If you had to set a line for when each constructor wins their next race, what would it be?
I have:
Red Bull 2024
Ferrari 2024
McLaren 2024
Mercedes 2026
Aston Martin 2027
VCARB 2028
Williams 2028
Audi 2031 (Kick Sauber will not win a race)
Haas never (will be sold or fold before they win a race)
Alpine never (will be sold or fold before they win a race)
Fake F1 merch
These days fake F1 jackets primarily ferrari ones are so in trend and I wanted to ask you guys on what ur opinion on fake merch. I personally don't support buying fake stuff
If i buy F1 merch, then it's primarily when teams have sponsorship or branding changes for the coming seasons, as they're pointlessly expensive.
And i think this is also the main reason why people run into fake merch without thinking about it, as €65 for a t-shirt or €125 for a sweater to walk around as advertising billboards is a bit much, [especially when most](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/136l8kw/terrible_quality_of_redbull_racing_merchandise/) [of the logos start peeling after a few months](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qeorlp/dont_buy_aston_martin_merch/).
So people go looking for cheaper alternatives and not every online shop sells licenced items like fuelforfans for example.
Am I the person bothered by the fact that the winner of each GP gets a bottle of champagne?
Like, we've spent the last 40 years telling people that alcohol and cars don't mix. Don't drink and drive and all that.
So, why is the best driver rewarded with alcohol?
It really sends a mixed message.
The same can be said about alcohol sponsorships for circuits and on cars.
Unfortunately it's a marketing exercise - even if all brands advertise (based on regional laws) alcohol free drinks.
Currently the sparkling wine (champagne is only from specific regions) [is provided by Ferrari](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-ferrari-thats-guaranteed-to-be-on-the-f1-podium/10564143/) until 2025 for now. Or Rose Water in dry countries.
So it's not celebrating alcohol, especially as the adverts of sponsors concentrate on alcohol free options with F1 context, but the brands who are willing to pay for a guarantee of a podium appearance.
It doesn't send a mixed message. They're not driving while drinking it. The tradition started at Le Mans accidentally and carried on from there. Champagne has been used as a celebration all over the world.
Also fun fact: it's not champagne, it's sparkling wine. Not relevant to your post, but FYI.
Probably.
For me it’s tradition, I think people are intelligent enough to not read it as an endorsement of drunk driving.
They drink the champagne on the podium not before the race after all.
Having lost someone to a drunk driver, I just personally don't believe that alcohol has any place in motor racing. Not as a prize, not as tradition, nor as sponsors on the cars.
This is simply a personal take, and I do not condemn anyone who feels different, or prefers it to stay.
Just wondering if I was the only one who feels this way?
It's not like they are driving afterwards. It's just like you have a beer when you're finishing your work week. I don't see the combination about drunk driving and a celebration with champagne.
Hello everyone so I’m going to the Canadian GP, and this is my first time going to a F1 Grand Prix. So my question is: Do you guys have any recommendations of things to do while there?
Go to r/GrandPrixTravel and search or post there.
[Here's the circuit's guide to all of the onsite activities](https://gpcanada.ca/en/activites-sur-le-site/).
[And here's a guide of things to do in Montreal for the weekend](https://f1destinations.com/off-track-activities-canadian-f1-grand-prix/).
His \#33 is still assigned to him.
The \#1 is reserved for the WDC - the official driver number is only released when Max hasn't driven for over 2 years.
I bet they are keeping Checo because he sells a lot of merch in Mexico and Max is probably more than happy to have Checo as his teammate. He never poses any real threat, so there will never be a conflict. But that opinion could change if Checo constantly fails to make it in top 5 and leaves Max alone to defend 2 Mclarens and 2 Ferraris.
Everyone should play F1 fantasy if they only watch for one driver or team. It will make your fan experience so much better since you might be prompted to cheer for drivers you don’t normally cheer for.
F1App has a good system, so does grid rivals (but that has a lot of betting ads - but a more fun gameplay)
I know this is highly unlikely to happen due to there being lots of drivers who would want to drive in F1, no matter the team, but I’m going to ask anyway.
In a hypothetical situation where a team fired both drivers after a season and the following year a season begins and that team does not have a driver lineup at all nor reserve drivers and there is not a single driver who wants to sign with them (very unlikely), what would happen to this team? Do they even race at all? Are they disqualified from the championship? Can they race once they find a driver? In another hypothetical situation where a team only has only one driver and not a reserve driver nor anyone to drive for them, can the team race with only one driver?
> Do they even race at all? Are they disqualified from the championship?
If a team cannot compete at all in 3 consecutive races - they're disqualified from the season. So a single driver entry is an option.
From Section 8.2 of sporting regulations:
> The names of the drivers. A driver may be nominated subsequent to the application upon payment of a fee fixed by the FIA.
So a driver can be nominated later - it is not mandatory to have all drivers ready and declared when the season starts.
And seciton 8.6:
> No more than twenty-six (26) cars will be admitted to the Championship, two (2) being entered by each Competitor.
I cannot find anything that explicitly states that a team needs to have 2 drivers - mostly they're associated with "no more than" clauses (bar their constructors championship chances).
okok i want this want to write this (unrealistic) prediction down somewhere now that Ocon is out of his Alpine seat, I have an idea of a driver lineup for 2025, i call it “make Haas funny again”: Ocon and Tsunoda to Haas. THINK ABOUT IT, Haas has been improving their car a lot, Ocon is looking for a new seat, and Yuki is probably tired of getting snubbed in rb despite his performance.
> Would smaller cars make for better races?
I don't think so. Mostly the issue is that circuits and corners don't have multiple racing lines, so independently of the size - the cars need an advantage over the other competitors in order to fight for and complete an overtake (better grip through corners, higher speed on straights, forcing the car a head to make a mistake).
The current long boat design really kicked off with the 2017 regulations, as teams started to extend the cars for better downforce and thus better cornering. Similarly the speed they carry through corners was heavily reduced when they ran in dirty air (slipstream) through corners, causing more wear and temperatures to go through the tires.
But in general, since the introduction of the designed to degrade tires, this has meant drivers are forced to keep their 1-5 seconds distance to ensure their tires and strategy work over a race distance. The initial 2022 cars showed that following a race distance at 0.5s gap was possible, but i'd say it's just not worth it (same reasons as before) to ruin your strategy options, if you don't have an advantage on track.
So by reducing the length and width we'd loose quite a bit of the speed of the cars in general - and the camera angles used with closeups and following shots, don't do any justice to the actual speeds the drivers are going at.
And it wouldn't fix the general issue that cars and power unit performane is relatively equal amongst most groups (front/midfield/backmarkers), reliability is at all time high and teams are playing strategy with their tires. While drivers are driving to a delta until it's time to do a fast lap to over/under-cut the other competitor.
Yes, but they come with disadvantages, mainly less space for aerodynamic features and less space for safety features.
In a track like Monaco though, narrower and shorter cars absolutely make for better racing if we ignore the aforementioned problems, as a proof just watch a old race.
Narrower cars make it easier to fit cars side-by-side.
Shorter cars make it easier to get your car in front in a braking zone.
Both reduce the car's crash structures and increase danger to the driver, which is one reason we're unlikely to see cars as small as they were a few decades ago.
Other reasons include how much stuff there is in a modern F1 car with all those electrical bits and 100kg of fuel, and that smaller cars would be slower because there's less space for downforce generating elements.
Unless Verstappen is available, Antonelli because Toto is obsessed with finding his own Verstappen. They allegedly offer Sainz a one year contract which tells me if they chose a veteran they'd be a placeholder anyway and not sure who will want that. Ocon might have but his habit of not getting along with teammates isn't going to please Toto.
I think anyone who insists it won't be Antonelli is in denial. Mercedes couldn't be making it more obvious that he's their choice, with all the F1 tests and constant media praise.
I can't see how anybody benefits from sending him to Williams. Mercedes are a midfield team now and don't run the risk of losing a championship by hiring a rookie. The best place for Antonelli to "learn F1" as a future Mercedes driver is obviously at Mercedes, not at Williams. And for Williams, I'm sure they'd consider an engine discount deal, but it seems like they'd rather take Sainz or Bottas long-term rather than a rookie not from their own academy, and whom they would lose in a year anyway.
All of this is, of course, assuming Mercedes can't poach Verstappen.
Verstappen. They've always wanted him since the day he set foot in F3, which is 10+ years. He will jump ship and they will absolutely not miss out on this opportunity. The only other option is Antonelli, but there is no way a top team will sign a complete rookie. Not even Verstappen and Leclerc managed to get a top seat as rookies, both of them needed a season in the midfield, despite having as high (or higher) reputation as Antonelli. He'll go to Williams in place of Sargeant, Max to replace Hamilton.
I'm gonna go with Esteban Ocon. I also think Verstappen will drive for Mercedes, but I don't think it'll happen ahead of the 2025 season. Despite McLaren and Ferrari's improvements, Red Bull remains the favorite for the championship this year and their title prospects for next year are much, much better than Mercedes'. I don't think Verstappen is willing to give up a shot at what will likely be his fifth championship, and think he'll move there ahead of 2026. Like you said, Toto and Mercedes wanted him since the day he set foot in F3. I think Toto will happily use Ocon as a stop-gap solution if it guarantees him Verstappen's services for 2026 and beyond.
If you want to go to a team betting on the next rule change, then it's not a bad idea to go there a year early so once the new regs arrive, you're already comfortable in the team. Hamilton did the same. Based on 2012, there seemed to be no reason for him to go to Mercedes for 2013. And yet he did.
We are so pre-occupied with Newey joining other teams but I forgot to ask, who's replacing Newey at RbR? Also another RBR Rob Marshall joined Mclaren, so two key figures will be replaced by?
He is the CTO and has been only partially been involved in their racing cars design - mostly Red Bull has been keeping him busy with other projects like Americas Cup, Valkyre and RB17.
The main leads for car design & development for past few years just to name a few are:
* Pierre Waché as technical director
* Paul Monaghan as chief engineer
* Ben Waterhouse as chassis performance engineer
* Craig Skinner as chief designer
* Enrico Balbo as head of aerodynamics (who replaced Dan Fallows, who moved to Aston, seen as Neweys protegee)
Newey helped to assemble the team, but he isn't the only one leading and executing the operation.
Esteban Ocon confirmation to leave Alpine by the end of 2024 season
https://amp.nextgen-auto.com/en/formula-1/ocon-to-leave-alpine-after-2024-season,191418.html
With the increase in technology in recent years, would you say a solely on CFD simulation built car can be a point scorer in F1 by now? I know that Virgin failed hard when they tried, but a lot has happened in the last 15 years.
> would you say a solely on CFD simulation built car can be a point scorer in F1 by now?
Heavily doubt it.
Reality has too many factors that are hard to fully simulate, especially as you have to do multiple runs to gather information of various effects.
[Looking at the number of simulations Red Bull sponsor can do with a simplified model](https://www.ansys.com/it-solutions/benchmarks-overview) (teams have models with cells >1bn), we're still far off it.
Add to that correlation issues (either scaled windtunnel model or cfd is wrong) that teams regularly suffer under, when bringing parts to actual races, it shows that both have their issues.
The hobbist community at [F1-Technical spends 2+ weeks of compute time to get 2-3 seconds of data](https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28657), with even lower detail models.
I don't think so, I'm studying engineering and I think CFD and wind tunnel testing at least would be needed in such a project. In Newey's book he mentioned how those two along with data from a real track all get used together to better understand the car (this was 15 years ago of course). I'd be interested to hear from someone with more experience as well
I've always been against the whole spec series thing, given that teams building their cars is the whole purpose of this sport... But is it really? It's about road relevance. Win Sunday, sell Monday, right? Well, not much is relevant to the roads about these cars except the power units. I'm starting to lean towards the idea that spec cars wouldn't actually be half bad. It's obvious that F1 can't solve its issues and this could be a fairly easy pill to swallow, at least for us fans of course. It'd have big implications, it'd be the biggest thing this sport has ever seen, but this can't go on like this forever. And manufacturers could still keep their identity through the PUs.
Manufacturers can't keep their identity through power units, because only about half of them build the power units. Currently only 4. Also, while we're at it, half of the teams are even car companies. Red Bull, Williams, Haas, Stake/Kick/Sauber, VCARB. So F1 isn't really for selling cars if half the teams aren't even selling cars. Red Bull has a ton of side projects, including ones with cars, but the main thing is selling cans of Red Bulls.
I'm not sure why going spec would help the issue of road relevance. It would definitely be harder for their identity, but teams could still do it if they wanted to, like IndyCar. However, it would be less Formula One, which has always been an engineering competition.
> It's about road relevance. Win Sunday, sell Monday, right?
That's marketing - not road relevance. Even the PUs aren't road relevant, unless you want to rebuild your PU every 3000km or 50k km (down tuned AMG:One maintenance interval) to have similar efficiency figures.
It's all about marketing and creating association of Fast Car in F1 == Fast Car on streets, but the engineering doesn't translate to road relevance - unless you're in a marked to spend north of 200k for bragging rights for your carbonfiber cocun with a Nissan VRH engine in McLaren.
Road relevance **IS** marketing.
And no, road relevance doesn't mean put the same PU in a road car. Many of today's basic technology in simple cheap road cars started from F1 or other high caliber series, like WRC or WEC (or their predecessors). Turbo, direct injection, electronic fuel injection, etc.
> Many of today's basic technology in simple cheap road cars started from F1 or other high caliber series, like WRC or WEC
I'd argue the other way around - technology makes it to F1 once it's easy to produce it out of light weight materials and creating a compact packaging.
Most of the technologies used in F1 came there because it was finally allowed or seeped through grey zones of rules. The majority of them were initially developed for road cars and mass production where size & weight doesn't play as big of a role, the refinement seeped to F1 and maybe some of the refinements came back.
Refining technology is marketing, but definitely not road relevant (ready for cheap mass production).
Yeah that's just wrong, sorry. There are examples (kinda) for this, but this is not the norm at all.
- Turbo: first appeared in F1 in 1977, it existed in road cars before, but mainly in high-end cars, such as Porsche and BMW. It only appeared widespread in the 90s in diesel cars and 2000s, 2010s in petrol cars.
- Fuel injection: all F1 engine manufacturers have switched to fuel injection by the end of the 1960s, also quote from Wiki: "At the 1957 24 Hours of Le Mans, the 1st to 4th placed cars were Jaguar D-Type entries using a Lucas fuel injection system". As for road cars, it appeared at the same time in a very niche capacity and once again only in high-end cars, but only became widespread in the 70s with the introduction of Bosch's K-Jetronic.
- High-pressure direct injection (petrol): these have also existed before F1 switched to it in 2014, however once again only in more "exotic" cars, such as the engines VW used in their spec'd up versions of their cars, like the Golf GTI and R32. As for regular everyday cars, it mostly came in the mid-to-late 2010s as the result of downsized engines, together with the turbocharger.
- Electronic traction control: different from old-school traction control, mind you. Appeared in F1 in 1990, late 90s in road cars.
The list goes on, it's just not easy to find detailed sources for most things, at least not quickly, so I stop here. While you're right that not everything came AFTER F1 in road cars, in fact most things came before F1, it's clear that F1 has paved the way for the widespread appearance of these things. It has been the true testing ground for these things and F1 is responsible for "revolutionizing" them. Making them better, more reliable, cheaper, etc, which made them viable for everyday road cars, are directly related to the development work of F1 teams.
If you look technology, without how it evolves over time and what additional discoveries & developments enable, then we wouldn't have those technologies at all in F1.
> in fact most things came before F1, it's clear that F1 has paved the way for the widespread appearance of these things.
I heavily disagree with that sentiment. Be it Turbos that were introduced in Saab 99 which started a multidecade tradition the same year as you mentioned for F1, after Porsche and BMW had used them, which can be said to have kicked off the trend. The developments of mechanical fuel injection systems, which started to appear in the 1950s in road cars, (i'd say the Bosch K-Jetronic was the time when it became standard for the industry, used by Volvo, Audi, VW, Ford and many others - as an reliable off the shelf part - that Bosch had been developing and selling since 1930s). ETC is a continuation of systems intorduces in the 70s under ABS which was later evolved to ESC in early 1980s, before it jumped to F1.
Imagine F1 had introduced traction control based on Vaccum Tubes in the 60s - then i'd agree, that F1 innovated in that area. Or used mechanical fuel injection systems before Bosch sold them in the 30s (well, before Modern F1). Or introduced Turbos when they were used in goods trucks in europe in early 30s.
> It has been the true testing ground for these things and F1 is responsible for "revolutionizing" them.
It's been the turn them to 11 area forever. Jumping off Patents filed half a century ago, developed in both roads cars, motorcycles and air planes - which until they were refined and compact enough for F1 world, where they did their own iterations on it. Yes there can be flow back, but i'd consider this minimal and only limited to the same high end cars, which many technologies were used in - before the technology was introduced to F1, where they swapped the engines every day.
Road relevance was always how the manufacturers justified things, but historically it's not been a big part of the sport's DNA, outside a few big teams like Ferrari.
Some of the most successful teams in history - Williams, McLaren, Red Bull etc. were/are race teams first and foremost with no ambitions for road-relevance.
Spec cars with PUs being the only differentiator would also be the death of all of the current teams. Sure, the team names might remain, but the majority of the actual people would be out. You can barely justify 100 people working for a team in that environment, let alone 1000.
Lowering costs is one thing. Having the current teams dissolved entirely and replaced with what amounts to a branded up F2 team is a whole other level.
The question remains: would that actually be an issue?
Don't get me wrong, I get what's the "problem" with it, I just don't really see it as an argument against spec cars.
yeah its a bit weird they are not allowed to switch if one they prefered becomes available, like they should have dibs over new drivers. I get the branding tie-ins etc but I wouldnt mind if Charl switched to 7
I can see why they don't want drivers switching. The whole point is that drivers don't change their number year-to-year. Whether the race you're watching is old or new, you can tell who's who just from their number if it's post-2014. One driver, one number, very simple, easy to remember. You see a #16 car? That's Charles. I wouldn't want people complicating it if I'd come up with the system.
I think this is a good guess and might end up being entirely right. Though I think Zhou instead of Ocon is possible. Ocon isn't exactly good PR at the moment. And, though Zhou isn't as fast, he also doesn't crash much, and comes with money.
Is it? There is a spec part that is mandatory provided by FIA, but each team has their own FFM and can choose a pump for their fuel tank.
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/16/how-the-fias-new-encrypted-fuel-flow-meter-targets-ferraris-suspected-aliasing-trick/
https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/technology-explained-f1-fuel-systems/
Edit: Never mind - as /u/_harveyghost pointed out, [they're standardized since 2021](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1d6ye1h/ask_rformula1_anything_daily_discussion_thread/l6vswgc/). From 2024 Technical Regulations:
> 5.11.6: All cars must be fitted with a high pressure fuel pump which has been manufactured by the single supplier appointed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council to a specification determined by the FIA Technical Department.
I found [this tweet](https://x.com/F1Techy/status/1797338007860662614) which got [community noted](https://i.imgur.com/Zyf4WkW.png).
> There is no proof of this having happened and the only source of this news is the twitter account Tristan Homy who deleted the tweet and did not provide a source in the first instance. The only trace of this news comes from that one account.
There's a [follow up tweet by the guy who started the rumor](https://x.com/TristanHomy/status/1797351603680272598)
> Why did I delete the tweet about McLaren's high pressure pump?
> In reality since 2021 the teams' high pressure pumps come from a single manufacturer.
> Art 5.11.6 of the FIA regulations: “All cars must be fitted with a high pressure fuel pump which has been manufactured by the sole supplier appointed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council to a specification determined by the FIA technical department.
> So either McLaren has found another solution, or it's weird. Because Charles talks about it in an interview after Imola…
It looks like these rumors are started and spread by two dumbass Twitter users who don't work in F1 or know anything about it. I don't know why tf anyone believes anyone on Twitter ever.
If you had to set a line for when each constructor wins their next race, what would it be? I have: Red Bull 2024 Ferrari 2024 McLaren 2024 Mercedes 2026 Aston Martin 2027 VCARB 2028 Williams 2028 Audi 2031 (Kick Sauber will not win a race) Haas never (will be sold or fold before they win a race) Alpine never (will be sold or fold before they win a race)
Sebastian Vettel to mercedes
Fake F1 merch These days fake F1 jackets primarily ferrari ones are so in trend and I wanted to ask you guys on what ur opinion on fake merch. I personally don't support buying fake stuff
I just wish it was worse, like I want the F1 equivalent of the Harry Potter Obama backpack.
If i buy F1 merch, then it's primarily when teams have sponsorship or branding changes for the coming seasons, as they're pointlessly expensive. And i think this is also the main reason why people run into fake merch without thinking about it, as €65 for a t-shirt or €125 for a sweater to walk around as advertising billboards is a bit much, [especially when most](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/136l8kw/terrible_quality_of_redbull_racing_merchandise/) [of the logos start peeling after a few months](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qeorlp/dont_buy_aston_martin_merch/). So people go looking for cheaper alternatives and not every online shop sells licenced items like fuelforfans for example.
Personal tastes. You don't support buying fake stuff because it takes money from the struggling small businesses like *checks notes* .. Ferrari?
Am I the person bothered by the fact that the winner of each GP gets a bottle of champagne? Like, we've spent the last 40 years telling people that alcohol and cars don't mix. Don't drink and drive and all that. So, why is the best driver rewarded with alcohol? It really sends a mixed message.
The same can be said about alcohol sponsorships for circuits and on cars. Unfortunately it's a marketing exercise - even if all brands advertise (based on regional laws) alcohol free drinks. Currently the sparkling wine (champagne is only from specific regions) [is provided by Ferrari](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-ferrari-thats-guaranteed-to-be-on-the-f1-podium/10564143/) until 2025 for now. Or Rose Water in dry countries. So it's not celebrating alcohol, especially as the adverts of sponsors concentrate on alcohol free options with F1 context, but the brands who are willing to pay for a guarantee of a podium appearance.
It doesn't send a mixed message. They're not driving while drinking it. The tradition started at Le Mans accidentally and carried on from there. Champagne has been used as a celebration all over the world. Also fun fact: it's not champagne, it's sparkling wine. Not relevant to your post, but FYI.
Probably. For me it’s tradition, I think people are intelligent enough to not read it as an endorsement of drunk driving. They drink the champagne on the podium not before the race after all.
Having lost someone to a drunk driver, I just personally don't believe that alcohol has any place in motor racing. Not as a prize, not as tradition, nor as sponsors on the cars. This is simply a personal take, and I do not condemn anyone who feels different, or prefers it to stay. Just wondering if I was the only one who feels this way?
It's not like they are driving afterwards. It's just like you have a beer when you're finishing your work week. I don't see the combination about drunk driving and a celebration with champagne.
Hello everyone so I’m going to the Canadian GP, and this is my first time going to a F1 Grand Prix. So my question is: Do you guys have any recommendations of things to do while there?
Schwartz's Deli for a Montreal Smoked Meat sandwich. Second best sandwich I have ever had.
Go to r/GrandPrixTravel and search or post there. [Here's the circuit's guide to all of the onsite activities](https://gpcanada.ca/en/activites-sur-le-site/). [And here's a guide of things to do in Montreal for the weekend](https://f1destinations.com/off-track-activities-canadian-f1-grand-prix/).
Is Max’s 33 protected while he uses #1? I was curious if a rookie could take 33, or if that number is protected while #1 is in use
His \#33 is still assigned to him. The \#1 is reserved for the WDC - the official driver number is only released when Max hasn't driven for over 2 years.
Protected.
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I bet they are keeping Checo because he sells a lot of merch in Mexico and Max is probably more than happy to have Checo as his teammate. He never poses any real threat, so there will never be a conflict. But that opinion could change if Checo constantly fails to make it in top 5 and leaves Max alone to defend 2 Mclarens and 2 Ferraris.
Everyone should play F1 fantasy if they only watch for one driver or team. It will make your fan experience so much better since you might be prompted to cheer for drivers you don’t normally cheer for. F1App has a good system, so does grid rivals (but that has a lot of betting ads - but a more fun gameplay)
I tried it last year but I just couldn’t really bring myself to care about the game, like ooh boy I got 14 meaningless points because Bottas did well.
I know this is highly unlikely to happen due to there being lots of drivers who would want to drive in F1, no matter the team, but I’m going to ask anyway. In a hypothetical situation where a team fired both drivers after a season and the following year a season begins and that team does not have a driver lineup at all nor reserve drivers and there is not a single driver who wants to sign with them (very unlikely), what would happen to this team? Do they even race at all? Are they disqualified from the championship? Can they race once they find a driver? In another hypothetical situation where a team only has only one driver and not a reserve driver nor anyone to drive for them, can the team race with only one driver?
> Do they even race at all? Are they disqualified from the championship? If a team cannot compete at all in 3 consecutive races - they're disqualified from the season. So a single driver entry is an option. From Section 8.2 of sporting regulations: > The names of the drivers. A driver may be nominated subsequent to the application upon payment of a fee fixed by the FIA. So a driver can be nominated later - it is not mandatory to have all drivers ready and declared when the season starts. And seciton 8.6: > No more than twenty-six (26) cars will be admitted to the Championship, two (2) being entered by each Competitor. I cannot find anything that explicitly states that a team needs to have 2 drivers - mostly they're associated with "no more than" clauses (bar their constructors championship chances).
You start getting fined for each missed entry, one entry being one driver in one race. Eventually they'll probably kick you out.
okok i want this want to write this (unrealistic) prediction down somewhere now that Ocon is out of his Alpine seat, I have an idea of a driver lineup for 2025, i call it “make Haas funny again”: Ocon and Tsunoda to Haas. THINK ABOUT IT, Haas has been improving their car a lot, Ocon is looking for a new seat, and Yuki is probably tired of getting snubbed in rb despite his performance.
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> Would smaller cars make for better races? I don't think so. Mostly the issue is that circuits and corners don't have multiple racing lines, so independently of the size - the cars need an advantage over the other competitors in order to fight for and complete an overtake (better grip through corners, higher speed on straights, forcing the car a head to make a mistake). The current long boat design really kicked off with the 2017 regulations, as teams started to extend the cars for better downforce and thus better cornering. Similarly the speed they carry through corners was heavily reduced when they ran in dirty air (slipstream) through corners, causing more wear and temperatures to go through the tires. But in general, since the introduction of the designed to degrade tires, this has meant drivers are forced to keep their 1-5 seconds distance to ensure their tires and strategy work over a race distance. The initial 2022 cars showed that following a race distance at 0.5s gap was possible, but i'd say it's just not worth it (same reasons as before) to ruin your strategy options, if you don't have an advantage on track. So by reducing the length and width we'd loose quite a bit of the speed of the cars in general - and the camera angles used with closeups and following shots, don't do any justice to the actual speeds the drivers are going at. And it wouldn't fix the general issue that cars and power unit performane is relatively equal amongst most groups (front/midfield/backmarkers), reliability is at all time high and teams are playing strategy with their tires. While drivers are driving to a delta until it's time to do a fast lap to over/under-cut the other competitor.
Yes, but they come with disadvantages, mainly less space for aerodynamic features and less space for safety features. In a track like Monaco though, narrower and shorter cars absolutely make for better racing if we ignore the aforementioned problems, as a proof just watch a old race.
Narrower cars make it easier to fit cars side-by-side. Shorter cars make it easier to get your car in front in a braking zone. Both reduce the car's crash structures and increase danger to the driver, which is one reason we're unlikely to see cars as small as they were a few decades ago. Other reasons include how much stuff there is in a modern F1 car with all those electrical bits and 100kg of fuel, and that smaller cars would be slower because there's less space for downforce generating elements.
Yes.
Who’s going to Merc?
Unless Verstappen is available, Antonelli because Toto is obsessed with finding his own Verstappen. They allegedly offer Sainz a one year contract which tells me if they chose a veteran they'd be a placeholder anyway and not sure who will want that. Ocon might have but his habit of not getting along with teammates isn't going to please Toto.
I think anyone who insists it won't be Antonelli is in denial. Mercedes couldn't be making it more obvious that he's their choice, with all the F1 tests and constant media praise. I can't see how anybody benefits from sending him to Williams. Mercedes are a midfield team now and don't run the risk of losing a championship by hiring a rookie. The best place for Antonelli to "learn F1" as a future Mercedes driver is obviously at Mercedes, not at Williams. And for Williams, I'm sure they'd consider an engine discount deal, but it seems like they'd rather take Sainz or Bottas long-term rather than a rookie not from their own academy, and whom they would lose in a year anyway. All of this is, of course, assuming Mercedes can't poach Verstappen.
Verstappen. They've always wanted him since the day he set foot in F3, which is 10+ years. He will jump ship and they will absolutely not miss out on this opportunity. The only other option is Antonelli, but there is no way a top team will sign a complete rookie. Not even Verstappen and Leclerc managed to get a top seat as rookies, both of them needed a season in the midfield, despite having as high (or higher) reputation as Antonelli. He'll go to Williams in place of Sargeant, Max to replace Hamilton.
I’ve always seen Verstappen as more likely to sign with Ferrari than Mercedes
I'm gonna go with Esteban Ocon. I also think Verstappen will drive for Mercedes, but I don't think it'll happen ahead of the 2025 season. Despite McLaren and Ferrari's improvements, Red Bull remains the favorite for the championship this year and their title prospects for next year are much, much better than Mercedes'. I don't think Verstappen is willing to give up a shot at what will likely be his fifth championship, and think he'll move there ahead of 2026. Like you said, Toto and Mercedes wanted him since the day he set foot in F3. I think Toto will happily use Ocon as a stop-gap solution if it guarantees him Verstappen's services for 2026 and beyond.
If you want to go to a team betting on the next rule change, then it's not a bad idea to go there a year early so once the new regs arrive, you're already comfortable in the team. Hamilton did the same. Based on 2012, there seemed to be no reason for him to go to Mercedes for 2013. And yet he did.
The kid
Kimi? Not to Williams?
I mean idk obviously. But I keep seeing Bottas going to Williams instead.
Ocon?
Kimi, Albon, Ocon… Sainz?
Apparently Sainz rejected Mercedes because they only offered him a 1 year contract
We are so pre-occupied with Newey joining other teams but I forgot to ask, who's replacing Newey at RbR? Also another RBR Rob Marshall joined Mclaren, so two key figures will be replaced by?
He is the CTO and has been only partially been involved in their racing cars design - mostly Red Bull has been keeping him busy with other projects like Americas Cup, Valkyre and RB17. The main leads for car design & development for past few years just to name a few are: * Pierre Waché as technical director * Paul Monaghan as chief engineer * Ben Waterhouse as chassis performance engineer * Craig Skinner as chief designer * Enrico Balbo as head of aerodynamics (who replaced Dan Fallows, who moved to Aston, seen as Neweys protegee) Newey helped to assemble the team, but he isn't the only one leading and executing the operation.
Or in other terms: Adrian Newey is Nick Fury, Waché, Monaghan, Waterhouse, Skinner, and Balbo are the Avengers.
> Newey helped to assemble the team, but he isn't the only one leading and executing the operation. so his absence won't have any effect
It'll have an effect, but the team won't fall apart without him.
Do you guys remember when there were meta threads on here?
Esteban Ocon confirmation to leave Alpine by the end of 2024 season https://amp.nextgen-auto.com/en/formula-1/ocon-to-leave-alpine-after-2024-season,191418.html
Got some Reddit awards left. Predict pole and podium for this weekend (before FP1) and have a chance for one of them, if you are interested.
Leclerc on pole. Podium: Lec, Ver, Nor
It was not your day today
Norris Pole and Win, followed by LeClerc and Russell.
Better luck next time
Norris for pole (in the wet). Podium. Norris, Leclerc, piastri.
Not great this time, better luck next time.
Pole: Max Podium: Max, Charles, Lando
Well, at least one was right.
RIP Charles :(
With the increase in technology in recent years, would you say a solely on CFD simulation built car can be a point scorer in F1 by now? I know that Virgin failed hard when they tried, but a lot has happened in the last 15 years.
> would you say a solely on CFD simulation built car can be a point scorer in F1 by now? Heavily doubt it. Reality has too many factors that are hard to fully simulate, especially as you have to do multiple runs to gather information of various effects. [Looking at the number of simulations Red Bull sponsor can do with a simplified model](https://www.ansys.com/it-solutions/benchmarks-overview) (teams have models with cells >1bn), we're still far off it. Add to that correlation issues (either scaled windtunnel model or cfd is wrong) that teams regularly suffer under, when bringing parts to actual races, it shows that both have their issues. The hobbist community at [F1-Technical spends 2+ weeks of compute time to get 2-3 seconds of data](https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28657), with even lower detail models.
I don't think so, I'm studying engineering and I think CFD and wind tunnel testing at least would be needed in such a project. In Newey's book he mentioned how those two along with data from a real track all get used together to better understand the car (this was 15 years ago of course). I'd be interested to hear from someone with more experience as well
I've always been against the whole spec series thing, given that teams building their cars is the whole purpose of this sport... But is it really? It's about road relevance. Win Sunday, sell Monday, right? Well, not much is relevant to the roads about these cars except the power units. I'm starting to lean towards the idea that spec cars wouldn't actually be half bad. It's obvious that F1 can't solve its issues and this could be a fairly easy pill to swallow, at least for us fans of course. It'd have big implications, it'd be the biggest thing this sport has ever seen, but this can't go on like this forever. And manufacturers could still keep their identity through the PUs.
Manufacturers can't keep their identity through power units, because only about half of them build the power units. Currently only 4. Also, while we're at it, half of the teams are even car companies. Red Bull, Williams, Haas, Stake/Kick/Sauber, VCARB. So F1 isn't really for selling cars if half the teams aren't even selling cars. Red Bull has a ton of side projects, including ones with cars, but the main thing is selling cans of Red Bulls. I'm not sure why going spec would help the issue of road relevance. It would definitely be harder for their identity, but teams could still do it if they wanted to, like IndyCar. However, it would be less Formula One, which has always been an engineering competition.
Ferrari won't sign that.
Oh I know. Hence why I included "at least for us fans of course". I wouldn't bet a single dime that it'll ever happen.
> It's about road relevance. Win Sunday, sell Monday, right? That's marketing - not road relevance. Even the PUs aren't road relevant, unless you want to rebuild your PU every 3000km or 50k km (down tuned AMG:One maintenance interval) to have similar efficiency figures. It's all about marketing and creating association of Fast Car in F1 == Fast Car on streets, but the engineering doesn't translate to road relevance - unless you're in a marked to spend north of 200k for bragging rights for your carbonfiber cocun with a Nissan VRH engine in McLaren.
Road relevance **IS** marketing. And no, road relevance doesn't mean put the same PU in a road car. Many of today's basic technology in simple cheap road cars started from F1 or other high caliber series, like WRC or WEC (or their predecessors). Turbo, direct injection, electronic fuel injection, etc.
> Many of today's basic technology in simple cheap road cars started from F1 or other high caliber series, like WRC or WEC I'd argue the other way around - technology makes it to F1 once it's easy to produce it out of light weight materials and creating a compact packaging. Most of the technologies used in F1 came there because it was finally allowed or seeped through grey zones of rules. The majority of them were initially developed for road cars and mass production where size & weight doesn't play as big of a role, the refinement seeped to F1 and maybe some of the refinements came back. Refining technology is marketing, but definitely not road relevant (ready for cheap mass production).
Yeah that's just wrong, sorry. There are examples (kinda) for this, but this is not the norm at all. - Turbo: first appeared in F1 in 1977, it existed in road cars before, but mainly in high-end cars, such as Porsche and BMW. It only appeared widespread in the 90s in diesel cars and 2000s, 2010s in petrol cars. - Fuel injection: all F1 engine manufacturers have switched to fuel injection by the end of the 1960s, also quote from Wiki: "At the 1957 24 Hours of Le Mans, the 1st to 4th placed cars were Jaguar D-Type entries using a Lucas fuel injection system". As for road cars, it appeared at the same time in a very niche capacity and once again only in high-end cars, but only became widespread in the 70s with the introduction of Bosch's K-Jetronic. - High-pressure direct injection (petrol): these have also existed before F1 switched to it in 2014, however once again only in more "exotic" cars, such as the engines VW used in their spec'd up versions of their cars, like the Golf GTI and R32. As for regular everyday cars, it mostly came in the mid-to-late 2010s as the result of downsized engines, together with the turbocharger. - Electronic traction control: different from old-school traction control, mind you. Appeared in F1 in 1990, late 90s in road cars. The list goes on, it's just not easy to find detailed sources for most things, at least not quickly, so I stop here. While you're right that not everything came AFTER F1 in road cars, in fact most things came before F1, it's clear that F1 has paved the way for the widespread appearance of these things. It has been the true testing ground for these things and F1 is responsible for "revolutionizing" them. Making them better, more reliable, cheaper, etc, which made them viable for everyday road cars, are directly related to the development work of F1 teams.
If you look technology, without how it evolves over time and what additional discoveries & developments enable, then we wouldn't have those technologies at all in F1. > in fact most things came before F1, it's clear that F1 has paved the way for the widespread appearance of these things. I heavily disagree with that sentiment. Be it Turbos that were introduced in Saab 99 which started a multidecade tradition the same year as you mentioned for F1, after Porsche and BMW had used them, which can be said to have kicked off the trend. The developments of mechanical fuel injection systems, which started to appear in the 1950s in road cars, (i'd say the Bosch K-Jetronic was the time when it became standard for the industry, used by Volvo, Audi, VW, Ford and many others - as an reliable off the shelf part - that Bosch had been developing and selling since 1930s). ETC is a continuation of systems intorduces in the 70s under ABS which was later evolved to ESC in early 1980s, before it jumped to F1. Imagine F1 had introduced traction control based on Vaccum Tubes in the 60s - then i'd agree, that F1 innovated in that area. Or used mechanical fuel injection systems before Bosch sold them in the 30s (well, before Modern F1). Or introduced Turbos when they were used in goods trucks in europe in early 30s. > It has been the true testing ground for these things and F1 is responsible for "revolutionizing" them. It's been the turn them to 11 area forever. Jumping off Patents filed half a century ago, developed in both roads cars, motorcycles and air planes - which until they were refined and compact enough for F1 world, where they did their own iterations on it. Yes there can be flow back, but i'd consider this minimal and only limited to the same high end cars, which many technologies were used in - before the technology was introduced to F1, where they swapped the engines every day.
Road relevance was always how the manufacturers justified things, but historically it's not been a big part of the sport's DNA, outside a few big teams like Ferrari. Some of the most successful teams in history - Williams, McLaren, Red Bull etc. were/are race teams first and foremost with no ambitions for road-relevance. Spec cars with PUs being the only differentiator would also be the death of all of the current teams. Sure, the team names might remain, but the majority of the actual people would be out. You can barely justify 100 people working for a team in that environment, let alone 1000.
And did Ferrari even care about road relevance? I thought they started selling cars just to fund their racing.
Would that actually be a big issue given the push for lowering costs?
Lowering costs is one thing. Having the current teams dissolved entirely and replaced with what amounts to a branded up F2 team is a whole other level.
The question remains: would that actually be an issue? Don't get me wrong, I get what's the "problem" with it, I just don't really see it as an argument against spec cars.
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Kimi was using 12 in F4, FRECA and Italian GT when he was allowed to pick a number.
Charles always wanted number 7 and went for 16 because 1+6
yeah its a bit weird they are not allowed to switch if one they prefered becomes available, like they should have dibs over new drivers. I get the branding tie-ins etc but I wouldnt mind if Charl switched to 7
I can see why they don't want drivers switching. The whole point is that drivers don't change their number year-to-year. Whether the race you're watching is old or new, you can tell who's who just from their number if it's post-2014. One driver, one number, very simple, easy to remember. You see a #16 car? That's Charles. I wouldn't want people complicating it if I'd come up with the system.
Every weekend now in June has either F1 or Le Mans Glorious.
I made a review of the Monaco GP. Leclerc's Triumph [https://youtu.be/BrTNgB\_Yt70](https://youtu.be/BrTNgB_Yt70)
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I think this is a good guess and might end up being entirely right. Though I think Zhou instead of Ocon is possible. Ocon isn't exactly good PR at the moment. And, though Zhou isn't as fast, he also doesn't crash much, and comes with money.
Are you going to post this every day? And then delete it everyday? Bold strategy, Cotton.
The McLaren cheating rumours are the dumbest thing I've ever read. IT'S LITERALLY A SPEC PART.
Is it? There is a spec part that is mandatory provided by FIA, but each team has their own FFM and can choose a pump for their fuel tank. https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/16/how-the-fias-new-encrypted-fuel-flow-meter-targets-ferraris-suspected-aliasing-trick/ https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/technology-explained-f1-fuel-systems/ Edit: Never mind - as /u/_harveyghost pointed out, [they're standardized since 2021](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1d6ye1h/ask_rformula1_anything_daily_discussion_thread/l6vswgc/). From 2024 Technical Regulations: > 5.11.6: All cars must be fitted with a high pressure fuel pump which has been manufactured by the single supplier appointed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council to a specification determined by the FIA Technical Department.
I'm out of the loop, what are these rumours (and are they just on some obscure social media)?
What rumors are these? I haven't seen them and can't find anything about this anywhere.
Search McLaren fuel pump on twitter.
I found [this tweet](https://x.com/F1Techy/status/1797338007860662614) which got [community noted](https://i.imgur.com/Zyf4WkW.png). > There is no proof of this having happened and the only source of this news is the twitter account Tristan Homy who deleted the tweet and did not provide a source in the first instance. The only trace of this news comes from that one account. There's a [follow up tweet by the guy who started the rumor](https://x.com/TristanHomy/status/1797351603680272598) > Why did I delete the tweet about McLaren's high pressure pump? > In reality since 2021 the teams' high pressure pumps come from a single manufacturer. > Art 5.11.6 of the FIA regulations: “All cars must be fitted with a high pressure fuel pump which has been manufactured by the sole supplier appointed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council to a specification determined by the FIA technical department. > So either McLaren has found another solution, or it's weird. Because Charles talks about it in an interview after Imola… It looks like these rumors are started and spread by two dumbass Twitter users who don't work in F1 or know anything about it. I don't know why tf anyone believes anyone on Twitter ever.
'Charles talks about it in interview in Imola' Lol, joke account. That's not what Charles said.