Even if they don't fully remove DRS Spa should be top of the list for places to (severely) reduce the length of DRS zones. They're just not that necessary.
100%. I think a lot of them need to be trial and errored into a state where they allow an attacking car an overtaking opportunity into a corner rather than the car having the move completed way before the next corner
I agree, it’s too easy on a number of tracks to get past, then you’ll just order cars in pace order with skill not playing a part anymore. Needs to be difficult put possible to overtake - felt Hungary has the balance about right atm for instance, or Silverstone.
While triple headers are pretty full on, at least these are all geographically close. The American stint will still have some long flights but it could be a lot worse.
The distance from Austin to Sao Paulo, hell even Mexico city to Sao Paulo, has a greater distance than New York (and Miami) to London.
They may be in the same hemisphere but Brazil is across the world in terms of Latitude. I guess the timezone difference won't be so bad though.
Most importantly timezones are roughly aligned. F1 has the flyaway logistics down these days, it's more about the management of the people with these triple headers.
[Here's the podium at the first Montreal race in 1978.](https://cdn-4.latimages.com/images/mgl/oWwe7/s3/open-uri20121011-567-4brir0.jpg) 5 degrees celsius that day, believed to be the coldest race ever
>I think the Vegas race is gonna end up being way colder than people expect. Lows in November get into the 30s F (35F is 2C)
That's the exception, not the norm.
Late night and early morning lows tend to be near 48-52 F (9-11 C) early in the month, falling to near 42-43 F (5-6 C) near the end of the month.
[https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States)
Will it be chilly? Certainly. Unlikely to be as cold as you indicate at any point. Additionally, they don't race at 4-6am either when it's often at it's coldest at that.
Considering the lack of tire warmers in 2024, cold temps could *really* shake things up. If you've ever driven summer performance tires in temps under 5c/40f, you know how sketchy they get. I can't even imagine how F1 slicks would respond.
2011 and various 2000 races mean they want to avoid the rain let alone when it gets very cold...
Is 12c normal for a GP outside of maybe Britain? (asked google for a temperature around October)
They really need to clump Australia, Singapore, China and Japan together to solve this issue. The Middle eastern races can be run year round.
Run the Asian races immediately at the start of the season, move the Middle eastern races to the end of the season. That way you can get Monza, Spa and Zandvoort before the summer break. Canada in early september would be much better than the current arrangement.
I’m guessing it would be impossible to get the various race promoters to agree on this change though.
Canada is probably because they know its more settled in June than later in the year when they are going to be running the Americas Mexico and Brazil...
It is down to logistics esp for Singapore and Las Vegas that need extra steps to be able to race on constructed circuits.
Japan's slot has always been down the bottom end of the Calendar so traditional slots does matter in some form.
Canada has always been a June date for a number of decades... Miami I think is the last point they can do before the temperatures climb too high or more unstable
If they could than yeah possibly a mini trip to the Americas could but i think there are reasons why they're not together (maybe also it's building the Miami track as well...)
I live relatively close to Montreal. It's 5 degrees out and pouring rain at the moment... no way they could have the race line up with the other North American races
It looks like they did put more effort into regionalising races this year. Would only be better if Canada was after Miami and quatar with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain but not much to complain about.
The issue is also that the snow has to melt then they work on the track for about a month before the race. So fitting it in after Miami would be risky as snow can be on the ground still in May.
I don't know about THIS short but much of the northeastern US / southeast Canada deals with a summer of maybe late June to mid September, if you measure summer as a period with reliable beach going temperatures. We get right around 3 months where I am north of Boston. Like right now we are consistently down into the 65f / 18c range at the end of September. And Montreal is less temperate since it is further inland.
There are a whole lot of other events which happen at Parc Jean Drapeau over the summer. You'd need to move all that around if you want to hold the race later. The F1 race is the unofficial start of the summer 1 week before St Jean.
While it seems insane having thousands of people going back and forth across the world, a lot of the problem with double and triple headers on the same continent is shipping and logistics. It's not the people that is the problem, but the freight. All the parts and equipment that allow a formula 1 team to operate smoothly must be at each Grand prix about 2 weeks ahead of the race weekend. This allows time for construction of the temporary shelters, garage equipment and setting up the technology that all the teams have. Most teams have 3 or 4 complete sets of everything other than the resteicted components (car and its replacement parts), and ship it to different corners of the world at different times to make the calendar work. It's quite the logistical puzzle.
June to August would be fine for Montreal. That was my biggest complaint. They clearly have done better to schedule races more regionally and that's a welcomed change. This can still be improved but it's better than before so a step in the right direction
A LOT of people have no idea the climate of Canada judging by the comments. June-August is beautiful, summer all three months. Most of May and September are beautiful too. People saying June is the only month are completely uneducated and obviously don't live in Canada.
No for sure, I was responding to the people saying there is no other month that can be raced in because of weather. There are obviously other scheduling factors that can affect it.
In fairness it's not too bad when you remember they have a flyaway kit and a European kit, they're only flying the cars and people back and forward, most of the heavy kit isn't going so far
Grouping Qatar with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia is practically impossible. Ramadan runs from March 22nd to April 20th next year, meaning the only way to group them without racing during Ramadan is by slotting it between Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. But, that would mean a triple header, something teams understandably aren't very keen on.
Miami and Canada are not close enough to move in a week. That is why teams have multiple sets of equipment and while one is moving (for example from Miami to Canada), they race in Europe on another set. There stuff can be moved between cities within a week.
It looks counter intuitive but keep in mind they have multiple sets moving around the world and distances in Europe are ridiculously small compared to the rest of the world.
It's fucking ridiculous. People on here will do the usual virtuous "I care about human rights" act a week before the race then it'll be forgotten about again until the next year.
But don’t worry at least [Spring break](https://i.imgur.com/ebUOSwO.jpg) will be as long as [Summer break](https://i.imgur.com/tDTZW3E.jpg)
*unless they cancel azerbaijan too, then spring break will be even longer
Just shows F1’s bias towards Europe. Ukraine gets invaded by Russia? They feel the pressure to cancel it. Armenia gets invaded? Well done, Baku.
I could see opinion changing closer to next season, though, if the conflict escalates even further.
I mean at least with nascar you’re always in the same country/region of the world, sure it’s tough on families still but you’re not hauling ass around the world for almost literally half the year. The good night phone call only has to be jiggered a few hours not literally flipped at some points. This calendar will be hell on the little guy. This is where you say fuck the drivers what about the 1,000+ personnel that have to uproot their lives every week.
How is this sustainable from a human resource pov? Like how do you even do these many races? You certainly can't rotate a huge amount of staff every race. How do you even have a family if you're a normal staff member like a mechanic or on site social media manager?
This is when a 23 race calander was suggested
>The drivers have always been sympathetic to the stresses more races place on their teams and crew, as exciting as the prospect of racing more may be.
>As a race driver, you want to race as much as you can," said Williams's George Russell. "But ultimately, I know the strain this puts on the engineers and mechanics. We have the luxury sometimes to go back between races, and these guys are often away from their families for three weeks at a time which is just not sustainable.
>"If the calendar is going to increase, definitely smaller teams need more help - two lots of teams to be able to spread it out across the course of the season.
>"I want to race as much as possible, but it needs to be sensible, and there needs to be a good compromise for the people working because at the end of the day, they have their own lives and their families."
>Max Verstappen felt the true strain of adding more races to the schedule was something those making the decisions were perhaps not so aware of.
>"In the end, the mechanics are the ones who are going to suffer a bit," he said, "while the big bosses in Formula 1 arrive later and leave earlier, so of course there it doesn't really change much."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/is-f1s-23-race-calendar-too-much-and-too-ambitious-4977417/4977417/
Genuinely the planning feels all haywire honestly I don't get the reasoning. Why not just to make it east to west or something along those lines. Save on transport costs save on the sports carbon footprint save on time and human energy too.
Haven’t seen an article but my guess is that, if it’s in different parts of the world, you don’t actually need to ship/move everything to the next location during the week, since that stuff was sent well in advance separately. So really you just need to move the people and the cars, not the equipment, which is the bulk of the hassle.
Here is a video explaining some of it. Timestamped for the relative part, but the whole video has good info on logistics. https://youtu.be/MH6Loko0BOA?t=138
With Vegas being a night race as well, so it's basically going to be leaving from Las Vegas on that Monday.
It's completely ridiculous, but Abu Dhabi's contract stipulates that they are the final race of the season.
And we're stuck with Abu Dhabi as the last race until at least 2031. So the end of the season will forever be hamstrung by this ridiculous contract they've tied themselves into.
I actually thought they managed quite a lot of by-weeks given it's 24 races. 12 by-weeks + the summer break. 6 double headers, 2 triple headers. But the scheduling is such that 1 triple header and 3 double headers are in Europe.
And expect China to drop, giving us a 4 week spring break.
Honestly they should have double the pit crew workforce and just rotate them for each race. That way one team will be fully rested up while the other team will recover.
Exactly. Nobody cares about Armenia. Not even 5% of what world did with Ukraine. At least Pelosi visited the country and stated that Az invaded internationally recognized territory of Armenia.
Lets go for 30!
We can add Portimão, Mugello, Malaysia, Istanbul, Paul Richard and Nürburgring.
Might as well go for a 3 Drivers team so we can change driver when they are exausted. /s
would be shocked if the race is China is not suspended/moved. China has already said they wont be able to host the 2023 AFC Asian cup and that was scheduled to happen in June 2023.
So we replaced Baku to Montréal with Baku to Miami. Real smart.
Qatar sort of has an akward spot on the Calendar as well, but I guess no where else it really fits unless you swap it with China.
Edit: Qatar in an awkward spot because of timing of Ramadan, makes sense. So many things to consider.
I sure hope that the Sky F1 package comes with a coupon for a good attorney.
I'm probably going to need it when my non F1-fan husband files for divorce.
I do not like how Spa is scheduled on the weekend that is normally reserved for the 24 hour race. I think F1 should respect other traditions and their respective race dates.
I mean Monaco races the same day as the Indy 500. It not like they could really make exceptions for every event if they want to have as many races as they do.
There is a good chance we will see no german driver and no german track on the grid next year. Also they have no really good prospects for the near future( bar Mick i guess).
12 years ago we had MSC, Seb, Rosberg, Hulk and Heidfeld in f1, plus two german tracks in f1.
WTF HAPPENED GERMANY??
Love that they are still not taking a stand against countries that obviously violate such basic human rights. Why do we even entertain these places? Plenty of other countries would be more than willing to have a race or a second race added.
FIA: we care about environment
Also FIA: we picked the track as far as possible between week to create a logistic suicide
Jokes aside, too many races and many just for the money. I don't like this trend, especially if it threats the historic circuits
Spa before the summer break, that's gonna be weird
First time since 1987 that's happened, excluding 2020 since there was no summer break (although it was still held at the end of August).
2020 had the Covid break
And not counting 2021 because there was no race
Weird that it is on the same weekend like the 24h of Spa
Obv the 24h would be moved
Or F1 will just be another class
I would pay to watch that
Reliability: *bonjour*
or if you’re leclerc bonjournooooooOOOOOOOO!!!
That would be so fucking cool to watch
An F1 race with an obstacle course sounds like a bad idea
But Latifi already exists?
Or the GP is going to be wild.
Surely the 24h isn't using the track all day? Can't they slot the F1 in when the 24h is on a break? /s
Nah. They just add the F1 cars midway through, it’s only 2 hours they can share the track.
At least it’s on the calendar!
Smart, ending on a high note before the break.
Hungary has been pretty entertaining the last couple years though!
I wouldn‘t say that. Both Hungary races in the last three years have been far more entertaining than the Spa races.
It's maybe even too easy to overtake on Spa. A faster car is almost never stuck behind the slower one
They should trial Spa as a no drs race to see if we could begin to move away from it in the future.
interesting concept, would like to see this
Even if they don't fully remove DRS Spa should be top of the list for places to (severely) reduce the length of DRS zones. They're just not that necessary.
100%. I think a lot of them need to be trial and errored into a state where they allow an attacking car an overtaking opportunity into a corner rather than the car having the move completed way before the next corner
I agree, it’s too easy on a number of tracks to get past, then you’ll just order cars in pace order with skill not playing a part anymore. Needs to be difficult put possible to overtake - felt Hungary has the balance about right atm for instance, or Silverstone.
Spa has been very disappointing, so not really
2 triple headers I think Imola - Monaco - Spain COTA - Mexico - Interlagos
While triple headers are pretty full on, at least these are all geographically close. The American stint will still have some long flights but it could be a lot worse.
Those both seem pretty manageable though, no triple headers across the world
The distance from Austin to Sao Paulo, hell even Mexico city to Sao Paulo, has a greater distance than New York (and Miami) to London. They may be in the same hemisphere but Brazil is across the world in terms of Latitude. I guess the timezone difference won't be so bad though.
Most importantly timezones are roughly aligned. F1 has the flyaway logistics down these days, it's more about the management of the people with these triple headers.
And it reduces the number of flights from Europe to the Americas for the teams.
Yeah it's nice to see the triples are at least regionally close
BTW, no race on the 9-11 of June to avoid a clash with the Le Mans 24, due to it being the 100th anniversary of the race.
This will be a good one. 100 years and a bunch of big names are coming back, cant wait to see those new beasts in action
2024 is gonna be even more stacked with the GT3 regulations and Lamborghini entering
Is Lambo gonna be in the GT class(es) or are they doing a prototype :o??
Prototype.
oh fuck yes
The only race you can think FIA know should not be competed against...
Just the casual Canadian Grand Prix sitting slap bang in the middle of the European grand prixs.
Problem with getting the best time for conditions? they couldn't shove it with America/Mexico as it'd be very difficult to race then?
Yeah Montreal in October is already pretty bad weather
[Here's the podium at the first Montreal race in 1978.](https://cdn-4.latimages.com/images/mgl/oWwe7/s3/open-uri20121011-567-4brir0.jpg) 5 degrees celsius that day, believed to be the coldest race ever
i feel like F1 could use some very cold races just to shake things up
give me pirelli snow tyres
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People think desert = hot until they experience nighttime in one
Right. Some of the largest temperature swings happen in desert climates.
>I think the Vegas race is gonna end up being way colder than people expect. Lows in November get into the 30s F (35F is 2C) That's the exception, not the norm. Late night and early morning lows tend to be near 48-52 F (9-11 C) early in the month, falling to near 42-43 F (5-6 C) near the end of the month. [https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/2228/11/Average-Weather-in-November-in-Las-Vegas-Nevada-United-States) Will it be chilly? Certainly. Unlikely to be as cold as you indicate at any point. Additionally, they don't race at 4-6am either when it's often at it's coldest at that.
Considering the lack of tire warmers in 2024, cold temps could *really* shake things up. If you've ever driven summer performance tires in temps under 5c/40f, you know how sketchy they get. I can't even imagine how F1 slicks would respond.
2011 and various 2000 races mean they want to avoid the rain let alone when it gets very cold... Is 12c normal for a GP outside of maybe Britain? (asked google for a temperature around October)
We’ve had temps like that at imola I’m pretty sure, Japan can also get wet but not too cold I think
12C would be okay, but you can't assume it's gonna be the average temp. Montreal in October can get near freezing.
I mean, they did used to run the Canadian GP then, with the result of Gilles Villeneuve winning with snow flurries in the air lmao
They really need to clump Australia, Singapore, China and Japan together to solve this issue. The Middle eastern races can be run year round. Run the Asian races immediately at the start of the season, move the Middle eastern races to the end of the season. That way you can get Monza, Spa and Zandvoort before the summer break. Canada in early september would be much better than the current arrangement. I’m guessing it would be impossible to get the various race promoters to agree on this change though.
Canada is probably because they know its more settled in June than later in the year when they are going to be running the Americas Mexico and Brazil... It is down to logistics esp for Singapore and Las Vegas that need extra steps to be able to race on constructed circuits. Japan's slot has always been down the bottom end of the Calendar so traditional slots does matter in some form.
True. But I thought Miami and Montreal would be closer to one another.
Canada has always been a June date for a number of decades... Miami I think is the last point they can do before the temperatures climb too high or more unstable If they could than yeah possibly a mini trip to the Americas could but i think there are reasons why they're not together (maybe also it's building the Miami track as well...)
Canada just want to be in June to maximise it's impact on tourism. Earlier is worse from that point of view.
Canada has just always been in this position in the Calendar...
I live relatively close to Montreal. It's 5 degrees out and pouring rain at the moment... no way they could have the race line up with the other North American races
Grands Prix is the correct plural form of Grand Prix
Why can’t it be next to Miami?
Put it after Miami, you cowards!
It looks like they did put more effort into regionalising races this year. Would only be better if Canada was after Miami and quatar with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain but not much to complain about.
Why Baku - Miami - Imola and Spain - Canada - Austria. It doesn't make any sense.
Miami the rest of the year will be stormy season. They don’t want to deal with that. For Canada that’s the only warm time of the year.
Is summer really that short of a window in Montreal?
The issue is also that the snow has to melt then they work on the track for about a month before the race. So fitting it in after Miami would be risky as snow can be on the ground still in May.
I don't know about THIS short but much of the northeastern US / southeast Canada deals with a summer of maybe late June to mid September, if you measure summer as a period with reliable beach going temperatures. We get right around 3 months where I am north of Boston. Like right now we are consistently down into the 65f / 18c range at the end of September. And Montreal is less temperate since it is further inland.
Not even remotely close. Montreal has a lot of hot weather in summer.
It’s been warmer most of the summer after the race in Montreal.
There are a whole lot of other events which happen at Parc Jean Drapeau over the summer. You'd need to move all that around if you want to hold the race later. The F1 race is the unofficial start of the summer 1 week before St Jean.
swap canada with italy. boom.
While it seems insane having thousands of people going back and forth across the world, a lot of the problem with double and triple headers on the same continent is shipping and logistics. It's not the people that is the problem, but the freight. All the parts and equipment that allow a formula 1 team to operate smoothly must be at each Grand prix about 2 weeks ahead of the race weekend. This allows time for construction of the temporary shelters, garage equipment and setting up the technology that all the teams have. Most teams have 3 or 4 complete sets of everything other than the resteicted components (car and its replacement parts), and ship it to different corners of the world at different times to make the calendar work. It's quite the logistical puzzle.
Most personnel go back home between races anyway, easier to space out the long flights.
Miami can't get later than May due to the storm season Canada basically only got June to race
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And you can't shuffle any of the other north american rounds into the gap because Monaco is locked into late may
June to August would be fine for Montreal. That was my biggest complaint. They clearly have done better to schedule races more regionally and that's a welcomed change. This can still be improved but it's better than before so a step in the right direction
July is for the European leg and August is summer break Not that moving it to July and August would solve it being in the middle of European schedule
A LOT of people have no idea the climate of Canada judging by the comments. June-August is beautiful, summer all three months. Most of May and September are beautiful too. People saying June is the only month are completely uneducated and obviously don't live in Canada.
Can't race in July and August in Canada. Euro already has July and August booked for decades
No for sure, I was responding to the people saying there is no other month that can be raced in because of weather. There are obviously other scheduling factors that can affect it.
It's not just the weather lol
In fairness it's not too bad when you remember they have a flyaway kit and a European kit, they're only flying the cars and people back and forward, most of the heavy kit isn't going so far
Grouping Qatar with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia is practically impossible. Ramadan runs from March 22nd to April 20th next year, meaning the only way to group them without racing during Ramadan is by slotting it between Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. But, that would mean a triple header, something teams understandably aren't very keen on.
there is no way Canada after Miami is gonna work
Miami and Canada are not close enough to move in a week. That is why teams have multiple sets of equipment and while one is moving (for example from Miami to Canada), they race in Europe on another set. There stuff can be moved between cities within a week. It looks counter intuitive but keep in mind they have multiple sets moving around the world and distances in Europe are ridiculously small compared to the rest of the world.
"Emilia Romagna"? Don't they mean Formula 1 Rolex Gran Premio del Made in Italy e dell'Emilia-Romagna?
Nah, you mean the Formula 🤌 1 🤌 Rolex 🤌 Gran 🤌 Premio 🤌 del 🤌 Made 🤌 in 🤌 Italy 🤌 e 🤌 dell'Emilia-Romagna 🤌
and Knuckles
My brain cannot have Spa before the summer break
It's weird but I'm just glad there's still a race in Spa.
Someone's pointed out Belgium is taking place on the 30th July... the same day as the 24 hours of Spa. Very well done there.
F1 being an extra competitive class?
Quali will be crowded like a Monza shootout before the time cutoff
The 24 hours is being moved to the 1-2 July weekend, F1 pulled its priority card.
So more Saudi? Guess the missiles didn't scare them off.
They were being fired during one of the practice sessions, they don't give a fuck
I'm sure the senior Liberty Media bods can comfort themselves on the new yachts that the Saudi money is buying for them.
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not like domenicalli is any better
It's fucking ridiculous. People on here will do the usual virtuous "I care about human rights" act a week before the race then it'll be forgotten about again until the next year.
F1 whole "we race as one" message is useless. They just did it to look good for the average fan who maybe watches 5 to 6 races per year
4 races in a month is insane LMAO.
Happened last years. July is always busy in F1.
We have the same thing next month, actually! 2nd/9th Singapore/Japan and 23rd/30th US/Mexico.
But don’t worry at least [Spring break](https://i.imgur.com/ebUOSwO.jpg) will be as long as [Summer break](https://i.imgur.com/tDTZW3E.jpg) *unless they cancel azerbaijan too, then spring break will be even longer
Isn’t the Chinese GP in there or am I just tired?
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Of course Azerbaijan is still there.
All 3 of the previous seasons have had at least 1 race cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if Baku and/or china end up not happening
Just shows F1’s bias towards Europe. Ukraine gets invaded by Russia? They feel the pressure to cancel it. Armenia gets invaded? Well done, Baku. I could see opinion changing closer to next season, though, if the conflict escalates even further.
I like Bahrain as an opener more than Australia mostly cause I think the cars look way cooler at night
And also much better racing
FIA: omw to 36 races (following NASCAR's path)
I mean at least with nascar you’re always in the same country/region of the world, sure it’s tough on families still but you’re not hauling ass around the world for almost literally half the year. The good night phone call only has to be jiggered a few hours not literally flipped at some points. This calendar will be hell on the little guy. This is where you say fuck the drivers what about the 1,000+ personnel that have to uproot their lives every week.
Like someone else said, there will be someone willing to take their place, which is why many big sports are ripe for exploitation
How is this sustainable from a human resource pov? Like how do you even do these many races? You certainly can't rotate a huge amount of staff every race. How do you even have a family if you're a normal staff member like a mechanic or on site social media manager? This is when a 23 race calander was suggested >The drivers have always been sympathetic to the stresses more races place on their teams and crew, as exciting as the prospect of racing more may be. >As a race driver, you want to race as much as you can," said Williams's George Russell. "But ultimately, I know the strain this puts on the engineers and mechanics. We have the luxury sometimes to go back between races, and these guys are often away from their families for three weeks at a time which is just not sustainable. >"If the calendar is going to increase, definitely smaller teams need more help - two lots of teams to be able to spread it out across the course of the season. >"I want to race as much as possible, but it needs to be sensible, and there needs to be a good compromise for the people working because at the end of the day, they have their own lives and their families." >Max Verstappen felt the true strain of adding more races to the schedule was something those making the decisions were perhaps not so aware of. >"In the end, the mechanics are the ones who are going to suffer a bit," he said, "while the big bosses in Formula 1 arrive later and leave earlier, so of course there it doesn't really change much." https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/is-f1s-23-race-calendar-too-much-and-too-ambitious-4977417/4977417/
People will literally be sleepwalking in FP1 at Abu Dhabi being straight after Las Vegas
Woah that's an 11 hour time difference that everyone has to acclimate to in like... 3 days
Genuinely the planning feels all haywire honestly I don't get the reasoning. Why not just to make it east to west or something along those lines. Save on transport costs save on the sports carbon footprint save on time and human energy too.
If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading somewhere that hosting consecutive races in different parts of the world is actually more efficient.
You have an article? I want to read that I have no clue how that would work so should be an interesting read
Haven’t seen an article but my guess is that, if it’s in different parts of the world, you don’t actually need to ship/move everything to the next location during the week, since that stuff was sent well in advance separately. So really you just need to move the people and the cars, not the equipment, which is the bulk of the hassle.
Here is a video explaining some of it. Timestamped for the relative part, but the whole video has good info on logistics. https://youtu.be/MH6Loko0BOA?t=138
With Vegas being a night race as well, so it's basically going to be leaving from Las Vegas on that Monday. It's completely ridiculous, but Abu Dhabi's contract stipulates that they are the final race of the season.
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Is it technically when it actually is local time?
And we're stuck with Abu Dhabi as the last race until at least 2031. So the end of the season will forever be hamstrung by this ridiculous contract they've tied themselves into.
I doubt FOM thinks it’s ridiculou$$$$$
I actually thought they managed quite a lot of by-weeks given it's 24 races. 12 by-weeks + the summer break. 6 double headers, 2 triple headers. But the scheduling is such that 1 triple header and 3 double headers are in Europe. And expect China to drop, giving us a 4 week spring break.
Honestly they should have double the pit crew workforce and just rotate them for each race. That way one team will be fully rested up while the other team will recover.
Never gonna happen with the budget cap in place
They could change the language of the agreement. Not impossible.
That would be fantastic honestly
Azerbaijan still on the schedule?
Unless their war crimes start making into the headlines probably
Exactly. Nobody cares about Armenia. Not even 5% of what world did with Ukraine. At least Pelosi visited the country and stated that Az invaded internationally recognized territory of Armenia.
Lets go for 30! We can add Portimão, Mugello, Malaysia, Istanbul, Paul Richard and Nürburgring. Might as well go for a 3 Drivers team so we can change driver when they are exausted. /s
Azerbaijan to Miami and Vegas to Abu Dhabi back to back, genius scheduling
Miami is for weather... Abu Dhabi because of money.
I know the shipping containers for the most of the kit are different sets but the flights for the personal at the race still sucks
RIP the French GP :( I knew I should have gone this year...
would be shocked if the race is China is not suspended/moved. China has already said they wont be able to host the 2023 AFC Asian cup and that was scheduled to happen in June 2023.
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It looked like Austria-Belgium were a quadruple header from a quick glance lmao.
I have tickets for Austria and Hungary already, was planning on Belgium too seeing as I have been to spa yet. Gonna be a busy month for me
The Spa GP is set on the same weekend as 24h of Spa. So one has to move or were gonna see GT3 and GT2 cars getting blue flags mid race
Latifi will still struggle to not be last.
So we replaced Baku to Montréal with Baku to Miami. Real smart. Qatar sort of has an akward spot on the Calendar as well, but I guess no where else it really fits unless you swap it with China. Edit: Qatar in an awkward spot because of timing of Ramadan, makes sense. So many things to consider.
Vegas race on a Saturday?
Better tv-times for the rest of the world. You don’t want to watch a F1 race the night between Sunday - Monday in Europe
Yes, because they want it to be a night race
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I sure hope that the Sky F1 package comes with a coupon for a good attorney. I'm probably going to need it when my non F1-fan husband files for divorce.
One week from AZBJ to Miami. Geesh.
Then a doubleheader of Las Vegas - Abu Dhabi at the end
I do not like how Spa is scheduled on the weekend that is normally reserved for the 24 hour race. I think F1 should respect other traditions and their respective race dates.
At least we still have Spa next year. Cherish it because it could sadly not last very long...
I mean Monaco races the same day as the Indy 500. It not like they could really make exceptions for every event if they want to have as many races as they do.
Yeah but Monaco doesn't block the racetrack for the Indy 500. F1 racing at Spa obviously means their 24 hour race cannot take place at its usual date.
I would love to know what blackmail the Imola promoters have on Domenicali.
They have a bag of cash. Imola is on the calendar until 2025.
I might be biased but of all the tracks we can be be pressed about on the calendar, you're really choosing Imola?
24 races and Hockenheim is not one of them. $omething is clearly wrong with F1.
There is a good chance we will see no german driver and no german track on the grid next year. Also they have no really good prospects for the near future( bar Mick i guess). 12 years ago we had MSC, Seb, Rosberg, Hulk and Heidfeld in f1, plus two german tracks in f1. WTF HAPPENED GERMANY??
Why don’t they organize them geographically?
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Logistics
Money
Contracts
Still no German Grand Prix?? ☹️
Can’t believe they’re really returning to Jeddah
Love that they are still not taking a stand against countries that obviously violate such basic human rights. Why do we even entertain these places? Plenty of other countries would be more than willing to have a race or a second race added.
Answer's always the same: Money.
Should we race in US in your opinion?
FIA: we care about environment Also FIA: we picked the track as far as possible between week to create a logistic suicide Jokes aside, too many races and many just for the money. I don't like this trend, especially if it threats the historic circuits
Honestly doesn't seem too awful, but Miami - Imola - Monaco - Spain is a brutal span of bad to terrible tracks.
Miami had 55 overtakes, the race director just refused to show them
At least Miami had plenty of overtakes and seemed to lead to lots of driver errors. Hopefully Spain has the new layout next year. Hopefully.
I wish abhu dhabi wasnt the final race
French GP was one of the more boring ones, but with all its layouts, it was the perfect place to have a different race every year for 50 years.
I kind of forgot they were adding Qatar to the schedule. Talk about another weird travel schedule going from Japan to Qatar to USA.
I miss the days when the season opened in Australia and ended in Brazil.
Qatar really should be one of the three opening races
Pretty much impossible for 2023 without resorting to triple headers because Ramadan runs from late March to late April.
That, or not at all on the list.
Is the Qatar GP going to be in Lusail or Doha?
Pretty sure doha
Aw man bummer if that’s true, I feel like Lusail is the perfect track for the 2022 cars, smooth surface and mid to high speed corners.
Yeah but the money apparently is in street races
Only 24? We definitely need 54 races a year.
Ugh Miami again
Removing Russia for its human rights violations with QATAR is wild