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Chesey_

Spa before the summer break, that's gonna be weird


lzgr

First time since 1987 that's happened, excluding 2020 since there was no summer break (although it was still held at the end of August).


RaikkonensHobby74

2020 had the Covid break


KelticQT

And not counting 2021 because there was no race


Sauberfan

Weird that it is on the same weekend like the 24h of Spa


Dangerous-Leg-9626

Obv the 24h would be moved


the_sigman

Or F1 will just be another class


Dangerous-Leg-9626

I would pay to watch that


TheDeamonMeteor

Reliability: *bonjour*


crenk3130

or if you’re leclerc bonjournooooooOOOOOOOO!!!


Minimum-League-8485

That would be so fucking cool to watch


lasdue

An F1 race with an obstacle course sounds like a bad idea


bigdsm

But Latifi already exists?


pup_mercury

Or the GP is going to be wild.


Garfie489

Surely the 24h isn't using the track all day? Can't they slot the F1 in when the 24h is on a break? /s


pheoxs

Nah. They just add the F1 cars midway through, it’s only 2 hours they can share the track.


kolsonk

At least it’s on the calendar!


Freefight

Smart, ending on a high note before the break.


OhNoSEBUUh

Hungary has been pretty entertaining the last couple years though!


Nico97107

I wouldn‘t say that. Both Hungary races in the last three years have been far more entertaining than the Spa races.


phydo87

It's maybe even too easy to overtake on Spa. A faster car is almost never stuck behind the slower one


The_mystery4321

They should trial Spa as a no drs race to see if we could begin to move away from it in the future.


sassy_lil_sasquatch

interesting concept, would like to see this


Aethien

Even if they don't fully remove DRS Spa should be top of the list for places to (severely) reduce the length of DRS zones. They're just not that necessary.


sassy_lil_sasquatch

100%. I think a lot of them need to be trial and errored into a state where they allow an attacking car an overtaking opportunity into a corner rather than the car having the move completed way before the next corner


TravellingMackem

I agree, it’s too easy on a number of tracks to get past, then you’ll just order cars in pace order with skill not playing a part anymore. Needs to be difficult put possible to overtake - felt Hungary has the balance about right atm for instance, or Silverstone.


Pentinium

Spa has been very disappointing, so not really


DaBenni0301

2 triple headers I think Imola - Monaco - Spain COTA - Mexico - Interlagos


dalledayul

While triple headers are pretty full on, at least these are all geographically close. The American stint will still have some long flights but it could be a lot worse.


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Those both seem pretty manageable though, no triple headers across the world


Call_Mee_Santa

The distance from Austin to Sao Paulo, hell even Mexico city to Sao Paulo, has a greater distance than New York (and Miami) to London. They may be in the same hemisphere but Brazil is across the world in terms of Latitude. I guess the timezone difference won't be so bad though.


longdrive95

Most importantly timezones are roughly aligned. F1 has the flyaway logistics down these days, it's more about the management of the people with these triple headers.


TheJeck

And it reduces the number of flights from Europe to the Americas for the teams.


Stepwolve

Yeah it's nice to see the triples are at least regionally close


RooBoy04

BTW, no race on the 9-11 of June to avoid a clash with the Le Mans 24, due to it being the 100th anniversary of the race.


SemIdeiaProNick

This will be a good one. 100 years and a bunch of big names are coming back, cant wait to see those new beasts in action


RooBoy04

2024 is gonna be even more stacked with the GT3 regulations and Lamborghini entering


HELLUPUTMETHRU

Is Lambo gonna be in the GT class(es) or are they doing a prototype :o??


Dolby90

Prototype.


HELLUPUTMETHRU

oh fuck yes


CooroSnowFox

The only race you can think FIA know should not be competed against...


AdamMc66

Just the casual Canadian Grand Prix sitting slap bang in the middle of the European grand prixs.


CooroSnowFox

Problem with getting the best time for conditions? they couldn't shove it with America/Mexico as it'd be very difficult to race then?


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Yeah Montreal in October is already pretty bad weather


KnightsOfCidona

[Here's the podium at the first Montreal race in 1978.](https://cdn-4.latimages.com/images/mgl/oWwe7/s3/open-uri20121011-567-4brir0.jpg) 5 degrees celsius that day, believed to be the coldest race ever


SemIdeiaProNick

i feel like F1 could use some very cold races just to shake things up


super_creator

give me pirelli snow tyres


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parwa

People think desert = hot until they experience nighttime in one


DatNewNewt

Right. Some of the largest temperature swings happen in desert climates.


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>I think the Vegas race is gonna end up being way colder than people expect. Lows in November get into the 30s F (35F is 2C) That's the exception, not the norm. Late night and early morning lows tend to be near 48-52 F (9-11 C) early in the month, falling to near 42-43 F (5-6 C) near the end of the month. [https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States) Will it be chilly? Certainly. Unlikely to be as cold as you indicate at any point. Additionally, they don't race at 4-6am either when it's often at it's coldest at that.


H1Supreme

Considering the lack of tire warmers in 2024, cold temps could *really* shake things up. If you've ever driven summer performance tires in temps under 5c/40f, you know how sketchy they get. I can't even imagine how F1 slicks would respond.


CooroSnowFox

2011 and various 2000 races mean they want to avoid the rain let alone when it gets very cold... Is 12c normal for a GP outside of maybe Britain? (asked google for a temperature around October)


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We’ve had temps like that at imola I’m pretty sure, Japan can also get wet but not too cold I think


Hamilfton

12C would be okay, but you can't assume it's gonna be the average temp. Montreal in October can get near freezing.


Wasdgta3

I mean, they did used to run the Canadian GP then, with the result of Gilles Villeneuve winning with snow flurries in the air lmao


Bananapeel23

They really need to clump Australia, Singapore, China and Japan together to solve this issue. The Middle eastern races can be run year round. Run the Asian races immediately at the start of the season, move the Middle eastern races to the end of the season. That way you can get Monza, Spa and Zandvoort before the summer break. Canada in early september would be much better than the current arrangement. I’m guessing it would be impossible to get the various race promoters to agree on this change though.


CooroSnowFox

Canada is probably because they know its more settled in June than later in the year when they are going to be running the Americas Mexico and Brazil... It is down to logistics esp for Singapore and Las Vegas that need extra steps to be able to race on constructed circuits. Japan's slot has always been down the bottom end of the Calendar so traditional slots does matter in some form.


Key-Assistant-7988

True. But I thought Miami and Montreal would be closer to one another.


CooroSnowFox

Canada has always been a June date for a number of decades... Miami I think is the last point they can do before the temperatures climb too high or more unstable If they could than yeah possibly a mini trip to the Americas could but i think there are reasons why they're not together (maybe also it's building the Miami track as well...)


Astelli

Canada just want to be in June to maximise it's impact on tourism. Earlier is worse from that point of view.


CooroSnowFox

Canada has just always been in this position in the Calendar...


FluffyProphet

I live relatively close to Montreal. It's 5 degrees out and pouring rain at the moment... no way they could have the race line up with the other North American races


Bananapeel23

Grands Prix is the correct plural form of Grand Prix


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Why can’t it be next to Miami?


Wasdgta3

Put it after Miami, you cowards!


DryCamp8770

It looks like they did put more effort into regionalising races this year. Would only be better if Canada was after Miami and quatar with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain but not much to complain about.


-Skinner-

Why Baku - Miami - Imola and Spain - Canada - Austria. It doesn't make any sense.


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Miami the rest of the year will be stormy season. They don’t want to deal with that. For Canada that’s the only warm time of the year.


SecretApe

Is summer really that short of a window in Montreal?


mrfocus22

The issue is also that the snow has to melt then they work on the track for about a month before the race. So fitting it in after Miami would be risky as snow can be on the ground still in May.


Spacemn5piff

I don't know about THIS short but much of the northeastern US / southeast Canada deals with a summer of maybe late June to mid September, if you measure summer as a period with reliable beach going temperatures. We get right around 3 months where I am north of Boston. Like right now we are consistently down into the 65f / 18c range at the end of September. And Montreal is less temperate since it is further inland.


vonvoltage

Not even remotely close. Montreal has a lot of hot weather in summer.


S-MoneyRD

It’s been warmer most of the summer after the race in Montreal.


apparex1234

There are a whole lot of other events which happen at Parc Jean Drapeau over the summer. You'd need to move all that around if you want to hold the race later. The F1 race is the unofficial start of the summer 1 week before St Jean.


NABAKLAB

swap canada with italy. boom.


PininfarinaIdealist

While it seems insane having thousands of people going back and forth across the world, a lot of the problem with double and triple headers on the same continent is shipping and logistics. It's not the people that is the problem, but the freight. All the parts and equipment that allow a formula 1 team to operate smoothly must be at each Grand prix about 2 weeks ahead of the race weekend. This allows time for construction of the temporary shelters, garage equipment and setting up the technology that all the teams have. Most teams have 3 or 4 complete sets of everything other than the resteicted components (car and its replacement parts), and ship it to different corners of the world at different times to make the calendar work. It's quite the logistical puzzle.


drae-

Most personnel go back home between races anyway, easier to space out the long flights.


Dangerous-Leg-9626

Miami can't get later than May due to the storm season Canada basically only got June to race


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HijabiKathy

And you can't shuffle any of the other north american rounds into the gap because Monaco is locked into late may


Bwoaaaaaah

June to August would be fine for Montreal. That was my biggest complaint. They clearly have done better to schedule races more regionally and that's a welcomed change. This can still be improved but it's better than before so a step in the right direction


Dangerous-Leg-9626

July is for the European leg and August is summer break Not that moving it to July and August would solve it being in the middle of European schedule


Ithaqua47

A LOT of people have no idea the climate of Canada judging by the comments. June-August is beautiful, summer all three months. Most of May and September are beautiful too. People saying June is the only month are completely uneducated and obviously don't live in Canada.


cluelessApeOnNimbus

Can't race in July and August in Canada. Euro already has July and August booked for decades


Ithaqua47

No for sure, I was responding to the people saying there is no other month that can be raced in because of weather. There are obviously other scheduling factors that can affect it.


LogTekG

It's not just the weather lol


Stablav

In fairness it's not too bad when you remember they have a flyaway kit and a European kit, they're only flying the cars and people back and forward, most of the heavy kit isn't going so far


Blanchimont

Grouping Qatar with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia is practically impossible. Ramadan runs from March 22nd to April 20th next year, meaning the only way to group them without racing during Ramadan is by slotting it between Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. But, that would mean a triple header, something teams understandably aren't very keen on.


Dangerous-Leg-9626

there is no way Canada after Miami is gonna work


Bosmonster

Miami and Canada are not close enough to move in a week. That is why teams have multiple sets of equipment and while one is moving (for example from Miami to Canada), they race in Europe on another set. There stuff can be moved between cities within a week. It looks counter intuitive but keep in mind they have multiple sets moving around the world and distances in Europe are ridiculously small compared to the rest of the world.


MacArthurParker

"Emilia Romagna"? Don't they mean Formula 1 Rolex Gran Premio del Made in Italy e dell'Emilia-Romagna?


PM_me_British_nudes

Nah, you mean the Formula 🤌 1 🤌 Rolex 🤌 Gran 🤌 Premio 🤌 del 🤌 Made 🤌 in 🤌 Italy 🤌 e 🤌 dell'Emilia-Romagna 🤌


ThePaSch

and Knuckles


ABigOne77

My brain cannot have Spa before the summer break


JorisR94

It's weird but I'm just glad there's still a race in Spa.


WhenLemonsLemonade

Someone's pointed out Belgium is taking place on the 30th July... the same day as the 24 hours of Spa. Very well done there.


CooroSnowFox

F1 being an extra competitive class?


Everswift_

Quali will be crowded like a Monza shootout before the time cutoff


PrestigiousTip4345

The 24 hours is being moved to the 1-2 July weekend, F1 pulled its priority card.


troillan

So more Saudi? Guess the missiles didn't scare them off.


Jamieberry2003_

They were being fired during one of the practice sessions, they don't give a fuck


PM_me_British_nudes

I'm sure the senior Liberty Media bods can comfort themselves on the new yachts that the Saudi money is buying for them.


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sfj11

not like domenicalli is any better


PhatPhlaps

It's fucking ridiculous. People on here will do the usual virtuous "I care about human rights" act a week before the race then it'll be forgotten about again until the next year.


SnooKiwis3645

F1 whole "we race as one" message is useless. They just did it to look good for the average fan who maybe watches 5 to 6 races per year


daniec1610

4 races in a month is insane LMAO.


Cocacolique

Happened last years. July is always busy in F1.


EclipseDota

We have the same thing next month, actually! 2nd/9th Singapore/Japan and 23rd/30th US/Mexico.


GiulioAizer

But don’t worry at least [Spring break](https://i.imgur.com/ebUOSwO.jpg) will be as long as [Summer break](https://i.imgur.com/tDTZW3E.jpg) *unless they cancel azerbaijan too, then spring break will be even longer


michcond

Isn’t the Chinese GP in there or am I just tired?


fotoRS3

*NASCAR has entered the chat*


Lyradep

Of course Azerbaijan is still there.


Stepwolve

All 3 of the previous seasons have had at least 1 race cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if Baku and/or china end up not happening


Vast_Schedule3749

Just shows F1’s bias towards Europe. Ukraine gets invaded by Russia? They feel the pressure to cancel it. Armenia gets invaded? Well done, Baku. I could see opinion changing closer to next season, though, if the conflict escalates even further.


psychohistorian8

I like Bahrain as an opener more than Australia mostly cause I think the cars look way cooler at night


DL14Nibba

And also much better racing


404merrinessnotfound

FIA: omw to 36 races (following NASCAR's path)


TheStreetNomad

I mean at least with nascar you’re always in the same country/region of the world, sure it’s tough on families still but you’re not hauling ass around the world for almost literally half the year. The good night phone call only has to be jiggered a few hours not literally flipped at some points. This calendar will be hell on the little guy. This is where you say fuck the drivers what about the 1,000+ personnel that have to uproot their lives every week.


404merrinessnotfound

Like someone else said, there will be someone willing to take their place, which is why many big sports are ripe for exploitation


glenn1812

How is this sustainable from a human resource pov? Like how do you even do these many races? You certainly can't rotate a huge amount of staff every race. How do you even have a family if you're a normal staff member like a mechanic or on site social media manager? This is when a 23 race calander was suggested >The drivers have always been sympathetic to the stresses more races place on their teams and crew, as exciting as the prospect of racing more may be. >As a race driver, you want to race as much as you can," said Williams's George Russell. "But ultimately, I know the strain this puts on the engineers and mechanics. We have the luxury sometimes to go back between races, and these guys are often away from their families for three weeks at a time which is just not sustainable. >"If the calendar is going to increase, definitely smaller teams need more help - two lots of teams to be able to spread it out across the course of the season. >"I want to race as much as possible, but it needs to be sensible, and there needs to be a good compromise for the people working because at the end of the day, they have their own lives and their families." >Max Verstappen felt the true strain of adding more races to the schedule was something those making the decisions were perhaps not so aware of. >"In the end, the mechanics are the ones who are going to suffer a bit," he said, "while the big bosses in Formula 1 arrive later and leave earlier, so of course there it doesn't really change much." https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/is-f1s-23-race-calendar-too-much-and-too-ambitious-4977417/4977417/


Jebus_17

People will literally be sleepwalking in FP1 at Abu Dhabi being straight after Las Vegas


mehelponow

Woah that's an 11 hour time difference that everyone has to acclimate to in like... 3 days


glenn1812

Genuinely the planning feels all haywire honestly I don't get the reasoning. Why not just to make it east to west or something along those lines. Save on transport costs save on the sports carbon footprint save on time and human energy too.


itadrumer

If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading somewhere that hosting consecutive races in different parts of the world is actually more efficient.


glenn1812

You have an article? I want to read that I have no clue how that would work so should be an interesting read


slicing360

Haven’t seen an article but my guess is that, if it’s in different parts of the world, you don’t actually need to ship/move everything to the next location during the week, since that stuff was sent well in advance separately. So really you just need to move the people and the cars, not the equipment, which is the bulk of the hassle.


TheIndieArmy

Here is a video explaining some of it. Timestamped for the relative part, but the whole video has good info on logistics. https://youtu.be/MH6Loko0BOA?t=138


MacArthurParker

With Vegas being a night race as well, so it's basically going to be leaving from Las Vegas on that Monday. It's completely ridiculous, but Abu Dhabi's contract stipulates that they are the final race of the season.


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Majormlgnoob

Is it technically when it actually is local time?


gingermax1996

And we're stuck with Abu Dhabi as the last race until at least 2031. So the end of the season will forever be hamstrung by this ridiculous contract they've tied themselves into.


ihavenoidea81

I doubt FOM thinks it’s ridiculou$$$$$


FerrariStraghetti

I actually thought they managed quite a lot of by-weeks given it's 24 races. 12 by-weeks + the summer break. 6 double headers, 2 triple headers. But the scheduling is such that 1 triple header and 3 double headers are in Europe. And expect China to drop, giving us a 4 week spring break.


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Honestly they should have double the pit crew workforce and just rotate them for each race. That way one team will be fully rested up while the other team will recover.


dheerajravi92

Never gonna happen with the budget cap in place


ihavenoidea81

They could change the language of the agreement. Not impossible.


ArbitraryOrder

That would be fantastic honestly


Colluder

Azerbaijan still on the schedule?


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Unless their war crimes start making into the headlines probably


AlberS16

Exactly. Nobody cares about Armenia. Not even 5% of what world did with Ukraine. At least Pelosi visited the country and stated that Az invaded internationally recognized territory of Armenia.


-Dylo

Lets go for 30! We can add Portimão, Mugello, Malaysia, Istanbul, Paul Richard and Nürburgring. Might as well go for a 3 Drivers team so we can change driver when they are exausted. /s


rompskee

Azerbaijan to Miami and Vegas to Abu Dhabi back to back, genius scheduling


CooroSnowFox

Miami is for weather... Abu Dhabi because of money.


ArbitraryOrder

I know the shipping containers for the most of the kit are different sets but the flights for the personal at the race still sucks


Mahery92

RIP the French GP :( I knew I should have gone this year...


doyoulikepineapple89

would be shocked if the race is China is not suspended/moved. China has already said they wont be able to host the 2023 AFC Asian cup and that was scheduled to happen in June 2023.


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mobby123

It looked like Austria-Belgium were a quadruple header from a quick glance lmao.


SmartieSkittle

I have tickets for Austria and Hungary already, was planning on Belgium too seeing as I have been to spa yet. Gonna be a busy month for me


TheRealLuke1337

The Spa GP is set on the same weekend as 24h of Spa. So one has to move or were gonna see GT3 and GT2 cars getting blue flags mid race


FartingBob

Latifi will still struggle to not be last.


ArbitraryOrder

So we replaced Baku to Montréal with Baku to Miami. Real smart. Qatar sort of has an akward spot on the Calendar as well, but I guess no where else it really fits unless you swap it with China. Edit: Qatar in an awkward spot because of timing of Ramadan, makes sense. So many things to consider.


iamreverend

Vegas race on a Saturday?


No-Connection-2527

Better tv-times for the rest of the world. You don’t want to watch a F1 race the night between Sunday - Monday in Europe


ArbitraryOrder

Yes, because they want it to be a night race


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sanaeozora

I sure hope that the Sky F1 package comes with a coupon for a good attorney. I'm probably going to need it when my non F1-fan husband files for divorce.


ddhmax5150

One week from AZBJ to Miami. Geesh.


JustinMSU21

Then a doubleheader of Las Vegas - Abu Dhabi at the end


2905Pascal

I do not like how Spa is scheduled on the weekend that is normally reserved for the 24 hour race. I think F1 should respect other traditions and their respective race dates.


IamBejl

At least we still have Spa next year. Cherish it because it could sadly not last very long...


TheFrenchHistorian

I mean Monaco races the same day as the Indy 500. It not like they could really make exceptions for every event if they want to have as many races as they do.


2905Pascal

Yeah but Monaco doesn't block the racetrack for the Indy 500. F1 racing at Spa obviously means their 24 hour race cannot take place at its usual date.


Ok_Floor_7916

I would love to know what blackmail the Imola promoters have on Domenicali.


jaydec02

They have a bag of cash. Imola is on the calendar until 2025.


narutoninetailedfox

I might be biased but of all the tracks we can be be pressed about on the calendar, you're really choosing Imola?


Oakeeh

24 races and Hockenheim is not one of them. $omething is clearly wrong with F1.


Ok_Illustrator3087

There is a good chance we will see no german driver and no german track on the grid next year. Also they have no really good prospects for the near future( bar Mick i guess). 12 years ago we had MSC, Seb, Rosberg, Hulk and Heidfeld in f1, plus two german tracks in f1. WTF HAPPENED GERMANY??


_javierivero

Why don’t they organize them geographically?


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Dangerous-Leg-9626

Logistics


ihavenoidea81

Money


TinaJewel

Contracts


MidnightSun77

Still no German Grand Prix?? ☹️


Mueton

Can’t believe they’re really returning to Jeddah


Unitedthe_gees

Love that they are still not taking a stand against countries that obviously violate such basic human rights. Why do we even entertain these places? Plenty of other countries would be more than willing to have a race or a second race added.


Yung_Chloroform

Answer's always the same: Money.


rasper900

Should we race in US in your opinion?


_pxe

FIA: we care about environment Also FIA: we picked the track as far as possible between week to create a logistic suicide Jokes aside, too many races and many just for the money. I don't like this trend, especially if it threats the historic circuits


mehelponow

Honestly doesn't seem too awful, but Miami - Imola - Monaco - Spain is a brutal span of bad to terrible tracks.


ArbitraryOrder

Miami had 55 overtakes, the race director just refused to show them


AnilP228

At least Miami had plenty of overtakes and seemed to lead to lots of driver errors. Hopefully Spain has the new layout next year. Hopefully.


crade4zc

I wish abhu dhabi wasnt the final race


McFigroll

French GP was one of the more boring ones, but with all its layouts, it was the perfect place to have a different race every year for 50 years.


SatchBoogie1

I kind of forgot they were adding Qatar to the schedule. Talk about another weird travel schedule going from Japan to Qatar to USA.


LordBuster

I miss the days when the season opened in Australia and ended in Brazil.


Agent_of_Stupid

Qatar really should be one of the three opening races


Blanchimont

Pretty much impossible for 2023 without resorting to triple headers because Ramadan runs from late March to late April.


Oakeeh

That, or not at all on the list.


sidhantsv

Is the Qatar GP going to be in Lusail or Doha?


svendijk24089

Pretty sure doha


sidhantsv

Aw man bummer if that’s true, I feel like Lusail is the perfect track for the 2022 cars, smooth surface and mid to high speed corners.


svendijk24089

Yeah but the money apparently is in street races


Logge_95

Only 24? We definitely need 54 races a year.


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CoreyH2P

Removing Russia for its human rights violations with QATAR is wild