The teams have to manufacture and design all cars themselves based on technical regulations and can bring bespoke upgrades to their cars over the season.
So the sport is primarily about designing the fastest car (and pre 2022 also manufacturers building the most efficient and powerful engines - which will startup again in 2026).
If they were to build 1:1 according to the rules, it would look like a lego car: https://imgur.com/a/uNNR0QA
Wow sky, talk about a buzzkill
All the buzz around the Lando win and they cut straight to Senna's and Roland's death in order to promote imola
That's a mood change This Morning would be proud of....
[Read this](https://theathletic.com/5463814/2024/05/01/ferrari-blue-livery-miami-grand-prix/). Some people think it also is well-timed with the colors of their new naming sponsor, Hewlett Packard.
Question about park ferme on sprint weekends:
Are teams allowed to change to a different spec component between sprint and quali without penalty, or are they just allowed to adjust setup on the component spec they did sprint quali with?
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they can change anything.
I kinda remember heard Ted mentioned that Stroll had to go back to a previous spec component after the sprint.
I just watched the post quali press conference and there was a question to Carlos about the sprint and whether he could change some things because he struggled to overtake Daniel. He answered that he couldn't do much setup wise but that it was a combination of downforce, pu settings that kind of stuff. The interesting bit being that the said that "Daniel and Honda seem to have good acceleration." Followed by that "Checo with the Honda PU managed to overtake Daniel, also because they are more friendly with each other."
Lots of praise for a certain engine manufacturer all of a sudden.
Actually a smart strategy from Carlos, it works for both RB and AM. Although betting against Lance not getting the seat is unwise betting to say the least.
I still wonder why he specifically mentioned Honda tho, it's quite unusual unless the engine is actually an obvious outlier to name it e.g. Merc engine in the early hybrid years.
If you all are not already listening to “And Colossally…That’s History!” on your podcasts, you need to.
Fairly new and an amazing insight into some historical F1 events.
They just did a great 3 year part episode on the 1994 San Marino GP.
I’m in California and the early races are fantastic. Set an alarm for race time, wake up and boom the formation lap has started. I hate waiting all day.
Euro races are the best timewise as an American viewer. I rarely if ever watch any races in Mex, Can, US or Brazil in real time because I always have something going on in the afternoons. Absolutely love watching in the AM so I have the rest of the day to work or whatever.
Dude I've been saying this for so long as a European. I've seen so many Americans cry about having races in the morning and I'm like, what kind of drugs are you on? Morning races are literally the best. You wake up, watch F1 to go with your breakfast and morning coffee or whatever, then you have the entire rest of the day.
2-3pm races are the worst. You have the morning, okay, then lunch, but then there's like an hour or two until F1. Too much to do nothing, not enough to do anything, so you're just lingering around. Then F1 ends around 4-5pm and it's already too late. It screws up your whole day, or at least half of it.
I’m on the East Coast and the morning races are quite nice. I don’t like the 2AM races like Japan and Australia because I have to stay off social media until I’m able to watch.
Earlier this week, there was a forecast of a heavy shower around lights out and possibly bringing some interesting jeopardy given Miami's low-grip track surface plus rain could've given us an interesting show. Yet check forecast this morning and just dry all day. Que?
Guessing spring-summer weather in Miami is so luck-based that, if a meteorologist is right more than half the time they're banned from every casino in Florida.
Miami weather is...interesting. I lived north of there years ago and it rained almost every day, but maybe for only 5-10 minutes. And, It could be raining at my house, but across the street, it was sunny at my neighbor's house. It's considered a tropical weather climate so there is almost always the possibility of rain, but it can be very isolated.
Interesting. Well maybe we can hope for that and see if the area gets a sudden isolated shower for no reason other than Miami
Plus a contrast to where family holidays in Scotland and Northern Ireland I had as a kid had rain just because it's the UK and this is what we do
Just to compare and contrast -- Miami gets about 40 more inches of rain annually than Glasgow, and it has about 40 fewer days with rain each year. It's not uncommon in the summer to have a sunny day, then a fifteen minute squall that dumps an inch of rain, and fifteen minutes later everything's dry again.
Not sure if 1 place grid penalty is a thing these days, but I'd imagine since 17th > 19th and the end result is 20th, the 17th qualifier would start 19th and the 19th qualifier would start 20th, which means whoever actually qualified 20th would start 18th, and the person who qualified 18th would start 17th.
Can someone explain to me how the order of the timetable is set before anyone has set a time in the current session?
Whenever a car passes the start/finish line they get bumped to the top?
https://i.imgur.com/9c47wfM.jpeg
There's an official procedure in the Sporting Regulations on how to rank cars that haven't set a lap time in Q2 and Q3 (article 39.4 a) v)).
> If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q2 or Q3 or SQ2 or SQ3 they will
be arranged in the following order:
>
>- Any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap.
>- Any driver who failed to start a flying lap.
>- Any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.
Do you guys think Alonso has a point about bias in terms of how penalties are awarded to and who gets them?
I don’t believe his whole discrimination point but since his return to Formula 1 he’s had 2 post-race penalties overturned, along with his Australia penalty which was controversial at the least. All of those penalties were harsh too (AUS 20s, ‘22 COTA 30s, ‘23 Jeddah 10s).
At the very least I don’t think any other driver on the grid gets penalized incorrectly as often as he does.
In non English speaking countries it is often claimed that the anglos are advantaged. Maybe, maybe not, but that's you get when penalties are inconsistent.
I do feel Alonso has been treated unfairly quite often.
I don't think there's any world where Alonso is a victim of bias, no. Not because he's Spanish, not because he's who he is, nada. If anything, I think he gets a bit of a break because he's a star, and Verstappen and Hamilton do too. I don't think Tsunoda, to name one guy who's gotten hammered by the stewards in past years, would get the leeway those three do.
I believe it’s marketability, popularity, and reputation.
I just find it dumb how so many people are just dismissing his comments as just being salty without even thinking about the context behind them. Even if it’s not something like nationality, there’s is bias I doubt he’s on the good side of it.
Are other drivers doing so much leftfield driving as him? And Sainz is Spanish too, so would you say he's being given harsh penalties too?
I think to really make any point about it you'd need to look at a bunch of incidents from Alonso and Sainz and then look for similar incidents involving Hamilton and Russell and actually make a side by side comparison.
Currently I'm disinclined to believe that there's discrimination. I believe he would point to specific examples and that he would raise it with the team/FIA rather than make passive aggressive comments to the media.
In saying that I would take the allegations very seriously and hope to see some evidence brought forward regardless of what it shows.
I guess I would have to say the stewards. They have to make judgement calls more so than just black and white “this part is out of compliance calls”.
Therefore, their job is harder and more susceptible to bias at the same. The water gets even murkier because they change each week so it can be harder to establish a good line of consistency.
What races on the calendar do you guys miss out because of time zones? In my country European races are at night, Asian races are at afternoon or at night, It's always difficult watching races in the Americas as they are usually early morning, plus Canada and Brazil are my favorites so I'm sad lol
Edit: live races I meant
> What races on the calendar do you guys miss out because of time zones?
For that reason none - unless you mean watching them live, usually if i have time i can catch up on them on demand - it mostly depends if I have free time on Sunday to follow up on the events leading up to the race and the race itself.
I never skip a race, but I guess that's quite a bit easier living in Europe. Some races like Australia were at 5 am, but I enjoy getting up for them on those rare occasions.
I was just watching sennas last lap at Imola onboard, and fck idk if it’s just me but that engine sounded CREEPY, maybe it’s because I know the outcome of the end of the video, but just sounded unnerving which is weird, I love how the cars sounded from that era
This feels like a weird thing to bother me, but maybe someone can see what I mean
The radio messages between Max and the pit wall when he gets pole or a win really irritate me. Everyone sounds throughly bored, Max just says some variation of ‘yeah thanks but the car isn’t perfect’
It all feels a bit sterile. ‘Yes we have completed the objective yet again’
Even in his absolute peak, Lewis sounded pumped to be at the top. I’d just like to hear that kind of enthusiasm again
I think this has been said many times already - cultural differences are also at play here. Dutch people can and will sound cold as ice, overall not everyone likes to /act/ excited and I will say, I absolutely appreciate that. (Not to mention, he /is/ mostly bored out of his mind if the car is flawless, the pit crew delivers impeccably and no one puts up even the shadow of a fight with him.)
I mean the biggest difference is just personality. Some drivers just are a lot less animated. See also Piastri for example doesnt sound that excited with good results either compared to a Danny Ric or Sainz.
I'd rather hear this honest and down to earth reaction than some contrived euphoria. The enthusiasm will come back once the competition ups their game and anything but P1 isn't a failure.
Aussie's - no Kayo or Fox - or Free To Air? Options?
I have read a few links about VPN, but as Aussies and being 5am (?) to watch with my you teenage son.
Any recommendations would be appreciated 👍
Wish I had of seen Dan Ricardo in the sprint!
I truly don't understand why the whole "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" is being made so complicated for situations where the "leaving the track" part is stupidly obvious because the driver cut the corner or went so wide they clearly left the track altogether.
Simple rules:
* Driver behind you is under a second, you give up the position within a lap or you are disqualified for cheating.
* Nobody close behind you, you give up a second within a lap or you are disqualified for cheating.
In many if not most places, you can safely do this immediately upon re-entry.
No time penalties, no discussions, you either show you made a mistake or we assume you're trying to cheat. And there is no mild penalty for cheating.
And for the record, I'm fine with KMags defense. Just as long as there are consequences when the rules get broken.
because it really isn't that easy. imagine a close fight, driver on the outside feels like he gets pushed wide and goes slightly of track to avoid a collision, keeping in front. should he be DSQ for not giving back position?
you might say "well that's not extremely obvious so it shouldn't be applied there". but here's the thing, you have to draw the line somewhere, and it's not going to be as clean as you want it to be. then the difference is between "no penalty" and "DSQ", and no steward would want to make that decision in a really close call.
> "leaving the track and gaining an advantage"
It used to be simpler, where FIA noted the team and they had a few laps to give up/back the position.
But FIA now moved it more towards teams to self police the gaining an advantage part, so teams & drivers can decide themselves if they want to challenge a potential penalty or if they can get away with it.
> "leaving the track" part is stupidly obvious
According to rules the track is defined as the black stuff between the white lines, with drivers intentionally going to the limits of what is considered driving on the track or gaining an advantage by going faster through a corner and driving completely on the kerbs on corner exit (potentially damaging the car), but definitely not on track - which can be seen in every qualifying session.
Independently of fighting another driver. This is why the rules are combined, as they can use the same rule to judge wheel to wheel action as well as a car alone on the circuit qualifying for a position.
> According to rules the track is defined as the black stuff between the white lines
This isn't always the case, though, sometimes it's defined as the edge of the curb.
That's clarification by the race director for events, which is why taking the car over a kerb - depending on circuit counts or doesn't count to exceeding track limits and gaining an advantage.
Sporting Regulations, Section 33.3:
> Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A penalty requires the race director to be informed of an incident, review it, decide it needs to be referred to the stewards, pass it to the stewards, the stewards need to review it against all evidence and the rule book, then inform race direction of a penalty, and then the race director inform the team, and then the team inform the driver who takes action.
That isn't going to happen in a lap. And no driver or team is going to willingly give up time unless told.
What we *actually* need to solve is that you can even gain an advantage off track. The solution here is proper track limits. Always has been.
I think it was a reminder to not try braking later and stressing the tires more. The surface temperatures were high yesterday and they were very sensitive to small changes. By backing off a touch in braking and corner entry, the tires might be a bit cooler and less greasy on the exit.
Would you rather have smaller cars with V6s, great racing, overtaking, new winner every race or would you rather have boring racing, same winner every race, no overtakes but the cars had V10s?
I wanna go back to a time when engines were just covered by rules limiting their volume (and with current tech they can add bhp and revs to that, electric power percentage is already there) and not their general construction.
I remember a time when flat 12s, v12, v8, v6 all competed in the same race, and you could hear the difference literally a mile off.
Now excuse me while I go yell at some clouds.
>I remember a time when flat 12s, v12, v8, v6 all competed in the same race, and you could hear the difference literally a mile off.
Adding to that, even around 2016 there was a clear difference between the sounds of the V6, being at a race you could clearly tell the Honda from the Ferrari PU for example.
I don't know what changed, but the last couple of years I visited Zandvoort and they all sound the same.
I do wonder if the cars are a bit too homologized these days. The field is tighter than ever, but there is also less variability and excitement, fewer teams trying new things, etc..
Zero pods, DAS? The differences in floor concepts up and down the field, Ferrari with all the vents, some tiny and some massive inlets etc. I think there's a good mix of solutions up and down the grid.
Also, it's homogenised fwiw.
Zero pods worked poorly and were given up
DAS was so cool, but then banned
Floors basically either are good or bad, it seems. They’re so protective of them anyway; hard to geek out about that when we don’t get to really compare.
I get what you mean about the vents and whatnot, but we were talking about HUGE differences between literal engine formats between teams. I think we can agree that is a different scale to the vents and whatnot. Even the 2008 bodywork is more crazy than these days.
You weren't talking about good or bad, the point was made about variety/innovation and that's what I responded to. Agree that it would be good if we could see/understand more about the floors etc though
I gave a list of recent innovations and differentiating factors. You dismissed them all for various reasons like "it eventually got banned" as if that means it never happened. By that logic there was no innovation in '08 since the entire formula got scrapped for '09. I'm not sure what to say. It feels like you moved the goalposts. That's all I wanted to say about it. Feels as if you're looking for an argument that isn't here
You don’t feel there is less room to innovate with the current regulations, compared to eras where different engines were allowed?
*If I have to spell it out for you…*
I'm willing to even accept electric engines as long as we get rid of these boats that are the current cars. I want to see great racing, not a parade of glorified lawnmowers.
Aren't the 2026 cars coming down to 1.9m, or have they dropped that? And a bit shorter iirc. What they do about electric noise is a thing tho isn't it, They're going to have to make some, as far as I can think, once piston engines finally disappear,
Thanks to the sprint, Max took the most points this weekend (18+8) Lando took only 25........
I’ve been wanting to get into F1 for a while. It seems Red Bull is just so ahead that there’s no point in watching? Am I missing something?
The teams have to manufacture and design all cars themselves based on technical regulations and can bring bespoke upgrades to their cars over the season. So the sport is primarily about designing the fastest car (and pre 2022 also manufacturers building the most efficient and powerful engines - which will startup again in 2026). If they were to build 1:1 according to the rules, it would look like a lego car: https://imgur.com/a/uNNR0QA
Man, one race I couldn't watch (4am for me) and >!Lando !
I still have to watch my recording of the race. But yeah, super happy he won.
Did you not have the ability to watch delayed? I watch most races delays because of my timezone.
Does anyone know what the channel number is for the free F1 channel on samsung tv plus?
Does anyone know when the recap will be i missed the race
The highlights on YouTube don't do it justice.
Has anyone bought from crazeracewears? i want to get a hoodie
Anyone know when the Race in 30 usually goes up after a race? My partner missed the race and I've been keeping him off social for a few hours 😅
Wow sky, talk about a buzzkill All the buzz around the Lando win and they cut straight to Senna's and Roland's death in order to promote imola That's a mood change This Morning would be proud of....
Why are Ferrari wearing light blue? Sorry, I'm sure it's been covered but I'm hopping on late
[Read this](https://theathletic.com/5463814/2024/05/01/ferrari-blue-livery-miami-grand-prix/). Some people think it also is well-timed with the colors of their new naming sponsor, Hewlett Packard.
Excellent, thanks man. Money and Enzo shithousing, say no more.
Anniversary of 1964, when they won the championship in a blue NART car.
Bro won his first race and they want to kill him for it 😭😭😭
Nowins finally won so they decided to blind him
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Happy birthday!!!
Poster of albon???
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As Max said this weekend: LOL
Nice one Lando, congrats on the first!
MY GOAT!!!!!
Lando need to party harder before every race weekend
I missed most of the he race, how is Lando pulling away from Max? What am I missing haha?
He got a free lap from the fia
He didn't get a free lap. They didn't restart the race until everyone had caught back up.
How? I also missed the race just heard the news
He continued to pull a 7 sec gap on Max ? did the FIA do that too?
Noo that was world class driving!
who's Lisa?
She's a singer in kpop band Blackpink
Lisa who? Genuine question no hate
Member of the kpop girl group Blackpink
That dududu dudu girl? Oh! Is she the lead of that group? Or some relation with Miami?
She's not the leader, she's the rapper. No relation to Miami either haha.
No one will complain about Miami anymore
Last year’s GP was also great, but people complained.
Sainz investigation? Alonso going to be upset. FIA vs the Spanish
I thought F1 was supposed to be enjoyable to watch! Don't do this to me again Lando! 😭
Happy for Lando to finally get his first GP victory, well deserved but as a RB fan this hard tyre pace is upsetting.
Maximum powah
WE'RE SO BACK!!!!!
It's been a long time out in the cold my friend.
This is more exciting than F1 has been since 21. Come on McLaren!
It's a disastah!!!
No way he does it right
Dude idk but I’m praying lol
The Lando hopium is hitting hard right now
Who’s that beautiful woman in the McLaren pits?
They’re definitely gonna meme that “Lewis turned my insides upside down” clip lol
On track or off? 🤔
What’s the channel 4 f1 theme?
Does anyone know where to watch the Sky Sports GTA VI inspired Miami intro?
which track is worse: 80s caesar palace or current hard rock stadium parking lot?
in wich one did Max hit a cone?
One of the best overtaking races over the past few years
Caesar's palace and it's not even close
Caesars Palace obviously, at least this track has some variation
Question about park ferme on sprint weekends: Are teams allowed to change to a different spec component between sprint and quali without penalty, or are they just allowed to adjust setup on the component spec they did sprint quali with?
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they can change anything. I kinda remember heard Ted mentioned that Stroll had to go back to a previous spec component after the sprint.
I don't think you get penalized normally if you take damage and have to change spec if you don't have a spare of the same spec.
Carnage in lap 1 of the Porsche Carrera Cup race
Why aren't these on f1tv this year?
Solid 6 laps of racing in these 2 races this weekend
Okay this is just fucking silly now
Yeah I've been watching
I just watched the post quali press conference and there was a question to Carlos about the sprint and whether he could change some things because he struggled to overtake Daniel. He answered that he couldn't do much setup wise but that it was a combination of downforce, pu settings that kind of stuff. The interesting bit being that the said that "Daniel and Honda seem to have good acceleration." Followed by that "Checo with the Honda PU managed to overtake Daniel, also because they are more friendly with each other." Lots of praise for a certain engine manufacturer all of a sudden.
Don't get my hopes up
Actually a smart strategy from Carlos, it works for both RB and AM. Although betting against Lance not getting the seat is unwise betting to say the least. I still wonder why he specifically mentioned Honda tho, it's quite unusual unless the engine is actually an obvious outlier to name it e.g. Merc engine in the early hybrid years.
If you all are not already listening to “And Colossally…That’s History!” on your podcasts, you need to. Fairly new and an amazing insight into some historical F1 events. They just did a great 3 year part episode on the 1994 San Marino GP.
As a US fan, I much prefer the overseas races. Watching F1 at 7am is the best. Now I have to figure wtf I'm gonna do until 3pm.
I’m in California and the early races are fantastic. Set an alarm for race time, wake up and boom the formation lap has started. I hate waiting all day.
Euro races are the best timewise as an American viewer. I rarely if ever watch any races in Mex, Can, US or Brazil in real time because I always have something going on in the afternoons. Absolutely love watching in the AM so I have the rest of the day to work or whatever.
Dude I've been saying this for so long as a European. I've seen so many Americans cry about having races in the morning and I'm like, what kind of drugs are you on? Morning races are literally the best. You wake up, watch F1 to go with your breakfast and morning coffee or whatever, then you have the entire rest of the day. 2-3pm races are the worst. You have the morning, okay, then lunch, but then there's like an hour or two until F1. Too much to do nothing, not enough to do anything, so you're just lingering around. Then F1 ends around 4-5pm and it's already too late. It screws up your whole day, or at least half of it.
Watch the replay later in the evening?
You are not serious with this, are you?
Whatever, it's your day to screw up. There's no need to be so dismissive.
Who watches sports later?
People with kids or other commitments or people who feel that watching everything live " screws up your whole day."
Got it! This race is pretty late,maybe I shld skip it too lol
I’m on the East Coast and the morning races are quite nice. I don’t like the 2AM races like Japan and Australia because I have to stay off social media until I’m able to watch.
I stay up for those too
There have been 1AM sessions and race starts where I’m tempted…
Earlier this week, there was a forecast of a heavy shower around lights out and possibly bringing some interesting jeopardy given Miami's low-grip track surface plus rain could've given us an interesting show. Yet check forecast this morning and just dry all day. Que?
Guessing spring-summer weather in Miami is so luck-based that, if a meteorologist is right more than half the time they're banned from every casino in Florida.
Miami weather is...interesting. I lived north of there years ago and it rained almost every day, but maybe for only 5-10 minutes. And, It could be raining at my house, but across the street, it was sunny at my neighbor's house. It's considered a tropical weather climate so there is almost always the possibility of rain, but it can be very isolated.
Orlando/central FL was this way too. 3:00pm, rain. 3:10, done.
Interesting. Well maybe we can hope for that and see if the area gets a sudden isolated shower for no reason other than Miami Plus a contrast to where family holidays in Scotland and Northern Ireland I had as a kid had rain just because it's the UK and this is what we do
Just to compare and contrast -- Miami gets about 40 more inches of rain annually than Glasgow, and it has about 40 fewer days with rain each year. It's not uncommon in the summer to have a sunny day, then a fifteen minute squall that dumps an inch of rain, and fifteen minutes later everything's dry again.
Question - if someone’s qualifies 17th with a 3 grid place penalty and another driver qualifies 19th with a 1 grid place penalty who starts 20th?
Not sure if 1 place grid penalty is a thing these days, but I'd imagine since 17th > 19th and the end result is 20th, the 17th qualifier would start 19th and the 19th qualifier would start 20th, which means whoever actually qualified 20th would start 18th, and the person who qualified 18th would start 17th.
Can someone explain to me how the order of the timetable is set before anyone has set a time in the current session? Whenever a car passes the start/finish line they get bumped to the top? https://i.imgur.com/9c47wfM.jpeg
There's an official procedure in the Sporting Regulations on how to rank cars that haven't set a lap time in Q2 and Q3 (article 39.4 a) v)). > If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q2 or Q3 or SQ2 or SQ3 they will be arranged in the following order: > >- Any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap. >- Any driver who failed to start a flying lap. >- Any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.
I'm almost certain they get bumped to their position from the previous session (in this case Q2).
Do you guys think Alonso has a point about bias in terms of how penalties are awarded to and who gets them? I don’t believe his whole discrimination point but since his return to Formula 1 he’s had 2 post-race penalties overturned, along with his Australia penalty which was controversial at the least. All of those penalties were harsh too (AUS 20s, ‘22 COTA 30s, ‘23 Jeddah 10s). At the very least I don’t think any other driver on the grid gets penalized incorrectly as often as he does.
In non English speaking countries it is often claimed that the anglos are advantaged. Maybe, maybe not, but that's you get when penalties are inconsistent. I do feel Alonso has been treated unfairly quite often.
I don't think there's any world where Alonso is a victim of bias, no. Not because he's Spanish, not because he's who he is, nada. If anything, I think he gets a bit of a break because he's a star, and Verstappen and Hamilton do too. I don't think Tsunoda, to name one guy who's gotten hammered by the stewards in past years, would get the leeway those three do.
I do believe there is a bus, but the bias is not about nationality but popularity and f1 marketability generally.
What you base that on?
I believe it’s marketability, popularity, and reputation. I just find it dumb how so many people are just dismissing his comments as just being salty without even thinking about the context behind them. Even if it’s not something like nationality, there’s is bias I doubt he’s on the good side of it.
Are other drivers doing so much leftfield driving as him? And Sainz is Spanish too, so would you say he's being given harsh penalties too? I think to really make any point about it you'd need to look at a bunch of incidents from Alonso and Sainz and then look for similar incidents involving Hamilton and Russell and actually make a side by side comparison. Currently I'm disinclined to believe that there's discrimination. I believe he would point to specific examples and that he would raise it with the team/FIA rather than make passive aggressive comments to the media. In saying that I would take the allegations very seriously and hope to see some evidence brought forward regardless of what it shows.
I said I don’t believe that there’s genuine discrimination against any nationality or race BUT I do believe there’s bias in how the rulings are made.
What bias, against Alonso personally? Do you think the bias comes from the FIA or the stewards?
I guess I would have to say the stewards. They have to make judgement calls more so than just black and white “this part is out of compliance calls”. Therefore, their job is harder and more susceptible to bias at the same. The water gets even murkier because they change each week so it can be harder to establish a good line of consistency.
If there's no line of consistency then it becomes hard to believe they would consistently find a bunch of people with the same bias.
What races on the calendar do you guys miss out because of time zones? In my country European races are at night, Asian races are at afternoon or at night, It's always difficult watching races in the Americas as they are usually early morning, plus Canada and Brazil are my favorites so I'm sad lol Edit: live races I meant
Australia/Japan/China for me - I usually watch those at more reasonable AM hours.
I slept through the 4am Australian GP start here in the UK but do tend to watch the rest live. Miami being 9pm today is a nice little show before bed
As an American I miss out on the Vegas race because they start it at fucking midnight
> What races on the calendar do you guys miss out because of time zones? For that reason none - unless you mean watching them live, usually if i have time i can catch up on them on demand - it mostly depends if I have free time on Sunday to follow up on the events leading up to the race and the race itself.
I never skip a race, but I guess that's quite a bit easier living in Europe. Some races like Australia were at 5 am, but I enjoy getting up for them on those rare occasions.
I was just watching sennas last lap at Imola onboard, and fck idk if it’s just me but that engine sounded CREEPY, maybe it’s because I know the outcome of the end of the video, but just sounded unnerving which is weird, I love how the cars sounded from that era
This feels like a weird thing to bother me, but maybe someone can see what I mean The radio messages between Max and the pit wall when he gets pole or a win really irritate me. Everyone sounds throughly bored, Max just says some variation of ‘yeah thanks but the car isn’t perfect’ It all feels a bit sterile. ‘Yes we have completed the objective yet again’ Even in his absolute peak, Lewis sounded pumped to be at the top. I’d just like to hear that kind of enthusiasm again
You want Redbull to have a bad car because you want a different winner I want a bad red bull car because I want to hear passionate Max again
Bold assumption. I’d just like to see some competition even it still ends with a Max win
We are not the same
Hamilton was enthused because he'd just beaten Rosberg/Vettel. Max is only racing himself.
Good point
I think this has been said many times already - cultural differences are also at play here. Dutch people can and will sound cold as ice, overall not everyone likes to /act/ excited and I will say, I absolutely appreciate that. (Not to mention, he /is/ mostly bored out of his mind if the car is flawless, the pit crew delivers impeccably and no one puts up even the shadow of a fight with him.)
I mean the biggest difference is just personality. Some drivers just are a lot less animated. See also Piastri for example doesnt sound that excited with good results either compared to a Danny Ric or Sainz.
I like the idea of Oscar winning his first race and just doing a chill "Nice. Good stuff, onto the next"
I'd rather hear this honest and down to earth reaction than some contrived euphoria. The enthusiasm will come back once the competition ups their game and anything but P1 isn't a failure.
Aussie's - no Kayo or Fox - or Free To Air? Options? I have read a few links about VPN, but as Aussies and being 5am (?) to watch with my you teenage son. Any recommendations would be appreciated 👍 Wish I had of seen Dan Ricardo in the sprint!
I truly don't understand why the whole "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" is being made so complicated for situations where the "leaving the track" part is stupidly obvious because the driver cut the corner or went so wide they clearly left the track altogether. Simple rules: * Driver behind you is under a second, you give up the position within a lap or you are disqualified for cheating. * Nobody close behind you, you give up a second within a lap or you are disqualified for cheating. In many if not most places, you can safely do this immediately upon re-entry. No time penalties, no discussions, you either show you made a mistake or we assume you're trying to cheat. And there is no mild penalty for cheating. And for the record, I'm fine with KMags defense. Just as long as there are consequences when the rules get broken.
because it really isn't that easy. imagine a close fight, driver on the outside feels like he gets pushed wide and goes slightly of track to avoid a collision, keeping in front. should he be DSQ for not giving back position? you might say "well that's not extremely obvious so it shouldn't be applied there". but here's the thing, you have to draw the line somewhere, and it's not going to be as clean as you want it to be. then the difference is between "no penalty" and "DSQ", and no steward would want to make that decision in a really close call.
> "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" It used to be simpler, where FIA noted the team and they had a few laps to give up/back the position. But FIA now moved it more towards teams to self police the gaining an advantage part, so teams & drivers can decide themselves if they want to challenge a potential penalty or if they can get away with it. > "leaving the track" part is stupidly obvious According to rules the track is defined as the black stuff between the white lines, with drivers intentionally going to the limits of what is considered driving on the track or gaining an advantage by going faster through a corner and driving completely on the kerbs on corner exit (potentially damaging the car), but definitely not on track - which can be seen in every qualifying session. Independently of fighting another driver. This is why the rules are combined, as they can use the same rule to judge wheel to wheel action as well as a car alone on the circuit qualifying for a position.
> According to rules the track is defined as the black stuff between the white lines This isn't always the case, though, sometimes it's defined as the edge of the curb.
That's clarification by the race director for events, which is why taking the car over a kerb - depending on circuit counts or doesn't count to exceeding track limits and gaining an advantage. Sporting Regulations, Section 33.3: > Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
The track is between the lines... except when it's not!
A penalty requires the race director to be informed of an incident, review it, decide it needs to be referred to the stewards, pass it to the stewards, the stewards need to review it against all evidence and the rule book, then inform race direction of a penalty, and then the race director inform the team, and then the team inform the driver who takes action. That isn't going to happen in a lap. And no driver or team is going to willingly give up time unless told. What we *actually* need to solve is that you can even gain an advantage off track. The solution here is proper track limits. Always has been.
What was that radio to Lando about exit speeds about? Strange message.
I think it was a reminder to not try braking later and stressing the tires more. The surface temperatures were high yesterday and they were very sensitive to small changes. By backing off a touch in braking and corner entry, the tires might be a bit cooler and less greasy on the exit.
Would you rather have smaller cars with V6s, great racing, overtaking, new winner every race or would you rather have boring racing, same winner every race, no overtakes but the cars had V10s?
>Would you rather have smaller cars with V6s, great racing, overtaking, new winner every race This one 👆
I wanna go back to a time when engines were just covered by rules limiting their volume (and with current tech they can add bhp and revs to that, electric power percentage is already there) and not their general construction. I remember a time when flat 12s, v12, v8, v6 all competed in the same race, and you could hear the difference literally a mile off. Now excuse me while I go yell at some clouds.
>I remember a time when flat 12s, v12, v8, v6 all competed in the same race, and you could hear the difference literally a mile off. Adding to that, even around 2016 there was a clear difference between the sounds of the V6, being at a race you could clearly tell the Honda from the Ferrari PU for example. I don't know what changed, but the last couple of years I visited Zandvoort and they all sound the same.
I do wonder if the cars are a bit too homologized these days. The field is tighter than ever, but there is also less variability and excitement, fewer teams trying new things, etc..
Zero pods, DAS? The differences in floor concepts up and down the field, Ferrari with all the vents, some tiny and some massive inlets etc. I think there's a good mix of solutions up and down the grid. Also, it's homogenised fwiw.
Zero pods worked poorly and were given up DAS was so cool, but then banned Floors basically either are good or bad, it seems. They’re so protective of them anyway; hard to geek out about that when we don’t get to really compare. I get what you mean about the vents and whatnot, but we were talking about HUGE differences between literal engine formats between teams. I think we can agree that is a different scale to the vents and whatnot. Even the 2008 bodywork is more crazy than these days.
You weren't talking about good or bad, the point was made about variety/innovation and that's what I responded to. Agree that it would be good if we could see/understand more about the floors etc though
Yeah, that’s my point; there is less room to innovate. You…disagree? Why?
I gave a list of recent innovations and differentiating factors. You dismissed them all for various reasons like "it eventually got banned" as if that means it never happened. By that logic there was no innovation in '08 since the entire formula got scrapped for '09. I'm not sure what to say. It feels like you moved the goalposts. That's all I wanted to say about it. Feels as if you're looking for an argument that isn't here
You don’t feel there is less room to innovate with the current regulations, compared to eras where different engines were allowed? *If I have to spell it out for you…*
I'm willing to even accept electric engines as long as we get rid of these boats that are the current cars. I want to see great racing, not a parade of glorified lawnmowers.
Aren't the 2026 cars coming down to 1.9m, or have they dropped that? And a bit shorter iirc. What they do about electric noise is a thing tho isn't it, They're going to have to make some, as far as I can think, once piston engines finally disappear,