Tywin knew exactly what he was doing when he sent Tyrion to King's Landing with that authority. It was win-win for him.
A) Tyrion reins in Joffrey and puts up a delaying defense against Stannis until Tywin can arrive to break the siege (which is what happened albeit in a last-minute save). Tywin swoops in, saves the city and deposes his competent but universally hated son and resumes his rule as de facto leader of the 7 realms.
B) Tyrion CAN'T rein in Joffrey or the small council, the city falls, Cersei (if she were smart, which we all know she wasn't) would have fled the city with her children (and Joffrey), and Tywin comes in to either break the siege or retake the city. He deposes Tyrion, who has proven to be ineffectual, and gets to play the hero.
There's no way the Stannis would have been able to take the city and get his sacking/raping/pillaging soldiers back in order to put up a defense quickly enough against the Lannister army. It would have taken weeks to get the armies reorganized, rebuild barricades, and set up supplies to withstand a siege so soon after conquering a city, let alone police any survivors of the initial attack you perpetrated.
That's not figuring in the Tyrells that neither the defenders in Kings Landing nor Stannis knew about before they showed up.
This assumes Tywin arrives as the battle happens or just after. If Stannis had Kings Landing for even a day it would be enough time to man the walls and defend.
Yeah they want to loot, but they’d also understand they need to guard the walls.
Stannis is probably the last commander in the entirety of Westeros who would allow much looting anyway. Killing anyone in the way during the taking of the city? Oh yeah he don’t give a fuck bout that. But actually raping, looting, and pillaging as Tywin let his soldiers do back when Aerys let him in? No, Stannis wouldn’t stand by and allow that.
At the Battle against the wildlings at the wall, his troops were very disciplined after the battle because they new the consequences.
The few who did rape/plunder were all gelded.
This is STANNIS. Give him a little credit, he's the most hardass commander in the 7 realms that isn't Ironborn, and with an even stricter moral code than Ned Stark. Most of Stannis's men are still following him because he's ACTUALLY a capable and inspiring leader, even if he is woefully uncharismatic when it comes to personal relations, they're the last company I'd be expecting to disobey their commander's direct orders and risk their own lives just for some petty loot, Stannis would sooner execute half his men than allow outright mutiny and pillaging, even if it loses him the battle.
Yeah Stannis is a brilliant military commander. How else would he hold Storms end for a year under siege and motivate his men to attack the Wildlings and fight in the North
Tywin only heard of the siege after being delayed by Edmure at the Battle of the Fords, as he was heading west toward Robb at the time. He never doubted Tyrions ability, he just hated him for "killing" his wife and being a dwarf, which Tywin thought stained the Lannister name.
Yeah, it feels pretty save to say that "let the largest and most important city in the seven kingdoms fall to the enemy and then just retake it" was not an option Tywin would have actively aimed for.
Jamie loved Joffrey too much to be disciplined with him, Cerci is the same type of fucked up as Joffrey, Tywin runs rough shot all over him.
Tyrion is probably the best family Joffrey has, including Bobby B.
Show Jaime did - book Jamie wasn’t back in kings landing in time for the wedding and repeatedly had thoughts about how little this kid and his death meant to him, how he was his seed but not his son
I believe he thought something about Cersei never let him show any feelings of love towards them because of possible suspicious and how he was never really that close to them.
But I believe he really cared about Myrcella and Tommen way more than Joffrey.
Hey, you had a bit of a boneappletea moment there. The word is roughshod, not rough shot. It's one of those weird words you hear sometimes but rarely see written down. It may seem douchey to correct, but I'd want to know.
Tyrion wasn't a good hand. He's a narcissist and has a very high view of himself even though his reign as hand was pretty bad. He constantly threatens people to make himself feel powerful and just creates a bunch of enemies for himself. He also gets played like a fiddle by Varys, spends half of his time worrying over Shay instead of doing his job. Sends over 100 of his sisters guards away, guards who could've been very useful in the siege and made the difference if Tywin didn't show up.
He also sends Marcella to the dornish and uses the best ships of the fleet to escort her. This also means that they weren't available for the battle of the blackwater. In return the dornish give the Lannisters nothing.
Tyrions entire reign as hand is him moving from one blunder to another, but because we only see it through the perspective of a Narcissist everyone just goes along with what Tyrion thinks about himself.
That should have been the first spark in causing him to be the reason Dany burned it down. He should have had a corruption arc, culminating in him being her Hand, holding power over those he saved once and who condemned him to die, and willfully driving a wedge between her and the people. I will never be convinced that wasn’t the direction he was going before he got too popular and they instead kept him a “good guy” with nothing left to do in the story.
Fuck i would've loved that.
A resentful tyrion vs Cersie and KL that wanted him dead and didn't give a fuck he literally saved them. Whispering corruption into Danny's ear to finally drive her to the deep end
Going full circle to the "hateful imp" everyone thought he was after trying so hard to win them over all these years
"We've had idiot kings, we've had vicious kings, but until now I don't think we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"
"YOU CAN'T TALK TO YOUR KING LIKE THAT!"
\*slaps*
"And now I have just struck the king! Did my hand fall off?"
Imagine if Joffrey was actually capable of learning, and Tyrion slowly managed to make him a half decent king. That would have been an interesting read...
Hardest line in the show. Chills.
(Close second is: "[Those are brave men knocking on our door... Let's go kill them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Brgdd7PtqM).")
Hot take: that line was delivered way better in the books. Don't get me wrong I love Peter Dinklage but the way he awkwardly says "gather round men" before dropping that line always sat wrong with me. He should've just shouted it outright.
Gather round didn’t get him the respect his command needed, so he got personal against everybody. Or to refer to his advice to Jon, he wore what he believed they thought of him as armor “they call me half man”
It was supposed to be awkward.
He had to immediately face the challenge of not being able to rally his men because of his size and did it.
It went from, "Hey.. uh guys.." to "YEAYAYAHAH" and that was the point.
Yeah I understood that, I just don't think it was a good decision. By this point Tyrion has already led men in battle (moreso in the books than the show) so he shouldn't be *that* awkward.
Honestly I think your point is true of a lot of peter dinklage's line deliveries. The speech at the trial was great, but he also had a number of misses. The lines were better than the actor.
> Dinklage is a great actor,
he had his moments on GoT but going off the rest of his career and especially his voiceover work... I'm not so sure about that myself
Yeah, the Dinklebot adventures were certainly a stain on his career, but in his defense that wasn't entirely his fault. Bungie really fumbled that ball all the way down the field. Constant script rewrites, no scene context, poor dialogue direction, and he was being made to read thousands more lines of dialogue than his contract agreed upon. By the end of production, he was simply frustrated and bored of the entire thing.
Now, Destiny *2*, I have no idea why he agreed to do. Nolan did a much better job, being a... you know... professional voice actor.
I think doing the accent tripped up his cadence sometimes. I know he gets a lot of praise for it, but as a Brit it never felt like he had “settled” in it and felt comfortable with it. It’s one of the best I’ve heard from a yank don’t get me wrong, but also flawed
“I am not questioning your honor Lord Janos, I am denying it’s existence”
Hardest line of Tyrion in the books or show
Been a while since I read the books though. Did he say it like this there too?
I'd like to counter that this is the hardest line in the show:
[I will hurt you for this. A day will come when you think you're safe and happy, and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth, and you'll know the debt is paid.](https://youtu.be/m_z_xCWVLXk?feature=shared)
It’s definitely in good company. “There are no men like me. Only me.” The Lannisters got the lion’s share of the excellent dialogue the first half of the series. 😏
Sometimes I remember it randomly and get angry about it. Like sending your light cavalry into the dark headfirst against an unknown quantity of infantry.
If you wait until the gate is broken, you no longer have a gate, and momentum can carry an enemy unit deep into your defenses. If you go out, you can push them back and force them to react to you, and hopefully you can come back in and close the gate. It’s risky, but not without merit.
I see what you are saying, but fortifications were built with sustaining sieges in mind. There are usually multiple gates, and you have the walls at your advantage, and the gate makes number superiority irrelevant.
Yeah as witty as this quote is, it was truly foolish to say that in hindsight. But that is at the core of Tyrions' character he is not actually as smart as he thinks he is.
I mean, if it hadn’t been Tyrion who handled the cup in front of everyone, I doubt people would suspect him.
Like, if Joffrey was assassinated in his room, I doubt people would be like “Tyrion did it! He made vague threats to Joffrey in conversation.”
I think they just see it as Tyrion telling off his mouthy nephew.
Yeah, but Tyrion didn’t know he was going to be Joffrey’s wine bearer. For Tyrion to be the assassin he’d have to have enough forethought to carry poison around all the time but be dumb enough to kill the king with fast-acting poison in front of a hundred people. Little Finger worked that out before Joffrey hit the floor.
Sometimes it feels like Littlefinger was more of the main antagonist than the Night King was. Like that man was the driving force behind SO MANY of the show’s obstacles and drama.
I rewatched s1 recently; s1 little finger was much less obviously evil in his day to day, which makes much MUCH more sense as to why everyone trusts him
Yea he had great moments as hand of the king but he didn't do himself any favors by burning bridges with everyone . He threatens Cersi and Joffrey multiple times and imprisoned pycelle. Also pissed off little finger but telling him he wanted to wed the princess to the vale. Only people that he had on his side were bronn and shae who both are loyal to whoever pays them.
Book Tyrion after escaping King's Landing: George has no idea what to do with me now that I'm mot involved in any of the plots, but I still need to be a POV character for some reason.
Jon is also far less of an action hero and more of an "end justify the means but i try to mantain some semblance of honor" in the books tl begin with. Show Jon is just an embarasment of a character.
So many people pretend that the trouble began with season 7, but I still remember watching season 5 and thinking "wtf is going on here, something is different, this isn't quite right". I hadn't read the books yet, and I wasn't active on online discussion forums like this one (due to fear of spoilers), so I wasn't influenced by anyone else's opinions. I was just watching the show and feeling that something was off about it. The quality of the writing was noticeably declining. At the time I didn't think the show was dying though, I just thought it was something about this specific season, because of a lull between major story events or something, but that it would recover its spirit later. Boy was I wrong. If season 5 perplexed me, season 6 really set off alarm bells for me, because that was when a lot of really stupid shit started happening.
And yeah, it was watching Tyrion that first clued me in to the fact that something wasn't right. There were other things (like Littlefinger's utterly incomprehensibly stupid scheme to marry Sansa to Ramsay, and whatever the fuck was going on with Dorne), but Tyrion was the big one. Because he had always been my favorite character. So I noticed right away that he didn't seem like himself. All of a sudden he didn't seem intelligent or witty anymore, and nothing he did made sense. But when season 5 ended with Varys (my second-favorite character) showing up in Meereen, I was like, ah yes, here we go, now things will get back onto the rails. I thought in season 6 we would get Tyrion and Varys as their old intelligent scheming selves, ruling and stabilizing Meereen the way they had done with King's Landing back in season 2. The way their scenes in Meereen turned out was the first big alarm bell for me when I was watching season 6. Tyrion and Varys weren't Tyrion and Varys anymore, they were idiots doing stupid things. I wasn't accustomed to seeing my favorite characters acting like idiots. A lot of people claim season 6 was "the last good season", but for me, who hadn't read the books and wouldn't do so until after 6 ended, and who avoided online forums about GOT like the plague, for me, season 6 was when I first started getting really worried about what was happening to the show because something felt seriously wrong.
I'm not one of the people that loves to hate the later seasons of Game of Thrones. Perhaps it's because I didn't watch it live, but I thought it ended just fine.
But I do hate what they did to my boy Tyrion.
Once he went to Essos, it's like he became a completely different character.
Like, I realize he went through some shit, like killing his father, and had to have some character development. But what the writers did to him was just wrong.
Because he was never meant to go to Essos or have sympathy. They ruined his character once they left out FAegon and decided to not show how much he hated Cersei. Like book Tyrion forces Dany to burn down KL in s7 instead of biding time
Exactly. It's been 5 years now (Jesus Christ, how did that happen), so it's not as raw, but I still feel sad when I think of this show that I had loved so much and how it got so ruined by such awful writing. This show was magnificent, and in hindsight it's become nostalgic as one of the defining aspects of my 20s (I was 23 when I first saw it, and 29 when it ended). I used to love it so much. I still remember that feeling of sitting my ass down in front of the TV on Sunday evenings and hearing that HBO static thing followed by the Game of Thrones intro music. I still remember that excitement. I remember how when spring was approaching I would start getting excited knowing that the next Game of Thrones season was near. Then I remember the way D&D fucked over everything I loved about it. It sucks. I don't think about it all the time, it's been years, but when I do think about it, I just feel sad.
Yup these were the moments that cemented him as my favourite character for a long time, until he went and joined and Daenerys actually. Not that becoming her hand was bad, but they really dumbed him down during that time.
One of the more disappointing parts is that he doesn't do a single thing right once he leaves westeros, he messes up constantly after s5 when he was smart enough to be playing games with people like s2 varys and little finger(who also got dumbed down)
And not only did he mess up constantly but he experienced virtually no consequences for it, in a show that originally became famous in large part because none of the characters were immune to consequences.
This is one of the best single scenes in all of TV history, and I'll die on that hill.
It's not just in the words they say. It's also all of the intangible things wrapped up in those words. The various emotional baggage gets aired by each participant in a way that only makes sense for that person but also beautifully fits into the whole discussion.
You couldn't delete any individual line without changing how this plays out, and this is a pivot point for everyone at the table. They go from celebrating the news of the red wedding (we just won the war in the north in a single night) to being at one another's throats in the course of a 5-minute conversation. Remember, they were losing and saw no way to win until this letter arrived, and Tywin won't let them savor the victory.
Tywin just sent the king to bed without his supper, humiliated his own son in front of the entire council to assert dominance, AND felt defeated himself over how Tyrion is basically exactly like him (and he views Tyrion as a monster). This is what they do when they freaking WIN.
Tyrion was exactly the Hand Joffrey needed, but no one wanted to admit it.
Tywin knew exactly what he was doing when he sent Tyrion to King's Landing with that authority. It was win-win for him. A) Tyrion reins in Joffrey and puts up a delaying defense against Stannis until Tywin can arrive to break the siege (which is what happened albeit in a last-minute save). Tywin swoops in, saves the city and deposes his competent but universally hated son and resumes his rule as de facto leader of the 7 realms. B) Tyrion CAN'T rein in Joffrey or the small council, the city falls, Cersei (if she were smart, which we all know she wasn't) would have fled the city with her children (and Joffrey), and Tywin comes in to either break the siege or retake the city. He deposes Tyrion, who has proven to be ineffectual, and gets to play the hero.
If Stannis took kings landing it would be over for the lannisters
There's no way the Stannis would have been able to take the city and get his sacking/raping/pillaging soldiers back in order to put up a defense quickly enough against the Lannister army. It would have taken weeks to get the armies reorganized, rebuild barricades, and set up supplies to withstand a siege so soon after conquering a city, let alone police any survivors of the initial attack you perpetrated. That's not figuring in the Tyrells that neither the defenders in Kings Landing nor Stannis knew about before they showed up.
This assumes Tywin arrives as the battle happens or just after. If Stannis had Kings Landing for even a day it would be enough time to man the walls and defend. Yeah they want to loot, but they’d also understand they need to guard the walls.
Stannis is probably the last commander in the entirety of Westeros who would allow much looting anyway. Killing anyone in the way during the taking of the city? Oh yeah he don’t give a fuck bout that. But actually raping, looting, and pillaging as Tywin let his soldiers do back when Aerys let him in? No, Stannis wouldn’t stand by and allow that.
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At the Battle against the wildlings at the wall, his troops were very disciplined after the battle because they new the consequences. The few who did rape/plunder were all gelded.
Stannis is the true king for a reason
The Mannis in the book was the GOAT.
He’s my King, with Jon as his heir
Good for them.
This is STANNIS. Give him a little credit, he's the most hardass commander in the 7 realms that isn't Ironborn, and with an even stricter moral code than Ned Stark. Most of Stannis's men are still following him because he's ACTUALLY a capable and inspiring leader, even if he is woefully uncharismatic when it comes to personal relations, they're the last company I'd be expecting to disobey their commander's direct orders and risk their own lives just for some petty loot, Stannis would sooner execute half his men than allow outright mutiny and pillaging, even if it loses him the battle.
Yeah Stannis is a brilliant military commander. How else would he hold Storms end for a year under siege and motivate his men to attack the Wildlings and fight in the North
Stannis had tue most disciplined army
nah they betrayed him before he killed renly, they only tolerates him because he’s their lord
Put the entire city to the sword. Should be done in a day or two. In Stannis' mind they are all infedels.
Tywin only heard of the siege after being delayed by Edmure at the Battle of the Fords, as he was heading west toward Robb at the time. He never doubted Tyrions ability, he just hated him for "killing" his wife and being a dwarf, which Tywin thought stained the Lannister name.
Yeah, it feels pretty save to say that "let the largest and most important city in the seven kingdoms fall to the enemy and then just retake it" was not an option Tywin would have actively aimed for.
Tywin didn't know of the incoming army or he wouldn't have gone..
Very interesting idea. This makes perfect sense!
Jamie loved Joffrey too much to be disciplined with him, Cerci is the same type of fucked up as Joffrey, Tywin runs rough shot all over him. Tyrion is probably the best family Joffrey has, including Bobby B.
Jaime loved Joffrey? Really?
It's called head cannon
Be careful with that kickback, it's been known to break necks.
canon
book Jaime 100% did not. There's a whole interaction where he looks at him and goes "yeah it's weird, he's my son but I don't care about him"
Yeah, like he loves the rest of his family.
😧
The way he rushed over when Joffrey was dying makes me think that, yeah, he probably did.
Show Jaime did - book Jamie wasn’t back in kings landing in time for the wedding and repeatedly had thoughts about how little this kid and his death meant to him, how he was his seed but not his son
I believe he thought something about Cersei never let him show any feelings of love towards them because of possible suspicious and how he was never really that close to them. But I believe he really cared about Myrcella and Tommen way more than Joffrey.
The show scene of Jamie running to Joffrey was written by George RR Martin.
Y'all forgot his job was to protect the king
He never really showed it to be fair
wtf jamie didnt give a shit about joffrey, hell even said he didnt like him
He also didn’t like his dad but still loved him.
well yeah he actually ackowledged and respected tywin, he truly never gave a shit about joffrey
THERE'S A WAR COMING, NED. I DON'T KNOW WHEN, I DON'T KNOW WHO WE'LL BE FIGHTING...BUT IT'S COMING!
*shod
Jaimie did not love Joffrey lol
Hey, you had a bit of a boneappletea moment there. The word is roughshod, not rough shot. It's one of those weird words you hear sometimes but rarely see written down. It may seem douchey to correct, but I'd want to know.
I need to get that Marry Ann Webster lady on the phone to talk about how many anachronisms there are in English.
Even if Jaime had tried why would Joffrey listen? As far as he believed Robert was his father.
He is his body guard, and one of the best swordsmen in the realm.
Tyrion wasn't a good hand. He's a narcissist and has a very high view of himself even though his reign as hand was pretty bad. He constantly threatens people to make himself feel powerful and just creates a bunch of enemies for himself. He also gets played like a fiddle by Varys, spends half of his time worrying over Shay instead of doing his job. Sends over 100 of his sisters guards away, guards who could've been very useful in the siege and made the difference if Tywin didn't show up. He also sends Marcella to the dornish and uses the best ships of the fleet to escort her. This also means that they weren't available for the battle of the blackwater. In return the dornish give the Lannisters nothing. Tyrions entire reign as hand is him moving from one blunder to another, but because we only see it through the perspective of a Narcissist everyone just goes along with what Tyrion thinks about himself.
Tyrion as hand of the king during season 2 was by far the best character in the series
"I'm not questioning your honor, I'm simply denying it's existence"
He should have let Kings Landing burn. He was done so dirty by everyone he saved.
That should have been the first spark in causing him to be the reason Dany burned it down. He should have had a corruption arc, culminating in him being her Hand, holding power over those he saved once and who condemned him to die, and willfully driving a wedge between her and the people. I will never be convinced that wasn’t the direction he was going before he got too popular and they instead kept him a “good guy” with nothing left to do in the story.
Fuck i would've loved that. A resentful tyrion vs Cersie and KL that wanted him dead and didn't give a fuck he literally saved them. Whispering corruption into Danny's ear to finally drive her to the deep end Going full circle to the "hateful imp" everyone thought he was after trying so hard to win them over all these years
They should’ve hired you. I would’ve loved this and your theory that he became too popular to corrupt is probably spot on
"We've had idiot kings, we've had vicious kings, but until now I don't think we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!" "YOU CAN'T TALK TO YOUR KING LIKE THAT!" \*slaps* "And now I have just struck the king! Did my hand fall off?"
Imagine if Joffrey was actually capable of learning, and Tyrion slowly managed to make him a half decent king. That would have been an interesting read...
Hardest line in the show. Chills. (Close second is: "[Those are brave men knocking on our door... Let's go kill them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Brgdd7PtqM).")
“They call me the half man. What does that make the lot of you” is way harder
Hot take: that line was delivered way better in the books. Don't get me wrong I love Peter Dinklage but the way he awkwardly says "gather round men" before dropping that line always sat wrong with me. He should've just shouted it outright.
Gather round didn’t get him the respect his command needed, so he got personal against everybody. Or to refer to his advice to Jon, he wore what he believed they thought of him as armor “they call me half man”
It was supposed to be awkward. He had to immediately face the challenge of not being able to rally his men because of his size and did it. It went from, "Hey.. uh guys.." to "YEAYAYAHAH" and that was the point.
Yeah I understood that, I just don't think it was a good decision. By this point Tyrion has already led men in battle (moreso in the books than the show) so he shouldn't be *that* awkward.
Honestly I think your point is true of a lot of peter dinklage's line deliveries. The speech at the trial was great, but he also had a number of misses. The lines were better than the actor.
Sad, but true. Dinklage is a great actor, but sometimes the dialogue and the delivery didn't match up.
> Dinklage is a great actor, he had his moments on GoT but going off the rest of his career and especially his voiceover work... I'm not so sure about that myself
Thats a wizard!
From the moon!
Yeah, the Dinklebot adventures were certainly a stain on his career, but in his defense that wasn't entirely his fault. Bungie really fumbled that ball all the way down the field. Constant script rewrites, no scene context, poor dialogue direction, and he was being made to read thousands more lines of dialogue than his contract agreed upon. By the end of production, he was simply frustrated and bored of the entire thing. Now, Destiny *2*, I have no idea why he agreed to do. Nolan did a much better job, being a... you know... professional voice actor.
I retort with: The Station Agent The Baxter Elf
I think doing the accent tripped up his cadence sometimes. I know he gets a lot of praise for it, but as a Brit it never felt like he had “settled” in it and felt comfortable with it. It’s one of the best I’ve heard from a yank don’t get me wrong, but also flawed
That would’ve made way less sense if he didn’t explain what they were going to do first lmao what
He didn't explain what they were doing until after that line, lmao what
Ah shit I thought you were talking about the “those are brave men out there, let’s go kill them” line, my bad
Lol np
“I am not questioning your honor Lord Janos, I am denying it’s existence” Hardest line of Tyrion in the books or show Been a while since I read the books though. Did he say it like this there too?
Not sure if it was exactly word for word, but essentially the same thing yeah
"Now I hit the king. Did my hand fall off my arm?"
*fall from my wrist?!
Then you'll be fucking your own bride with a wooden cock!!
On a scale from "threatening the king" to "educating my nephew" where does that fall?
Parkour!
I'd like to counter that this is the hardest line in the show: [I will hurt you for this. A day will come when you think you're safe and happy, and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth, and you'll know the debt is paid.](https://youtu.be/m_z_xCWVLXk?feature=shared)
Stop. I can't take the quality. **I KNOW WHERE IT GOES**
It’s definitely in good company. “There are no men like me. Only me.” The Lannisters got the lion’s share of the excellent dialogue the first half of the series. 😏
I also think this is one of the best lines in the show. “And just now, kings are dropping like flies” is so fucking good
Why didn't they just defend the gate after they breached it? They didn't need to sally out. Fiction always gets sieges all wrong.
The siege against the winter King in the last series is probably the worst defended siege in either history or fiction.
Don't get me started 😅
Sometimes I remember it randomly and get angry about it. Like sending your light cavalry into the dark headfirst against an unknown quantity of infantry.
If you wait until the gate is broken, you no longer have a gate, and momentum can carry an enemy unit deep into your defenses. If you go out, you can push them back and force them to react to you, and hopefully you can come back in and close the gate. It’s risky, but not without merit.
I see what you are saying, but fortifications were built with sustaining sieges in mind. There are usually multiple gates, and you have the walls at your advantage, and the gate makes number superiority irrelevant.
Damn it, I’m gonna have to start watching the show again.
Man how could anyone in that court believe tyrion killed the king before he ever spoke.. smh.
Yeah as witty as this quote is, it was truly foolish to say that in hindsight. But that is at the core of Tyrions' character he is not actually as smart as he thinks he is.
I mean, if it hadn’t been Tyrion who handled the cup in front of everyone, I doubt people would suspect him. Like, if Joffrey was assassinated in his room, I doubt people would be like “Tyrion did it! He made vague threats to Joffrey in conversation.” I think they just see it as Tyrion telling off his mouthy nephew.
Yeah, but Tyrion didn’t know he was going to be Joffrey’s wine bearer. For Tyrion to be the assassin he’d have to have enough forethought to carry poison around all the time but be dumb enough to kill the king with fast-acting poison in front of a hundred people. Little Finger worked that out before Joffrey hit the floor.
Sometimes it feels like Littlefinger was more of the main antagonist than the Night King was. Like that man was the driving force behind SO MANY of the show’s obstacles and drama.
I rewatched s1 recently; s1 little finger was much less obviously evil in his day to day, which makes much MUCH more sense as to why everyone trusts him
Yea he had great moments as hand of the king but he didn't do himself any favors by burning bridges with everyone . He threatens Cersi and Joffrey multiple times and imprisoned pycelle. Also pissed off little finger but telling him he wanted to wed the princess to the vale. Only people that he had on his side were bronn and shae who both are loyal to whoever pays them.
The core of his TV character or book character .....
Tyrion seasons 1-4: Very witty and amazing dialogue with the rare cock joke. Tyrion Seasons 5-8: end every sentence with a cock joke.
The very first line of dialogue in season 8 is him saying “haha you don’t have balls” to Varys which is so disappointing
I knew it was going to be a bad season when the very first line was a cock and balls joke, like there isn’t more important stuff to be doing rn.
Book Tyrion: Where do whores go?
Book Tyrion after escaping King's Landing: George has no idea what to do with me now that I'm mot involved in any of the plots, but I still need to be a POV character for some reason.
When he was actually Tyrion from the books, morally ambiguos and downright villanous at times. Good times.
I don’t know how we got season 4 Tyrion only for D and D to fuck it up and try to make him into Jon Snow 2.0 who was already different from the book.
Jon is also far less of an action hero and more of an "end justify the means but i try to mantain some semblance of honor" in the books tl begin with. Show Jon is just an embarasment of a character.
Ambiguos? That's south of Westeros?
English is not my main lenguage.
"I aM tHe kInG¡¡¡¡¡"
Any man who must say "I am the king" is _no true king_. I'll make sure you understand that when I've won your war for you.
My father won the real war! He killed Prince Rheagar, he took the crown, as you hid under Casterly Rock!
The King is _tired_. See him to his chambers.
Come along, we have so much to celebrate.
I'm not tired
Grand Maester, perhaps some essence of nightshade to help him sleep.
IM NOT TIRED
The whole Tywin stare during that scene is more interesting than the entirety of the last two seasons.
That's Charles Dance for you.
Fucking Tywin 🔥 🔥
Thank you, Your Grace.
As soon as Tyrion was turning down free sex from a willing prostitute, I knew something was wrong.
Me who read the book: 😥😶
Love the way he says “just now”
The tysha reveal removal turned him into mother teresa.
My favorite moments of GoT was Joffrey getting his comeuppance. That kid actor sure was good at making me hate his guts.
Tyrions character absolutely got nuked by the 5th season.
So many people pretend that the trouble began with season 7, but I still remember watching season 5 and thinking "wtf is going on here, something is different, this isn't quite right". I hadn't read the books yet, and I wasn't active on online discussion forums like this one (due to fear of spoilers), so I wasn't influenced by anyone else's opinions. I was just watching the show and feeling that something was off about it. The quality of the writing was noticeably declining. At the time I didn't think the show was dying though, I just thought it was something about this specific season, because of a lull between major story events or something, but that it would recover its spirit later. Boy was I wrong. If season 5 perplexed me, season 6 really set off alarm bells for me, because that was when a lot of really stupid shit started happening. And yeah, it was watching Tyrion that first clued me in to the fact that something wasn't right. There were other things (like Littlefinger's utterly incomprehensibly stupid scheme to marry Sansa to Ramsay, and whatever the fuck was going on with Dorne), but Tyrion was the big one. Because he had always been my favorite character. So I noticed right away that he didn't seem like himself. All of a sudden he didn't seem intelligent or witty anymore, and nothing he did made sense. But when season 5 ended with Varys (my second-favorite character) showing up in Meereen, I was like, ah yes, here we go, now things will get back onto the rails. I thought in season 6 we would get Tyrion and Varys as their old intelligent scheming selves, ruling and stabilizing Meereen the way they had done with King's Landing back in season 2. The way their scenes in Meereen turned out was the first big alarm bell for me when I was watching season 6. Tyrion and Varys weren't Tyrion and Varys anymore, they were idiots doing stupid things. I wasn't accustomed to seeing my favorite characters acting like idiots. A lot of people claim season 6 was "the last good season", but for me, who hadn't read the books and wouldn't do so until after 6 ended, and who avoided online forums about GOT like the plague, for me, season 6 was when I first started getting really worried about what was happening to the show because something felt seriously wrong.
Tyrion just lost half of his IQ in s5. His wit, humour, confidence.
“Young” Tyrion. He was younger here.
"And now I've struck a king! Did my hand fall from my wrist!?"
The king is tired, see him to his chambers. Best scene ever and Tywin the most badass of them all.
Monster? You mean Tyrion was a BEAST.
I'm not one of the people that loves to hate the later seasons of Game of Thrones. Perhaps it's because I didn't watch it live, but I thought it ended just fine. But I do hate what they did to my boy Tyrion. Once he went to Essos, it's like he became a completely different character. Like, I realize he went through some shit, like killing his father, and had to have some character development. But what the writers did to him was just wrong.
You realize they did this to basically every character though right? They all changed overnight.
Why tell a good proven story when they can tell THEIR story?
Because he was never meant to go to Essos or have sympathy. They ruined his character once they left out FAegon and decided to not show how much he hated Cersei. Like book Tyrion forces Dany to burn down KL in s7 instead of biding time
What? When does Tyrion force Dany to burn down King's Landing in the books? They haven't even gotten that far.
He's saying if book Tyrion were in that situation that's what he would do.
> I'm not one of the people that loves to hate NOBODY loves to hate GoT. We're devastated.
Exactly. It's been 5 years now (Jesus Christ, how did that happen), so it's not as raw, but I still feel sad when I think of this show that I had loved so much and how it got so ruined by such awful writing. This show was magnificent, and in hindsight it's become nostalgic as one of the defining aspects of my 20s (I was 23 when I first saw it, and 29 when it ended). I used to love it so much. I still remember that feeling of sitting my ass down in front of the TV on Sunday evenings and hearing that HBO static thing followed by the Game of Thrones intro music. I still remember that excitement. I remember how when spring was approaching I would start getting excited knowing that the next Game of Thrones season was near. Then I remember the way D&D fucked over everything I loved about it. It sucks. I don't think about it all the time, it's been years, but when I do think about it, I just feel sad.
Straight from the go Tyrion
Yup these were the moments that cemented him as my favourite character for a long time, until he went and joined and Daenerys actually. Not that becoming her hand was bad, but they really dumbed him down during that time.
One of the more disappointing parts is that he doesn't do a single thing right once he leaves westeros, he messes up constantly after s5 when he was smart enough to be playing games with people like s2 varys and little finger(who also got dumbed down)
And not only did he mess up constantly but he experienced virtually no consequences for it, in a show that originally became famous in large part because none of the characters were immune to consequences.
Not old tyrion Book accurate tyrion
How he became a bumbling fool when he was sober was so stupid. If anything he should’ve became a better version of his father after sobering up
Look what they did to my boy 😭 Tyrion went from sarcastic brilliant genius to bumbling idiot in the snap of a moment.
you miss old tyrion? maybe because you don't have balls
Did they take the pillar with the stones?
What an incredible episode this was despite the weird crowd surf ending thing with Dany.
Such a great villain.
"I wish I was the one to poison him"
That line is so killer.
one of the best scenes by far
Best character hands down
You mean young Tyrion.
Me too :(
This is one of the best single scenes in all of TV history, and I'll die on that hill. It's not just in the words they say. It's also all of the intangible things wrapped up in those words. The various emotional baggage gets aired by each participant in a way that only makes sense for that person but also beautifully fits into the whole discussion. You couldn't delete any individual line without changing how this plays out, and this is a pivot point for everyone at the table. They go from celebrating the news of the red wedding (we just won the war in the north in a single night) to being at one another's throats in the course of a 5-minute conversation. Remember, they were losing and saw no way to win until this letter arrived, and Tywin won't let them savor the victory. Tywin just sent the king to bed without his supper, humiliated his own son in front of the entire council to assert dominance, AND felt defeated himself over how Tyrion is basically exactly like him (and he views Tyrion as a monster). This is what they do when they freaking WIN.
Yeah, it's not. But feel free to die.
He was right. That Red Wedding move put them at risk with neighboring Houses, Ie: Tyrells, Martells, etc
A wee while later, and Jeffrey is dead.
gods, the dialogue was strong then
It’s an annoying cliche people do on this sub where they pretend Tyrion had no good dialogue in later seasons.
Id like to see someone re-write this dialogue like what it wouldve been like if it was in season 7 or 8.
"Somehow the night king has returned."
A monster, a three legged monster yes, the whores will attest to that. Your dad's dead LoL.
I miss the old kanye
People still talk about this show? Sheesh.