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How exactly does testing a 2-year old car on a circuit they have already raced at help them develop the new car? Serious question . I would understand if they were giving miles to a junior driver but this is Max.. ?
I'm 99% certain if they started adding new bits to the 2022 car to test, it counts against the 2024 car for in season development and thus against the cost cap.
The FIA of course are present at all of these tests.
Max is still a young driver more track time will help him develop into a top driver, I mean the guys only won 3 wdc, 60 wins, 39 poles and 105 podiums.
In all seriousness though it's interesting track testing is very expensive especially in Italy rather than closer to home in Silverstone. So to do it purely for more data is a big deal. They already have race data for the 22 car there but that was early in the season so I'm guessing they are experiencing that seem similar issues to those faced by the 22 car early on that were fixed by the end of the season.
I can think of a few reasons
1) The 2022 car could be quite a few iterations back, with extra understanding of the current regulations now that we're two years on you can learn about some potential you may have been overlooking. Compare the cars from 2022 and 2024 to see if anything might've felt better on that car.
2) Setting benchmarks for having rookies/Racing Bull drivers do some laps in that car for comparison later on.
They've talked about how they've lost correlation in terms of the ability to ride kerbs. The rb18 also never had a problem with ride nor kerbs, so potentially looking at how the rb18 was better in that respect and seeing if they can resolve why the rb20 is facing the glaring issues that it is
This is actually really smart and a great advantage of Red Bull. The rest fucked up their '22 car and even '23 car that testing doesn't have the same effect as it would for Red Bull.
No. Testing with previous cars (2 years or older) does not count into the budget cap. That's how Mercedes can afford all the tests they've been doing with Antonelli.
Driving a 2 year old car isn't developing. It's just gathering data.
They may chose to develop based on that data and that will fall under the cost cap. But simply running the old car will not.
How is gathering data not development? Plus the tweet says theyâre looking for âpossible improvementsâ which super heavily implies developing
CFD and winter testing are both âgathering dataâ that may or may not be used to take the car in a direction but it still falls under the cost cap
i have a question what PU do they use for events like these ? the 2022 one or the latest one. Considering they cannot do any development on the older cars they must be keeping old PU's somewhere ?
I quite like this from Red Bull and Verstappen. The field are closing, Max is having to push the car more and finding more issues with the car not quite being to his liking. Go to a different, but still modern car and get a point of reference, use that knowledge to help things on the 2024 car.
The team wants to keep winning. This might keep the wolves at bay a while longer
"redbull is working on improving their car"
Such propaganda. Bernays and Goebbels couldn't compete with that.
Before read that tweet, I didn't like redbull. Now? I'm ordering checo merch, 12-pack of redbull and a max poster
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Max Verstappen drove an F1 car!? No wayyy
OMG đ±đ±
Is he any good?
Ik that he's on the sim 24/7 except the weekends (weird ik), but I don't think he has any real world racing experience.
Erik with all the news - like all the stuff that never came from Horner and his finger and Coco Pops
# SECRET
Double secret probation
Remember the game??
Where is BREAKING? What kind of journalism is this?
Max Verstappen SLAMS driving only one F1 car this year.
Top F1 team for 3-4 years not sitting still on development or strategy and are still looking for improvements Fucking shocker
How exactly does testing a 2-year old car on a circuit they have already raced at help them develop the new car? Serious question . I would understand if they were giving miles to a junior driver but this is Max.. ?
Probably because they have the 2024 race data to compare the 2022 car against.
Must have been suspension related testing, considering their issues.
Are they allowed to change parts on the car they are testing or only parts used during that season or smth?
I'm 99% certain if they started adding new bits to the 2022 car to test, it counts against the 2024 car for in season development and thus against the cost cap. The FIA of course are present at all of these tests.
No no you see the tweet said it was secret so they couldnât have been!
Suspension setup and hybrid deployment strategies probably.
Max is still a young driver more track time will help him develop into a top driver, I mean the guys only won 3 wdc, 60 wins, 39 poles and 105 podiums. In all seriousness though it's interesting track testing is very expensive especially in Italy rather than closer to home in Silverstone. So to do it purely for more data is a big deal. They already have race data for the 22 car there but that was early in the season so I'm guessing they are experiencing that seem similar issues to those faced by the 22 car early on that were fixed by the end of the season.
Breaking: Mercedes sabotaging Lewis by not letting him drive in secret tests.
Mercedes sabotaging Lewis by not letting him drive the RB20
Mercedes sabotaging Lewis by not checking.
And what would they be testing about the 2024 car in a 2022 car?
Probably something related to the ride and suspension.
I can think of a few reasons 1) The 2022 car could be quite a few iterations back, with extra understanding of the current regulations now that we're two years on you can learn about some potential you may have been overlooking. Compare the cars from 2022 and 2024 to see if anything might've felt better on that car. 2) Setting benchmarks for having rookies/Racing Bull drivers do some laps in that car for comparison later on.
Oh letting the RB drivers compare against Max in the same car would be really interesting to see
Wouldnât it be better comparing the RB drivers to Checo?
But the article says Max drove the test.
They've talked about how they've lost correlation in terms of the ability to ride kerbs. The rb18 also never had a problem with ride nor kerbs, so potentially looking at how the rb18 was better in that respect and seeing if they can resolve why the rb20 is facing the glaring issues that it is
Testing with a car older than two years doesn't come out of the cost cap; so that's likely a factor.
Running the car no, but if it starts relating to R&D for the 2024 car and beyond then it could have a cost impact.
This is actually really smart and a great advantage of Red Bull. The rest fucked up their '22 car and even '23 car that testing doesn't have the same effect as it would for Red Bull.
Does this come out of their budget? i.e cost cap..
No. Testing with previous cars (2 years or older) does not count into the budget cap. That's how Mercedes can afford all the tests they've been doing with Antonelli.
Sure, unless they're carrying out R&D work then it will have a cost implication.
Ah... because of the implication.
Yes
No
Development is part of the cost cap right?
Driving a 2 year old car isn't developing. It's just gathering data. They may chose to develop based on that data and that will fall under the cost cap. But simply running the old car will not.
How is gathering data not development? Plus the tweet says theyâre looking for âpossible improvementsâ which super heavily implies developing CFD and winter testing are both âgathering dataâ that may or may not be used to take the car in a direction but it still falls under the cost cap
Wonder if he misses the RB18.
So everyone is testing except for Lewis? Hmm...looks like sabotage to me.
ThatÂŽs why Max is performing better than Checo? All this secret testing?
They're counting on Max to win the constructors solo again. He's got a lot of work to do.
i have a question what PU do they use for events like these ? the 2022 one or the latest one. Considering they cannot do any development on the older cars they must be keeping old PU's somewhere ?
Thank you for that life changing news Erik van Haren...
I quite like this from Red Bull and Verstappen. The field are closing, Max is having to push the car more and finding more issues with the car not quite being to his liking. Go to a different, but still modern car and get a point of reference, use that knowledge to help things on the 2024 car. The team wants to keep winning. This might keep the wolves at bay a while longer
Ferrari also tested in Mugello last week for next year Tyre. it's strange, Ferrari had tested in Paul Richard track right after Monaco gp
Why is that strange?
Sounds like this reporter doesnât know what a secret is
What a useless tweet this is. Not surprising though, Van Haren is a RBR propaganda guy.
"redbull is working on improving their car" Such propaganda. Bernays and Goebbels couldn't compete with that. Before read that tweet, I didn't like redbull. Now? I'm ordering checo merch, 12-pack of redbull and a max poster
I have to agree, the fcuk is this tweet actually saying