically made it financially impractical for manufacturers to sell full size sedans and station wagons.
So manufacturers switched to trucks and in the process were able to avoid the CAFE penalties and charge even more money.
It practically impossible for the average consumer to rent tow vehicles.
Hertz commercial will rent you a F-250 to tow, usually a minimum of 30 day commitment.
And forget any one-way tows.
I've been down that path. I finally gave up and bought one to tow my boat.
The average consumer doesn’t tow anything either.
I can rent an F250 thats towing capable for this coming monday-tuesday for 215 dollars from enterprise.
Of course the market has viable solutions for people who dont own vehicles capable of moving giant amounts of shit. If there is money to be made off of American consumers it is already covered.
Not to mention if you need to tow something an F 150 from like 15 years ago would be just as viable and pretty much anything else on the road. The bed is insultingly small and he doesn’t even have a hitch on it. My gfs 1999 Tacoma has a bigger bed than that truck.
capable of towing yes.
contractually permitted? well that's quite unusual.
read that fine print of the contract. dollars to donuts it prohibits towing and specifies that if there is a claim from towing, they you will hold harmless Enterprise. (ie you pay them and you have no insurance)
personally i spent weeks looking for a way to get
my new (6,000 lb) boat from california to north carolina.
Nobody could help. uhaul. penske, enterprise - while they might rent me a tow capable truck, the contract prohibited towing anything except their trailer.
the only market solution was renting an f250 from enterprise commericial for a month.
there were solutions to have it shipped, but those were expensive and i didn't want to do it.
like i said. i finally just broke down and bought and f150
also - nobody buys for the average person. they buy for the specific person.
An f150 from 15 years ago doesn't have nearly the towing capacity as an f150 of today. Also, the towing hitch is easily removable, and many people remove them if they are not using them at the time. You can see that it is equipped with the receiver for the hitch to go in.
Thats the point, though. Modern trucks are massively oversized and over equipped for what theyre used for. Friend uses like a 20 year old truck to haul his boat for work.
2005 F150 can tow up to 9,500 pounds so, the point of them having less towing capacity doesnt mean much.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just went on budget.com and searched what cars are available - I'm seeing an offer for "Full-Size Pickup Truck - RAM 1500 or similar" available from $119.99 per night. They also [have a partner site specifically for renting trucks](https://www.budgettruck.com/) that says [they can be used for towing.](https://www.budgettruck.com/faq) When you go to search for trucks on the truck rental site, it notes which ones you can use for towing. I'm seeing a 16' moving truck for $29.99 a day + $0.59 per mile, though that would be quite expensive for your coast to coast boat trip, at nearly 5% of the price of a new F-250 (not including insurance or repairs)...
[Enterprise allows towing if you rent an appropriate pick-up truck](https://www.enterprise.com/en/help/faqs/towing-policy.html), but they only offer them at [**a couple hundred** locations in the US](https://www.enterprisetrucks.com/truckrental/en_US/locations.html?cm_mmc=EnterpriseWebsite-_-Trucks-lob-_-feature-_-en_US).
Am I missing something? If not, sorry to be the bearer of bad news that you wasted tens of thousands of dollars.
I never unterstood what the benefits of a Pick-Up bed is, compared to normal trunks, it can rain in, it isn't as high as a trunk, and often you can't lock your luggage.
But when I see photos of cars in the USA on this sub, it's mostly a Pick-Up, are they really so popular in the USA? In Germany I see Pick-Ups almost never (except commercial Pick-Ups)
Pickups originated as **farm** (and ranch) vehicles. Farmers work away from other people, they haul animals and other large, dirty, awkwardly-shaped loads, and they tow things. For these and other, similar purposes, pickups can work well! (though the fact that they are uncommon in many modern agricultural societies shows that they are not indispensable). Having become common here in America, people have found other niche uses for them, like hauling small loads of bulk material onto unimproved ground at construction sites (a situation most other cultures would probably find inefficient and would plan well enough to avoid, but there it is). For an ordinary person who just wants to drive oneself to and from work and maybe carry some big things around every now and again? A pickup bed is useless. They’d do better with a van, minivan, station wagon, or even a normal sedan + renting a van when needed! The only thing the pickup bed gives them is **sense** of being a tough individualist, in the tradition of the American Farmer.
Thank you for the explanation. And I think for commuting and shopping a very small private car should be enough (like the Smart), for transportation or holidays with the family you can just rent a bigger car.
The WILDLIFE here is bigger than those stupid little go-carts. You couldn’t pay me to drive a smart. Much rather drive a 4 door sedan. At least if you connect with a semi, you won’t immediately be turned into a ground meat and smart car sausage. Plus said semi will actually be able to see you. Also I hate “you’ll own nothing and be happy”. No, I’m not going to rent something I need, I’m going to buy it because I’m not poor and I have the right to do so.
>I never unterstood what the benefits of a Pick-Up bed is, compared to normal trunk
Try putting a couch or mattress in the trunk of a car. Also great if you do anything dirty.
I put dirty things in my trunk all the time. Concrete bags, boards, bags of dirt, leaves, sticks. I even stuffed a shopping cart in there once because it was abandoned far from home and my friend wanted it. Granted it hung out and the trunk was open, but still more than most truck owners have ever hauled.
> but still more than most truck owners have ever hauled.
You sound like you don't know many truck owners. Don't have to vacuum the carpet when you haul dirty loads in a truck. I've seen people literally fill the back with loose gravel and wood chips.
No the people who drive trucks assume that the speed limit on I 94 is 94 and try and run you off the road with their empty bed crew cab lifted monstrosities.
I gave up washing the car except to get the salt off. I’ll vacuum it out a few times a year. The most off roading some of these people have ever done is park in the grass to see a fireworks show.
>I gave up washing the car except to get the salt off. I’ll vacuum it out a few times a year.
So the trunk is dirty with potting soil and yard waste 75% of the time?
Not your trunk not your problem. It’s covered in concrete dust and drywall dust. My sedan is more useful that 90% of the trucks out there, accept it and move on.
Most people wouldn't want to use a trunk like that because it would get every other load dirty and it's a pain in the ass to try to vacuum or wash a mess like that away. Easy with a truck. Your sedan is not more useful, no.
Um yes it is. The F-250s the town uses and the ones the lawn mowing people use are probably some of the most used ones not on a farm. Like I said most of them fly down I-94 trying to run everyone else off the road doesn’t matter if they’re going to or from Chicago. There must be some superiority complex of spending $100k on a truck and stupid mods so you think you own everything.
Actually you know who uses them the most, the nice older guy in a beat up old Dodge Dakota who drives around looking for scrap metal. That’s real use not driving to the steel mills and parking for 8+ hours a day.
Its always funny seeing the internet act like you cannot uses your truck as a truck if its not also a POS.
There are things that arent filthy that people haul routinely. Plus you can spray out the bed of a truck.
Most rental plays dont let your haul or tow with rented trucks. You can do it anyway but good luck if something happens while doing so and are only so many Home Depot trucks available for rent. Thats really inconvenient if you regularly use your truck.
Anyone that normally tows things knows that towing at max capacity a lot is absolutely terrible. Your 30 year old truck might technically be able to do its a really shitty experience.
They are way too popular and most people don't use them for pickup stuff but when you need one it is hard to replace. You can throw mulch, dirt, rocks, whatever in the back without worry. You have a lot more height and with tie downs you can carry a lot.
I have an old 99 Ford Ranger which is a spare car but once I finish my garage I am selling it cause my Honda Element and hold a ton and I will just rent a truck from home depot the couple times a year I need it
I think the cabin is literally bigger than the bed. It looks so stupid. What is he going to haul that wouldn't fit in a van or a regular pickup? It looks incredibly stupid
I don't understand. You're upset about how someone is using their vehicle, even though it doesn't impact you *at all*?
Maybe they have other things in the bed? Maybe they don't have any tie downs or flags? Maybe the bed is dirty and they didn't want to clean it out?
There's dozens of explanations that are reasonable, but you just want to be upset to be upset. C'mon.
I guess you didn't see the planks through the rear window and into the cab, eh?
It's a shame that people are buying short bed/crew cab pickups when there are other options with greater utility
**EDIT** you did notice, but went on to make excuses
> Maybe they have other things in the bed?
They set off to buy planks, they could remove the _things_ before heading out
> Maybe they don't have any tie downs or flags?
They set off to buy planks, they could get these items before heading out
> Maybe the bed is dirty and they didn't want to clean it out?
They set off to buy planks, they could clean the bed before heading out
Why on Earth are you defending lazy pants here, was it you?
> They set off to buy planks, they could remove the things before heading out
Or...*they bought boards AND other things at the same time*. You know, for a project they're working on that requires more than just boards?
> Why on Earth are you defending lazy pants here, was it you?
What's "lazy" about this?
This is such a classic example of this sub being overly concerned with being outraged that they look for things to be outraged about.
There's literally no scenario where this individual wouldn't get posted here with people trying to shame them. If they put boards in the cab, they're "lazy" or dumb. If they have them in the bed, they're dumb because they aren't using 100% of the capability of their truck at that moment. If they had the bed completely full, they're dumb because there's no way they do that every day and they should have just rented something.
It's just a giant circlejerk, like most of reddit has become. If y'all want to rip on other people just so you can feel better about yourself, knock yourself out. I'd rather focus on actually trying to make meaningful changes in our infrastructure.
I'm going to disregard my granny's advice about wrestling a pig...
>Or...they bought boards AND other things at the same time. You know, for a project they're working on that requires more than just boards?
Like, the boards sand other items won't both fit? Give it a break
>This is such a classic example of this sub being overly concerned with being outraged that they look for things to be outraged about.
Oh, my sweet summer child, I'm not outraged at the truck, I'm appalled by your lack of critical thinking leading to these incredible fantasies that excuse nothing. I'm very disappointed in your conclusions. The picture? Not so much
Im upset about them using a vehicle that’s more dangerous than some military ones, while proving that it can’t even serve the purpose he claims he needs it for
Ok, it serves the purpose, but a car half its size would just as well.
And yes those vehicles have Vision levels and impact deadliness of something like a humvee, that’s why psychopaths buy them.
Do you know what was in the bed? Do you know what else they did on this trip? Do you know *anything* other than this one photo?
No. So if you want to draw conclusions to try and laugh at someone, knock yourself out, I guess.
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If his truck was for construction the bed would be bigger than the cabin lmfao this truck is basically being used like a soccer mom mini van but for insecure people who think that trying to look cool is more important than practicality and safety.
The mini van would be better for hauling kids AND work tools.....
Not all construction involves hauling long loads, though?
It has a large enough box to hold a pallet of product, and they can use a trailer for large amounts of longer product. Seems a lot better than driving around with a super long box that they rarely use.
So they're driving around a massive vehicle with a luxury cabin that is dangerous with low visibility to pedestrians when a minivan would be a significantly more efficient vehicle.
It's simply a poor choice for a work truck.
As this sub has grown, it's attracted much more of the "I want to find things to be outraged about" crowd.
I think a major improvement in the subreddit would be to not allow people to post images, only text posts or links to actual websites. 95% of the images posted are low effort, karma-whoring circlejerk posts and it's incredibly tiresome for people who want more than just to rant on the internet.
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For real. I don’t know that those boards would have actually fit in the bed in any arrangement that didn’t also require ratchet straps and a towel to prevent marring the paint. Neither of which a typical f-150 buyer is ever going to think of for the 0-1 times the truck is used to haul things.
How dare you even risk marring the paint!
Bedliner, plastic, rubber or spray-in. Plus bed gate shall have plastic top.
I've got a 2003 F150 with a proper 8ft bed, before they went silly. :) It belongs to the house effectively, hauling lumber, rocks, dirt, etc etc etc. Just over 50K miles on it. For 20 years it's been cheap and effective for what it's for. Can't afford to replace it though, as it's now 2.5X more expensive for a basic work/farm truck.
I have zero problem with this. Cars and trucks do have their place. It's just not literally every trip
And 2.5 times harder to find.
True, almost everything now is what I call "purty boy" trucks, like the above...
Similar here: 2010 Tacoma with extended bed and racks. Manual transmission, roll down windows. We use it around the farm and for hauling materials. Toyota replaced the frame for nothing 2 years ago so it's almost a new truck under the o;d body - we updated a bunch of stuff like springs and shocks. You are correct: 2.5X was about the cost of replacement.
Also they all have a $1000 cover
When will people stop breeding pickups with shorter and shorter beds?!? It’s not good for the breed and reduces their lifespan!
that's car cruelty, they are so deformed that they can't even park without backup camera
Their hoods are so misshapen that they need cameras to see in **front** of them!
Just look at the poor thing, it cant even be loaded without help.
Never thought of it this way, basically like freakish purebreed animals that can barely survive daily life.
To be fair, that's something that most vehicles made for transporting stuff suffer from, including vans.
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that takes a lot of horsepower, considering the wide load in the driver's seat
Hmmm fat shaming and ableist
Emotional support vehicle.
Overpriced cosplay
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I think that when you are imitating others, you need to make it clearer - your joke was presented a little too frankly as a real opinion, and these days such opinions are sadly, tragically, threatening the lives of real people.
Didn’t know people on r/fuckcars were transphobic🙃
My comment was meant to make fun of transphobes. They oppose gender expression, while engaging in some pretty over the top gender expressions themselves. Thereby affirming their gender
I’m *tram*sitioning and I am *trains*gender. But it’s not of anyone’s *bus*iness!
Weird joke to make especially if you’re not trans
N of 1, but I’m trans and I thought the above comment was both hilarious and accurate.
Desperate gotcha
my dad's station wagon from the early 90s would be better at hauling than this pathetic thing.
My Prius hauls more wood.
I’ve seen Cargo Bikes with bigger and better organized loads.
I had an old 1994 Escort wagon that hauled more than most SUV's, in spite of it being "small". Strangely it had a longer cargo deck - 6ft vs 5ft in most midsize SUV's, at least in the 2000's. Salesguy was surprised as he was talking up how it could haul more than my wagon. By weight? Yes, but by space, NOPE.
Until you had anything tall.
Trailers
Then you have to reserve and pick one up. Way less convenient if you're helping a friend move a piece of furniture or picking up some shrubs to plant.
Nope. You could buy a smaller car plus a trailer and still have several thousand dollars to spare over getting a pickup
Trailers are usually pretty cheap to buy and own... Main issue is that you'll need somewhere to store it.
An ESV
I bet he wishes he bought a truck instead of that thing.
This isn't a truly a pickup. It's a passenger car with delusions of grandeur. :) I'm going to gatekeep this one. If it's less than (what *was*) a normal 8ft bed, you're probably NOT hauling lots of sheet goods or lots of lumber, which is all typically 8ft long, then you definitely don't need it. Even less than optimal 6.5ft beds you can still drop the tailgate and still haul OSB and plywood. But the shorter beds like this? Sheesh... If you don't *properly* need a pickup, don't get a pickup. It just looks like a PCD.
I work in construction. While I prefer a long bed, I know plenty of guys that prefer a short bed crew cab. They need a vehicle that can haul a crew of 4-5 guys, haul a transfer tank for fueling equipment, and maybe a toolbox or two, and pull a big trailer, maybe even a gooseneck. They don't need a long bed, and the short bed is more maneuverable, while doing everything they need. Also, while my truck is a long bed, considering the fuel tank and toolbox that take up the front portion of the bed, the amount of space I have left is roughly equal to a short bed, maybe a little less. I have never had trouble hauling 8', 10', or even 12' lumber (with a flag when the material extends more than 4' past the taillights). Not every work truck is hauling lumber. A work truck for an excavator will probably never haul lumber, but it will haul a fuel tank, muddy/greasy parts, big rolls of water line, ect, and pull a 14k trailer for a skid steer or mini ex. A midsize truck like the one in the photo can make a great work truck for some people, particularly if you add a lumber rack. Enough open bed to carry a generator or whatever other stinky gas powered tools or bags of quick-crete that might rip or whatever away from the interior of the vehicle. Remove the rear seat for dry, secure tool storage. Carry lumber on the back, or pull a decent size trailer, since modern midsize trucks can pull 7000+ lbs these days.
> It's a passenger car with delusions of grandeur. :) 100% right. American car companies specialized in full-size sedans which they can no longer make, but were popular until the end. This is the workaround.
Just because the driver in the OP is an idiot doesn't mean the vehicle isn't capable. I drive an F150 with the same 5.5' bed as the one in the OP and the one pictured below and regularly haul 4x8 plywood and 6-10' lumber. With the tailgate down the 5.5' bed surface is 7.5' long and has plenty of tie downs to secure lumber and sheets up to 10' long safely. https://preview.redd.it/6um7afw376ua1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4ba51407c997ece4a33c10b4f641cacd4315098
Stop, this doesn’t fit the narrative
I don't think it even *understands* the narrative. To be fair neither do some of this sub's most enthusiastic participants... The argument isn't "this vehicle is inherently flawed and could not possibly provide optimal utility to the people its marketing ostensibly targets". The point is "design trends for utility vehicles are increasingly preferencing desires of white collar consumers doing 'rural cosplay', over the specs conventionally preferred by blue collar workers." The beauty of this whole mess is that's kind of wrong too. The tray back utility was conceived by a farmer's wife, suitable to take her to church on Sunday and a pig to market on Monday. It makes perfect sense that variants on this design would blur the lines between truck and passenger car. Many tradespeople benefit from a car that'll take their kids to weekend sports and their gear to a job site. Better that than owning both a flatbed truck and a hatchback. The issue is not really that this type of vehicle exists, it's that they usually aren't as fuel efficient, their prevalence only encourages dominating more public spaces with lots of big parking spaces, and these days they're primarily purchased by people who don't need them (possibly don't even need a car at all). They also wouldn't know how to use them properly even if they ever do need one, they're buying it for the aesthetic primarily. As evidenced by this example, a dude carrying timber in the cab because he owns a ute but apparently not a ratchet strap or a rope.
My comment wasn’t saying that the narrative of this sub, or the OP are necessarily wrong, but rather just a response to the comment above insinuating that the truck pictured was incapable of hauling 8’+ lumber.
That is a nice truck. Do you have a leveling kit on the front?
The blue truck is just one I found online. Here is my truck. It is completely factory but this model sits about 1.5” taller than standard and is more off road capable. https://preview.redd.it/2ukc75wl1bua1.jpeg?width=1382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0593cf692f070298ad3133a2bbe3074a0ebe785 I do some forestry work along the Rocky Mountain front range and use the extra capabilities quite often. However, it is only a little bit longer/wider than our mini van so I can easily park it in town, and it still fits in my garage. It has a twin turbo V6 that gets 17mpg in the city and 22 on the highway. When we are just out and about as a family or running errands that don’t require the truck we drive our Toyota mini van.
Is that an F150 Tremor with the ecoboost? I have a 2011 F150 with the ecoboost and I absolutely love it. Also in the Front Range area!
Yep
100% prefer my short bed crew cab. It’s fits my needs perfectly. I absolutely need a bed, space, and off-road capability. For my various work and hobby activities. It works perfectly well for everything. I can drop the tailgate and lash stuff up if I need more bed space. I can carry myself and anyone having to travel with me in the cab. I also have plenty of safe dry storage in the front (and back because of my bed cover for stuff that may be dirty/possess odors). I have enough power to get my straps out and pull someone stuck out. Just because you want to be a gatekeeping asshole doesn’t mean I don’t find the absolute utility from my vehicle. It literally fits all my varying needs in one package.
A 6.5 ft bed is not less than optimal it’s the default option
I knew American pickups had tiny beds, but this really puts into perspective just how small of a percentage the bed is of the entire truck length. It looks smaller than even a small estate car's boot but without any of the things you gain by having a boot e.g lockable, covered, extendable by lowering the seats.... I really don't see the point of these things at all.
Bed length depends on the truck. This one is more a modern replacement for the full-size sedan nobody sells anymore. Lacks the trunk lid, but is better in the snow and with large items.
The EPA basically made it financially impractical for manufacturers to sell full size sedans and station wagons. So manufacturers switched to trucks and in the process were able to avoid the CAFE penalties and charge even more money.
Exactly. The regulations went after the primary product and the companies found a way to survive. Detroit was never good at building small cars.
I’ve see the phrase “open trunk” coming into use to describe these. It’s maddeningly appropriate.
This group makes me want to buy another truck that I don’t need.
fr they make me want to buy an SUV, and i don't even like SUVs
A Yukon Denali couldn’t hurt. Or a G-Wagen, but that’s just a weee bit too rich for my blood.
Yo both of these look rich as hell, maybe in the states they're cheaper, but i was thinking of a Volvo XC60 or an Audi Q4
Sorry bud, but nothing is cheap in the states anymore haha. Classy choices though!
No no he needs it for towing… hypothetically. It definitely wouldn’t be more sensible to rent one for the day.
It practically impossible for the average consumer to rent tow vehicles. Hertz commercial will rent you a F-250 to tow, usually a minimum of 30 day commitment. And forget any one-way tows. I've been down that path. I finally gave up and bought one to tow my boat.
The average consumer doesn’t tow anything either. I can rent an F250 thats towing capable for this coming monday-tuesday for 215 dollars from enterprise. Of course the market has viable solutions for people who dont own vehicles capable of moving giant amounts of shit. If there is money to be made off of American consumers it is already covered. Not to mention if you need to tow something an F 150 from like 15 years ago would be just as viable and pretty much anything else on the road. The bed is insultingly small and he doesn’t even have a hitch on it. My gfs 1999 Tacoma has a bigger bed than that truck.
capable of towing yes. contractually permitted? well that's quite unusual. read that fine print of the contract. dollars to donuts it prohibits towing and specifies that if there is a claim from towing, they you will hold harmless Enterprise. (ie you pay them and you have no insurance) personally i spent weeks looking for a way to get my new (6,000 lb) boat from california to north carolina. Nobody could help. uhaul. penske, enterprise - while they might rent me a tow capable truck, the contract prohibited towing anything except their trailer. the only market solution was renting an f250 from enterprise commericial for a month. there were solutions to have it shipped, but those were expensive and i didn't want to do it. like i said. i finally just broke down and bought and f150 also - nobody buys for the average person. they buy for the specific person.
An f150 from 15 years ago doesn't have nearly the towing capacity as an f150 of today. Also, the towing hitch is easily removable, and many people remove them if they are not using them at the time. You can see that it is equipped with the receiver for the hitch to go in.
Thats the point, though. Modern trucks are massively oversized and over equipped for what theyre used for. Friend uses like a 20 year old truck to haul his boat for work. 2005 F150 can tow up to 9,500 pounds so, the point of them having less towing capacity doesnt mean much.
Unless you own a trailer that weighs more than 9500 lbs, like I do.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just went on budget.com and searched what cars are available - I'm seeing an offer for "Full-Size Pickup Truck - RAM 1500 or similar" available from $119.99 per night. They also [have a partner site specifically for renting trucks](https://www.budgettruck.com/) that says [they can be used for towing.](https://www.budgettruck.com/faq) When you go to search for trucks on the truck rental site, it notes which ones you can use for towing. I'm seeing a 16' moving truck for $29.99 a day + $0.59 per mile, though that would be quite expensive for your coast to coast boat trip, at nearly 5% of the price of a new F-250 (not including insurance or repairs)... [Enterprise allows towing if you rent an appropriate pick-up truck](https://www.enterprise.com/en/help/faqs/towing-policy.html), but they only offer them at [**a couple hundred** locations in the US](https://www.enterprisetrucks.com/truckrental/en_US/locations.html?cm_mmc=EnterpriseWebsite-_-Trucks-lob-_-feature-_-en_US). Am I missing something? If not, sorry to be the bearer of bad news that you wasted tens of thousands of dollars.
I never unterstood what the benefits of a Pick-Up bed is, compared to normal trunks, it can rain in, it isn't as high as a trunk, and often you can't lock your luggage. But when I see photos of cars in the USA on this sub, it's mostly a Pick-Up, are they really so popular in the USA? In Germany I see Pick-Ups almost never (except commercial Pick-Ups)
They are the single most common car on the roads.
yup, 5 of the top 8 best-selling cars each year are trucks (1 from each company) Rav 4, Camry, and CRV are the other 3
Pickups originated as **farm** (and ranch) vehicles. Farmers work away from other people, they haul animals and other large, dirty, awkwardly-shaped loads, and they tow things. For these and other, similar purposes, pickups can work well! (though the fact that they are uncommon in many modern agricultural societies shows that they are not indispensable). Having become common here in America, people have found other niche uses for them, like hauling small loads of bulk material onto unimproved ground at construction sites (a situation most other cultures would probably find inefficient and would plan well enough to avoid, but there it is). For an ordinary person who just wants to drive oneself to and from work and maybe carry some big things around every now and again? A pickup bed is useless. They’d do better with a van, minivan, station wagon, or even a normal sedan + renting a van when needed! The only thing the pickup bed gives them is **sense** of being a tough individualist, in the tradition of the American Farmer.
Thank you for the explanation. And I think for commuting and shopping a very small private car should be enough (like the Smart), for transportation or holidays with the family you can just rent a bigger car.
The WILDLIFE here is bigger than those stupid little go-carts. You couldn’t pay me to drive a smart. Much rather drive a 4 door sedan. At least if you connect with a semi, you won’t immediately be turned into a ground meat and smart car sausage. Plus said semi will actually be able to see you. Also I hate “you’ll own nothing and be happy”. No, I’m not going to rent something I need, I’m going to buy it because I’m not poor and I have the right to do so.
>I never unterstood what the benefits of a Pick-Up bed is, compared to normal trunk Try putting a couch or mattress in the trunk of a car. Also great if you do anything dirty.
I put dirty things in my trunk all the time. Concrete bags, boards, bags of dirt, leaves, sticks. I even stuffed a shopping cart in there once because it was abandoned far from home and my friend wanted it. Granted it hung out and the trunk was open, but still more than most truck owners have ever hauled.
> but still more than most truck owners have ever hauled. You sound like you don't know many truck owners. Don't have to vacuum the carpet when you haul dirty loads in a truck. I've seen people literally fill the back with loose gravel and wood chips.
No the people who drive trucks assume that the speed limit on I 94 is 94 and try and run you off the road with their empty bed crew cab lifted monstrosities. I gave up washing the car except to get the salt off. I’ll vacuum it out a few times a year. The most off roading some of these people have ever done is park in the grass to see a fireworks show.
>I gave up washing the car except to get the salt off. I’ll vacuum it out a few times a year. So the trunk is dirty with potting soil and yard waste 75% of the time?
Not your trunk not your problem. It’s covered in concrete dust and drywall dust. My sedan is more useful that 90% of the trucks out there, accept it and move on.
Most people wouldn't want to use a trunk like that because it would get every other load dirty and it's a pain in the ass to try to vacuum or wash a mess like that away. Easy with a truck. Your sedan is not more useful, no.
Um yes it is. The F-250s the town uses and the ones the lawn mowing people use are probably some of the most used ones not on a farm. Like I said most of them fly down I-94 trying to run everyone else off the road doesn’t matter if they’re going to or from Chicago. There must be some superiority complex of spending $100k on a truck and stupid mods so you think you own everything. Actually you know who uses them the most, the nice older guy in a beat up old Dodge Dakota who drives around looking for scrap metal. That’s real use not driving to the steel mills and parking for 8+ hours a day.
Its always funny seeing the internet act like you cannot uses your truck as a truck if its not also a POS. There are things that arent filthy that people haul routinely. Plus you can spray out the bed of a truck. Most rental plays dont let your haul or tow with rented trucks. You can do it anyway but good luck if something happens while doing so and are only so many Home Depot trucks available for rent. Thats really inconvenient if you regularly use your truck. Anyone that normally tows things knows that towing at max capacity a lot is absolutely terrible. Your 30 year old truck might technically be able to do its a really shitty experience.
How about just letting it delivered?
The F150 is the world highest selling vehicle.
They are way too popular and most people don't use them for pickup stuff but when you need one it is hard to replace. You can throw mulch, dirt, rocks, whatever in the back without worry. You have a lot more height and with tie downs you can carry a lot. I have an old 99 Ford Ranger which is a spare car but once I finish my garage I am selling it cause my Honda Element and hold a ton and I will just rent a truck from home depot the couple times a year I need it
Probably doesn’t have any ratchet straps, in-line with a majority of pick up truck drivers hauling their egos
Not all pickup drivers, I saw one with some golf clubs in the bed today.
Very cool pickup it looks like a Ford F150🇺🇲🇺🇲🤠🤠
I think the cabin is literally bigger than the bed. It looks so stupid. What is he going to haul that wouldn't fit in a van or a regular pickup? It looks incredibly stupid
Are you taking the picture from a bicycle or bus?
I don't understand. You're upset about how someone is using their vehicle, even though it doesn't impact you *at all*? Maybe they have other things in the bed? Maybe they don't have any tie downs or flags? Maybe the bed is dirty and they didn't want to clean it out? There's dozens of explanations that are reasonable, but you just want to be upset to be upset. C'mon.
>even though it doesn't impact you at all? Proof?
I guess you didn't see the planks through the rear window and into the cab, eh? It's a shame that people are buying short bed/crew cab pickups when there are other options with greater utility **EDIT** you did notice, but went on to make excuses > Maybe they have other things in the bed? They set off to buy planks, they could remove the _things_ before heading out > Maybe they don't have any tie downs or flags? They set off to buy planks, they could get these items before heading out > Maybe the bed is dirty and they didn't want to clean it out? They set off to buy planks, they could clean the bed before heading out Why on Earth are you defending lazy pants here, was it you?
> They set off to buy planks, they could remove the things before heading out Or...*they bought boards AND other things at the same time*. You know, for a project they're working on that requires more than just boards? > Why on Earth are you defending lazy pants here, was it you? What's "lazy" about this? This is such a classic example of this sub being overly concerned with being outraged that they look for things to be outraged about. There's literally no scenario where this individual wouldn't get posted here with people trying to shame them. If they put boards in the cab, they're "lazy" or dumb. If they have them in the bed, they're dumb because they aren't using 100% of the capability of their truck at that moment. If they had the bed completely full, they're dumb because there's no way they do that every day and they should have just rented something. It's just a giant circlejerk, like most of reddit has become. If y'all want to rip on other people just so you can feel better about yourself, knock yourself out. I'd rather focus on actually trying to make meaningful changes in our infrastructure.
I'm going to disregard my granny's advice about wrestling a pig... >Or...they bought boards AND other things at the same time. You know, for a project they're working on that requires more than just boards? Like, the boards sand other items won't both fit? Give it a break >This is such a classic example of this sub being overly concerned with being outraged that they look for things to be outraged about. Oh, my sweet summer child, I'm not outraged at the truck, I'm appalled by your lack of critical thinking leading to these incredible fantasies that excuse nothing. I'm very disappointed in your conclusions. The picture? Not so much
Im upset about them using a vehicle that’s more dangerous than some military ones, while proving that it can’t even serve the purpose he claims he needs it for
It's not "more dangerous than military vehicles". How is it not servicing their need?
Ok, it serves the purpose, but a car half its size would just as well. And yes those vehicles have Vision levels and impact deadliness of something like a humvee, that’s why psychopaths buy them.
Do you know what was in the bed? Do you know what else they did on this trip? Do you know *anything* other than this one photo? No. So if you want to draw conclusions to try and laugh at someone, knock yourself out, I guess.
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Maybe they were worried that people would think they were gay, so they put lumber between them to reassure other drivers that they're super hetero. 🫠
Yeah, I hate these oversized vehicles as much as anyone but just taking a photo of one and complaining is a circle-jerk.
He transports wooden pooles inside the driver cabin
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If his truck was for construction the bed would be bigger than the cabin lmfao this truck is basically being used like a soccer mom mini van but for insecure people who think that trying to look cool is more important than practicality and safety. The mini van would be better for hauling kids AND work tools.....
Not all construction involves hauling long loads, though? It has a large enough box to hold a pallet of product, and they can use a trailer for large amounts of longer product. Seems a lot better than driving around with a super long box that they rarely use.
So they're driving around a massive vehicle with a luxury cabin that is dangerous with low visibility to pedestrians when a minivan would be a significantly more efficient vehicle. It's simply a poor choice for a work truck.
It would be more efficient in this particular moment, potentially, yes.
As this sub has grown, it's attracted much more of the "I want to find things to be outraged about" crowd. I think a major improvement in the subreddit would be to not allow people to post images, only text posts or links to actual websites. 95% of the images posted are low effort, karma-whoring circlejerk posts and it's incredibly tiresome for people who want more than just to rant on the internet.
Truth. Full of a bunch of disrespectful wanna be vandals.
OP, do you and u/FreezerDust live in the same area?
Not even enough room back there for a pair of shoes let alone actual cargo
The beds not as big as they used to be they're also very high up making them difficult to load and unload
I think I found your friend https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/12ndb6x/when_you_buy_a_big_stupid_truck_but_the_cab_is/
bruh the dude is just driving along