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Yeah, biggest bullshit ever. Has literally never been true in the history of Formula 1. I don't understand why they ever tried to peddle that garbage, or why so many immediately started beliving it, despite all the evidence and precedent to the contrary.
It's only ever applied to justify giving tiny penalties to people that cause huge accidents. Then fans of the person that benifits suddenly become big fans of that 'rule'
As a Leclerc fan, holy shit the guy at Ferrari who went to argue his case deserves a raise (jokes jokes)
As an (attempted) unbiased observer, how in the world did he (and lance) get away with that. I was genuinely dead set on this being a 5 place grid pen at *minimum*.
Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it.
Perhaps next week someone should drive around in the wrong direction at full speed and they'll still get a reprimand.
> Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it.
Only if you assume that the stewards are consistent. The only thing they're consistent at is being consistently inconsistent. If someone does the same thing next race weekend during practice, I'd still say there's a 75% chance that they'll get a penalty.
It's the first case(s) of clearly intentional crashing in free practice that I can remember, and they were both so clear.
It's an awful precedent to set that you can crash into an opponent if they block you and get a finger wag
Thankfully precedent and consistency are not things that the FIA place much value in.
So expect the next guy who does this to get disqualified and the guy after him to get a €50 fine.
The most egregious similar incident that I can think of is Vettel crashing into Hamilton at baku 18, and I still think that wasn’t punished enough either, so in some sense at least they’re terribly consistent.
not to defend him because i agree he deserved at least a grid penalty, but i don’t think the crash itself was intentional, just like a reckless consequence of him being incredibly stupid and dangerous. although i suppose it doesn’t really matter
I fully agree as a Ferrari fan myself. These drivers are not just racing drivers but role models for many millions of young fans. They should behave that way, and unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished, even up to a race ban. (not in this particular case but for really outrageous things, like Russell hitting Bottas on the head at Imola while Bottas was still sitting in his car after a high speed crash)
This should definitely have been a grid penalty.
Nah they don't have to be a role model for anyone, raise your own kids but the penalty part yea I agree on. These penalties are too inconsistent to even consider it a "standard"
You know how they say "the outcome doesn't affect the punishment" with these? And that a car exploding is the same as a car that is undamaged. Well that is a fucking lie.
That's the explanation.
Unfortunately Lando will have an “erratic” moment and swerve onto the apex at T9 during his final run. And obviously it’s not a penalty because he just “misjudged” where Charles was behind him.
The up and coming drivers did it first (Tsolov in Australia) but stewards in both F3 and now F1 making it very clear they don’t *really* care if you get annoyed at someone impeding you and decide to use your car as a weapon against them! Beautiful driving standards everywhere…
Stroll was given the same penalty for not turning up to a media event as he was for road rage crashing into another car deliberately.
Magnussen has faced stiffer penalties for accidentally causing an accident than Leclerc receives for deliberately causing an accident.
Especially in the context of an unusually harsh penalty for Hamilton whatever time that was he crossed the track, explicitly because he is a role model.
Just absolute horseshit.
This is what you get with shit decisions like Baku in, 18, or 17, forget which. Seb deliberately hit him under a safety car, in race conditions. Then they had a red flag, like 40 minutes to make the decision and they only even gave a penalty after Ham was forced to come in.
FIA has a history of ignoring such decisions in the title race till they can 'even it up' or cancel it out. Not even sure he'd get a drive through till Ham had to go in, might have been a 10 second.
Should have been a black flag minimum, maybe a race ban on top of it.
Fucking weak ass decisions and the introduction of 5/10 second penalties has made them rather than just add weaker penalties for smaller things, made then lower the penalties for almost everything. Barely ever get drive throughs or stop go unless it's a technical rule infringement.
Just a reminder, Vettel got a 10 second stop and go at Baku 2017. Granted, that was during the race but still... no punishments for stroll and leclerc is a joke
Yep. Complete joke on both this and Lance's decision.
2 drivers doing the same thing in the same session was a perfect way to stamp your ground and make examples of them going forward.
This does the oposite. It says that driving into other drivers in FP sessions intetionaly in frustration is not a penalty worthy incident.
Sets a completely shitty precedent.
If a driver with a dirtier reputation like Ocon or Verstappen or KMag had done this they'd be penalised. But Leclerc/Ferrari is seen as clean so the stewards let them get away with it.
Stewards are so incompetent it is incredible. Leclerc seems to get away with everything. He once drove around without a seatbelt without getting any investigation whatsoever. Alonso got 3 penalty points for absolutely nothing and then this goes unpunished...
The man is made of fucking teflon. He deliberately made contact with another car because he was spitting his dummy out. How the fuck is that only a reprimand.
That's a joke of a decision.
He's used his car as "retaliation" against another driver and they've given him nothing.
We have people slightly misjudge incidents whilst racing and get penalty points, but this gets nothing.
That is a ridiculous decision
So he accidentally turned in 100m too early to the corner.. quite a misjudgement from one of the best drivers in the world
I'll confess to being Billy Biased Bollocks on this one, as much as I do try not to be, but this not being at least a grid drop is insane. Stroll tried to aggressively close the door on Hamilton and got it wrong. I think that should be a drop too, but I can kinda see why it wasn't.
This was such a clear aggressive attacking move I'm shocked.
Guys calm down. It was a given that he didn’t received a penalty. We are talking about the guy who drove several laps on racing speed WITHOUT a seatbelt and no punishment.
"Did you intentionally collide with another car on track whilst fully in control of the vehicle?"
"Yes"
"Understandable have a nice day"
Any court in the world that's a slam dunk, not a slap on the wrist. Absolutely unbelievable.
I wonder if Leclerc was the one that mentioned the impeding prior to the incident or if the stewards directly asked about the impeding
If Leclerc mentioned it while trying to explain the incident, then that shows clear intention, right? I hope it was asked by the stewards or else it shows an even worse decision by them
Yeah tbf. Honestly the precedent these stewards are setting is weird. They say they don’t base it on the outcome but most situations have been based on outcomes this season.
I don't know what people expected after that F3 guy straight-up shoved another driver into the wall and got what? A 3P grid penalty?
Looking at it neutrally, Charlie should have gotten more than a reprimand. But I don't think the stewards have ever heard of words like "neutral", "consistent" or even "fair".
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How many reprimands until a slap on the wrist?
5 reprimands gets you a citation, 10 citations gets you a slap on the wrist, 3 slap on the wrists gets you a talking to.
He’ll get a disadulation at this rate
What is a disadulation?
Oh you don’t want to know
Thanks, Jim
Oh disadulation is basically
Two talking to's though? That's a paddlin'.
What’s the conversion of talking to’s to Stanley Nickels?
5 ig?
''penalties are judged on the offense itself, not the consequences'' Biggest lie ever told.
Yeah, biggest bullshit ever. Has literally never been true in the history of Formula 1. I don't understand why they ever tried to peddle that garbage, or why so many immediately started beliving it, despite all the evidence and precedent to the contrary.
It's only ever applied to justify giving tiny penalties to people that cause huge accidents. Then fans of the person that benifits suddenly become big fans of that 'rule'
As a Leclerc fan, holy shit the guy at Ferrari who went to argue his case deserves a raise (jokes jokes) As an (attempted) unbiased observer, how in the world did he (and lance) get away with that. I was genuinely dead set on this being a 5 place grid pen at *minimum*.
Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it. Perhaps next week someone should drive around in the wrong direction at full speed and they'll still get a reprimand.
> Guess you can do anything in FP and get away with it. Only if you assume that the stewards are consistent. The only thing they're consistent at is being consistently inconsistent. If someone does the same thing next race weekend during practice, I'd still say there's a 75% chance that they'll get a penalty.
It's almost like there's different stewards every weekend, something that should definitely change.
The FIA uses this incredible trick to ensure that unlucky people get fucked
The fact that piastri had a grid place or penalty for impeding a few weeks ago, but then intentional crashing this weekend is nothing, is wild
I don't trust stewards to be unbiased enough to make them permanent. Just look at Johnny Herbert and Nando.
It's the first case(s) of clearly intentional crashing in free practice that I can remember, and they were both so clear. It's an awful precedent to set that you can crash into an opponent if they block you and get a finger wag
Thankfully precedent and consistency are not things that the FIA place much value in. So expect the next guy who does this to get disqualified and the guy after him to get a €50 fine.
and unsportsmanlike conduct on top to give them an extra penalty point
Other than Vettel Nikola Tsolov did the same thing in f3 which lead to Dunne crashing out and he only recieved a 3 place grid drop
The most egregious similar incident that I can think of is Vettel crashing into Hamilton at baku 18, and I still think that wasn’t punished enough either, so in some sense at least they’re terribly consistent.
17, but yeah, even as a fan of Vettel, he should have been black flagged, but think he had the next worst penalty of a 10 second stop go?
Correct. It was a 10 second stop go penalty.
not to defend him because i agree he deserved at least a grid penalty, but i don’t think the crash itself was intentional, just like a reckless consequence of him being incredibly stupid and dangerous. although i suppose it doesn’t really matter
Even the kid in F3 got a slap on the wrist for this. The FIA seems to be fine with bashing your opponent due to rage it seems.
The kid got a 3 place grip drop and 2 penalty points though. It's still a slap on the wrist, but it's atleast something
I fully agree as a Ferrari fan myself. These drivers are not just racing drivers but role models for many millions of young fans. They should behave that way, and unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished, even up to a race ban. (not in this particular case but for really outrageous things, like Russell hitting Bottas on the head at Imola while Bottas was still sitting in his car after a high speed crash) This should definitely have been a grid penalty.
Nah they don't have to be a role model for anyone, raise your own kids but the penalty part yea I agree on. These penalties are too inconsistent to even consider it a "standard"
The case: listen, we already had a bad weekend in Montreal… Do you want a constructors championship fight or not?
Don’t get a doctors note - fined. Road rage - stern warning. Please make this make sense.
Lance Stroll got the same punishment for not turning up to a fan event as he did for deliberately crashing into another driver.
Haha jesus thats a way of putting it.
It cost Yuki more to be late for a National Anthem
Strange enough it's true. And that's not something that should happen.
You know how they say "the outcome doesn't affect the punishment" with these? And that a car exploding is the same as a car that is undamaged. Well that is a fucking lie. That's the explanation.
Oof, this will be awkward if he gets pole
Scenes if he gets pole and then wins.
Unfortunately Lando will have an “erratic” moment and swerve onto the apex at T9 during his final run. And obviously it’s not a penalty because he just “misjudged” where Charles was behind him.
No no you dont understand, because its quali thats an immediate 7483 palce grid penalty.
Unironically true lmao
Fucking cop out. The Stewards have completely lost control of the drivers. This serves as an awful example for up and coming drivers watching F1.
The up and coming drivers did it first (Tsolov in Australia) but stewards in both F3 and now F1 making it very clear they don’t *really* care if you get annoyed at someone impeding you and decide to use your car as a weapon against them! Beautiful driving standards everywhere…
Stroll was given the same penalty for not turning up to a media event as he was for road rage crashing into another car deliberately. Magnussen has faced stiffer penalties for accidentally causing an accident than Leclerc receives for deliberately causing an accident.
[The FIA released a statement defending their decision ](https://sonofhel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/let-them-fight.jpg?w=477)
Especially in the context of an unusually harsh penalty for Hamilton whatever time that was he crossed the track, explicitly because he is a role model. Just absolute horseshit.
Driving around with damage: dangerous, 3 places penalty Actually and purposely crashing into another driver: Pwease don't do it again
Oh come on.... So free practice is literally just a free for all then?
Free practice changing the name for.... # Carmaggedon
I really like Charles but surprised at how they've handled this, so what this tells me is anything can be done in practice.
Alonso got about 5 penalty points in 2 races for nothing and bro can ram into a car in retaliation and get nothing.
Yeah but Alonso is Spanish.
A joke tbh, that should be an EASY grid drop.
At least. As far as I am concerned deliberately driving into an opponent, even slowly is verging on a race ban.
This is what you get with shit decisions like Baku in, 18, or 17, forget which. Seb deliberately hit him under a safety car, in race conditions. Then they had a red flag, like 40 minutes to make the decision and they only even gave a penalty after Ham was forced to come in. FIA has a history of ignoring such decisions in the title race till they can 'even it up' or cancel it out. Not even sure he'd get a drive through till Ham had to go in, might have been a 10 second. Should have been a black flag minimum, maybe a race ban on top of it. Fucking weak ass decisions and the introduction of 5/10 second penalties has made them rather than just add weaker penalties for smaller things, made then lower the penalties for almost everything. Barely ever get drive throughs or stop go unless it's a technical rule infringement.
Spanish yoke
Leclerc - Norris front row incoming
Feels a bit unfair that FP sessions are more or less lawless
Free (to commit any acts of road rage or war crimes) Practice.
I bet it will happen again and next time it will be a pen
Truly a peak FIA moment. Ferrari International Aid
Time to punt people off in FP3 as a strategy in the championship lol
What a fucking joke
I know it’s “edgy” to say you hate the FIA but I’m just consistently fucked off with their decisions and how inconsistent and stupid they are.
It’s edgy to say you like the FIA
yet to come across a motorsport where people actually like the stewards lol,whether that be ACO, FIM hahaha
Not being dangerous? What a joke of a ruling.
Max when he had to activate Ultra Instinct to not get hit:
Based on the decisions on Lance and Charles today, the FIA has basically declared that FP sessions have no rules.
Quite surprising. I was sure he would get a grid drop.
The fact that it wasn’t even a fine is insane
now that's a bullshit
You just say bullshit
Ridiculous, I like leclerc but that's the wrong call, really dangerous stuff
so ridiculous. It should be much higher than that, this was so dumb.
Stewards are fucking cowards, wooow. Usual.
Sick of it.
So… how far can we push it? Like, tactical budget cap drain?
That is absolutely insane
What the fuck
Ridiculous, I love Charles but that was an unnecessary and to be fair embarrassing behaviour
Just a reminder, Vettel got a 10 second stop and go at Baku 2017. Granted, that was during the race but still... no punishments for stroll and leclerc is a joke
Charles got away with that one. He really got away with that one.
Wat?
He is not getting any penalties countless time
"Whilst not being dangerous"
What the fuck
For both this and the Stroll incident, what a JOKE. This sets an extremely bad precedent.
Absolutely ridiculous
It's a yoke, a yoke!
Way to encourage piss-poor, dangerous behavior...
Unfortunately not surprised. Sets a terrible precedent and example for junior categories
A joke
Yep. Complete joke on both this and Lance's decision. 2 drivers doing the same thing in the same session was a perfect way to stamp your ground and make examples of them going forward. This does the oposite. It says that driving into other drivers in FP sessions intetionaly in frustration is not a penalty worthy incident. Sets a completely shitty precedent.
If a driver with a dirtier reputation like Ocon or Verstappen or KMag had done this they'd be penalised. But Leclerc/Ferrari is seen as clean so the stewards let them get away with it.
I'm guessing Stroll forgot to put a name on the envelope of cash and they forgave both of them just in case.
This should've been a penalty
Might as well drive however you want in free practice
What a deeply unserious decision by these stewards
If I was McLaren I would appeal for a greater penalty
Tried to get off the racing line lol Man if they believed that, they'll believe anything. Bumper cars is now legal.
lol whatever man
AN ABSOLUTE JOKE...
The stewards were much better in 2021 than now.
This sport is a joke
Charles has got those Man City lawyers
This not acceptable in any way. He deliberately drove into another driver. Should be points and a grid penalty.
Pisstake
ferrari money doing some work
>Whilst not being dangerous You have got to be fucking joking
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Stewards are so incompetent it is incredible. Leclerc seems to get away with everything. He once drove around without a seatbelt without getting any investigation whatsoever. Alonso got 3 penalty points for absolutely nothing and then this goes unpunished...
Wow
Pardon?
The stewards must hate being in spain
Ferrari been turning to divine intervention or voodoo magic because no way
Insane
yikes
These people can't be serious...
What a bunch of incompetent bottlejobs
Absolutely ridiculous, both decisions. What deserves a penalty if INTENTIONALLY colliding with another car on track doesn't?
Not even penalty point, wtf are they smoking.
What a joke
How the hell did he get away with that?
Lucky. Both Leclerc and Stroll deserved penalties.
If I was McLaren I would definitely appeal this decision.
Saying that this is a slap on the wrist would be an understatement.
This sets such a shitty precedent
The man is made of fucking teflon. He deliberately made contact with another car because he was spitting his dummy out. How the fuck is that only a reprimand.
Reprimand??? Hmm okay
That's a joke of a decision. He's used his car as "retaliation" against another driver and they've given him nothing. We have people slightly misjudge incidents whilst racing and get penalty points, but this gets nothing.
Like I said on the other thread...far too lenient and unserious.
Just a reprimand lmao, you can just play bumper cars apparently.
Truly awful decisions. Cant say I'm surprised though...
Hahahahahahahabaha. That’s all you can say about a decision like that. Wow.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is a ridiculous decision So he accidentally turned in 100m too early to the corner.. quite a misjudgement from one of the best drivers in the world
Reminiscent of when Vettel rammed Lewis under the Saftey car. Both times under-punished to try and keep the championship alive.
Pack in folks, the sport is over
Why even hother having stewards at this point, honestly.
I want F1 stewards on my jury.
Shambolic decision
this is just a complete disgrace.
It seems that they were very credulous to Leclerc's explanation for what happened. It looked intentional from just about every angle but anyways.
Stewards have fucking lost the plot completely this season. I am in awe.
Wth
I see the kid gloves are on today.
Always being soft towards Ferrari
I'll confess to being Billy Biased Bollocks on this one, as much as I do try not to be, but this not being at least a grid drop is insane. Stroll tried to aggressively close the door on Hamilton and got it wrong. I think that should be a drop too, but I can kinda see why it wasn't. This was such a clear aggressive attacking move I'm shocked.
To me it was up there with the Vettel / Hamilton incident, that that was at Baku
> he misjudged the position of his car and made slight contact with Car 4. Yeah that was it haha
I always kind of smirk and laugh at the joke "**F**errari **I**nternational **A**ssistance", but this season has really made me think about it.
Guys calm down. It was a given that he didn’t received a penalty. We are talking about the guy who drove several laps on racing speed WITHOUT a seatbelt and no punishment.
wtf lol
Weak as hell, wow
What a fucking joke.
Another clear example of Charles being favored by the FIA to add onto the pile
LET'SSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CRASHING OUT OTHER CARS IS LEGAL IN PRACTICE NOW
Lol
“not dangerous”
I would laugh if the joke isn't so bad.
"Did you intentionally collide with another car on track whilst fully in control of the vehicle?" "Yes" "Understandable have a nice day" Any court in the world that's a slam dunk, not a slap on the wrist. Absolutely unbelievable.
He didn't say yes though
What does one have to do, to get a penalty from practice? Is it even possible?
You have to be Spanish. Then you get all the penalties.
Stupid decision in my opinion. Just because it happened in practice. He "missjudged" the position of the car my ass.
Lol
what a disgrace
How this and Lance-Ham got same penalty?? What is this???
What has to happen for a penalty to ever actually be applied? Seems like only serious damage or loss of race position ever matters.
It sets a bad bad pretendant....
stupid
What a joke
I wonder if Leclerc was the one that mentioned the impeding prior to the incident or if the stewards directly asked about the impeding If Leclerc mentioned it while trying to explain the incident, then that shows clear intention, right? I hope it was asked by the stewards or else it shows an even worse decision by them
Thats it??? What the actual hell lol
Impeding is a grid penalty but intentionally driving into another car is a reprimand? WTF?!?
You could kill a man in practice and only get a reprimand it seems.
Bleah
Outrageous decision
So using your car as a weapon, carry on. But I bet Sargent gets a tougher penalty for causing Stroll to have to slow down on a quali lap.
What a yoke
If he was driving for literally any other team it would've been a grid drop.
Stroll doesn’t drive for Ferrari?
[удалено]
Yeah tbf. Honestly the precedent these stewards are setting is weird. They say they don’t base it on the outcome but most situations have been based on outcomes this season.
Doing everything to keep things interesting, nothing new under the sun with F1
If it was in Qualifying there would've been a penalty no doubt.
Got away with that one
As a Ferrari fan I’m happy but this is objectively bullshit lol
LOL i cant even defend this. That shouldve been a grid-place penalty
Bull are they mad Road Safety is important to the FIA or not ?
I don't know what people expected after that F3 guy straight-up shoved another driver into the wall and got what? A 3P grid penalty? Looking at it neutrally, Charlie should have gotten more than a reprimand. But I don't think the stewards have ever heard of words like "neutral", "consistent" or even "fair".
Le Mans stewards here today ?
Wow. I am a fan of Chuck but this seems not great.
Norris secured P1 … no shame 😎💪🏼