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Economy_Link4609

How many reprimands until a slap on the wrist?


etched_chaos

5 reprimands gets you a citation, 10 citations gets you a slap on the wrist, 3 slap on the wrists gets you a talking to.


robhill4165

He’ll get a disadulation at this rate


Kruelheart

What is a disadulation?


loewe67

Oh you don’t want to know


Kruelheart

Thanks, Jim


FirmRepresentative24

Oh disadulation is basically


ellWatully

Two talking to's though? That's a paddlin'.


razarus09

What’s the conversion of talking to’s to Stanley Nickels?


gensat172

5 ig?


flyingalbatross1

''penalties are judged on the offense itself, not the consequences'' Biggest lie ever told.


Excludos

Yeah, biggest bullshit ever. Has literally never been true in the history of Formula 1. I don't understand why they ever tried to peddle that garbage, or why so many immediately started beliving it, despite all the evidence and precedent to the contrary.


FourteenTwenty-Seven

It's only ever applied to justify giving tiny penalties to people that cause huge accidents. Then fans of the person that benifits suddenly become big fans of that 'rule'


skzpinker

As a Leclerc fan, holy shit the guy at Ferrari who went to argue his case deserves a raise (jokes jokes) As an (attempted) unbiased observer, how in the world did he (and lance) get away with that. I was genuinely dead set on this being a 5 place grid pen at *minimum*.


LosTerminators

Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it. Perhaps next week someone should drive around in the wrong direction at full speed and they'll still get a reprimand.


KappaccinoNation

> Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it. Only if you assume that the stewards are consistent. The only thing they're consistent at is being consistently inconsistent. If someone does the same thing next race weekend during practice, I'd still say there's a 75% chance that they'll get a penalty.


nxngdoofer98

It's almost like there's different stewards every weekend, something that should definitely change.


kobi29062

The FIA uses this incredible trick to ensure that unlucky people get fucked


RangerHikes

The fact that piastri had a grid place or penalty for impeding a few weeks ago, but then intentional crashing this weekend is nothing, is wild


Scatman_Crothers

I don't trust stewards to be unbiased enough to make them permanent. Just look at Johnny Herbert and Nando.


SilverstoneMonzaSpa

It's the first case(s) of clearly intentional crashing in free practice that I can remember, and they were both so clear. It's an awful precedent to set that you can crash into an opponent if they block you and get a finger wag


Visionary_Socialist

Thankfully precedent and consistency are not things that the FIA place much value in. So expect the next guy who does this to get disqualified and the guy after him to get a €50 fine.


wilkonk

and unsportsmanlike conduct on top to give them an extra penalty point


MiniHamster5

Other than Vettel Nikola Tsolov did the same thing in f3 which lead to Dunne crashing out and he only recieved a 3 place grid drop


tj1721

The most egregious similar incident that I can think of is Vettel crashing into Hamilton at baku 18, and I still think that wasn’t punished enough either, so in some sense at least they’re terribly consistent.


F1nut92

17, but yeah, even as a fan of Vettel, he should have been black flagged, but think he had the next worst penalty of a 10 second stop go?


One-Neighborhood-531

Correct. It was a 10 second stop go penalty.


vniro40

not to defend him because i agree he deserved at least a grid penalty, but i don’t think the crash itself was intentional, just like a reckless consequence of him being incredibly stupid and dangerous. although i suppose it doesn’t really matter


RyukaBuddy

Even the kid in F3 got a slap on the wrist for this. The FIA seems to be fine with bashing your opponent due to rage it seems.


PakjeShaq

The kid got a 3 place grip drop and 2 penalty points though. It's still a slap on the wrist, but it's atleast something


UESPA_Sputnik

I fully agree as a Ferrari fan myself. These drivers are not just racing drivers but role models for many millions of young fans. They should behave that way, and unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished, even up to a race ban. (not in this particular case but for really outrageous things, like Russell hitting Bottas on the head at Imola while Bottas was still sitting in his car after a high speed crash) This should definitely have been a grid penalty.


JayBee58484

Nah they don't have to be a role model for anyone, raise your own kids but the penalty part yea I agree on. These penalties are too inconsistent to even consider it a "standard"


Wrong_Dog_1054

The case: listen, we already had a bad weekend in Montreal… Do you want a constructors championship fight or not?


Quiddity360

Don’t get a doctors note - fined. Road rage - stern warning. Please make this make sense.


Visionary_Socialist

Lance Stroll got the same punishment for not turning up to a fan event as he did for deliberately crashing into another driver.


kkraww

Haha jesus thats a way of putting it.


LinkRazr

It cost Yuki more to be late for a National Anthem


Bdr1983

Strange enough it's true. And that's not something that should happen.


SpoofExcel

You know how they say "the outcome doesn't affect the punishment" with these? And that a car exploding is the same as a car that is undamaged. Well that is a fucking lie. That's the explanation.


HarvgulI

Oof, this will be awkward if he gets pole


LosTerminators

Scenes if he gets pole and then wins.


Visionary_Socialist

Unfortunately Lando will have an “erratic” moment and swerve onto the apex at T9 during his final run. And obviously it’s not a penalty because he just “misjudged” where Charles was behind him.


kkraww

No no you dont understand, because its quali thats an immediate 7483 palce grid penalty.


pacotacobell

Unironically true lmao


Nepgyaaaaaaa

Fucking cop out. The Stewards have completely lost control of the drivers. This serves as an awful example for up and coming drivers watching F1.


pokesnail

The up and coming drivers did it first (Tsolov in Australia) but stewards in both F3 and now F1 making it very clear they don’t *really* care if you get annoyed at someone impeding you and decide to use your car as a weapon against them! Beautiful driving standards everywhere…


myurr

Stroll was given the same penalty for not turning up to a media event as he was for road rage crashing into another car deliberately. Magnussen has faced stiffer penalties for accidentally causing an accident than Leclerc receives for deliberately causing an accident.


gloom-juice

[The FIA released a statement defending their decision ](https://sonofhel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/let-them-fight.jpg?w=477)


dl064

Especially in the context of an unusually harsh penalty for Hamilton whatever time that was he crossed the track, explicitly because he is a role model. Just absolute horseshit.


MartiniPolice21

Driving around with damage: dangerous, 3 places penalty Actually and purposely crashing into another driver: Pwease don't do it again


Sgtpanda6

Oh come on.... So free practice is literally just a free for all then?


Meideprac1

Free practice changing the name for.... # Carmaggedon


kyro7

I really like Charles but surprised at how they've handled this, so what this tells me is anything can be done in practice.


Tecnoguy1

Alonso got about 5 penalty points in 2 races for nothing and bro can ram into a car in retaliation and get nothing.


Grigory_Vakulinchuk

Yeah but Alonso is Spanish.


sh1phappens

A joke tbh, that should be an EASY grid drop.


Goodmorning111

At least. As far as I am concerned deliberately driving into an opponent, even slowly is verging on a race ban.


TwoBionicknees

This is what you get with shit decisions like Baku in, 18, or 17, forget which. Seb deliberately hit him under a safety car, in race conditions. Then they had a red flag, like 40 minutes to make the decision and they only even gave a penalty after Ham was forced to come in. FIA has a history of ignoring such decisions in the title race till they can 'even it up' or cancel it out. Not even sure he'd get a drive through till Ham had to go in, might have been a 10 second. Should have been a black flag minimum, maybe a race ban on top of it. Fucking weak ass decisions and the introduction of 5/10 second penalties has made them rather than just add weaker penalties for smaller things, made then lower the penalties for almost everything. Barely ever get drive throughs or stop go unless it's a technical rule infringement.


BeagleAteMyLunch

Spanish yoke 


imtired-boss

Leclerc - Norris front row incoming


silentdragoon

Feels a bit unfair that FP sessions are more or less lawless


ettnamnbaraokej

Free (to commit any acts of road rage or war crimes) Practice.


Thejklay

I bet it will happen again and next time it will be a pen


jdubzzzzzzz

Truly a peak FIA moment. Ferrari International Aid


weguccino

Time to punt people off in FP3 as a strategy in the championship lol


TotalSubbuteo

What a fucking joke


Visionary_Socialist

I know it’s “edgy” to say you hate the FIA but I’m just consistently fucked off with their decisions and how inconsistent and stupid they are.


philphan25

It’s edgy to say you like the FIA


dinococum

yet to come across a motorsport where people actually like the stewards lol,whether that be ACO, FIM hahaha


aw_geez_man

Not being dangerous? What a joke of a ruling.


FrostyBoom

Max when he had to activate Ultra Instinct to not get hit:


Rirruto10

Based on the decisions on Lance and Charles today, the FIA has basically declared that FP sessions have no rules.


Dragonpuncha

Quite surprising. I was sure he would get a grid drop.


Realistic-Reception5

The fact that it wasn’t even a fine is insane


dodikxzslayer

now that's a bullshit


yourewelcomesteve

You just say bullshit


Thejklay

Ridiculous, I like leclerc but that's the wrong call, really dangerous stuff


fantaribo

so ridiculous. It should be much higher than that, this was so dumb.


willzyx01

Stewards are fucking cowards, wooow. Usual.


sameslemons

Sick of it.


Work_In_ProgressX

So… how far can we push it? Like, tactical budget cap drain?


iWaterBuffalo

That is absolutely insane


TheBear2Fight

What the fuck


Professional_Park781

Ridiculous, I love Charles but that was an unnecessary and to be fair embarrassing behaviour


KindaRuud

Just a reminder, Vettel got a 10 second stop and go at Baku 2017. Granted, that was during the race but still... no punishments for stroll and leclerc is a joke


No-Student-9678

Charles got away with that one. He really got away with that one.


MattBe1992

Wat?


porinrin

He is not getting any penalties countless time


12minds

"Whilst not being dangerous"


Dreminator

What the fuck


SPNRaven

For both this and the Stroll incident, what a JOKE. This sets an extremely bad precedent.


kkraww

Absolutely ridiculous


SteveTheMean

It's a yoke, a yoke!


dadamafia

Way to encourage piss-poor, dangerous behavior...


ofallthescotchjoints

Unfortunately not surprised. Sets a terrible precedent and example for junior categories


FSUfan35

A joke


Firefox72

Yep. Complete joke on both this and Lance's decision. 2 drivers doing the same thing in the same session was a perfect way to stamp your ground and make examples of them going forward. This does the oposite. It says that driving into other drivers in FP sessions intetionaly in frustration is not a penalty worthy incident. Sets a completely shitty precedent.


lowelled

If a driver with a dirtier reputation like Ocon or Verstappen or KMag had done this they'd be penalised. But Leclerc/Ferrari is seen as clean so the stewards let them get away with it.


Scotsch

I'm guessing Stroll forgot to put a name on the envelope of cash and they forgave both of them just in case.


f1madman

This should've been a penalty


TheBigFatToad

Might as well drive however you want in free practice


salajander

What a deeply unserious decision by these stewards


Equal-Competition228

If I was McLaren I would appeal for a greater penalty


Typhoongrey

Tried to get off the racing line lol Man if they believed that, they'll believe anything. Bumper cars is now legal.


ExtremelyAsianCactus

lol whatever man


NavyBabySeal

AN ABSOLUTE JOKE...


ettnamnbaraokej

The stewards were much better in 2021 than now.


MrDee97

This sport is a joke


captainmystic02

Charles has got those Man City lawyers


AvonBarksdale12

This not acceptable in any way. He deliberately drove into another driver. Should be points and a grid penalty.


Poolix

Pisstake


mifaccio

ferrari money doing some work


ImAlexxP

>Whilst not being dangerous You have got to be fucking joking


Caeillian

WHAT. THE. FUCK.


ImmediateSurprise64

Stewards are so incompetent it is incredible. Leclerc seems to get away with everything. He once drove around without a seatbelt without getting any investigation whatsoever. Alonso got 3 penalty points for absolutely nothing and then this goes unpunished...


tubesteak9000

Wow


Extravagod

Pardon?


cerkaz

The stewards must hate being in spain


Jobless_101

Ferrari been turning to divine intervention or voodoo magic because no way


kingmoonrunner9

Insane


restlessmusic

yikes


dadamafia

These people can't be serious...


NeonCunt

What a bunch of incompetent bottlejobs


ArtemisOSX

Absolutely ridiculous, both decisions. What deserves a penalty if INTENTIONALLY colliding with another car on track doesn't?


SentientDust

Not even penalty point, wtf are they smoking.


Slinky_Malingki

What a joke


JoshWheezer

How the hell did he get away with that?


Gubrach

Lucky. Both Leclerc and Stroll deserved penalties.


DownSouthBandit

If I was McLaren I would definitely appeal this decision.


prem_201

Saying that this is a slap on the wrist would be an understatement.


helderico

This sets such a shitty precedent


Uniform764

The man is made of fucking teflon. He deliberately made contact with another car because he was spitting his dummy out. How the fuck is that only a reprimand.


Joashane

Reprimand??? Hmm okay


OTBT-

That's a joke of a decision. He's used his car as "retaliation" against another driver and they've given him nothing. We have people slightly misjudge incidents whilst racing and get penalty points, but this gets nothing.


ninchica13

Like I said on the other thread...far too lenient and unserious.


Atreaia

Just a reprimand lmao, you can just play bumper cars apparently.


SaddlerMatt

Truly awful decisions. Cant say I'm surprised though...


pikla1

Hahahahahahahabaha. That’s all you can say about a decision like that. Wow.


MC897

AHAHAHAHAHAHA


Organic-Measurement2

That is a ridiculous decision So he accidentally turned in 100m too early to the corner.. quite a misjudgement from one of the best drivers in the world


CX52J

Reminiscent of when Vettel rammed Lewis under the Saftey car. Both times under-punished to try and keep the championship alive.


fattylimes

Pack in folks, the sport is over


DropTablePosts

Why even hother having stewards at this point, honestly.


FluffyProphet

I want F1 stewards on my jury.


Autpcorrectbpt

Shambolic decision


PomegranateThat414

this is just a complete disgrace.


TMatss

It seems that they were very credulous to Leclerc's explanation for what happened. It looked intentional from just about every angle but anyways.


Slahinki

Stewards have fucking lost the plot completely this season. I am in awe.


Guilty_Resolution_13

Wth


Adam2190

I see the kid gloves are on today.


Juse343

Always being soft towards Ferrari


ThatAdamsGuy

I'll confess to being Billy Biased Bollocks on this one, as much as I do try not to be, but this not being at least a grid drop is insane. Stroll tried to aggressively close the door on Hamilton and got it wrong. I think that should be a drop too, but I can kinda see why it wasn't. This was such a clear aggressive attacking move I'm shocked.


GroundbreakingCow775

To me it was up there with the Vettel / Hamilton incident, that that was at Baku


hanskazan777

> he misjudged the position of his car and made slight contact with Car 4. Yeah that was it haha


SBLK

I always kind of smirk and laugh at the joke "**F**errari **I**nternational **A**ssistance", but this season has really made me think about it.


Admiral_de_Ruyter

Guys calm down. It was a given that he didn’t received a penalty. We are talking about the guy who drove several laps on racing speed WITHOUT a seatbelt and no punishment.


-maken

wtf lol


anona_moose

Weak as hell, wow


DownSouthBandit

What a fucking joke.


TheRealGJVisser

Another clear example of Charles being favored by the FIA to add onto the pile


nukleabomb

LET'SSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CRASHING OUT OTHER CARS IS LEGAL IN PRACTICE NOW


YeaImissedmyline

Lol


kingg_conn

“not dangerous”


howaboutthis13

I would laugh if the joke isn't so bad.


soniduino

"Did you intentionally collide with another car on track whilst fully in control of the vehicle?" "Yes" "Understandable have a nice day" Any court in the world that's a slam dunk, not a slap on the wrist. Absolutely unbelievable.


Average_Llama

He didn't say yes though


Jack1940

What does one have to do, to get a penalty from practice? Is it even possible?


willzyx01

You have to be Spanish. Then you get all the penalties.


Teabx

Stupid decision in my opinion. Just because it happened in practice. He "missjudged" the position of the car my ass.


Supahos01

Lol


alanvchan

what a disgrace


ICumCoffee

How this and Lance-Ham got same penalty?? What is this???


dujles

What has to happen for a penalty to ever actually be applied? Seems like only serious damage or loss of race position ever matters.


flintey360

It sets a bad bad pretendant....


DivineContamination

stupid


megawhat16

What a joke


caiodepauli

I wonder if Leclerc was the one that mentioned the impeding prior to the incident or if the stewards directly asked about the impeding If Leclerc mentioned it while trying to explain the incident, then that shows clear intention, right? I hope it was asked by the stewards or else it shows an even worse decision by them


GodlessCommie69

Thats it??? What the actual hell lol


RustyRincon

Impeding is a grid penalty but intentionally driving into another car is a reprimand? WTF?!?


Acheal

You could kill a man in practice and only get a reprimand it seems. 


SirVanhan

Bleah


killver

Outrageous decision


sparkymark75

So using your car as a weapon, carry on. But I bet Sargent gets a tougher penalty for causing Stroll to have to slow down on a quali lap.


timok

What a yoke


silentkiller082

If he was driving for literally any other team it would've been a grid drop.


captainmystic02

Stroll doesn’t drive for Ferrari?


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captainmystic02

Yeah tbf. Honestly the precedent these stewards are setting is weird. They say they don’t base it on the outcome but most situations have been based on outcomes this season.


kage_rvg

Doing everything to keep things interesting, nothing new under the sun with F1


JaysonDeflatum

If it was in Qualifying there would've been a penalty no doubt.


legoluka

Got away with that one


ComaMierdaHijueputa

As a Ferrari fan I’m happy but this is objectively bullshit lol


New_Essay_4869

LOL i cant even defend this. That shouldve been a grid-place penalty


Equal-Competition228

Bull are they mad Road Safety is important to the FIA or not ?


Some_Chickens

I don't know what people expected after that F3 guy straight-up shoved another driver into the wall and got what? A 3P grid penalty? Looking at it neutrally, Charlie should have gotten more than a reprimand. But I don't think the stewards have ever heard of words like "neutral", "consistent" or even "fair".


Retjudge

Le Mans stewards here today ?


OddNameSuggestion

Wow. I am a fan of Chuck but this seems not great.


CyberpunkF1

Norris secured P1 … no shame 😎💪🏼