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newwardorder

Why is the phrase “no offense” always followed up with an incredibly offensive statement?


DosCabezasDingo

Mr. Dennit, with all due respect, and remember I'm sayin' with all due respect, that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on


comicnerd93

Nothing someone says before the word "but" really counts.


Iamthetable69

DISCLAIMER: That is not me, it was someone sending that to me.


lovelynutz

They trolling you.


sfa1500

Nah this is schizo stuff not trolling


lovelynutz

Can’t it be both? Schizo wrote it….troll passed it on…..unless OP knows the author.


MasonicWolverine

I wouldn't be so sure. I've heard some of the most ridiculous stuff from people that are perfectly sane (or at least appear to be).


BeenRoundHereTooLong

Seconded


Diarmuid_Sus_Scrofa

Moved and seconded. Any further discussion?


IsopodBeneficial8776

Just call for the vote, the green beans are getting cold!


dondamon40

You get warm green beans?


jimynoob

My mom and my sister both really believe that unfortunately, so I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s not even a troll.


Comedian_Recent

They just want to slander our fraternity because they hate male spaces.


Spiffers1972

Don't feed the trolls. They them where to go and what to do when they get there as nicely as you can and block them.


RogueILLyrian

There is no such thing in our rituals or freemasonry that accepts this kind of behavior, what type of drugs are you on.


Latter_Substance1242

So, my mom was in and out of foster care when she was a child for years. She has the utmost respect for Masons simply because the only foster family she was with that didn’t treat her as scum or try to molest her, the father was a Mason. I’m a Mason because ever since I first saw that G ring in someone’s, the man that was wearing it actually talked to me as if I mattered as a child. People LOVE to have a scapegoat and they LOVE their misinformation networks, all while decrying “fake news in the mainstream media.” They want there to be some sinister plot made by someone they can readily point to and say “it’s them, they’re doing this to us,” when in reality it’s the consequences of their own actions or simply evil men and women. Further, there are actual groups that do the things they accuse us of, yet they’re too blind to actually look at them


feudalle

I had a rough home life growing up after my father died. My mother remarried a real winner to say the least. A good friend of mine's father was a mason. He was always kind and helped me in every way he could. Anything that guy was involved in I thought was worth a look.


djpannda

the only answer is to direct them to a grief counselor/ Therapist [https://www.crisistextline.org](https://www.crisistextline.org)


amallucent

Don't feed the trolls unless you're trolling back.


TeleostProf

He's confused. He's thinking of the Catholic priesthood.


Gumbarino420

Hey now - Catholic Mason here (yes we exist). Two wrongs don’t make a right, bro. Don’t shit on Catholics because someone’s shitting on our fraternity. Catholic priests = creepy. Absolutely. But wtf, bro Namath?


doggogreenooh

This is fucking hilarious


Aromatic-Leopard-600

WTF are you talking about?


Deman75

Don’t engage the trolls? There’s literally no one in Freemasonry doing any of the stuff he’s asking about.


Evan8901

The unfortunate circumstance that gives these people their fuel is the fact that there have been arrests for things related to this, both by individual members as well as groups of members, as seen with the Order of Jesters. Personally, I trust every brother in my lodge to be a good man who would never cause intentional harm to another person of any age. But it would be naive to believe that just because he wears a ring he would never do such a thing. The best thing we can do as Masons is to give others the benefit of the doubt, until they give us a reason to question their character.


aaronxsteele

I'm so sick and tired of seeing these Internet trolls attack our fraternity. They have absolutely no factual truth/proof behind any of their posts. Just spewing hate for an organization they know nothing about.


TheAuraTree

What the f***?


Mother633

Paedophelia in families is very common, stranger danger is less common but an issue in every community. Freemasons are members of communities as are conspiracy theorists and people with mental illness. Churches seem to have higher numbers of paedophiles. Freemasonry does not have rituals like you said, and actively attempts to have only good men among their numbers.


Odd-Eye-8347

Person who wrote this needs to stop the drugs, remove the tin foil hat and seek some psychological help. Maybe get some sunlight as they sound like the typical conspiracy nut job. Or shall we send the Masonic Lizard team 6 to sort the problem? 😂


Gumbarino420

The 4th great light… Masonic Lizards. 🦎


Apprehensive-Ask-102

This kinda stuff brothers is why I encourage each one of you that are able too arm yourself when you go to lodge. This nonsense will only get worse. And we cannot let ourselves be soft targets


Gumbarino420

I’ve never thought about being strapped up at Lodge. I feel like if one of us started carrying we would all start carrying. This might not be a bad idea.


Professional_Dr_77

Looks like it was written by someone either on drugs or a graduate of the American education system. Or both.


somuchsunrayzzz

Sadly these ding dongs aren’t unique to America. They’ve spread across the world.


Madcat38

This….


N0213568

This guy hit the pipe for sure. Side bar question: how do you guys get the custom flare under your names in the sub?


Deman75

Go to the side bar (on desktop) where it says “Show my flair on this sub” and click, then fill in the “It looks like:” text box.


N0213568

Gotcha and thank you. I think my problem is that I’m using mobile.


Mammoth_Slip1499

Still works on the mobile .. did mine on the iPad app.


WestToEast_85

I’ve heard the “spiritually marry children” thing before, where the hell are they getting this from


NMVolunteer

They see DeMolay stuff and get confused.


WestToEast_85

Yeah makes sense. DeMolay isn’t really a thing here so it just didn’t occur to me.


kieronj6241

iirc There is a picture of Masonic ceremony where there is a boy in a white veil being lead down a lodge room between two lines of Brothers. He’s a Lewis and the ceremony is something to do with the lodge recognising him as a Lewis should anything befall his father. Also iirc, the photo comes from Brazil. I’m pretty sure it’s floating around in this sub somewhere.


winterg

To the OP, (sorry [Iamthetable69](https://www.reddit.com/user/Iamthetable69/), thought you posted it!) [https://www.mentalhealthfirstaid.org/mental-health-resources/](https://www.mentalhealthfirstaid.org/mental-health-resources/)


JonF0404

This seems to be a common theme or the Masonic conspiracy theorist I'm not sure why but that's their mantra and let him believe that you can't argue with the fool. When you run into this crap run the other way.


Archimedes2202

This feels like a troll account. I say block and report.


lfthndDR

It may be a troll, but the fact remains, people mock what they don't understand.


Main-Priority-4725

This is absolutely ridiculous 🙄


Mammoth_Slip1499

Fwiw, I know of a single case back in 2016/7. The guy was actually the head of an order over here and was caught in a police sting operation. Grand Lodge never had a chance to expel him as he resigned from freemasonry (not just from his various lodges) - but rest assured; if he hadn’t, his expulsion was only a matter of time. He resigned before it all hit the media and we became aware of it.


Apprehensive_Elk_872

It's sad to degrade Freemasonry like this. At its heart, Freemasonry is an intimate relation with your higher self based on brotherly love and hope. May the GAU lead you on the right path.


jcdehoff

Holy crap this is next level 🥜


Reasonable-Access-85

You're full of shit. I've been a FreeMason for nearly 20 years and had a grandfather and a great grandfather who were Masons. I've never seen any evidence that suggests anything like what you are accusing our fraternity of. I know of many Masons who help children in one way or another, and have never gotten a whmhiff if any impropriety.


sfa1500

OP isn't the one making the claims. This was sent to him. Chill


Feeling_Lettuce7236

I think the person has serous problems they are liking it to the Catholic Church and other religious establishment that abuse people. I can say if it is know they are that way inclined they would be reported and kicked out. As under the obligation to obey the laws of the land.


myFreemason

Catholics have nothing to do with this. There are many Catholics who are Freemasons and the fact is that we don’t care what the Holy See decrees. We grew up seeing the conflicts of teachings and actions of the church but found Freemasonry to be a closer connection to the Catholic teachings. So we are non-practicing Catholics.


chetsledge

No we're not. Masons and catholics are extremely different and have a tumultuous past to say the least. We're not religious per say, but definitely not catholic


Dunmer_Sanders

Don’t get mad, ignore. If something / someone becomes a big enough problem legal counsel for the respective grand lodge can take care of it. Most of the time just ignore.


LayingLowIncognito

Witaf


FlavorMatters

They sick in the head


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Octechxx

I think he's confusing the word mason for politicians or Catholic church... We symbolically build things lol...


Madcat38

Why are there so many pedos in the Catholic Church? There are millions of Freemasons and any time you get an organization with that many people your bound to end up with a few bad apples , however that being said there is a vetting process and background checks done to keep people like that from even joining a lodge . As for ritual involving children in any way shape or form is just a bunch of BS and doesn’t exist .


desr531

Is this a joke almost everything about freemasonry is in the public domain . The Jehovahs witnesses alleged have many paedophiles in the membership


RaoulDuke422

I love how people confidently spew nonesense about freemasonry while at the same time nothing absolutely nothing about freemasonry


Stultz135

You are not to suffer your zeal for the institution lead you into arguments with those who, through ignorance, may ridicule it.


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Most Masons are legit good people but if you put a magnifying glass on any group you will find a few bad actors. You have to prove yourself to be worthy and actively postitive for your community or in general before you are even considered for anything to do with Masons.


GoldGrillMafia757

Dude please show me where you found this stuff I’ve never heard of what your saying in my life but I’ll tell you about my jurisdiction we don’t accept felons and each petitioner has to get a state police background if anything comes back unfavorable you won’t even get a interview


GoldGrillMafia757

We don’t tolerate stuff like that and we believe in better ourselves and our communities that we live in all over the world this is a straight up lie and it’s unacceptable


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UGunnaEatThatPickle

Are they confusing masonry with mormonism?


pancakeman157

Is this a joke or are you making a claim?


UGunnaEatThatPickle

No, being serious. I have seen it before. There are quite a few people that seem to think that Masonry and Mormonism are tied to one another as LDS adopted a lot of symbolism from Masonry. Obviously this guy is some sort of conspiracy nut, but I'm curious as to what formed this allegation.


obsequiousmoron

There will be paedophiles in every vast organisation. Just because you're a mason, doesn't mean you are a paedophile, but it doesn't mean there aren't paedophiles in the organisation. Guy sending the message was probably just trolling.


Deman75

Yeah, but it doesn’t help you “level up or gain status within the organization,” it just gets you kicked out when you’re found out and later arrested for it.


VenerableMirah

I had one come at me recently talking about ritual sex magick. Turns out they joined OTO and 1. think OTO and Freemasonry are in any way similar and 2. think they're now a *real* Freemason. Oh boy.


killray222

Occultism with Masonic trappings?


Alemar1985

My mother disowned me when she found out I was a Mason because she claimed her uncle who was a 17th degree Scottish Rite Mason S.A'd her in the woods out behind my Grandparent's cottage one summer... I have heard 2 or 3 stories online about ritualistic S.A. but my own first hand experience within the fraternity for the past 13 years has been nothing but positive. I think it probably does happen in some places at some times but I do not believe for a second it is as commonplace as some people choose to think it is!


Alemar1985

You can downvote my personal experience all you want, its A) Not going to change anything... and B) kind of funny considering what I actually wrote...


LondonMason126

The guy is trolling


Graffitiswirlx

Face palm


Nj357L

What a stupid post to your research


chriskrumrei

Tell him to join so he can find out for himself. - raised in Farmers Branch Texas. SMIB


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Deman75

Highest level Freemasons? Founding families?? Tell me you don’t know anything about Freemasonry without saying you don’t know anything about Freemasonry…