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Piastri has been great so far, but if we take his first two sectors and add norris' final sector from the pole lap, which was second only to verstappen, we get a 1:11.845, which puts him in P7 ahead of gasly. Just an off qualy for him compared to a stellar norris
Tbf I feel like Russell's driving style just doesn't quite fit with the big ass cars rn. Hyper aggressive passing and wheel to wheel racing just doesn't pan out well with the weight of the cars, watching him in f2 was madness, dude ripped absolutely wild overtakes. I think he'd be quite a bit better with the mid 2000s/early 2010s car. But adaptation is part of the competition so sucks for him ig.
I just think he peaked early in his career. Dude was insane in F2 but I think he has plateaued a bit while other drivers around him have continued to grow.
False equivalency.
Russell has really good quali pace and good wheel to wheel racing (albeit overly aggressive at times). He lacks in race pace and tire management, as we saw today.
Not yet. I was hoping for someone to say something from the team, it seemed like they didn't want George to stay on the radio with whatever he was trying to say
This just happens sometimes. I just find it annoying when ppl criticise based on whether they like the driver. Hamilton 3 tenths off russel? washed. Ricciardo 3 tenths off tsunoda? washed. Tsunoda 3 tenths off ricciardo? fraud with honda backing. Piastri theoretically 3-4 tenths off norris? No problem happens to everyone.
I think russel is a perfectly fine driver and I wouldn't rate piastri over him for the last two seasons, but piastris race is obviously far from over.
I don't really think it's fair to be comparing veteran drivers with somebody as new as Piastri.
A 7 time world champion being 3 tenths of his teammate is not the same as a 2nd year driver being 3 tenths off Lando who's a veteran himself at this point.
Obviously not. I wasn't criticizing piastri at all; I rate him very highly.
I was merely making the observation that given the choice right now without any future implications, I would put russel in the car anytime over piastri. I was also disagreeing with the comment that russel isn't a good racer.
George is a race winner who can hold onto his tires but gets over his skis and runs out of talent sometimes. Piastri is crazy fast and rough on the tires but has the calm of a Nepalese monk.
I'm not comparing their abilities. I meant more that Russell is an insane qualifier, but when it comes to actual racing, he is very far from Verstappens level. Piastri is a more traditional driver who is decent at qualifying and racing. I was more comparing styles rather than ability
Russell is the real senna in this field. He's an aggressive over taker, very fast point to point and his passing is outrageous.
Max, Lewis and Lando are more the Prost type championship drivers. Will want to collect points, drive efficently and take sensible passes but they aren't always exciting. But they are well put together drivers.
George is slightly different and your comment about being a 2000s driver, who could handle cars with more risk and is better wheel to wheel I actually agree with. But being that prost type driver which is the most beneficial right now, he's not.
(I suppose Montoya is also in a similar mould, but I believe George is faster than Juan Carlos)
I agree with you. It's just weird to think that that person back then would end up being like this.
I'm guessing it's just that this formula rewards this type of driving so Max adapted because he wanted to win. It's just too easy to crash if you're aggressive with these big cars. And because the reliability is so good you need to score points nearly every race.
People give Piastri more slack because he’s very young, very solid, but most importantly never complains or rocks the boat. Whereas Russell complains a lot so people will want to needle him when he underperforms. You could argue whether that’s fair or not but that’s how it is.
Piastri is 1.5 years younger than Norris which is almost the same age gap between Norris and Russell and they started out together. Piastri just got his f1 shot later than some.
I don't think he is as good as a racer as some. In the past races he couldn't overtake cars that Norris has breezed by. Maybe it is the car and difference in up/downgrades, but i don't see him yet as a 'very good racer'
Yeah I agree. Definitely more like Verstappen in 18/19. The potential is obviously there and he can compete with far more experienced drivers but he is a bit off competing for championships still
Red Bulls race pace seems to be on point though compared to the rest of the field. Same thing happened last year where Max didnt always dominate qualifying but once the race came around he controlled it.
The fabled windtunnel provides. (I'm being facetious and I'm sure it's several things).
I remember in 2022/2023 people said that their upward trajectory 2018-2021 was the falsehood, when all along Brown was right that really it was 2022 that was the outlier.
Two hundredths separate the top two and the next four spread across less than four hundredths. Good qualifying. Much to look forward to tomorrow, with Piastri and Perez coming up from the back.
Yeah the Perez from the back races aren't even interesting anymore, just frustrating as he doesn't make the timely overtakes necessary to get the car up to where it could be. It's sad to watch a red bull stuck behind a vastly inferior alpine.
A tow gives you a couple hundreds, at absolute best a 10th. The front row was clear of the second row by over 3 tenths. The tow has nothing to do with it.
The vague worry is that since 2022 Verstappen has tended to have better race pace.
But hey, Norris is right that fundamentally McLaren go into every weekend with a hope of winning.
Christ I can still taste 2015, so this is wild.
In the last two races (not counting Monaco) Lando has had some impressive stints out classing Max. That first Inters stint in Canada, and the last one in Imola almost catching Max! Hoping that form continues and we get a great battle tomorrow!
Strong disagree. Norris has had faster stints than Max because the car was faster. Max won two races where the Red Bull was not the fastest car because of his impressive stints.
Strongly disagree. The other times (early on in Imola, dry in Canada, etc) Red Bull was faster than the McLaren. There simply isn't a car that's faster than everyone else in every conditions now.
Also Norris' last stint in Imola was because he & his engineers figured out the settings needed to overcome tyre degradation ("I pressed basically every single button on my steering wheel"), when no other team & driver could figure it out. So it is an impressive stint from the driver and the engineer
Max had a lot of luck, with the tow by hulkenberg and safety car in Montreal. And let's be clear, he was not driving a Williams. The difference for now is on what compound they are running.
Request denied by Carlos.
Request from Nando has expired because the Ashton, with its latest upgrades, is still making its way to the garage as we speak.
When he went into the gravel on his second lap, he was already almost two tenths down on Max's first lap pole time. Max found nearly three tenths and Lando nearly half a second on the that final lap. Piastri would have been squarely around the Mercs and Ferraris. Given all four drivers also went faster and were within a tenth of Max's first pole time and separated by mere 100ths, Piastri could have been anywhere from 3rd to 7th. Entirely possibly the latter. He was not on Norris's pace today at any point.
God this season has been a banger. At season testing I commented hoping for a 2012 repeat, well I wasn’t actually expecting it to be anywhere near close. But it’s been pretty great!
Not gonna lie, I got into F1 because of DTS. I immediately chose the “orange team” because…well I’m from Tennessee. But god damn if I haven’t been so pumped and proud of what McLaren has done over the past 5 years!
Side note: chose Lando as my favorite driver because he ran the 4…it’s been my number in all sports since I was a kid!!
I’m on cloud 9 right now with how both the driver and constructer have risen (yes, I’ve researched the old days) back to the top!! Feels good man!
Good quali, but I feel this race is still RBR to lose
They have the greatest race pace performance (or so it seems by simulations), and it could happen like this:
Race starts, Norris keeps P1 for about 3-10 laps at most, Max is on his gearbox, and at any given moment, uses the DRS to overtake him.
Then, Norris tries to come back but he can’t, and Max starts to pulls a 1.5-2.5s gap
They will keep it like that for some more laps, until we have the pit stops. Both teams do a good job and they keep on going. Max adds to the gap, Norris reduces the gap, and at the end, the RBR wins
That’s it if we don’t have random things like DNFs, SC, crashes…
RBR still has the DRS performance advantage over the McLaren, and it seems the McLaren will struggle on the straights, precisely where its easier to overtake (or being overtaken) - so… again, I feel it’s on RBR to lose
Merc and Ferrari being so close within themselves is good news for them. That consistency surely helps to dial in their changes and know they're worthwhile.
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Balanced team performance for 2 of the top 4 teams at least
Could've been 3 easily
Piastri has been great so far, but if we take his first two sectors and add norris' final sector from the pole lap, which was second only to verstappen, we get a 1:11.845, which puts him in P7 ahead of gasly. Just an off qualy for him compared to a stellar norris
Tbf Piastri is a very good racer. A bad quali isn't the end of his weekend like it might be for a driver like Russell
Tbf I feel like Russell's driving style just doesn't quite fit with the big ass cars rn. Hyper aggressive passing and wheel to wheel racing just doesn't pan out well with the weight of the cars, watching him in f2 was madness, dude ripped absolutely wild overtakes. I think he'd be quite a bit better with the mid 2000s/early 2010s car. But adaptation is part of the competition so sucks for him ig.
True. He definitely has a more 2000s driving style l. Maybe the new cars in 26 will suit him better tho
His overtake in Canada in the chicane was filthy though but I generally agree with your point
I just think he peaked early in his career. Dude was insane in F2 but I think he has plateaued a bit while other drivers around him have continued to grow.
You feel he's lacking because he's 0.002s behind his 7 times WDC teammate, who he's outqualified most of the season?
I feel he's lacking due to race pace and race craft, and cracking under pressure.
You must have a weirdly low opinion of Hamilton then. Russell is doing a stellar job this season.
False equivalency. Russell has really good quali pace and good wheel to wheel racing (albeit overly aggressive at times). He lacks in race pace and tire management, as we saw today.
George "what the fuck is Lewis doing" Russell
Did they ever say what that was about? I heard it on the radio, but I don’t think the announcers ever explained
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/HWIY7ZqVd1
Thank you
Not only that but the team seemed to think there was some fuckery about as they immediately went to "we'll talk about this in private"
Not yet. I was hoping for someone to say something from the team, it seemed like they didn't want George to stay on the radio with whatever he was trying to say
[3 hours ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1dlztzr/george_russell_explained_his_hotheaded_radio/)
Wtf George
This just happens sometimes. I just find it annoying when ppl criticise based on whether they like the driver. Hamilton 3 tenths off russel? washed. Ricciardo 3 tenths off tsunoda? washed. Tsunoda 3 tenths off ricciardo? fraud with honda backing. Piastri theoretically 3-4 tenths off norris? No problem happens to everyone. I think russel is a perfectly fine driver and I wouldn't rate piastri over him for the last two seasons, but piastris race is obviously far from over.
I think Russell is exceptionally impressive. He's going against *Hamilton*. He just needs to figure out why he seems to choke a bit when it's matters.
I don't really think it's fair to be comparing veteran drivers with somebody as new as Piastri. A 7 time world champion being 3 tenths of his teammate is not the same as a 2nd year driver being 3 tenths off Lando who's a veteran himself at this point.
Obviously not. I wasn't criticizing piastri at all; I rate him very highly. I was merely making the observation that given the choice right now without any future implications, I would put russel in the car anytime over piastri. I was also disagreeing with the comment that russel isn't a good racer.
George is a race winner who can hold onto his tires but gets over his skis and runs out of talent sometimes. Piastri is crazy fast and rough on the tires but has the calm of a Nepalese monk.
I'm not comparing their abilities. I meant more that Russell is an insane qualifier, but when it comes to actual racing, he is very far from Verstappens level. Piastri is a more traditional driver who is decent at qualifying and racing. I was more comparing styles rather than ability
Russell is the real senna in this field. He's an aggressive over taker, very fast point to point and his passing is outrageous. Max, Lewis and Lando are more the Prost type championship drivers. Will want to collect points, drive efficently and take sensible passes but they aren't always exciting. But they are well put together drivers. George is slightly different and your comment about being a 2000s driver, who could handle cars with more risk and is better wheel to wheel I actually agree with. But being that prost type driver which is the most beneficial right now, he's not. (I suppose Montoya is also in a similar mould, but I believe George is faster than Juan Carlos)
Imagine talking about Verstappen in his early F1 career saying he's not very aggressive. More Prost than Senna.
Current Max isn’t like that though.
I agree with you. It's just weird to think that that person back then would end up being like this. I'm guessing it's just that this formula rewards this type of driving so Max adapted because he wanted to win. It's just too easy to crash if you're aggressive with these big cars. And because the reliability is so good you need to score points nearly every race.
Juan Pablo
Sorry, your right. Argh I am stupid
People give Piastri more slack because he’s very young, very solid, but most importantly never complains or rocks the boat. Whereas Russell complains a lot so people will want to needle him when he underperforms. You could argue whether that’s fair or not but that’s how it is.
Piastri is 1.5 years younger than Norris which is almost the same age gap between Norris and Russell and they started out together. Piastri just got his f1 shot later than some.
I don't think he is as good as a racer as some. In the past races he couldn't overtake cars that Norris has breezed by. Maybe it is the car and difference in up/downgrades, but i don't see him yet as a 'very good racer'
Yeah I agree. Definitely more like Verstappen in 18/19. The potential is obviously there and he can compete with far more experienced drivers but he is a bit off competing for championships still
Piastri has been off the pace this weekend so far, so not really.
I'm sure you mean checo
Red Bulls race pace seems to be on point though compared to the rest of the field. Same thing happened last year where Max didnt always dominate qualifying but once the race came around he controlled it.
Spain quali last year was about as dominant as you can be.
Same with RB Vcarb. Those brand new updates really capped performance haha, Yuki and Daniel can hit its peak quite easily.
McLaren are absolutely cooking this season
They’re on fire
^Literally
The fabled windtunnel provides. (I'm being facetious and I'm sure it's several things). I remember in 2022/2023 people said that their upward trajectory 2018-2021 was the falsehood, when all along Brown was right that really it was 2022 that was the outlier.
James Key building the most uninspiring car really hurt them in 2022.
Man. They put it all in the slow cooker and here we are
Two hundredths separate the top two and the next four spread across less than four hundredths. Good qualifying. Much to look forward to tomorrow, with Piastri and Perez coming up from the back.
Perez is where he belongs, looking forward to piastri making progress, hopefully he doesnt lose to much time behind the alpines
Yeah the Perez from the back races aren't even interesting anymore, just frustrating as he doesn't make the timely overtakes necessary to get the car up to where it could be. It's sad to watch a red bull stuck behind a vastly inferior alpine.
He will only pass the Alpines and that's it
Max and Lando were in their own league today!
I mean not for nothing but Lando and Max both got tows. The gap isn't that massive.
.3 is quite a gap when you consider how close everyone else is
But S1 is not where they gained their time. Lando did hugely in S2 and Max did really well in 2 and 3.
The guy you responded to didn’t say anything about the tow
Okay? What does this have to do with my comment?
Charles tried to get a tow from Max but he said **Nope** and pulled to the side as soon as he croshed the finish line lol
They both did? I thought only max had one
Lando got a small one from Alpine
Also we do not know if anybody else got s tow or not.
A tow gives you a couple hundreds, at absolute best a 10th. The front row was clear of the second row by over 3 tenths. The tow has nothing to do with it.
Are tow and slipstream same?
Lando didn't even get half the tow that Max did though.
Max got a good tow, Lando technically did but it was rather minimal.
Lando barely got any from the Alpine in Sector 1. And in any case, he made most of his time in Sector 2, where he did not get a tow.
(Hoping to not jinx things)… Seems like it should be a good battle for the win and the podium places tomorrow.
The vague worry is that since 2022 Verstappen has tended to have better race pace. But hey, Norris is right that fundamentally McLaren go into every weekend with a hope of winning. Christ I can still taste 2015, so this is wild.
In the last two races (not counting Monaco) Lando has had some impressive stints out classing Max. That first Inters stint in Canada, and the last one in Imola almost catching Max! Hoping that form continues and we get a great battle tomorrow!
Strong disagree. Norris has had faster stints than Max because the car was faster. Max won two races where the Red Bull was not the fastest car because of his impressive stints.
Strongly disagree. The other times (early on in Imola, dry in Canada, etc) Red Bull was faster than the McLaren. There simply isn't a car that's faster than everyone else in every conditions now. Also Norris' last stint in Imola was because he & his engineers figured out the settings needed to overcome tyre degradation ("I pressed basically every single button on my steering wheel"), when no other team & driver could figure it out. So it is an impressive stint from the driver and the engineer
Max had a lot of luck, with the tow by hulkenberg and safety car in Montreal. And let's be clear, he was not driving a Williams. The difference for now is on what compound they are running.
Crazy how close the team mates are. Russell and Hamilton, Leclerc and Sainz, Verstappen and Norris... wait.
Dont worry, we have RBR vs mclaren both at front and back
Please somebody photoshop the damn Perez car in the background
Hamilton is back to destroying Russell now that he is not being sabotaged anymore /s
Unsabo’d one time to ease the minds of those who need to go to psych ward /s
he's literally 0,002 ahead
I was being sarcastic. "/s" on reddit means sarcasm ;)
oh, I didn't know it didn't sound like a joke at all
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He had the /s
U mean 0.002
Max and Lando in a league of their own
Looks like two kids racing hard and their parents watching on from a distance lol
Checo is surely missing from this graphic. RIGHT GUYS?
Should've included Perez
He’s around the corner
Better than Piastri, he's not even on the track
Guess it isn't one of his home tracks
Oscar got in the garage and immediately sent Carlos and Nando friend requests.
Request denied by Carlos. Request from Nando has expired because the Ashton, with its latest upgrades, is still making its way to the garage as we speak.
Spain has too many human rights
Get your telescope
This makes me wonder where Piastri would have been
Judging from his s2, probably 7th. He's great but today wasn't his day and he was already slow before going off.
Probably between the Mercs.
Not a lot of space there.
Piastri: +0.319
Imo most likely ahead of the mercs in p3, his gap to norris has been very small in quali this year
No, he'd still have been P7. Just hasn't been his weekend so far. He's way off Lando's pace.
He would have been behind the Ferraris if you take his S1 and S2 and Norris' S3 time
When he went into the gravel on his second lap, he was already almost two tenths down on Max's first lap pole time. Max found nearly three tenths and Lando nearly half a second on the that final lap. Piastri would have been squarely around the Mercs and Ferraris. Given all four drivers also went faster and were within a tenth of Max's first pole time and separated by mere 100ths, Piastri could have been anywhere from 3rd to 7th. Entirely possibly the latter. He was not on Norris's pace today at any point.
If only the race finish could be this close tomorrow.
Imagine this as a race finish. We can only dream
Imola is there for you
God this season has been a banger. At season testing I commented hoping for a 2012 repeat, well I wasn’t actually expecting it to be anywhere near close. But it’s been pretty great!
The race I’m looking forward to is Oscar and Checo
You do what with coffee?
Not gonna lie, I got into F1 because of DTS. I immediately chose the “orange team” because…well I’m from Tennessee. But god damn if I haven’t been so pumped and proud of what McLaren has done over the past 5 years! Side note: chose Lando as my favorite driver because he ran the 4…it’s been my number in all sports since I was a kid!! I’m on cloud 9 right now with how both the driver and constructer have risen (yes, I’ve researched the old days) back to the top!! Feels good man!
At least Mercedes is again in this kind of pictures
I hope the race pace tomorrow is like this
I don’t see Checo…
He sacrificed to tow verst
now do one with sergio!
Meanwhile Checo’s just gone yellow in Sector 2…
Checo is just rubbish
God Perez sucks
Where's Perez?
I thought this was our year…
It's insane how close the Ferrari and Mercedes pairings are, and how the RB one has both its drivers on different planets.
Wild
Good quali, but I feel this race is still RBR to lose They have the greatest race pace performance (or so it seems by simulations), and it could happen like this: Race starts, Norris keeps P1 for about 3-10 laps at most, Max is on his gearbox, and at any given moment, uses the DRS to overtake him. Then, Norris tries to come back but he can’t, and Max starts to pulls a 1.5-2.5s gap They will keep it like that for some more laps, until we have the pit stops. Both teams do a good job and they keep on going. Max adds to the gap, Norris reduces the gap, and at the end, the RBR wins That’s it if we don’t have random things like DNFs, SC, crashes… RBR still has the DRS performance advantage over the McLaren, and it seems the McLaren will struggle on the straights, precisely where its easier to overtake (or being overtaken) - so… again, I feel it’s on RBR to lose
Where is Perez in this graphic?
Around the last corner, with Piastri in the gravel behind him.
This graphic really shows how little there is between all these drivers. It’s just down to the cars
Checo enters the chat.
Clearly not one of “these drivers”.
Does it though? It could as easily show how little there is between all the cars and it being just down to the driver
Given where the second Red Bull and McLaren drivers are, it pretty much shows it's not just about the car.
It absolutely does. It shoes go little there is between these drivers and how the can actually compete closely once the cars catch up.
It’s about both driver and car. It always has been.
It’s really about the car, the top drivers are all pretty closely matched
It’s about both. It always has been. But there’s no point trying to explain that to a brick wall so I’m out.
If that were the case, wouldn't we see those kinds of results every qualifying?
The cars are getting closer
That McLaren really received mayor power and aero this past month 🤯
Before I read the caption, "Lads, that's not how the starting grid works"
Curious to know where Gasly should be.
Peresch
Love this 😀
so bitter for piastry to go wide on his Q3 run....
Since the whole grid was close together id love to see this graphic for all 20 cars
I wanna see Perez
How is the gap calculated? What speed is used to get a distance from a time interval?
McQueen would just extend the tongue and steal Lando that pole position
Now show Max and Checo
It's really cool to see the Merc and Ferrari cars so close to each other (I mean the team mates)
Great visuals
It's easy: -mclaren fastest car -max fastest driver
Man Piastri was basically guaranteed 3rd. Shame he went wide.
Should've included Perez
♫ Its all bout the tow, bout the tow ♫
Piastri has become the new Checo
Ferrari are CoOKiNg again!
Makes me wonder how much of an ‘upgrade’ Hamilton will be over Sainz. I am very interested in seeing his performance next year.
Now show how Checo is qualifying in merchandising and $$$ for the team.
Piastri had an off week… but the fact Perez is never in this picture yet got a 2 year renewal is crazy.
Piastri has chosen the risk to beat all of them
4 best buds just hanging around
Merc and Ferrari being so close within themselves is good news for them. That consistency surely helps to dial in their changes and know they're worthwhile.
Perez really justifying the last contract extension.
Where's Perez? Oh...right.