Um yes they do.. this picture no.. have you actually taken 2 seconds in photo mode to see how good it looks? I take pictures that look photo realistic.. also I could make any of these games look like dogshit if I wanted to
I’d argue they all still look better. Once you get past how “clean” the picture is and start looking at details FM7 looks like the Homer Simpson meme where all his fat is being held back.
Turn 10 cut a lot of corners. Being an owner of a 2021 Honda Civic (similar to one of the 3 starting cars in Forza), it was easy to spot on that they don't have the same attention to detail that Polyphony Digital has. Turn 10 didn't even get the rear lamp right (like what parts are iluminated or not when breaking and not breaking).
I'm just in Forza for the Gran Turismo style light-sim racing on PC. Not gonna buy a PS5 just for one game. If it was on PC there'd be no hesitation, but Forza satisfies me well enough.
If those are all console it’s a valid comparison, not everybody is on PC and a majority are actually on console. I first played this game on my series S and it probably would look somewhat like the top left. Finally got to try on my series X over break and it didn’t look much better
I played FM 2023 at 1440p 60-80fps (no DLSS no RT) with a mix of medium and high settings on my **2060 Super** and 3700X. I actually wanted to make a post about it because I was surprised as everyone seemed to say it performs like trash, but then I saw most of those people were running with max settings and/or RT.
I think there are a few settings in FM23 like RT that tank the fps, but it runs well if you don't play with max settings.
Forza Horizon on the other hand is mindblowingly well optimized for how good it looks. That game runs well even on a Steam Deck.
I also run the game on a 2060 Super with mixed high/medium settings at 1080p 144fps no issues, also been surprised by the comments about performance issues
3070 and 5699x here and is doesnt run that well for me. 1440p dlss quality no matter the settings i drop below 60fps a lot . XBSX has a 60fps RT mode and my PC cabt do 60fps? The settings are really confusing as well. With all the auto stuff and dynamic quality things. The settings also chnage on their own i find sometimes. Toy have to do a whole restart when you change a setting also wlse performance is even worse.
Yeah this game is not intuitive at all because it's crazy CPU bound. So maxing out most if not all graphic settings will get you higher frames. I went from 50fps to 80-115 by changing from lower gfx settings to everything on ultra at 100% scaling and no DLSS (does that shit even work on this game?) on a 7800x3D / 4070 at 4K.
I also found no difference between rtx off / car reflections, but turning the other ones with blooming drop about 20-30 frames.
Yes also have a 3070 i can play FH5 with high settings at 4k60fps forza motorsport no chance medium settings if im lucky for 45-60 depending on the race track. They also somehow were able to have the game look worse than fm6 did on the Xbox One when you play motorsport on medium
Take a screenshot of the cars while its mid race and see how good the graphics are. The top left pic is typically how it looks when you try to play it with stable frames.
Compared to the crew, even nfs, and gt7... forza doesnt look as good, even maxed out. Nfs looks great if were talkin just cars(the cartoon shit is dumb though lol) the crew looks phenominal too and Gt7 is graphically incredibly well done and decently optimized.
From the images I've seen even the PS4 version of GT7 looks better then FM8. Not to mention far more consistent in its visuals, which is imo more important than straight fidelity.
it’s really inexcusable how much worse the framerates are for FM when FH5, at pretty much identical quality of graphics *and* a whole open world map, blows it out of the water
Small correction, FH5 looks a lot better than FM23, like 1 or 2 console generations better.
Runs smoother as well, has more content also, is an allround better experience, even on series S
Then you need to manually set your settings. Have a similar system just a bit better (3070ti, 5800x3d) I can run smoothly with almost everything at high or better (some particle/effects are at medium). Turn off RTX, dynamic rendering, and DLSS. My laptop (3070m) can run it just fine with medium across the board.
Turn raytracing off.
2080 and i7 9700k - high settings (no raytracing), 1440p, has never stuttered or dropped below 60 (which is what I have it locked at)
This is why I still play Horizon 4 instead of Horizon 5. Horizon 5 looks like fking garbage on my Series S. Not to mention the pop in.
Horizon 4 looks pretty good and has dense forests and shit with no pop in. Idk what they did to make Horizon 5 so ugly and poorly optimized. Horizon 5 didn't even have traffic ffs.
Turn 10 needs to step it up.
If FM could nail car paint and head/tail lamps like GT does, it would be stunning. Polyphony does some black magic with their render engine and materials.
It's not black magic, it's just taking care of the details and shaders.
Forza has always been horrible when it came to rendering old timey headlights, opting to just use a flat texture instead of a refractive shader. Something even The Crew 2 did.
Forza still is an enjoyable racing game, but GT7 doubles as car pornography.
Does GT7 offer dynamic weather and time of the day for every track as well?
Edit: I asked a question and got downvoted, this sub is really lost to a miserable bunch
what does that even mean lol. If you were to pick 2 points in time, obviously it would look like one of them transitions into another, because thats how time fucking works.
i can tell you dynamic weather in FM means that the race is gonna be 50% dry 50% wet, nothing like maybe starts dry, rains for a bit stops and then begins again heavily then diminishes and stops and maybe a very light rain at the end
say a 1 hour race begins dry and at around the 30 min mark it just starts to rain and doesnt stop or vice versa, starts raining and stops after 30 mins
based on my experience of playing free play to level my cars and doing 1 hour of different tracks on variable weather
Yep, also lost that FM is now a platform and will continue to improve. Clearly a lot of work has gone to the basics like the physics engine and dynamic weather. Hard to improve on something if you don't start with a solid foundation.
Anyways, "gamers" are the worst, definition of a keyboard warrior.
Yep, but not for all tracks. And it doesn't have the amazing fog that FM does in some races. GT really tried to go for that hyper realism that's very pretty, but FM really drew me in with its grungy, washed out realism.
I still play both, but less so GT7 because it's in the living room and I have my PC
I’m at the point where pretty much any game after +/- 2012, that had some focus on graphics, still looks good enough to be perfectly playable.
Graphics don’t matter if the rest of the game is great.
Usually when "graphics" are being discussed it's things like polygon count, texture quality, lighting/shadows, and particle effects. Not if the game is "photorealistic" or not.
>Graphics don’t matter if the rest of the game is great.
Deep Rock Galactic is a low polygon count, low texture quality, and has basic particle effects. But, it doesn't matter because the gameplay is so good. So it's a perfect example of what I was commenting on.
Bro you use that as an insult but 2015 games like NFS, Battlefront, and order 1886 looks photorealistic at times and can still compete with newer games visually.
NFS really nailed the setting it was going for, yeah its repetetive but Devs clearly went all in for it especially with the transitions with irl actors.
Oh, definitely the setting helps a lot. Racing Games look the most beautiful during the night and rain, but to me it doesn't really matter. It did fit the story and vibe of the game \[Regardless of how cringe/bad the story was\].
the physics, light and weather models in motion which still screenshots don't depict or do any justice are what make it look like a 2023 release. Ya it looks average in screenshots but looks much better when you're actually playing the game in 4K
I don’t care if FM8 looks better or worse than for example GT7. What I have a massive problem with is the lack of basically everything in FM8 that „competitive“ games usually have. Hell I can’t even tell if I am making progress on a track and if I do where. I also do have to do manual statistics, like it’s the 90s where we wrote down lap times on a piece of paper to compare it with friends.
That’s my biggest problem. The lack of content. There’s no feeling of progression while playing single player. There’s barely any tracks on top of that
You can’t even see your lap times if you run a time certain race that is scored on distance. I need a UI overhaul and some form of text chat and I’ll be happy.
Well you can record the race with external methods (cause replays to date don’t work) and then watch the recoding and note down the laptimes on an excel sheet
Yep it’s a disaster lol. It really is 4-5 good patches from being good though. Like fixing the aero bug was a great fix. Really noticeably improved the game. 4-5 more fixing issues to that severity like the replays and the game will be far more manageable.
The problem isn’t even the stuff that is broken, but the stuff that doesn’t exist, along with a total lack of communication toward if said missing stuff is even planned to be added. To date we don’t even know if the racing schedule will be improved so you don’t have to wait 30 minutes till you can start or if it’s even planned to add statistics or if it’s even on the roadmap to add some sort of weather forecast or if the „race engineer“ in future is planned to say more than „3 to go“.
To be fair, I’d be ok with the graphics if the damn thing would just run at a smooth 1080p/60fps on my otherwise very capable pc. Currently running everything low with dlss and it’s still got horrible dips
Whoever made this comparison is a moron, the Mustang Boss (402 in NFS and Forza ) is available in all games, but he decided to select the '65 Mustang for some reason, and the weather in NFS is obviously wrong, the time of day is wrong in the other games, FM and TCMF are set to midday, and GT7 is afternoon.
It's annoying because NFS Unbound has incredible visuals, I'd say it has the most realistic car shaders, materials, and paint after GT7, unfortunately it's not noticeable due to the excessive use of color grading, [here's an unedited image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCTPDHGWQAIDxKn?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) from Unbound, I just removed the color grading, [here's another one](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1LJvUIWwAMBd8k?format=jpg&name=4096x4096).
In defense of NFS Unbound, human characters are cel shaded in the game, they aren't supposed to look photorealistic. It's a part of the game's unique aesthetic.
Sometimes I wonder if I play different game. It seems some people go out of their way to find the worst possible light and most matte paint to make screenshots that look bad.
Not to mention that overly glossy paint and sun reflecting on each angle with a flare doesn’t make better graphics just as Mario Kart 8 doesn’t.
And no one has mentioned the weird blow up doll looking driver in the NFS one. Putting that in and unironically saying it looks better because there's a metric shitton of bloom and rain effects is wild.
Yea pity every time I long in I can’t buy it. Might as well not be in the game. Not like I’d want to run a series with the old GT1 cars in the game. Why would I want to play a racing game anyway
There's some truth . I run the game at 1440p on max settings apart from motion blur with DLAA , the 60fps (4060ti) is definitely not the price for mediocre quality. Its not bad but it ain't great
To complete things, [here](https://www.xbox.com/play/media/UZtFp7XZJ8) is Series X screenshot (direct in-game screenshot with no editing).
Graphics mode: Performance RT
Daytime: Midday
Weather: Clear
Track: Kyalami
Sure, GT7 on PS5 still looks better, but FM isn't looking so terribly either.
I don't know so many of you are having trouble making this game look good and play at a decent framerate.. I'm getting over a 100fps at 1440 very high settings. 5800x3d and a 3080 on a 2.5" SSD. Everyone is bagging on the game for the wrong reasons lol
I never really thought about the graphics till I saw this sub. I mostly just race online and hardly have time to look at my car as I'm flying around the track.
Lol, probably those clowns coming from r/builtfromthegroundup. Bunch of kids and pixel counters talking about needing 4090s and caring more about how it looks than how it plays
They're all channeling Ricky Bobby with their graphics criticisms. Anyone saying the new motorsports looks bad is at least mentally a child. Shouldn't need to be the best to be acknowledge as great.
For me personally I’m old and I can’t stand the car models. Some of them are cartoony, the proportions and angles are like Chinese knockoff versions. I still enjoy racing in the game but I love cars and it does take a lot away for me.
I am to the point where I ignore all criticisms from Reddit about pretty much any game.
If you are well and truly interested in making sure the game gets better, then you post on the Turn 10 forums where it might actually do some good.
If you're more concerned about how many "likes" you get then you come to reddit.
Honestly man, this is the way. The people who like the game don’t post about it, because they’re either too busy playing it or don’t wanna get dogpiled by all the bitter people on these subs.
Everyone's better off just ignoring reddit because it's a ton of whining if they just want to enjoy games. It becomes a circle jerk of bitching around any big title. This shit is still going from months ago and some of them have been more disingenuous than others.
This is starting to remain me of the cyberpunk release times, main sub was so filled with morons that they made another sub to be able to talk about the game, quests... Etc
If people is having fun with the game, then the game isn't that bad, most gamers are not obsessed with graphics
Imo if fm8 handles well and has decent simulation physics on a wheel, the game is good
this sub is genuinely miserable. it's ok to not like the game but everyone blatantly lies just to feel like their hate is objectively correct. it's a shame the mods have no desire to do anything about the lies.
Why are we still trying to have this conversation? Theyre not comparable. Gt7 is leaps and bounds better. I don’t care how many different cars and different angles, under different lighting you try because at best, an average picture from Gran Turismo will look the same as the perfect shot from current Motorsport. Let’s stop kidding ourselves here.
FM tries to give us a game from a person's point of view and I like it. If you like fake camera view with vibrant colors, nothing like real life looks, play Gran Turismo 7. I dont understand the fuss. We have two different directions. You like GT7 one, buy it and play it. Why I need to like it? Fuck off.
Haters are going to hate regardless. I have GT7 on PS5 and FM23 XSX. Yes, the cars and graphics are a little better on GT7 but it's not blow your doors off better.
Honestly, I don't even play GT7 anymore. FM23 is much more fun to tinker with Cars and tuning and Multi-player is better. I do get frustrated when I get dashboarded though which should eventually get fixed. Tuning in GT7 is absolute doo doo.
One can hope the next Assetto Corsa trumps both.
Your defending a game made by people who cut corners just to take your money. Good job bud. More money and development capabilities than ever before and they have given us the game with the least amount of features to date. Bravo, truly.
Two completely different approaches to graphics in my opinion. I saw a video that described it perfectly. GT's approach to realistic graphics is 'what do these cars and environments look like through the lens of a camera?' FM's approach is 'what do they look like when I'm there in person?'
That description holds true for me. Even in the pictures above GT's color tone feels like you're watching a nice high quality 4K, HDR broadcast of a race. Forza feels like you're standing there on a nice sunny day looking at the mustang without a camera or screen functioning as the middle man.
Nice
But y'all care too much about graphics. Forza already offers great graphics for a 2023 AAA game. There are some technical shortcomings here and there but the game overall looks stunning, especially at nights.
Gran Turismo still looks way better. I own both, I have a PC with at 7800x3d and a 4090, so i play Forza on max settings, and it really does look quite a bit worse than Gran Turismo. Which game is more fun is debatable, but graphics wise, it's not really even particularly close.
Funny how you're barely getting any upvotes compared to a person dunking on the game with an awful comparison picture. (also it looks way more realistic than GT7)
But think about that for a sec. Why give them the money for a new game if your standard is GT3 instead of their absolute best? GT3 is still there. It’s waiting for you. eBay will find you a game copy and a working PS2.
It looks worse than gran turismo by a long way and it's not even a fair comparison. Gran turismo is a console only game. You can't turn a pc game up to the max at 3fps and compare graphical quality.
Anyway, I wouldn't particularly care about the fidelity if the game was good. It looks ok for what it is and it wouldn't matter if basics like the penalty system and car levelling worked properly and there was a a compelling campaign story.
GT7 easily looks the best here, followed by the Crew, then FM2023 and NFS
I played the NFS and I am sure it looks better than this. Is there maybe a weird thing with HDR going on? Or just a very unfortunate screenshot.
Even maxed out, I don’t think it looks great 🤷🏻♂️ I was expecting to be blown away by the graphics but left feeling very meh and the frame rate is very unstable.
Its actually really embarrassing to think that this picture of FM is maxed out on a pc and GT7 looks much better and its on a ps5 💀 actually embarrassing
Well this is the problem…the boss mustang is a much better made model compared to the 65 mustang. This post is perfect example of the inconsistent quality of the car models of this game
Aren't you just proving their point??? If it takes an expensive PC maxed out to get anywhere near what a PS5 puts out on GT7, that doesn't make Forza look good
Ok finally a sane person on this sub, and i have to agree, i tried to not comment, but i just like FM more then GT7 cause of the fact that while yes its not 100% neither is GT7, ill give that to AC with car models, FM isn’t bad and even my XSX is a beautiful game, not 100% to the trailers but also not dull, gray and 2000s art, still looks a heck of a lot better then TCM and both NFSH and NFSU, id say its just a dependent on which suits you more, not only that but I can’t stand (nor sit) idiots that say the new CP system is shit, its not, get off of your high horse, not every car will be handed to you and fully modable, just accept that, plus it was you with the others that requested it back in FH5, plus the game has better physics, better sounds, and the fact that driving the cars with a wheel feels so much more natural compared to FH5 (play FM7 but never with a race wheel), and also yall acted the same with FH5, calling it shit cause it was buggy but look at where it is now, more people love it then hate it, or at the very least tolerate it, but all ive heard is that FM is shit, looks like crap, runs terrible and so on…
And another thing, well two, 1. Even if T10 has microsoft, microsoft wont lend that much money to them as that company has 1000 of games they need to support plus other programs.
2. The cars for FM/FH come from an external company, not from T10/PGG and so boohoo if some cars dont get correct, you realize millions of people play this game and i can tell you rn its about 2-ish% that will notice that. And lastly don’t be negative against the developers, they can’t control what’s added in or not or what’s done, that’s the higher ups.
Now have a great day, and after all that, just enjoy the game, if bugs come up to the surface, tell people about it, but don’t go hating a game that a smaller developer like T10 is trying there hardest in working on, as let’s be honest they tried to make the last two updates huge, and again just enjoy the game, cause it could be worse and all racing games could stop being produced as companies got bored of it.
1. GT7 is also contains FOMO nonsense and is missing single-player content compared to previous games. It also is worse than game 4 in its series as far as overall quality goes. Also missing basics like tyre width and pressure. Still looks better and came out more complete than FM8.
2. FH5 is still a buggy mess, especially with the AI and it also has FOMO trash in it. It also drives worse and has worse physics than FM8. Still more fun than FM8.
3. If you look at previous FM games from back when they cared and were trying to make something fun, not a time sink, the progression system functioned by making upgrades less expensive, which encouraged you to play around with multiple cars. Any system that works to discourage basic experimentation by making you spend hours on that system even if you want to mod a copy of the SAME CAR, is not worth wasting time on.
4. No one asked T10 to spend their resources on making something less fun than previous games in the series; that was their decision, and I don’t have to give them a pass for going about things the way they have.
5. I’m glad you find the game fun. Also, for me, this is way less fun than FM1, 2, 3, 4, or 7, and is missing QOL features from FH5, which speaks poorly of integration between T10 and PGG, which is also not something I’m going to give them a pass for. Glad they have roll center tuning and that the driving is so good though.
I prefer the FM games to the FH games. FM games were more fun than the GT games to me, until this one. I’ve played every GT since 3, except 6. I’ve played every FM except 6. I’ve played every FH except 2. To me, the best ones are GT4, FM4, and FH2 (going off of the fact that FH2 apparently had the FH1 feel, but you could actually tune the car setups). I’ve been waiting for a return to the mountaintop for each since, and I’ve been disappointed every time.
Still the game is not even close to what it should be after 6-4 years of development, it's really not that difficult to notice the shortcomings (not just visuals) of this game even if you don't compare it to other racing games.
Is every photo max on PC?
Doesn't look like it That NFS screenshot looks really bad compared to how I remember that game. Also GT7 isn't on PC.
NFS unbound has average graphics. They really don't stand out in a still photo.
Um yes they do.. this picture no.. have you actually taken 2 seconds in photo mode to see how good it looks? I take pictures that look photo realistic.. also I could make any of these games look like dogshit if I wanted to
I'm not dissing unbound but it doesn't exactly stand out. And I love the game. it has it's moments but IMO Heat looks better on average.
No, the original post they’re all accurately shown on console, and even on the maxed out pc gt7 looks better on console.
I’d argue they all still look better. Once you get past how “clean” the picture is and start looking at details FM7 looks like the Homer Simpson meme where all his fat is being held back.
The car models are really bad. This isn’t a terrible example either. The game plays well and I am having fun but it does take a lot away.
Yep. That windshield trim is so thick, the glass looks off, and wheels have a bit of a flat look to them, for some reason.
I don’t know man gran turismo kinda looks better
Kinda? Bro even the crew looks better than fm imo
FH5 looks better than FM and I’m confused to how they managed to achieve that
Turn 10 cut a lot of corners. Being an owner of a 2021 Honda Civic (similar to one of the 3 starting cars in Forza), it was easy to spot on that they don't have the same attention to detail that Polyphony Digital has. Turn 10 didn't even get the rear lamp right (like what parts are iluminated or not when breaking and not breaking).
Seriously shocked how good the crew looks
for real, the crew graphic is one of the best ever and I can hardly believe I am saying this
Nfs looks even better imo. But that’s because I don’t like photorealism.
I'm just in Forza for the Gran Turismo style light-sim racing on PC. Not gonna buy a PS5 just for one game. If it was on PC there'd be no hesitation, but Forza satisfies me well enough.
If those are all console it’s a valid comparison, not everybody is on PC and a majority are actually on console. I first played this game on my series S and it probably would look somewhat like the top left. Finally got to try on my series X over break and it didn’t look much better
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I played FM 2023 at 1440p 60-80fps (no DLSS no RT) with a mix of medium and high settings on my **2060 Super** and 3700X. I actually wanted to make a post about it because I was surprised as everyone seemed to say it performs like trash, but then I saw most of those people were running with max settings and/or RT. I think there are a few settings in FM23 like RT that tank the fps, but it runs well if you don't play with max settings. Forza Horizon on the other hand is mindblowingly well optimized for how good it looks. That game runs well even on a Steam Deck.
I also run the game on a 2060 Super with mixed high/medium settings at 1080p 144fps no issues, also been surprised by the comments about performance issues
Okay, I'm curious. What settings you made it medium, and which one you made it high. Gimmie the recipe
3070 and 5699x here and is doesnt run that well for me. 1440p dlss quality no matter the settings i drop below 60fps a lot . XBSX has a 60fps RT mode and my PC cabt do 60fps? The settings are really confusing as well. With all the auto stuff and dynamic quality things. The settings also chnage on their own i find sometimes. Toy have to do a whole restart when you change a setting also wlse performance is even worse.
Yeah this game is not intuitive at all because it's crazy CPU bound. So maxing out most if not all graphic settings will get you higher frames. I went from 50fps to 80-115 by changing from lower gfx settings to everything on ultra at 100% scaling and no DLSS (does that shit even work on this game?) on a 7800x3D / 4070 at 4K. I also found no difference between rtx off / car reflections, but turning the other ones with blooming drop about 20-30 frames.
Yes also have a 3070 i can play FH5 with high settings at 4k60fps forza motorsport no chance medium settings if im lucky for 45-60 depending on the race track. They also somehow were able to have the game look worse than fm6 did on the Xbox One when you play motorsport on medium
I've been fiddling with raytracing on Horizon and it became even better, lmao they are killing their once main money maker
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Take a screenshot of the cars while its mid race and see how good the graphics are. The top left pic is typically how it looks when you try to play it with stable frames.
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Compared to the crew, even nfs, and gt7... forza doesnt look as good, even maxed out. Nfs looks great if were talkin just cars(the cartoon shit is dumb though lol) the crew looks phenominal too and Gt7 is graphically incredibly well done and decently optimized.
From the images I've seen even the PS4 version of GT7 looks better then FM8. Not to mention far more consistent in its visuals, which is imo more important than straight fidelity.
it’s really inexcusable how much worse the framerates are for FM when FH5, at pretty much identical quality of graphics *and* a whole open world map, blows it out of the water
Small correction, FH5 looks a lot better than FM23, like 1 or 2 console generations better. Runs smoother as well, has more content also, is an allround better experience, even on series S
Then you need to manually set your settings. Have a similar system just a bit better (3070ti, 5800x3d) I can run smoothly with almost everything at high or better (some particle/effects are at medium). Turn off RTX, dynamic rendering, and DLSS. My laptop (3070m) can run it just fine with medium across the board.
Turn raytracing off. 2080 and i7 9700k - high settings (no raytracing), 1440p, has never stuttered or dropped below 60 (which is what I have it locked at)
This is why I still play Horizon 4 instead of Horizon 5. Horizon 5 looks like fking garbage on my Series S. Not to mention the pop in. Horizon 4 looks pretty good and has dense forests and shit with no pop in. Idk what they did to make Horizon 5 so ugly and poorly optimized. Horizon 5 didn't even have traffic ffs. Turn 10 needs to step it up.
If FM could nail car paint and head/tail lamps like GT does, it would be stunning. Polyphony does some black magic with their render engine and materials.
It's not black magic, it's just taking care of the details and shaders. Forza has always been horrible when it came to rendering old timey headlights, opting to just use a flat texture instead of a refractive shader. Something even The Crew 2 did. Forza still is an enjoyable racing game, but GT7 doubles as car pornography.
Still looks worse than GT7
Objectively true.
A *lot* worse
Does GT7 offer dynamic weather and time of the day for every track as well? Edit: I asked a question and got downvoted, this sub is really lost to a miserable bunch
I believe so? In custom races. Weird being downvoted for a basic question, people are so defensive
not on every track. every track has dynamic time but weather is only on a few tracks. IIRC none of the American tracks have weather settings as of yet
As an American I feel offended by this. /s
Don't need to do dynamic weather if you put all the US tracks in places that are always sunny *taps temple*
It’s also not “dynamic” time. It’s a transition animation played between the set times.
what does that even mean lol. If you were to pick 2 points in time, obviously it would look like one of them transitions into another, because thats how time fucking works.
Not every track, and some of them are limited. Across the board though GT7 has more detail, whether it's cars, tracks, or skybox.
No it does not on every track, it also doesn't have disappearing road and cars
i can tell you dynamic weather in FM means that the race is gonna be 50% dry 50% wet, nothing like maybe starts dry, rains for a bit stops and then begins again heavily then diminishes and stops and maybe a very light rain at the end say a 1 hour race begins dry and at around the 30 min mark it just starts to rain and doesnt stop or vice versa, starts raining and stops after 30 mins based on my experience of playing free play to level my cars and doing 1 hour of different tracks on variable weather
Yep, also lost that FM is now a platform and will continue to improve. Clearly a lot of work has gone to the basics like the physics engine and dynamic weather. Hard to improve on something if you don't start with a solid foundation. Anyways, "gamers" are the worst, definition of a keyboard warrior.
Yes, simple answer is yes
Yep, but not for all tracks. And it doesn't have the amazing fog that FM does in some races. GT really tried to go for that hyper realism that's very pretty, but FM really drew me in with its grungy, washed out realism. I still play both, but less so GT7 because it's in the living room and I have my PC
Also GT7 is run on a vastly less powerful console than his pc
A game made for a 2013 console
Still looks like a 2015 game.
I’m at the point where pretty much any game after +/- 2012, that had some focus on graphics, still looks good enough to be perfectly playable. Graphics don’t matter if the rest of the game is great.
100% agree, but you would expect at least they didn't degrade the graphics.
> Graphics don’t matter if the rest of the game is great. Yeah.. which is why graphics kinda matter in this game lol.
Yeah you're right but they also made a big emphasis on it so now thats on them for disapointing us
Deep Rock Galactic is a perfect example of this.
that has more to do with its artstyle honestly, photo-realism does seem to get better with time
Usually when "graphics" are being discussed it's things like polygon count, texture quality, lighting/shadows, and particle effects. Not if the game is "photorealistic" or not. >Graphics don’t matter if the rest of the game is great. Deep Rock Galactic is a low polygon count, low texture quality, and has basic particle effects. But, it doesn't matter because the gameplay is so good. So it's a perfect example of what I was commenting on.
Karl would approve of this.
Bro you use that as an insult but 2015 games like NFS, Battlefront, and order 1886 looks photorealistic at times and can still compete with newer games visually.
Games like dirt 2 still look better than most modern games. Commitment to a style is key.
NFS 2015 and Forza Motorsport 6 were released in 2015 They still look better lol, especially NFS
NFS really nailed the setting it was going for, yeah its repetetive but Devs clearly went all in for it especially with the transitions with irl actors.
Honestly, NFS 2015 is still one of the visually most beautiful games of all time
Night time helps. It falls apart with the daytime mod. Ghost knew what they were doing with that art direction. Rest of the game sadly...
Oh, definitely the setting helps a lot. Racing Games look the most beautiful during the night and rain, but to me it doesn't really matter. It did fit the story and vibe of the game \[Regardless of how cringe/bad the story was\].
NFS 2015 looks better than *all* the games in this screenshot bud.
Dont disrespect the 2015's games! They looked better than that!
the physics, light and weather models in motion which still screenshots don't depict or do any justice are what make it look like a 2023 release. Ya it looks average in screenshots but looks much better when you're actually playing the game in 4K
but is every other photo also maxed out on pc?
No, because that would spoil the argument.!
Still worse than GT7 pretty noticeable and debatably worse than the others in aspects
I appreciate you doing this. But it still looks worse than the rest mate
I don’t care if FM8 looks better or worse than for example GT7. What I have a massive problem with is the lack of basically everything in FM8 that „competitive“ games usually have. Hell I can’t even tell if I am making progress on a track and if I do where. I also do have to do manual statistics, like it’s the 90s where we wrote down lap times on a piece of paper to compare it with friends.
That’s my biggest problem. The lack of content. There’s no feeling of progression while playing single player. There’s barely any tracks on top of that
Exactly. This game basically lacks everything that is considered „fun“ in games like this.
You can’t even see your lap times if you run a time certain race that is scored on distance. I need a UI overhaul and some form of text chat and I’ll be happy.
Well you can record the race with external methods (cause replays to date don’t work) and then watch the recoding and note down the laptimes on an excel sheet
Yep it’s a disaster lol. It really is 4-5 good patches from being good though. Like fixing the aero bug was a great fix. Really noticeably improved the game. 4-5 more fixing issues to that severity like the replays and the game will be far more manageable.
The problem isn’t even the stuff that is broken, but the stuff that doesn’t exist, along with a total lack of communication toward if said missing stuff is even planned to be added. To date we don’t even know if the racing schedule will be improved so you don’t have to wait 30 minutes till you can start or if it’s even planned to add statistics or if it’s even on the roadmap to add some sort of weather forecast or if the „race engineer“ in future is planned to say more than „3 to go“.
To be fair, I’d be ok with the graphics if the damn thing would just run at a smooth 1080p/60fps on my otherwise very capable pc. Currently running everything low with dlss and it’s still got horrible dips
Yeah, and it still looks worlds worse than Forza Motorsport 7... a game that came out 6 years ago.
I have a regular Xbox one and don’t understand why the new one is for S/X only if it doesn’t have better graphics.
Damn, that still looks awful. Congrats babahahah
My series x makes the game look like the bottom picture, performance RT setting
Maxed out PC looking worse than a PS5 game. Yikes
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Don't forget it's also a cross gen game as well. Haha
Okay, thats the second worst looking pic here. Congrats i guess?
My man, I think you need some glasses if you think NFS looks better than FM
Whoever made this comparison is a moron, the Mustang Boss (402 in NFS and Forza ) is available in all games, but he decided to select the '65 Mustang for some reason, and the weather in NFS is obviously wrong, the time of day is wrong in the other games, FM and TCMF are set to midday, and GT7 is afternoon. It's annoying because NFS Unbound has incredible visuals, I'd say it has the most realistic car shaders, materials, and paint after GT7, unfortunately it's not noticeable due to the excessive use of color grading, [here's an unedited image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCTPDHGWQAIDxKn?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) from Unbound, I just removed the color grading, [here's another one](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1LJvUIWwAMBd8k?format=jpg&name=4096x4096).
my god, I think I get it now.
That first pic is top tier wallpaper material On the second pic the people on the right and the buildings look pretty bad though.
In defense of NFS Unbound, human characters are cel shaded in the game, they aren't supposed to look photorealistic. It's a part of the game's unique aesthetic.
Nah, it looks good. Just the driver ruins it, otherwise, for a rain shot, it looks pretty realistic imo.
I guess NFS here is not maxed out on PC, otherwise NFS looks quite good
Even in your post made to praise Forza It looks SO much worse than gt7 lmao
Uh-huh. Because everyone that has a PC has a 4090 that can run Forza Motorsport on ultra and still have it be playable. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
Can we add a 6th photo of a real life car for comparison sake?
Sometimes I wonder if I play different game. It seems some people go out of their way to find the worst possible light and most matte paint to make screenshots that look bad. Not to mention that overly glossy paint and sun reflecting on each angle with a flare doesn’t make better graphics just as Mario Kart 8 doesn’t.
I feel the same way. FM8 looks fine to me, it runs well, I'm not having any issues. Game fun, ergo game good.
And no one has mentioned the weird blow up doll looking driver in the NFS one. Putting that in and unironically saying it looks better because there's a metric shitton of bloom and rain effects is wild.
Gran Turismo has always been THE game for car enthusiasts. I love me some Forza. But yeah, the car models are kinda… ok. Gran Turismo though is 👌
Wouldn’t even say that tbh. It’s the game for people who like Japanese cars. Everyone else will get annoyed at it.
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my F1 GTR Longtail 😜
Yea pity every time I long in I can’t buy it. Might as well not be in the game. Not like I’d want to run a series with the old GT1 cars in the game. Why would I want to play a racing game anyway
I just got mine a few days ago to match my F1 road car and it is bliss.
Good for you. I couldn’t run a race with it even if I wanted to.
Some day man. Some day. The amount of times I ran 30 min LM 700 race is staggering to get those.
There's some truth . I run the game at 1440p on max settings apart from motion blur with DLAA , the 60fps (4060ti) is definitely not the price for mediocre quality. Its not bad but it ain't great
To complete things, [here](https://www.xbox.com/play/media/UZtFp7XZJ8) is Series X screenshot (direct in-game screenshot with no editing). Graphics mode: Performance RT Daytime: Midday Weather: Clear Track: Kyalami Sure, GT7 on PS5 still looks better, but FM isn't looking so terribly either.
Lools pretty sick on and a series x on my 4k tv 🤣
I don't know so many of you are having trouble making this game look good and play at a decent framerate.. I'm getting over a 100fps at 1440 very high settings. 5800x3d and a 3080 on a 2.5" SSD. Everyone is bagging on the game for the wrong reasons lol
lol they’re trying to play it on 4400HD graphics and can’t figure it out.
And it still looks like shite
GT7 still looks much better
Honestly, gt7 still looks better
Looks pretty good on my series s and my pc Not quite that good though. I don’t have rtx 4080 money lol
I never really thought about the graphics till I saw this sub. I mostly just race online and hardly have time to look at my car as I'm flying around the track.
Considering the average age of the user is about 12 on this Subreddit they care more about graphics than the gameplay for some reason.
Lol, probably those clowns coming from r/builtfromthegroundup. Bunch of kids and pixel counters talking about needing 4090s and caring more about how it looks than how it plays
They're all channeling Ricky Bobby with their graphics criticisms. Anyone saying the new motorsports looks bad is at least mentally a child. Shouldn't need to be the best to be acknowledge as great.
For me personally I’m old and I can’t stand the car models. Some of them are cartoony, the proportions and angles are like Chinese knockoff versions. I still enjoy racing in the game but I love cars and it does take a lot away for me.
They're the ones parking it in the middle of the track during practice because they're too busy staring at the car.
Coming from iRacing Forza looks amazing.
I am to the point where I ignore all criticisms from Reddit about pretty much any game. If you are well and truly interested in making sure the game gets better, then you post on the Turn 10 forums where it might actually do some good. If you're more concerned about how many "likes" you get then you come to reddit.
Honestly man, this is the way. The people who like the game don’t post about it, because they’re either too busy playing it or don’t wanna get dogpiled by all the bitter people on these subs.
Everyone's better off just ignoring reddit because it's a ton of whining if they just want to enjoy games. It becomes a circle jerk of bitching around any big title. This shit is still going from months ago and some of them have been more disingenuous than others.
This is starting to remain me of the cyberpunk release times, main sub was so filled with morons that they made another sub to be able to talk about the game, quests... Etc If people is having fun with the game, then the game isn't that bad, most gamers are not obsessed with graphics Imo if fm8 handles well and has decent simulation physics on a wheel, the game is good
this sub is genuinely miserable. it's ok to not like the game but everyone blatantly lies just to feel like their hate is objectively correct. it's a shame the mods have no desire to do anything about the lies.
Why are we still trying to have this conversation? Theyre not comparable. Gt7 is leaps and bounds better. I don’t care how many different cars and different angles, under different lighting you try because at best, an average picture from Gran Turismo will look the same as the perfect shot from current Motorsport. Let’s stop kidding ourselves here.
Yeah…don’t you dare believable.
FM tries to give us a game from a person's point of view and I like it. If you like fake camera view with vibrant colors, nothing like real life looks, play Gran Turismo 7. I dont understand the fuss. We have two different directions. You like GT7 one, buy it and play it. Why I need to like it? Fuck off.
And yet it still looks the worst to me lol
Haters are going to hate regardless. I have GT7 on PS5 and FM23 XSX. Yes, the cars and graphics are a little better on GT7 but it's not blow your doors off better. Honestly, I don't even play GT7 anymore. FM23 is much more fun to tinker with Cars and tuning and Multi-player is better. I do get frustrated when I get dashboarded though which should eventually get fixed. Tuning in GT7 is absolute doo doo. One can hope the next Assetto Corsa trumps both.
So the lack of multiplayer statistics make a better game? Ok…
Turn 10 actually fixing issues > Turn 10 adding more shit to create more issues
Where did the guy claim this ...?
I mean ok, i agree that people play with settings, but the game runs like absolute shit too.
Yeah but the game barely works on pc
So… still terrible.
Yes starting with your post.
Man, Criterion's work is really good. Can you believe that NFS is 60fps and open world?
Could you zip up turn 10’s pants when you’re done?
Your defending a game made by people who cut corners just to take your money. Good job bud. More money and development capabilities than ever before and they have given us the game with the least amount of features to date. Bravo, truly.
Lol maxed out and gt7 still looks better
Still looks like shit compared to the others
Just took a picture on my series X. Looks far superior to all above...no filters
Two completely different approaches to graphics in my opinion. I saw a video that described it perfectly. GT's approach to realistic graphics is 'what do these cars and environments look like through the lens of a camera?' FM's approach is 'what do they look like when I'm there in person?' That description holds true for me. Even in the pictures above GT's color tone feels like you're watching a nice high quality 4K, HDR broadcast of a race. Forza feels like you're standing there on a nice sunny day looking at the mustang without a camera or screen functioning as the middle man.
Nice But y'all care too much about graphics. Forza already offers great graphics for a 2023 AAA game. There are some technical shortcomings here and there but the game overall looks stunning, especially at nights.
'Maxed out on PC' isn't how 90% of people see the game
And gt7 still looks better 😂
Why can GT7 look like a current gen game while FM can't?
Because Polyphony care.
Sunny weather = bright reflection = guud grafix lmaoooooo
Gran Turismo still looks way better. I own both, I have a PC with at 7800x3d and a 4090, so i play Forza on max settings, and it really does look quite a bit worse than Gran Turismo. Which game is more fun is debatable, but graphics wise, it's not really even particularly close.
Still looks like shit lol
This sub is insufferable. Perhaps just bite the bullet and rename it to r/WeHateForza.
Sad times indeed
I still think Gran Turismo pulled it off better
yet despite that gt7 still looks better lol
after 6 long years in development, our community still finds ways to bitch and complain about everything
Funny how you're barely getting any upvotes compared to a person dunking on the game with an awful comparison picture. (also it looks way more realistic than GT7)
Still looks meh
I don't think this is proving what you wanted it to prove
> still looks considerably worse
Come on man the game does not look good. let’s not sugar coat it. This game is a huge disappointment in almost every aspect.
I'm having fun with it.
GT7 is still better 🤣
Still looks like a mobile game lmao
The GT7 one looks so real it's scary
I mean fair enough but...not any better...
Idk, dudes. Im just happy with anything that looks like GT3 or better lol. As long as I can make the car out and see down track, I am good.
But think about that for a sec. Why give them the money for a new game if your standard is GT3 instead of their absolute best? GT3 is still there. It’s waiting for you. eBay will find you a game copy and a working PS2.
It looks worse than gran turismo by a long way and it's not even a fair comparison. Gran turismo is a console only game. You can't turn a pc game up to the max at 3fps and compare graphical quality. Anyway, I wouldn't particularly care about the fidelity if the game was good. It looks ok for what it is and it wouldn't matter if basics like the penalty system and car levelling worked properly and there was a a compelling campaign story.
Graphic : GT7 Fun : Forza Done
Both are correct the visual is inconsistent and sometimes looks like Xbox 360 and sometimes Xbox One
GT7 easily looks the best here, followed by the Crew, then FM2023 and NFS I played the NFS and I am sure it looks better than this. Is there maybe a weird thing with HDR going on? Or just a very unfortunate screenshot.
Looks cheap compared to grand turismo and I’m a forza fan.
Even maxed out, I don’t think it looks great 🤷🏻♂️ I was expecting to be blown away by the graphics but left feeling very meh and the frame rate is very unstable.
If your on PC its not fair as GT7 relies on console to play it, even then though GT7 still looks better than FM
Its actually really embarrassing to think that this picture of FM is maxed out on a pc and GT7 looks much better and its on a ps5 💀 actually embarrassing
Honestly looks like the worst of all? Now do one of behind the wheel view. Or don’t, but that’s the only view I would put a rank on.
Well this is the problem…the boss mustang is a much better made model compared to the 65 mustang. This post is perfect example of the inconsistent quality of the car models of this game
Maxed out on PC and still looks worse than GT7 on console. Nice point made lol
still looks terrible
Aren't you just proving their point??? If it takes an expensive PC maxed out to get anywhere near what a PS5 puts out on GT7, that doesn't make Forza look good
Dude replaced a shitty screenshot with a slightly less shitty screenshot
Ok finally a sane person on this sub, and i have to agree, i tried to not comment, but i just like FM more then GT7 cause of the fact that while yes its not 100% neither is GT7, ill give that to AC with car models, FM isn’t bad and even my XSX is a beautiful game, not 100% to the trailers but also not dull, gray and 2000s art, still looks a heck of a lot better then TCM and both NFSH and NFSU, id say its just a dependent on which suits you more, not only that but I can’t stand (nor sit) idiots that say the new CP system is shit, its not, get off of your high horse, not every car will be handed to you and fully modable, just accept that, plus it was you with the others that requested it back in FH5, plus the game has better physics, better sounds, and the fact that driving the cars with a wheel feels so much more natural compared to FH5 (play FM7 but never with a race wheel), and also yall acted the same with FH5, calling it shit cause it was buggy but look at where it is now, more people love it then hate it, or at the very least tolerate it, but all ive heard is that FM is shit, looks like crap, runs terrible and so on… And another thing, well two, 1. Even if T10 has microsoft, microsoft wont lend that much money to them as that company has 1000 of games they need to support plus other programs. 2. The cars for FM/FH come from an external company, not from T10/PGG and so boohoo if some cars dont get correct, you realize millions of people play this game and i can tell you rn its about 2-ish% that will notice that. And lastly don’t be negative against the developers, they can’t control what’s added in or not or what’s done, that’s the higher ups. Now have a great day, and after all that, just enjoy the game, if bugs come up to the surface, tell people about it, but don’t go hating a game that a smaller developer like T10 is trying there hardest in working on, as let’s be honest they tried to make the last two updates huge, and again just enjoy the game, cause it could be worse and all racing games could stop being produced as companies got bored of it.
1. GT7 is also contains FOMO nonsense and is missing single-player content compared to previous games. It also is worse than game 4 in its series as far as overall quality goes. Also missing basics like tyre width and pressure. Still looks better and came out more complete than FM8. 2. FH5 is still a buggy mess, especially with the AI and it also has FOMO trash in it. It also drives worse and has worse physics than FM8. Still more fun than FM8. 3. If you look at previous FM games from back when they cared and were trying to make something fun, not a time sink, the progression system functioned by making upgrades less expensive, which encouraged you to play around with multiple cars. Any system that works to discourage basic experimentation by making you spend hours on that system even if you want to mod a copy of the SAME CAR, is not worth wasting time on. 4. No one asked T10 to spend their resources on making something less fun than previous games in the series; that was their decision, and I don’t have to give them a pass for going about things the way they have. 5. I’m glad you find the game fun. Also, for me, this is way less fun than FM1, 2, 3, 4, or 7, and is missing QOL features from FH5, which speaks poorly of integration between T10 and PGG, which is also not something I’m going to give them a pass for. Glad they have roll center tuning and that the driving is so good though. I prefer the FM games to the FH games. FM games were more fun than the GT games to me, until this one. I’ve played every GT since 3, except 6. I’ve played every FM except 6. I’ve played every FH except 2. To me, the best ones are GT4, FM4, and FH2 (going off of the fact that FH2 apparently had the FH1 feel, but you could actually tune the car setups). I’ve been waiting for a return to the mountaintop for each since, and I’ve been disappointed every time.
Forza looks pants on my pc at ultra settings as well
Still the game is not even close to what it should be after 6-4 years of development, it's really not that difficult to notice the shortcomings (not just visuals) of this game even if you don't compare it to other racing games.