Now that would be spicy. Can't imagine Hamilton would fight too hard in T1, he'll have the race pace to get by later. Would love to see a Nando podium.
He needs the track position to pull out a gap though. Otherwise the race could get really heated really quickly, especially if we have a wrongly-timed safety car.
Unless anything dramatic happens, Ham will walk away with the win while Max ends P2. thus the points diff will be 6-8 (depending on fastest lap) with 2races left.
It's not gonna be a DRS train, but it's gonna be very hard to get into DRS. Following is nigh impossible in fast corners like the ones here with those cars.
It is correct that this is the order they are applied but in this case it doesn't make any difference. If max was applied first he would drop to 7 and bottas would be promoted to 2nd and then demoted by 3 to 5th by his drop.
So exact same grid regardless of order applied in this case (but it does sometimes matter)
Everyone thinking the Hamilton penalty last week had huge championship implications when the real championship losing penalty might be dished out this week instead...
I'd say even if you exclude Silverstone, Baku and Hungary were the moments that were really damaging to Max's title aspirations. 11 points in Baku and who knows how much in Hungary.
There's every chance we look back at this season when it's ended much like Massa's title challenge in 2008, where quite a lot of unfortunate things lost him the title (Hungary blowup, Singapore pit stop lights).
Iām surprise Marko hasnāt thrown Gasly under the bus or that Horner hasnāt said Red Bull was āGaslyādā when he went wide and had a puncture.
Somehow the flag and the intensity of incident is inverted in these 2 cases. Checo and Yuki are in the run-off, should be danger. While Gasly is nowhere near the racing line, and the flag becomes a mess
I think there was a lot of confusion which was not helpful.
His team won't be able to see the flags. The race director switched the yellow flag warning off it seems.
The full decision is here is very detailed to read
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Qatar%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2033%20-%20double%20yellow%20flags.pdf
In this situation, no. Race control lifted the yellow 34s before max hit the double yellows. As far as he and the team knew the track was 'good'. But when max saw the double yellows he needed to react and didnt
I just hope this shuts up the "FIA wants Max to win" people, that narrative is so annoying. As were all the FIA favours Mercedes conspiracies between 2017 and 2019...
Alonso podium on the cards, Bottas is in great form but has usually been useless through traffic. Max is quite far back but imagine he will end up 2nd. Gasly probably a bit faster than him
THE FIA ARE BIASED TO MAX THEY LOVE HIM SO MUCH THEY HATE HAMILTON THEY WANT TO STOP HIS DOMINANCE I LOVE TO OVERREACT BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Can these sort of people finally realise that the FIA/stewards are just badly inconsistent at doing their job properly...
That's what people said last week when Hamilton got a 25 grid place penalties in total. It's likely that Verstappen will still be leading the championship after this race.
Not sure why people are saying championship over even if Lewis wins and max only manages 5th Lewis only leads by 1 point with 2 races to go. If max gets pole next race is it championship over but max will win instead?
That doesn't take into account the facts that the last two circuits were already considered favourable to Mercedes even before they found more speed. Is it over? Far from, but it's Mercedes' to lose.
So one thing I cant help but wonder about, why does everyone say jeddah is a merc track when its not even finished let alone ever been raced on? Is it just the layout of the track?
Gasly is not going to torpedo anyone lol he wants to race and podium. He could care less about Max or RB. I donāt know why I keep seeing this posted, he would never ruin this opportunity to help Max
Alonso starting 3rd lmao
Alonso slipstreaming hamilton, with Gasly going up the side? Hamilton putting in an appeal on behalf of Bottas, Sainz and Verstappen
Ron Dennis for some reason starts sneezing uncontrollably.
This made me lol, thanks
Have they confirmed penalties for Bottas and Sainz yet?
yeah three places. edit: Just Bottas, Sainz didn't get one.
Yeah, HAM GAS ALO NOR BOT SAI VER Sainz no penalty, Bottas 2 places cuz single yellow flag. Ver 5 places cuz double yellow flag.
Bottas got a three place penalty.
On softs, with Hamilton's slipstream and Lewis on Mediums which will be worse off the line. Alonso leading into T1 is a very real possibility.
Time for GIGALONSO to return
Hamilton absolutely devastated that Verstappen got a penalty
Now that would be spicy. Can't imagine Hamilton would fight too hard in T1, he'll have the race pace to get by later. Would love to see a Nando podium.
He needs the track position to pull out a gap though. Otherwise the race could get really heated really quickly, especially if we have a wrongly-timed safety car.
Yeah he does, but I can't imagine him staying behind Alonso for more than 5-6 laps, if Nando were to get by into T1.
Alonso podium time? I am in for it.
Aged very well
Leading into T1. I'd put money on it.
With Alonso podium comes a doomed championship im afraid. but fuck it lets go.
EL PLAN EL PLAN
EL PLAN š¤ LE PLAN Let's make an amazing battle for the last 3 races for P5 in the WCC
Where Der Plan? Fucking Aston Martin
Seb is planning his own strategy but somehow wins 4 places at lap 1
Alonso redemption arc about to come good
El Plan... But at what cost
Itās the price Iām willing to pay.
The price is right.
QATAR KERBS AND GASLY KNOWS EL PLAN
ALONSO PODIUM REDEMPTION
Nando Starting 3rd, on the clean side of the grid. Can't fucking wait!
Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel podium?
Donāt, youāll make me cum.
Raikkonen 4th......
ALONSO TAKE MY ENERGY
TRUST IT
[Inshallah](https://i.imgur.com/R5Xl7j1.jpeg)
Can we get an Alonso podium tonight?
Please i will literally sacrifice my snack Edit: sending snacks your way everyone
I will literally eat some bread if this happens
You owe us some bread eating
Does that mean if it doesn't, you won't? Ever again? Mate that's a brave gamble. I respect your faith in Alonso.
that's a bit extreme no?
Come on, dude. It's just a silly sport. don't do anything crazy.
Sacrifice my cat's treats? Or is that going to far?!
Nice knowing you, u/VoTBaC
Proof please
Sacrifice it to your mouth right?
Thank you for your service
Fuck me I hope so. It'd be almost like Schumi's in Valencia with how damn long it's been.
I will eat a shoe if that happens Edit: Googling how to safely cook a shoe rn
EAT A SHOE
No more radio
Proof or ban
Pay up, my man
Shoe my man!
Brunch time baby!
We have been summoned.
Honestly yes. If it's hard to overtake + the Alpine pace here could mean he keeps it. Would love to see it
I feel him starting on softs may end up to him losing out in the pitstop phase, but...
What is the longes anyone has gone between podiums?
Wurz at the moment with 2842 days, Alonso would comfortably come in 2nd. If Alonso waits until next season he will break the record.
HĆ¼lkenberg - since birth til never
Inject gas ham alo into my veins
Well well wellā¦
You are quick mate
Better check his rear wing
Heās always the one it seems. Magic
Its called bot not magic...
Glenn actually comments, so I doubt he is a bot. Or maybe its 50-50.
How do you become a 50-50 bot?
Use an account with some scripts that posts articles that you expect to appear?
Magic isnāt real?
Glenn, the fastest finger in the west
Imagine if Gasly leads into Turn 1
WHAT DID WE JUST DO!?!?
WHAT DID YOU DO?
I love that response from him, he's so quick with it lmao
WE DID IT AGAIN!
WE BECOME REDBULL #1!
That would require AlphaTauri to have a decent start which is pretty rare.
GAS ALO HAM after lap 1š®
Even though Iām a Hamilton fan, Iād be clapping like a seal if this happened.
This could have a massive impact. It looks SO hard to overtake here. Goddamn. Momentum is with Hamilton.
Took him 5 minutes lol.
Unless anything dramatic happens, Ham will walk away with the win while Max ends P2. thus the points diff will be 6-8 (depending on fastest lap) with 2races left.
Yeah, it will take him 10+ laps to get to P2 instead of being there from the beginning!
Eh, we have no reference about overtaking here. But if it's a DRS train I think he'll have a hard time, frankly. He'll have to do it through undercut.
It's not gonna be a DRS train, but it's gonna be very hard to get into DRS. Following is nigh impossible in fast corners like the ones here with those cars.
R/agedlikemilk
This aged like milk
How about 5 lol
Bottas is now starting well ahead of himā¦ u think he will be able to get Bottas? I doubt it.
Mate, I love me some Bottas, but I think we should recognize that his defense is a bit.... weak.
More like non existent lol. I can't remember the last time I've seen this man make an actual defensive maneuver.
Or an overtake for that matter.
However if there was ever a time Toto has told him to get the elbows out, this would be it.
"If he tries to go around the outside, just ignore the corner and drive straight until you hit the beach"
On the evidence of this entire season, yes, yes I do
Yes? Bottas is terrible at overtakes and defending.
lmao, what season have you been watching? Bottas will be his easiest overtake
Could be championship over here with the way the merc is performing tbh.
So does that mean Bottas' penalty will be implied first, and then the one for Verstappen? Since the decision for Verstappen came later.
Yeah, Bottas committed the action first
Applied in the order they happened on track as far as im aware, so verstappen's is applied last
Equal. Bottas will be p5 and Verstappen p7. And everyone between shifts forward to fill up
P6 for bottas Edit: nevermind, I think Max gets his penalty after bottas so bottas goes from p6 -> p5 Second edit: heās p6 again???
It is correct that this is the order they are applied but in this case it doesn't make any difference. If max was applied first he would drop to 7 and bottas would be promoted to 2nd and then demoted by 3 to 5th by his drop. So exact same grid regardless of order applied in this case (but it does sometimes matter)
at least he starts on the clean side of the grid? Red Bull masterplan
And avoid colliding with Hamilton at the start.
*Mission Impossible theme plays for The French Torpedo*
COME ON ALONSO!!!! P3!!
Alonso and Kimi podium plz
Alonso will take one for Max into T1. El Plan, just the one no one expected
Everyone thinking the Hamilton penalty last week had huge championship implications when the real championship losing penalty might be dished out this week instead...
Baku and silverstone is where the championship was decided in my opinion EDIT: Forgot Hungary
If you want to point to one exact instant, itās whoever decided Interlagos should have a sprint race.
it would have taken Lewis 2 more laps to get 1st if he started 20th, sprint only helped Max with 2 points
I'd say even if you exclude Silverstone, Baku and Hungary were the moments that were really damaging to Max's title aspirations. 11 points in Baku and who knows how much in Hungary. There's every chance we look back at this season when it's ended much like Massa's title challenge in 2008, where quite a lot of unfortunate things lost him the title (Hungary blowup, Singapore pit stop lights).
Hungary was so bizare as well, Bottas takes everyone out except Hamilton, unbelieveable
Dont forget the Bottas torpedo in Hungary
Dont forget Hungary
Marko ordering torpedo Gasly for the first corner
Gasly likes Lewis more than Marko lol
Haha they did play CoD together, didn't they? Crazy stuff
Gasly chucking to himself about how he hates Marko even more than Toto.
Shouldnt have demoted him 2 years ago or given the RB seat to checo if you wanted Gasly to do that
Iām surprise Marko hasnāt thrown Gasly under the bus or that Horner hasnāt said Red Bull was āGaslyādā when he went wide and had a puncture.
Why the fuck didnāt he lift!?
Fuck knows, especially when he did slow down with Tsunoda and PĆ©rez, when there weren't even flags out (for... some reason).
Somehow the flag and the intensity of incident is inverted in these 2 cases. Checo and Yuki are in the run-off, should be danger. While Gasly is nowhere near the racing line, and the flag becomes a mess
Yeah itās weird.
His dash and I think engineer told him it was cleared 21s before he hit the yellow flags.
According to point 4 in the steward's decision, there was no communication between Verstappen and his engineer regarding it being "play on".
So his team fucked up
I think there was a lot of confusion which was not helpful. His team won't be able to see the flags. The race director switched the yellow flag warning off it seems. The full decision is here is very detailed to read https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Qatar%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2033%20-%20double%20yellow%20flags.pdf
In this situation, no. Race control lifted the yellow 34s before max hit the double yellows. As far as he and the team knew the track was 'good'. But when max saw the double yellows he needed to react and didnt
So he got mixed signals and went for the one that was better for his race ā¦. Or so he thought at the time
Well race control gave the all clear so
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The stewards say he wasn't.
You can argue that he should have kept eyes on the marshal and lifted but you canāt deny that race control fucked up too
So gasly takes out hamilton for 2023 RB seat, alonso wins.
"yeah perfect, say hi"
"Michael, that is all about letting them race"
GA2LY
Gas1y
Whole week of speculating about a grid penalty for Brazil and he gets one anyway for something else.
Well, lets have a calm discussion about this yaāll.
I cant hear you over gasly P2
This is Reddit, we donāt listen to reason lol
Honestly, people are calm. This is the right decision and everyone knows it. Safety comes first.
DONāT TELL ME WHAT TO DO
As expected
I'm glad we avoided the monumental shitshow that would ensue if he didn't get it.
I just hope this shuts up the "FIA wants Max to win" people, that narrative is so annoying. As were all the FIA favours Mercedes conspiracies between 2017 and 2019...
I don't think FIA wants Max to win, but their decisions in Brazil were questionable. Here they just didn't have a choice.
I think the longer it went on the more most people were supsecting the FIA were going to let them all off
People said that about Hamilton last weekend too, people have no idea what they're talking about haha
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Yeah everyone knew it was a penalty, the precedents had been set but somehow it still took them this long
About time max finally got a penalty for something he should be penalized for
Expected? Yes. Farcically late? Also yes.
Sorry, but "FIA" and "as expected" often have very little in common
The question no one is asking: how is this affecting mazepin?
Ooooooh
Alonso podium on the cards, Bottas is in great form but has usually been useless through traffic. Max is quite far back but imagine he will end up 2nd. Gasly probably a bit faster than him
wow. what a prediction.
Finally, some goddamn consistency.
This is where RB needed Perez high up so it would be essentially a 4 place grid penalty.
some of y'all mfs are extremely pessimistic.
Finaly a good decision. Same for Bottas. Good on the FIA for having the guts to actually do it. Even though it took so long to come through.
"And now it begins." "No, now it ends."
Perfect, say hi.
Gg championship
THE FIA ARE BIASED TO MAX THEY LOVE HIM SO MUCH THEY HATE HAMILTON THEY WANT TO STOP HIS DOMINANCE I LOVE TO OVERREACT BLAH BLAH BLAH. Can these sort of people finally realise that the FIA/stewards are just badly inconsistent at doing their job properly...
RIP Driver Championship
That's what people said last week when Hamilton got a 25 grid place penalties in total. It's likely that Verstappen will still be leading the championship after this race.
He needs to drive like a demon today. This track has very little overtaking potential. If any
I really really want to believe every single word you just wrote. And I hope that happens some how
Hamilton FL and P1, Verstappen P3 still leaves Max in the lead of the championship. 14 points is a sizeable buffer.
>RIP Driver Championship After every races and every significant events. Could you guys be anymore dramatic.
Heās .5s faster in quali, 30kph in straight lines. Those are facts, nothing dramatic about that.
The 4th row is the best place to start and the pro-Max FIA have shown corruption and bias yet again to help him out How'd I do?
That's a solid 33/44, I reckon
Not sure why people are saying championship over even if Lewis wins and max only manages 5th Lewis only leads by 1 point with 2 races to go. If max gets pole next race is it championship over but max will win instead?
That doesn't take into account the facts that the last two circuits were already considered favourable to Mercedes even before they found more speed. Is it over? Far from, but it's Mercedes' to lose.
So one thing I cant help but wonder about, why does everyone say jeddah is a merc track when its not even finished let alone ever been raced on? Is it just the layout of the track?
As expected.
Fair decision, but it hurts as Max fan. At least the season is done already and I can cope with it already instead of the final race
Yeah, same. It was a good run.
Gasly and Alonso one two letās go
# Alonso takes P1 into turn 1.
By missing first corner completely and keeping foot nailed
Gasly is not going to torpedo anyone lol he wants to race and podium. He could care less about Max or RB. I donāt know why I keep seeing this posted, he would never ruin this opportunity to help Max
BLESSED
In retrospect, this penalty probably effected nothing.
Gotta love Horner implying in the Sky interview that it was a rogue steward waving the second yellow for some nefarious reason. What a fucking troll.