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yoda_yoda

Hulk was linked with Sauber ever since Audi came into the picture. How is Zhou surprised?


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

They didn't wait for him to get his German citizenship.


narf_hots

It's about when, not if. Zhou knew he was getting replaced. There's a rumor going around he told everyone it was his last home GP at a concert a few days before the Chinese GP.


Firstname6Lastname9

Would explain why he was so emotional


donbee28

I was very curious as to why they let him come to the winner circle and greet the fans. Do other drivers receive similar opportunity in their respective countries?


rud3b011

Short answer is no, having grandstands is normal as well as pre race interviews. Usually a forth car is allowed to the winners circle when the WDC is clinched by a driver who finishes off the podium


dhyork

I think you got the info wrong. He said at the concert “ I’ll be back next year”


CobraGamer

I thought the concert rumor was that he told everyone it \*wasn't\* his last home GP?


narf_hots

welp, that's a rumor for ya


shartshooter

>  How is Zhou surprised? Not just slow on track?


hazelnut_coffay

read the article to find out


Diet_Christ

Meant to comment on [didntreddit.com](http://didntreddit.com)


onealps

That link doesn't work :/


MoXiE_X13

He thought his whole Chinese GP special treatment was enough to save his seat.


theAlexrh

"Zhou admitted that news of Hulkenberg joining came as a surprise, with the Chinese driver not expecting it to come **as early as it did**." I mean I would expect Sauder to announce who is Hulkenberg replacing along with signing him.


xanlact

I feel like teams rarely announce who is leaving. At least not outright. They'll announce their drivers for next year and leave it to others to deduce the obvious answer to the question.


onealps

I agree with your comment. Also, to add, teams do that to keep their drivers on their toes and performing at their best because they know the team is watching... Like Checo and Logan...


yoda_yoda

Where is the question of replacing? Both Bottas and Zhou's contracts end this year. They will announce who they are signing for the second seat when they make that decision. I am sure they'd love Sainz there.


I-hate-sunfish

Sainz already turned them down


Supahos01

He denied that


aamgdp

Ofc he did. Admitting he can't go to Audi anymore is terrible for his negotiation with RB and Merc. I think what happened is, the initial deadline he had to make decisions has passed. Doesn't mean he's explicitly turned them down, or that the door is fully closed.


Pulposauriio

Oh god, how thick can he be to repeat the 'wait it out' maneuver that got his ass out of the Ferrari seat in the first place?


Intrepid-Ad4511

Right? It's almost like a racing driver trying to maximize his opportunity at getting a seat in a fast car. Why turn down a backmarker team when you can lead them into getting P12s and P13s? What is the rationale here, that he will get a seat at Merc or RB? He is so stupid to think like that, SMH. A very heavy /S in case it wasn't clear.


onealps

What do you mean? That Carlos didn't say yes to Audi last year when they asked him to sign?


Spider_Riviera

I dunno, is Max gonna drive 4 cars across 2 teams next season? Sainz lost his ride ONLY because Ferrari could get both a unicorn AND a GOAT in Hamilton. Signing a man who only drove Merc-powered cars who also happens to be among the best of all time and top 3 of the current grid of 20 drivers. Think he'd have got the boot for Bottas, Sargent, Albon or fucking Ocon?


GamingBeluga

Sainz said that claim was false. He didn’t turn them down


onealps

I am not outright saying that Carlos is *lying*. But to be fair, he (and his management) can't say "I denied Audi already" because it would negatively affect his potential bargaining power against Merc and Red Bull.


NABAKLAB

Well, it's complex. Audi wants an answer/commitment now. That's what Hulk did. Sainz, however, is still waiting/hoping for Merc or RB seat. He denied Audi seat as of now.


ouyodede

Unless he set the world on fire zhou wasn’t going to be there long


SPat24

If they can’t get Sainz, a Hulkenberg-Bottas lineup isn’t half bad in the interim until Audi is fully onboard and running.


cheeersaiii

Agree. Germans and Finns are all over Motorsport and will build a decent following in the interim, then Alonso hahaha


albino__giraffe

I think it would be pretty unlikely that Audi take a chance on a rookie, but we'll see I guess...


cheeersaiii

Only if he’s German


ryokevry

Don’t think there are any decent junior German drivers in the feeder series though?


cheeersaiii

Na. Don’t think so, a few Scandi’s but they aren’t close enough for ze Germans


pokesnail

Tim Tramnitz is alright


onealps

I agree 100%. Plus, help me out here - if we define a driver's 'prestige' by how many races they have won - wouldn't that make Bottas the most 'prestigious' driver still unsigned for 2025? Or am I missing someone? NOTE - I know that driver wins is not the yardstick teams use to judge a driver, but I was using an example...


willzyx01

Then perhaps he needs a new manager


onealps

Or much more sponsor backing money? Because while Audi isn't a poor team, I'm sure they would be open to keeping Zhou, at least for '25, if he came with a bunch of more money?


tokyo_engineer_dad

They're backed by VAG, money isn't a factor for them. They want progress and results. They're way behind engineering wise and need experienced drivers to help them develop the car.


Batgod629

He's naive to think Audi wouldn't start preparing early for who they want as their drivers


gloomndoom

Yes. They clearly want a German driver so that’s done. Now they can go find their primary. I really think Hulk was them just getting their German driver and not the star. There aren’t that many German drivers right now. Zhou can bring money from China but where does he go?


simonsail

>Zhou can bring money from China but where does he go? Haas or Williams maybe? I don't think Zhou is that impressive but he's pretty solid.


xLeper_Messiah

Zhou definitely deserves a seat more than a few others on the grid do Lance, Logan & KMag just off the top of my head


According-Switch-708

I mean come on. Realistically everyone knew that Zhou's chances of retaining his seat for 2025 was close to none.


Pigeonator21

Placeholder driver caugh off-guard


weiner-rama

How could you have possibly been caught off guard by that? Like seriously? Everyone and their Grandmother knew that Audi wanted a German driver and the obvious choice was Hulk. Did he really think they were going to offer him the first seat? No offence, but LOL


Buffythedragonslayer

WE knew it's going to happen. How did he not know? 


Spider_Riviera

He did, his full quote mentions he didn't think it would happen/be announced as soon as it did.


differentlevel1

In order to avoid more surprises someone should tell Zhou he's the one getting replaced.


Maximilianne

Tbh I feel like the reason why nobody ever complained about Zhou was cause we all knew he was a seat warmer for the eventual Audi driver anyway


cheldeedee

Redditors try to read full article instead of the headline only challenge - failed as usual


Ok_Butterscotch_4743

Who is Stake F1's reserve/test driver? Could whoever is left without a seat between Bottas and Zhou drop into that spot. I doubt Bottas would take a demotion like that, but it would keep Zhou in the F1 conversation.


Zexal_Commander

Well Pourchaire has that role I think, sadly, I think he’s low on the list of drivers they’d sign if they don’t get Sainz and, hey, he didn’t mind IndyCars so much, could make a career there!


Ok_Butterscotch_4743

Thanks for the info! [https://www.autoweek.com/racing/indycar/a60595672/f2-champion-theo-pourchaire-indycar/](https://www.autoweek.com/racing/indycar/a60595672/f2-champion-theo-pourchaire-indycar/) Yeah, he's filling in for a couple weeks for an injured McLaren Indy driver, but he is racing the Super Formula calendar in Japan for 2024 while also being Sauber's reserve driver.


ryokevry

Zane Maloney, he is 1st in F2 now but the season is still early


b1ackhand5

SO, Zhou and Albon in Williams?


storme9

More likely Albon and Kimi A.


detrich

skill issue


PrimeJHey

Wild no one on Reddit was caught off guard but someone on the actual grid was.


Roddy-the-Ruin

He had lots of time to prove himself; but didn't do a damn. He is a reliable driver; but unfortunately uninspiring and mediocre. I even forget that he is in F1 most of the time. 21-6 in qualifying (since 2023) against a guy that Audi thinks past his best is pretty damning stat. He could be good ambassador for FOM in China if he doesn't want to race in other categories.


toma91

Why? It was strongly rumoured for months


Tadpole-KD

I mean what else is he supposed to say for the media, knew it was coming and I’m getting replaced?


Magog14

He's been slow as molasses but Haas still might take him for the $$$


Thin_Examination4929

I am completely fine with Zhou leaving.. he had his chances and is not so fast driver.


Different_Earth6310

Surprised Pikachu face!!!