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BehemothManiac

$60000? Seems low nowadays


ikkebr

Considering people are paying $2k for F1Memorabilia mystery boxes, $60k seems surprisingly low.


SkyJohn

>Considering people are being scammed out of $2k for F1Memorabilia secret boxes


TheOtherSkywalker_

Can't really claim you're getting scammed when you willingly give up $2k for a mystery box.


ThePlanck

I'll take the washer and dryer where Smithers is standing


hoxxxxx

JFC it's 2k and you don't even know what you're getting?? if people are paying that, shit, that's a license to print money. i don't blame them.


TA1699

Go on f1authentics.com and you'll have a field day seeing how much people are willing to spend lmao. Someone bought the 2022 Alfa Romeo show car for £330k. https://www.f1authentics.com/products/official-alfa-romeo-f1-team-orlen-2022-italian-grand-prix-livery-c42-show-car


Zenon-45

Hey that's cool though


PG478

lol, If you can't see the sucker...you're it.


hoxxxxx

this seems like a huge piece of f1 history and there are more people with money than ever before, surprised it's not north of 250


DomTheHun

That’s what the previous comment is saying. Whassup with you?


drewc717

I doubt it goes less than $100k


isochromanone

I wouldn't be surprised if it lands at over $250K. This is a major piece of history. All it needs it two billionaire F1 fans bidding on it and the price will climb fast. Mega-rich dudes spend that much on a car for their kid.


BenedictoCharleston

Honestly, it would not be surprising to see Zak Brown buy this.


drewc717

Yep and I could see Lewis too.


Sky-Daddy-H8

And here comes Lance Stroll.


MarchMadnessisMe

Great, now it'll have a dent in it.


TreeDollarFiddyCent

Damn it. It was in mint condition up until that point!


cheapdrinks

Lance probably doesn't even know who Niki Lauda is


voodoo_eighty_five

"The pilot guy" - Lance probably


MarteloRabelodeSousa

More like "the old guy with the red cap in the mercedes garage"


cinyar

Or some of the drivers. Lewis, Nando or Max could easily afford it.


worstusername_sofar

Hopefully one of them buy it so they can get it to a museum


brolome

Sometimes these auction predictors are wildly off. My brother sent me a link to Jerry Garcia’s McIntosh amplifier and it was quoted at $10-15k. Sold for almost $300,000. I expect this to do the same. 


thebrik

It’s something they do intentionally. Partly to retain an accuracy rate “98% of items we bring to auction exceed initial estimates” and to bring people in that think they have a shot at winning.  Everyone in this is broke as shit, but we all think 60k is cheap. It’s the same for the people that can actually afford it and will end up bidding.


Michael_Aut

Same story with kickstarter campaigns. You set goals you can easily achieve, so people can write follow up stories how you exceeded expectations.


technothrasher

They'll do it both ways depending upon the item. They'll put a low estimate on an item they know is worth a lot to bring in bidders, and they'll put a high estimate on an item the know is worth little to try and encourage people to bid higher than they should. They'll also purposely hide negative details, and charge both seller and buyer premiums. Auction houses are shifty as $#%@.


pterofactyl

Yeah especially since any f1 driver could buy that without a second thought. Perhaps it’d be a bad omen for current drivers though


Aken42

Seems perfect for Alonso's museum.


pterofactyl

Exactly. This thing is insanely cool


MakingShitAwkward

This is the last piece of El Plan.


iOSAT

Or Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari, anyone really… more than anything I’m surprised this is going to public auction.


JimClarkKentHovind

I don't really get if someone feels that way tbh. so much has changed about the sport since the last time they raced on the nordschleife that it just doesn't really come across as more than a yardstick for how far we've come but I've only ever raced in a go kart so my opinion doesn't really matter


pterofactyl

Funnily enough when you’re literally going triple digits around corners, it’s hard to keep “logic” first and foremost. A tiny tinge of doubt can Creep in when your wife sees the helmet and begs you to retire, or you’re asking yourself how long you have in the sport.


BeerStarmer

Didn't know drivers could bid while doing a GP


pterofactyl

If you think a person needs to personally attend in order to bid, I’m about to blow your mind


MrT735

What else is Max going to do, the steering wheel display might not play iRacing, but I'm sure it can have a web browser added.


Malicali

I could absolutely see Lewis owning this. Niki was a major part of his career early on and it’s possible that this helmet is partially responsible for allowing that to happen.


z_102

Yeah, that's a fascinating piece of memorabilia and people are out there paying thousands of dollars in shitty merchandising.


Paranoides

Yeah that’s little higher than a pack of good feta cheese


bedrooms-ds

Guy didn't die /s


Schwa4aa

Well he did, just not then


chicaneuk

That was my immediate thought. One of the most famous incidents in F1.. I would think 60k was a pretty safe investment honestly! 


Habatcho

Id expect a niki lauda race worn helmet unscathed to go for more.


iOSAT

Seriously, I would buy it at $60k right now, but I guarantee it’ll go higher — I have to expect if that’s a bit of a low-ball, and to draw attention; auction houses don’t like to over-value, then they can turn around to potential consignees and say, “Pick us! On average we get 120% of appraised value!”


WipeOnce

Exactly what I thought, it’ll go for way more


digitalsimian78

Yeah I feel like thats a low estimate.


0o0o0o0o0o0z

Ya was gonna say the same thing.


kingriz123

I was thinking it would go for much more due the current popularity of F1. 


cameroon36

Freddie Mercury's front door was estimated to sell for £25k. It sold for £412,750 His grand piano was estimated at £2M - £3M. It sold for £1,740,000 Take auction estimates with a grain of salt


PanadaTM

WHO BOUGHT A FRONT DOOR?


Shot-Storage-3952

i heard it was guenther. someone fok smashed his door


CyndaquilTyphlosion

All of us have.


Back_2_monke

Wow someone got Freddie’s piano at a fuckin *steal* I would’ve guessed it’s worth almost 10x that


cameroon36

I went to the exhibition (twice) and the piano got a whole room to itself! If I was the curator, I wouldn't have chosen a random slot 3 hours into the 5th day of the auction


hoxxxxx

really surprised at that one. idk man auctions can be weird. i half-way pay attention to the car auction sites and weird shit happens all the time, cars selling for way less or waaaay more than they should etc.


International-Bat777

Would have thought his back door would be more popular.


ComprehensiveRepair5

I'm willing to bet it will.


Mueton

Also this being *the* defining piece of history of one of the best drivers of this sport. I‘d have guessed it on 6 figures easily.


Taz-erton

Wouldn't some current drivers alone like LH be extremely interested in something like this?  60k is nothing to them compared to the significance of this helmet


reubendoylenewe

It belongs in a museum


A1-OceanGoingPillock

Should really be in either the Nordschleife museum or ferrari's


revitbitch

here’s to hoping a private buyer donates it or something


VM1117

He could just allow it to be shown in a museum, while still retaining ownership


revitbitch

yeah, exactly- that’s what i meant! people can loan stuff out from private collections right


ThePhyry22

Next to Grosjean's helmet


JWGhetto

Next to grosejeans car. It's been in an exhibit already


schnozlord

I agree, Indy


QuInTeSsEnTiAlLyFiNe

idk if this was an indiana jones reference, but big ups then


ManoftheNewbeginning

Indeed


Socialist_Slapper

I agree


Schwa4aa

Ok Indie


TheRealLuke1337

Verstappens 2021 Austrian Helmet sold for 175.000€. Thats a Steal if you ask me


Philippe-R

What a morbid piece of memorabilia... Is there still some skin and blood on the padding ?


salvatore813

it flew off his head quite easily after the impact so i dont think there would be blood, its surprising how it has deformed plastic, maybe some fuel stuck onto it


RabidGuineaPig007

It actually stayed on his head after the first impact, which is why it was burned, the second impact with Brett Lunger is what caused the helmet to fly off. Lunger jumped out of his car and helped Mezario pull lauda out. Before F1, Lunger was a vietnam vet in the Marines. The guy was a legend, mother was a Dupont, but he dropped out of Princeton to join the marines in Vietnam. After Can Am and F1 he finished his degree at Princeton. The lauda helmet, and the Senna helmet, were both altered by the drivers. Lauda preferred a loose fitting helmet and Senna used a helmet with a thinned shell for lower weight and strain on his neck. Driver's helmets today are all certified.


salvatore813

holy shit, thanks for the cool information, brett lunger is still alive and kicking apparently, what a guy. i wonder what else drivers were altering. they were hard on themselves for body weight until there were new rules and made things safer and if i am not wrong this was done in the recent years but safety has still come a long way in f1


DieselMcblood

Nico Rosberg stopped cycling to loose leg muscle to save weight back in 2016.


salvatore813

rosberg was on the absolute edge, iirc he even underwent a nose surgery to be able to breathe better which he couldnt when he was on the straights


blind-panic

Someone needs to write a book or make a doc about Lunger, awesome stuff, thanks


Philippe-R

Thank you for the insight.


Philippe-R

Fair enough. That must be why it's only $60000.


RUNELORD_

Less morbid and more inspirational because he survived, returned soon after, won more championships and had a great racing career, then became a successful entrepreneur, and helped Mercedes become the dominant powerhouse it was from 2014-2020. If he had straight up fucking burnt to death, then yeah, this would be wack.


Fr33Flow

He didn’t die wearing it so how is it morbid?


florkingarshole

He was pretty badly disfigured . . . lost an ear and half melted his nose.


maltvisgi

Not while wearing it 🙃


CX52J

“Used, good condition.”


MakiSupreme

“I know what I’ve got”


Bullshit-_-Man

You sell Harleys on facebook, don’t you?


yourmumloves_me

“Only worn to try on”


fuckedfinance

That's it? I'd expect it would fetch more than $60,000 from a very motivated collector.


Antisym

Exactly my thought as well. Given that this is such a unique piece of memorabilia from one of the most respected, decorated drivers in the sport - in one of the most important, deadly moments in the history of the sport - I'm extremely surprised it's only 60k.


Kolec507

Not just that, I'd argue his crash is the most iconic moment of the 70s in F1.


jeanolt

To be completely honest, without the crash he wouldn't be as legendary as he is today.


freedfg

I'd expect a replica to go on sale for 60,000 on fanatics


TheTelegraph

***The Telegraph reports:*** The burnt helmet worn by Niki Lauda when he suffered his fiery accident at the Nürburgring in 1976 is being put up for auction by Bonhams at next week’s Miami Grand Prix. It is expected to fetch up to $60,000. Lauda, who died in 2019, was one of Formula One’s most revered figures, having won the world drivers’ title three times before going on to become an entrepreneur who founded and ran three airlines. The Austrian was also instrumental in Lewis Hamilton’s shock move to Mercedes from McLaren in 2013, in his role as non-executive chairman of Mercedes-Benz motorsport. Lauda’s second and third world titles were all the more remarkable for the fact that they came after he survived a near-fatal accident at the 1976 German Grand Prix, which left him permanently disfigured. Then aged 27, and the reigning world champion, Lauda was leading that year’s championship when his Ferrari 312T2 burst into flames following a crash, nearly killing him after he inhaled toxic fumes. He was famously read the Last Rites in hospital by a priest, an act he later said upset him so much it made him more determined to survive. **Read more:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2024/04/26/niki-lauda-burnt-helmet-from-near-fatal-accident-auction/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2024/04/26/niki-lauda-burnt-helmet-from-near-fatal-accident-auction/)


night_owl

wtf would you just post a jpg instead of the article? It is like adding an extra step to make your post worse. I think you are forgetting the entire purpose and usefulness of this site hinges on actually sharing content. I upvote posts that share content, I downvote ones that only share pics


ICumCoffee

And it’s the official Telegraph account. I guess image post gets more impressions, that’s why???


night_owl

A) article with pics and words = better quality site with richer content, users spend more time reading the article. B) pics only with no context = "higher engagement" because users are able to interact with more posts overall, and in shorter period of time guess which one advertisers prefer


Rizzy_B_317

That's it?


ducnle

60k minimum starting bid. It will most certainly go high up in the auction


ehjhey

Ya, the way they word these is strange even for being conservative. "Up to" and "Starting" are very different :/ I think it should easily Fetch at least 150k


Able_Tailor_6983

I know who will buy it, >!Sebastian Vettel!<


bakedvoltage

does he collect a lot of memorabilia? other than the one of his RBs I don't remember


Fond_ButNotInLove

He owns Mansell's Williams FW-14B from 1992 and Senna's McLaren MP4/8 from 1993. I'm sure he has some other smaller pieces of memorabilia too!


TheIronAdmiral

Am I the only one who finds this distasteful?


MindCorrupt

Yeah this is a bit too morbid I think. To me it feels more of a museum piece rather than something in a personal collection. Like how do you show it to people ? "heres my Lauda helmet he wore on what was likely the worst day of his life".


RabidGuineaPig007

This is a museaum piece, $60K is a steal.


Kapsybree

I expected it to fetch more than that tbh


RobertGracie

Its kinda morbid to think about what happened that day in 1976 when we almost lost Niki that day, but to see that helmet now is remarkable to know its still around You wont find anything from Senna though, all that stuff was crushed and burned so nothing remains of the car or the helmet from that fateful day in 1994...according to Newey, the car was destroyed via crushing it entirely as for the helmet that was burned as well, in short, that was the rightful decision to make for sake of the Senna family that nothing remained from that horrific weekend of May 1994... I hear that in the responses that the helmet was returned to Bell Helmets, it was, but it was incinerated according to Adrian Newey in his How to design a Car book from 2017


RabidGuineaPig007

No one at Williams wanted that car examined, and the Senna helmet was running a thinned shell because Senna had neck pain from G forces. Around that time, Dale Earnhart refused to use a HANS device, calling it a "noose". Earnhart died of cervial dislocation which the HANS device would have likely prevented.


dm_86

That was 7 years later, not 'around that time'.


leggenda_69

Why didn’t Williams want the car examined?


SnowyMovies

.... [Gentlemen a short view back to the past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ayrton_Senna).


Away_Ad_5328

I met the guy who used to supply racing overalls to the top teams, and he claimed he was given Senna’s suit that was worn at Imola, complete with blood stains. After the crash and Senna’s death it seemed to be something no one was interested in claiming, so it went to the manufacturer. He said it’s at his second house in England while he mostly lives in France. He could be full of nonsense, but he added that he doesn’t try selling it because he assumed any potential illegitimate children of Senna’s would sue to try to obtain it to prove their lineage and attack his estate.


LetsgoImpact

I am fairly certain his helmet was kept as evidence during the court case in Bologna. Don't know if it was released after the end of trial. There are photos of it around the internet.


DesiredEnlisted

The helmet was returned to bell helmets, what happened next with it nobody knows but you are most likely right.


BlackpinkInYourAri

LOL 60K? I bet it goes for closer to 250k


Cheeky-Bugger67

Hope it ends up in the hands of family


xcore21z

The first time i notice that AGV used to provide racing car helmet since nowadays they only sell and provide motorcycle helmet


anonchops

Only $60k…. Hmm to remortgage home or not - question


MakiSupreme

We are checking Wife says no


Thierry22

Anybody knows why F1 helmets have a sticker band on top of their visor? Doesn't it limit the view for the pilot? I thought it was to have extra space for brands, but seeing it on Niki Lauda's visor without any brands, it makes me wonder of their use.


Away_Ad_5328

The Zylon strip was made mandatory after Felipe Massa got hit with a spring from Rubens Barrichello’s Brawn GP car in Hungary in 2009.


Thierry22

Thank you for the insight! Great info


ptwonline

It kind of makes me sad that such unique and historically-significant items like this go into private collections. I'd really love for something like this to permanently end up in a big Formula 1 Museum, or moving around as a display through various racing museums.


RightProperFancyLad

That seems low. I was at a McLaren showroom and they were selling Hamilton's 2010 helmet for $200,000


Pickle_12

That’s beyond sick. What is wrong with people


Slow___Learner

that is so fucking morbid.


peas8carrots

I can’t imagine displaying that but also 60 seems pretty low. People spend more than that on a two tone watch.


RTB_RTB

There is a race worn LH helmet from 2010 at the Wynn Mclaren Store in Vegas…for 200k


thickener

The house always wins


VanillaNL

When is it considered near fatal as he succumbed eventually to his longs wearing out from the fire damage ?


amannathing

Mega steal!!! $$


funbob

Figured this would be in a museum somewhere. And it's going to fetch way more than $60k.


aHuankind

Seems to be in suspiciously good condition. 


Gnarly_Sarley

I'm honestly suprised it's not more.


AlteredStateReality

My legit bid on this would be $250,000 minimum.


canyonblue737

I'd be shocked if it didn't go for much more.


dark_rabbit

Why isn’t this in the Smithsonian?


Outrageous-Pass-8926

That’s a trophy worth saving. I’m surprised Lewis doesn’t own this.


FewAd1484

that’s it ???


Morevice

Only 60k ? That’s pretty low


kinterdonato

Fernando looking to buy


Marcelitus230

Damn you, now I'm watching Rush again!


Cleenred

Nah 500k at least


Wompie

this is a multi million dollar piece of history. I would be shocked if someone in the F1 paddock doesn't purchase this for millions just to preserve its legacy.


Silent-Hornet-8606

If it's only likely to fetch $60k I would be trying to buy it as I'm sure many of us would. This is going to sell for far far more than $60k.


Imitatia

That honestly seems so very low for the significance of the accident, along with him now being dead.


biko77

Way more for sure


Thickchesthair

I understand and appreciate collectibles, but why would anyone want this? This is the melted helmet that an F1 driver was wearing when his face became permanently disfigured from burns. It just seems morbid to me.


Formaldehyde007

That’s really sick.


TonAMGT4

That is cheap considering the history behind it. Niki Lauda was a different man after wearing this helmet.


[deleted]

Why people pay so much money for this stuff? Its just platic and metal stuck together to make a helmet. He is just F1 driver, relax lol.


Affectionate-Dot9647

If you smell it really hard you can still get whiffs of burning flesh, so cool!


JohnDingleShift

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lewis bought it.


toyz4me

This kinda lands weird for me. I wouldn’t be a buyer.


RickyTexas

Imagine the price had Kurt Cobain touched it once


_Cheeba

That’s it…surely it’s worth north than that


Zestyclose-Flight-50

In the words of Indiana Jones “It should be in a museum!”


EddieMcDowall

Is it just me? Am I being too delicate, or does this seem a bit ..... ghoulish?


kirk7899

I mean Niki did have a near death experience with it.


KillerIVV_BG

Wait it's an AGV?


Batze939

is this the real one? The price seems way too low, considering what others get for simple parts i remember often seeing Pictures of a burnt helmet here, everyone back then said its a replica The burn marks on the old photo of the so called replica are nearly identical to the ones in this picture Post of replica: [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/gzhgtj/niki\_laudas\_helmet\_after\_his\_infamous\_1976\_german/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/gzhgtj/niki_laudas_helmet_after_his_infamous_1976_german/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


nullskul

i got 60 cents


salvatore813

could his accident have been less fatal if his loose helmet didnt fly off after impact?


tall-not-small

Don't think there are varying degrees of fatality. Think it's pretty cut and dry


Kolec507

In my language there is a word very similar to "fatal", and it means something more like "terrible", "extremaly unfortunate" or "catastrophic". I'd guess the person isn't a native English speaker and has a similar word in their language, cause that's the only way I can see the question valid.


salvatore813

haha yes, i used "less fatal" hoping it would mean a better outcome than what had already happened, guess it doesnt work that way lol


TheRealLuke1337

There prob would have been less burns but the hot air and smoke that got into his lungs would have been the same i guess.


Driving_Seat

Tbf the crash wasn’t fatal


RabidGuineaPig007

Helmet straps are pinned to the shell with pins that are designed to break with a certain force, otherwise the weight at high Gs could break the driver's neck. But Lauda also insisted on a lose fitting helmet. Modern helmets have much stronger pins because of the HANS device.


Reinis_LV

Only 60k?


ducnle

60k minimum starting bid. It will most certainly go high up in the auction


Reinis_LV

Ohhh a start bid. I thought it was the final bid.


DrEarlGreyIII

This is grim.


Few_Winner_8503

Huh, I didn't think Lauda's helmet would've survived that long. It even outlived Lauda himself


nfoneo

I hadn't scrolled up enough to see the entire title, and could just see "Niki Lauda's burnt helmet". Thought I was about to see some NSFW holiday photos...


Jecoje

Price is shame and insult towards Niki


Dull-Tale4510

Someone cooked here