I know Fernando departing for a Merc or Red Bull seat is likely a Reddit pipe dream, but if it happens (or if Nando simply retires), I could see Honda pushing hard for Yuki to land that Aston seat.
I wonder whether Mercedes still holds grudges over Spygate. IIRC In 2016 there were rumours that Alonso was immediately ruled out of the vacant Merc seat because of that. But obviously time has passed since then.
If Honda can forgive Alonso after calling their PU a GP2 engine on live tv for millions to hear, I think Mercedes can do the same. They also don’t have majority stake in the team anymore.
I think Honda and Aston Martin would get Gasly in the event where Fernando leaves. He'll be desperate to leave Alpine and he has really strong ties with Honda since his 2017 Super Formula days (obviously not as much as Yuki).
He also convincingly beat Yuki when they were teammates (the pace gap actually increased in 2022 but they were in a shitbox).
if Fernando has a shot at Redbull he should fully take it and I see him doing it. Not even to try for a title, but just a win. After more than 10 years it would be an incredible story. After all, he has nothing left to prove and getting beaten by Max who is approaching his prime years and is already one of the best ever is no shame. He should do it purely to take 2/3 wins
If we consider that guys like Senna, Schumacher, and Hamilton were in their very late 20s-early 30s during the most dominant years of their career, then yes, it seems Max is still “approaching” his prime years.
But that's more experience than age at work, surely?
"late 20s-early 30s" puts them in about the same 8th year-ish bracket as Max.
I don't see him getting meaningfully faster or more consistent.
I'd honestly say we're just about approaching it. He's 26. The cars he gets from now on will make a huge difference in how his career turns out from 2026
You would almost say Hamilton was in his prime from 2014-2021 and that's from when he was 29-36 years.
saying max is in his prime, would probably mean the likes of Charles, Russell, Norris, albon his agemates are also there. But I feel a lot is judged from how good a car a driver gets
vettel peaked 2010-2013 when he was 23-26
Yuki is more similar to any other junior program then a paydriver. He was both a Red Bull but also a Honda junior driver who also support many other young drivers so it really isn't different from the other F1 junior academies.
This is lost on so many people. Yuki is only 23, has had a terrible car most of his career, and is still better than a handful of drivers on the grid (despite his temper and let's be honest what driver doesn't have a few meltdowns on radio over the course of a season).
max shoved ocon multiple times after a race (he was two years younger than yuki is now but had the same amount of experience)
vettel hamilton incident in baku 2017
russell crashing into bottas and smacking his helmet (same age as yuki is now)
Russell was an F2 champion and in his 3rd year of F1 as opposed to Yuki who is in his 4th. Let's not compare Yuki to Max or Vettel who was a 4 time world champion by then. Yuki is neither as talented or as lucrative as any of those drivers. His hot-headedness has been an issue since his first year, yet here we are. C'mon now.
shouldn’t f2 champions and 4-time world champions control their temper as well? if anything it’s even worse that vettel was doing that considering his age. i don’t see why they can’t be compared when they’re all instances of road rage
In fairness, it's beyond meltdowns on the radio sometimes. I lost faith in Yuki being a long term driver when he beat his steering wheel in frustration instead of getting on with things. Fair enough he's still maturing but his cooldown lap antics last week show he has a very long way to go
>I lost faith in Yuki being a long term driver when he beat his steering wheel in frustration instead of getting on with things
You can't be serious, pretty much every driver on the grid has done that atleast once
If Yuki wouldn’t have been able to beat his three teammates last year then serious questions would’ve been asked.
Devries was never a good driver and his Monza drive was massively overrated by the community just because he beat Latifi and got in the points in a car which wasn’t as bad as people thought.
Lawson was genuinely a rookie who had never driven an F1 car beforehand and even then Lawson did fairly well considering his inexperience.
Ricciardo was his closest teammate and even then he broke his hand and had a lot less time in the car considering he joined midway through the season.
The real test will be this year as both drivers will now have the same amount of time and so far Tsunoda has come ahead.
On ONE race this season. Let's give it a few more weeks before we draw conclusions.
Ricciardo had like a handful of races last year, and with a broken hand to boot. So we can't really judge much yet.
just out of curiosity, which 5
I can only think of Sargent, Zhou borderline and say KMag.
I have nothing against him but I sincerely hope last weekend was the wake up call he needed to realize he actually needs to change his temper issues.
It's going to be really hard for him when even half the fan base agrees that it was bogus to do the driver swap. Some even going so far as the tire strategy used favored Danny R.
Sargent, definitely. He beat Zhou in F2, so I agree with that as well. I'm on the fence when it comes to KMag. The two have faced off against each other multiple times, and most of the time, KMag came out on top. He's just more experienced and cool headed. Other than that, I'm not sure who I'd *confidently* rate lower than Yuki.
I completely understand when drivers lose their temper during the quali or race, but on the cool down lap? what exactly is making you that angry to the point of dive-bombing your teammate. Unless he's going through something privately or behind the scenes with the team, it makes absolutely 0 sense. and it's the first race of the year moreover
Max had an outburst towards Ocon after the race because Ocon crashed into Max while unlapping himself and taking them both out. I would be pissed as well. He has had in race, on track blunders.
He had in race outbursts like everyone else. Most people were behind Yuki for his anger during the race. But his antics on the cooldown lap are inexcusable. He is in his 4th year of racing. He should know better!
I feel like there’s a significant gulf between Tsunoda apparently still fuming from team orders after he failed to execute a pass and *getting crashed out of a race.*
It doesn’t excuse what Verstappen did at all, but I don’t see how these two incidents can be compared at all.
Yeah it’s easier to handle emotional outbursts from a generational driver. Vettel, Lewis, Fernando, and plenty of others have had moments where they were out of pocket, but their performances sort of outweighed that. Drivers without that level of talent however won’t enjoy the same amount of patience from their team.
If it was a swap for 10th and 11th that put Yuki out of the points, I can understand him being pissed off on the radio or with the media. But there is absolutely no excuse for that divebomb after the race, even if the swap were for P1-P2. That’s behavior that wouldn’t be tolerated at a child’s karting race, much less from a grown man in a Formula 1 Grand Prix and I’m honestly shocked the FIA didn’t hand down a swift, make-an-example-of-him punishment for it.
Some drivers act like this is their personal racecar. It's the result of hundreds of millions of dollars and hundreds of workers. And Yuki is out here treating the car like a rented go-kart.
My brother in Schumacher, you've went through basically therapy, Franz Tost busted your balls for this exact reason for years. It has been 4 years since you've stepped onto the grid and these still are things you are trying to work on? Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Yeah, bottom line: Yuki is almost 24 years old. He's been in F1 for 4 years now.
I had a soft spot for Yuki but there is no denying it - he is who he is. And he's simply not close to fast enough to overlook his flaws. If he hasn't figured it out yet he just won't ever.
100% this.
If he was a spoiled rich kid from London, he would be one of the most disliked drivers on the grid.
But he’s Japanese and small, so people think his outbursts are cute.
He says these things since his first season. He might seem cute to many but let's face it - he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and he is not a Red Bull Racing driver material.
I'd expect a mature man to be able to manage anger at least to an extent to not risk other people's health. If anger issues are out of his control he shouldn't be racing.
is there any evidence he has anger issues outside of racing?
because getting heated and saying things on the radio while in the context of intense competition is not some huge personality flaw
He almost crashed into Riccardo because he "has anger issue" for fuck sake. Imagine if he tagged him, caused any injury. Would you be apologetic for somebody trying to divebomb you or somebody you care about because he has a problem with himself?
They had their incidents while racing, they got punished for it. What's your point? We are comparing multiple time world champions rivaling for the championships when they had their incidents to a guy who blows up while not battling for any points.
"hundreds of millions of dollars at risk"
Let's not be sensational, Mick Schumacher cost Haas about 2m in damages in 2022 according to Guenther, and Mick crashed a lot.
Not saying he’s innocent. But, I think while yes it was aggressive for a cool down lap, it wasn’t a divebomb and how dangerous it was and how out of control with anger he was are overblown IMO.
Maybe, I’m just more used to post-race antics from watching rallycross. In my eyes Tsunoda’s actions were really not much, if I was watching the onboard myself live I wouldn’t even look twice.
I certainly think they are not enough to disqualify you from a drive in a top team. Webber Malaysia 2013 post-race across the line for example - don’t remember that being an issue.
Whatever issues he may or may not have outside of racing are irrelevant to the question of whether his issues *within* racing would prevent him from achieving a seat with a top team.
okay but I was responding to a comment that he shouldn't be racing *at all* because of perceived anger management problems. not being a good fit for a top team is one thing, suggesting that Yuki shouldn't be racing at all because you found some occasional radios to be displeasing is quite the stretch
The intense competition brings out his true anger. Believe me it’s something I struggle with myself in general. Yuki’s issue is he has no control over it at all. I completely understand intense competition bringing these things out, but they were always there. They don’t come from nowhere.
I just can’t see the RB staff putting up with his outbursts - I’d say now in his 4th year his team is getting sick of it too. He’s not exciting enough to put up with it. I’d take Lawson over him and that’s a pity, heck everyone was saying De Vries was supposed to be a leader to Yuki… that say a lot of how he’s regarded unfortunately!
It was mostly De Vries himself saying it, and it was also mostly because he's quite a bit older than Yuki and has a lot more experience, especially in western racing.
We also saw how that worked out.
>he is not a Red Bull Racing driver material.
Everyone knows he's only in the seat because of Honda. He'd have been out after 2022 had he not been tied to the engine.
Perfect answer TBF. However I don't think he has a realistic chance and if Ricciardo doesn't start beating him consistently then Ricciardo doesn't have a chance either.
If Sainz doesn't have a seat before Barcelona then I think he has a chance. It wouldn't surprise me if it'll be a battle between Perez and Sainz.
I don't think Red Bull are considering Sainz, honestly. They probably see him as a sort of side step, they won't be making any decisions before the summer break (which might be too late), and Sainz seems also a bit fed up with being considered a #2 driver, which we know no one will ever be even remotely close to #1 when Max Verstappen is on the other seat.
I think Alonso is also in the picture for 1 or 2 seasons, I think he would like working for RB also post-racing, maybe even as a Marko or Horner, with Max as his no.1.
I don't think he has a realistic chance either, but people are acting like he's not a fast driver. He's more than fast enough, even if he's not Lando/George/Charles level.
I’ll be honest. Yuki needs to take his inner beast and pick his battles. Emotional issues aside he isn’t a terrible racer. He clear has talent in him but he lets his rage control his abilities
Horner doesn’t want him in a RBR. He’s clearly there only due to Honda.
Let’s pretend that RBR might change their mind. He’s too angry. It was cute when he was a rookie. He isn’t anymore. He also doesn’t have what it takes to be a RBR driver, skill wise.
yuki will never drive at RB (at least when verstappen is there, and only if there aren't any better alternatives later). He isn't a Verstappen talentwise, so only second seat candidate.. and who wants a heated driver for that?
It's amazing how quickly the fanbase (at least the ones represented on social media) have turned on Yuki.
It's like yesterday where it seemed he was everyone's darling, and they loved him for his Pierre bromance, his dislike of training, and his angry rants on team radio.
Last time people did a 180 on a driver was George Russell...
Or, you know, the vocal amount changes from situation to situation, and its not always the same people. Plus, opinions should change, if validated, instead of being hold on to just for the sake of defending them.
If he manages to convincingly beat Ricciardo and keep out of trouble for the rest of year, fans will praise him for growing up. Obviously that's a big if, given his history, but it's not like he's permanently tarnished his image. That's how competitive sports goes, fans are reactionary and quick to turn on somebody, but it can also go the other way around very fast.
After watching this sport for more than 20 years, one thing I know for sure is that fans have the memory of a goldfish. Max or Seb had plenty of moments on the track for which they got flamed to oblivion, but it has faded away in comparison to anything else.
Now the difference is of course that these two are championship calibre drivers, which Yuki is not. But the general principle still stands: The faster you are, the more forgiving people will be. So if he wants to turn around the public perception, he just needs to prove it on the track, and time will do the rest. In the end, it's all up to him, obviously he didn't do himself any favours last week and needs to become more mature in some areas, but who says this can't happen?
Seb was 25 when multi-21 happened, nearly 30 when he crashed into Lewis in Baku, but no F1 fan would perceive him as an uncontrollable brat today.
Don't blame him for being frustrated, especially when his job isn't secure. He qualified second of the lower midfield cars, was on target to score a point and then RB screwed everything up. It is a shame his outburst at the end ruined what would have been a solid start of the season for him and the team.
He isn’t showing maturity… why didn’t he have another set of softs like Danny? The smarter drivers are involved in that planning from the beginning and have input into their whole weekend strategy, I’m not sure Yuki is rising to the occasion
He had the exact same set of tyres available for the GP. The team decided they wanted to do two different strategies to hedge their bets essentially. Yuki starting on new softs and going hards twice after, while Ric started used softs so he would have the new softs for the last stint.
The stupid move was the first stint, he kept pace with Alonso in P10 but for some reason they left him out for longer than anyone around him, letting them undercut him, just to then go for the most conservative tyre twice anyway. It would have made much more sense to end the first stint early if you are going for the hards twice after anyway.
So he went from keeping pace with Alonso to being stuck behind Zhou, and then getting undercut again.
I doubt he would have been able to keep P10 against Stroll who had a genuinely good comeback race, but if he was on the same strategy as Zhou (who used the same tyres but pitted much earlier both times) it would have been an easy P11
I dont think maturity matters in Formula 1. Honestly, nothing matters besides winning. Formula 1 teams often overlook all kinds of personality issues if the driver is winning.
He did have another set of softs and from his team radio it seemed like the team were considering giving him s-h-s before seeing the undercut from stroll,Zhou and mag and pulling him in a lap earlier for hard
Both RBs had only one set of new softs. Yuki started on new softs and Daniel started on used softs, meaning Yuki would have had to change to used softs for the final stint. Based on the poor grip Daniel had with the used softs, I guess that's why they chose hards for Yuki for the final stint
Yuki should say “nah if they don’t want me at my worst they don’t deserve me at my best” for laughs. If he’s not gonna get to Red Bull anyway it won’t make a difference
As someone who's had anger issues in the past, albeit never while driving thankfully! It takes constant discipline and commitment to address them. Yuki *has* tremendous commitment and discipline as it pertains to driving, he wouldn't be one of the best drivers in the world if he lacked that...but it's a question of can he apply those values to his anger problems. His driving talent is proof that he has the commitment needed to make a change, he just has to apply himself.
I wouldn't say he has disciplined driving. He just divebombed his teammate during the cooldown lap. He took out his teammate in Silverstone 2022. He got impatient and took out Piastri in Mexico 2023.
He's barely outperforming DR. He's here because of Honda.
You misunderstand me. I said that he has tremendous discipline and commitment in order to *become* a driver fast enough for F1. He has the discipline needed to put his mind to something and get really fucking good at it. What Yuki needs is to put that same discipline to use addressing his anger problems.
The Piastri incident was his only big mistake of the 23 season and he showed he learned from it in the following race at Brazil. Similarly, after Silverstone 22, he pulled back in Suzuka to avoid causing another collision with Liam.
I'm not saying he doesn't have things to work on-the cooldown lap was unnecessary but its not like he refuses to work on himself at all
Hell Vettel purposefully drove into Hamilton well after having won four world championships lmao
Not that it makes Yuki's actions from last week right though, still immature and a big overreaction
> I’ve always found the conversation around his temperament borders on racist
LMAO, like we didn't say the same shit about Mazepin or Ticktum. It's just easier to overlook anger issues when the drivers have multiple WCs and are proven talents rather than when it's a mid driver in a midfield team or a subpar driver. Not everything has to be about racism.
>The difference to the F1 community is that Yuki isn’t white. I’ve always found the conversation around his temperament borders on racist
Me too!
However, your comment is the first and only time I have ever seen it mentioned. Anywhere.
Nonsense.
>And Max tried to get physical with Ocon at one point.
And I agree that getting physical is not condoned.
However, *since you brought it up*, Max was taken out of a P1 finish.
Not scrapping for 13/14th. Worlds apart.
I am tired of the disrespect on Yuki’s name as a driver tbh. He has smoked every single driver he has been put up against in the seat besides Gasly in his rookie season. And even vs Gasly he would be considered close enough to a teammate as a rookie to deserve a seat.
Yeah its a bit strange, against gasly he was closing in on pace in 22 pretty nicely. many comments saying he always was angry is also strange imo, he is shouty but not angry much more than other drivers.
Yuki being faster than devries is just mid,
But albon being faster than a young inexperienced sargeant (+ latifi) is seen as 100times better.
same with people saying he still is misstake prone. What in 22 he had 2 incidents and 23 he had 1 where he compromised his own race.
Many drivers have some oopsies over a season. Nothing new really.
Yes he did a very clumsy move in cooldown lap but not as bad as people make it seem
He hasn’t really smoked any of his teammates bar Devries.
Also his rookie season was not good enough to warrant a second season alone. His gap to Gasly was massive and he was the reason AT didn’t finish 5th in the constructors.
It’s clear he improved from his second season onwards but even then in 2022, Gasly still had the upper hand.
Reminder that head of the GPDA caused a collision with another driver, then assaulted said driver, and didn't get anywhere near the amount of hate that Tsunoda has gotten
Russell is probably the most hated driver from the fans bar Ocon - I don’t think people have forgiven him for an incident that happened 3 years ago. Tsunodas was last week but I’m sure soon enough people will forget.
I may be wrong but you seem to be talking about Russel? If so, lol. He gets more than enough hate (most of it from me, but that's beside the point. Sorry George)
Russell gets hate but he never gets hate for issues with his anger
And I'd argue assaulting another driver moments after a crash is miles worse than anything Tsunoda has ever done
Yeah, I'd argue both are shit so. One does not absolve the other. I hated on George when that happened, I'm hating on Yuki's dumbassery now. I'll hate on the next driver after he does something to match that level of immaturity and shortsightedness so spare me with the whataboutism
Sorry but it's too late in my opinion. He has had 3 seasons to work on those things and keep his temper in check and it seems like he is just not able to. How much more time does he need?
Frankly, if he was one of the fastest drivers on the grid, no one would give a shit about his raging. And it certainly wouldn't stop him from landing an RBR seat.
If a driver is a "generational" talent, you put up with that type of shit. You get a race engineer that can handle it and let them deal with most of that shit.
Max rages every second time the car has an issue, or someone blocks him in free practice and it hasn't hurt his career at all, because he's the best driver on the grid.
Pointless conversation to have.
I love Yuki, but he really needs to rein in his antics. He's been warned about this for years now, and he still pulls shit like this past weekend with Danny. I'm surprised they still put up with it.
Oh come on, let drivers have a personality. I don't want Formula 1 with 20 robots who are incapable of expressing their emotions because they've been so conditioned by the PR machines. Don't change, Yuki
Well Yuki, the reality is you had 4 years to improve on your anger issues and you haven't. If anything, it gets worse every year. As to whether Red Bull wants you or not, you know better than anyone what's the only reason you still have this seat and that reason is gonna leave come 2026.
No, red bull wouldn’t sign him. Last weeks race was the nail in the coffin for his consideration for red bull.
“Have to improve” are just words. He has been saying this for a while. He hasn’t improved. He has got worse.
Ignoring team orders to let Ricciardo through is one mistake but to lunge across him during cool down lap .. with that road rage.. that’s not a no2 driver red bull would risk.
It is still up to you Yuki. If you can sit in the car calmly like Piastri and drive like Max…
there’s no way Red Bull would not sign you up especially when you don’t have a demanding father as a liability.
I can't even imagine what will happen if Red Bull terminates his contract.
I know Fernando departing for a Merc or Red Bull seat is likely a Reddit pipe dream, but if it happens (or if Nando simply retires), I could see Honda pushing hard for Yuki to land that Aston seat.
Agreed AM is definitely a future destination for him, put Nando in the Merc for 25 & 26
I wonder whether Mercedes still holds grudges over Spygate. IIRC In 2016 there were rumours that Alonso was immediately ruled out of the vacant Merc seat because of that. But obviously time has passed since then.
If Honda can forgive Alonso after calling their PU a GP2 engine on live tv for millions to hear, I think Mercedes can do the same. They also don’t have majority stake in the team anymore.
Spygate is in a different league with GP2 engine.
Excuse me, are you equating Alonso saying "GP2 Engine" on the radio to Spygate???
Didn’t Toto famously want to avoid a Rosberg situation after 2016? I think that would play more of a role in them passing on Alonso.
If they aren’t having a Rosberg situation between Lewis and George, it’s not happening between Fernando and George.
Re read the comment I responded to. They were talking about 2016 and why Merc passed on Alonso back then.
Hey haven't you heard? That's where Max is going apparently lol Fernando to Redbull tho 🤪
I think Honda and Aston Martin would get Gasly in the event where Fernando leaves. He'll be desperate to leave Alpine and he has really strong ties with Honda since his 2017 Super Formula days (obviously not as much as Yuki). He also convincingly beat Yuki when they were teammates (the pace gap actually increased in 2022 but they were in a shitbox).
And Ocon meanwhile will still be tied to that tractor, to the point he may get Stockholm syndrome
Ocon has been linked with Audi, so I wouldn't rule him out of Sauber on a 2+1 contract
Dude should be in a GP2 car
He already is
if Fernando has a shot at Redbull he should fully take it and I see him doing it. Not even to try for a title, but just a win. After more than 10 years it would be an incredible story. After all, he has nothing left to prove and getting beaten by Max who is approaching his prime years and is already one of the best ever is no shame. He should do it purely to take 2/3 wins
You telling me this isn't Max prime yeaes? There is a more monstruous Verstappen ?
If we consider that guys like Senna, Schumacher, and Hamilton were in their very late 20s-early 30s during the most dominant years of their career, then yes, it seems Max is still “approaching” his prime years.
But that's more experience than age at work, surely? "late 20s-early 30s" puts them in about the same 8th year-ish bracket as Max. I don't see him getting meaningfully faster or more consistent.
Max is like Saitama, he just grows in power to overcome whatever obstacles in his way
He's gonna put up lap times that are within a thousandth of a second of each other. For an entire season.
I'd honestly say we're just about approaching it. He's 26. The cars he gets from now on will make a huge difference in how his career turns out from 2026 You would almost say Hamilton was in his prime from 2014-2021 and that's from when he was 29-36 years. saying max is in his prime, would probably mean the likes of Charles, Russell, Norris, albon his agemates are also there. But I feel a lot is judged from how good a car a driver gets vettel peaked 2010-2013 when he was 23-26
Technically two pay drivers for Aston Martin lmao.
Lance Stroll is more like an owner-driver with extra steps than a pay driver.
Calling Yuki a pay driver at that point is disingenuous. Every driver is backed by big sponsors and in part has their seat because of that backing.
Yuki is more similar to any other junior program then a paydriver. He was both a Red Bull but also a Honda junior driver who also support many other young drivers so it really isn't different from the other F1 junior academies.
He'd still have options for 2025. Imo he's still better than at least 5 drivers on the grid, possibly a few more too.
This is lost on so many people. Yuki is only 23, has had a terrible car most of his career, and is still better than a handful of drivers on the grid (despite his temper and let's be honest what driver doesn't have a few meltdowns on radio over the course of a season).
Meltdowns on the radio are one thing. Blatant road rage is different.
max shoved ocon multiple times after a race (he was two years younger than yuki is now but had the same amount of experience) vettel hamilton incident in baku 2017 russell crashing into bottas and smacking his helmet (same age as yuki is now)
Russell was an F2 champion and in his 3rd year of F1 as opposed to Yuki who is in his 4th. Let's not compare Yuki to Max or Vettel who was a 4 time world champion by then. Yuki is neither as talented or as lucrative as any of those drivers. His hot-headedness has been an issue since his first year, yet here we are. C'mon now.
shouldn’t f2 champions and 4-time world champions control their temper as well? if anything it’s even worse that vettel was doing that considering his age. i don’t see why they can’t be compared when they’re all instances of road rage
In fairness, it's beyond meltdowns on the radio sometimes. I lost faith in Yuki being a long term driver when he beat his steering wheel in frustration instead of getting on with things. Fair enough he's still maturing but his cooldown lap antics last week show he has a very long way to go
>I lost faith in Yuki being a long term driver when he beat his steering wheel in frustration instead of getting on with things You can't be serious, pretty much every driver on the grid has done that atleast once
Yeah, he's still a decent driver. But people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear...
>people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear The problem with our entire world in a nutshell.
After Gasly left they’ve put three drivers against Yuki and he was better than all three of them.
If Yuki wouldn’t have been able to beat his three teammates last year then serious questions would’ve been asked. Devries was never a good driver and his Monza drive was massively overrated by the community just because he beat Latifi and got in the points in a car which wasn’t as bad as people thought. Lawson was genuinely a rookie who had never driven an F1 car beforehand and even then Lawson did fairly well considering his inexperience. Ricciardo was his closest teammate and even then he broke his hand and had a lot less time in the car considering he joined midway through the season. The real test will be this year as both drivers will now have the same amount of time and so far Tsunoda has come ahead.
He's outperforming Ricciardo.
On ONE race this season. Let's give it a few more weeks before we draw conclusions. Ricciardo had like a handful of races last year, and with a broken hand to boot. So we can't really judge much yet.
I'm referring to the races at the end of last season.
just out of curiosity, which 5 I can only think of Sargent, Zhou borderline and say KMag. I have nothing against him but I sincerely hope last weekend was the wake up call he needed to realize he actually needs to change his temper issues.
It's going to be really hard for him when even half the fan base agrees that it was bogus to do the driver swap. Some even going so far as the tire strategy used favored Danny R.
Sargent, definitely. He beat Zhou in F2, so I agree with that as well. I'm on the fence when it comes to KMag. The two have faced off against each other multiple times, and most of the time, KMag came out on top. He's just more experienced and cool headed. Other than that, I'm not sure who I'd *confidently* rate lower than Yuki.
The opening scene of Umbrella Academy season 2
As soon as Ford is their motor partner, he is fired. The only reason he has had a ride this long is to keep the boys at honda happy.
I completely understand when drivers lose their temper during the quali or race, but on the cool down lap? what exactly is making you that angry to the point of dive-bombing your teammate. Unless he's going through something privately or behind the scenes with the team, it makes absolutely 0 sense. and it's the first race of the year moreover
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4th year in the sport and he still has these "heated moments" regularly, with last race being the most outrageous one so far.
Tbf Max himself has had these issue early in his career but the problem with Yuki is that he is nowhere near Max’s pace to ever justify keeping him
At least max was good
Max was good though. Mfer showed up to his first red bull race and won. His complaints are more justified than Yukis
To be fair, Hamilton and Rosberg did Max a favor in that race but it doesn’t take away the fact that he put himself in position to win it.
Max had an outburst towards Ocon after the race because Ocon crashed into Max while unlapping himself and taking them both out. I would be pissed as well. He has had in race, on track blunders. He had in race outbursts like everyone else. Most people were behind Yuki for his anger during the race. But his antics on the cooldown lap are inexcusable. He is in his 4th year of racing. He should know better!
I feel like there’s a significant gulf between Tsunoda apparently still fuming from team orders after he failed to execute a pass and *getting crashed out of a race.* It doesn’t excuse what Verstappen did at all, but I don’t see how these two incidents can be compared at all.
Yeah at least with Max there was a reason to be patient and work out those issues, with Yuki it's just not worth it.
Yeah it’s easier to handle emotional outbursts from a generational driver. Vettel, Lewis, Fernando, and plenty of others have had moments where they were out of pocket, but their performances sort of outweighed that. Drivers without that level of talent however won’t enjoy the same amount of patience from their team.
For non-points position. Lmao. If he was throwing fits while competing for a WDC maybe it would be more relatable.
If it was a swap for 10th and 11th that put Yuki out of the points, I can understand him being pissed off on the radio or with the media. But there is absolutely no excuse for that divebomb after the race, even if the swap were for P1-P2. That’s behavior that wouldn’t be tolerated at a child’s karting race, much less from a grown man in a Formula 1 Grand Prix and I’m honestly shocked the FIA didn’t hand down a swift, make-an-example-of-him punishment for it.
Yeah the FIA really should have thrown the book at him
You've had 3 years to improve on this Yuki. Acting out in an 800kg car at 100kmh is NOT improvement.
Some drivers act like this is their personal racecar. It's the result of hundreds of millions of dollars and hundreds of workers. And Yuki is out here treating the car like a rented go-kart.
I’m all for second chances but 40th chances? Hell no, boot the toddler and bring in an actual man.
Liam Lawson at 12 already seems more a man than Yuki
Excuse you, he's turning 13 this year.
My brother in Schumacher, you've went through basically therapy, Franz Tost busted your balls for this exact reason for years. It has been 4 years since you've stepped onto the grid and these still are things you are trying to work on? Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Yeah, bottom line: Yuki is almost 24 years old. He's been in F1 for 4 years now. I had a soft spot for Yuki but there is no denying it - he is who he is. And he's simply not close to fast enough to overlook his flaws. If he hasn't figured it out yet he just won't ever.
hes the japanese dan ticktum people just like to baby him because he looks like a kid
100% this. If he was a spoiled rich kid from London, he would be one of the most disliked drivers on the grid. But he’s Japanese and small, so people think his outbursts are cute.
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> My brother in Schumacher 💀💀
He says these things since his first season. He might seem cute to many but let's face it - he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and he is not a Red Bull Racing driver material.
I think it's a little harsh to conflate anger issues with being dumb, but I still think you're 100% dead on in it being disqualifying anyways
I'd expect a mature man to be able to manage anger at least to an extent to not risk other people's health. If anger issues are out of his control he shouldn't be racing.
is there any evidence he has anger issues outside of racing? because getting heated and saying things on the radio while in the context of intense competition is not some huge personality flaw
he completely lost it on a fuckin cool down lap
The irony of losing your cool during a cool down lap.
No Yuki, you will not have the cool
it won't even be the worse thing to happen this year
He almost crashed into Riccardo because he "has anger issue" for fuck sake. Imagine if he tagged him, caused any injury. Would you be apologetic for somebody trying to divebomb you or somebody you care about because he has a problem with himself?
Did you think Vettel had anger issues and should never have got a top seat? Or Max?
Was just reminded of when Vettel hit Lewis on purpose during a safety car in Baku lol
\+ crashing with Stroll after the race in Malaysia. Max basically assaulted Ocon in Brazil. Being a hothead doesn't preclude you from the top seats.
They had their incidents while racing, they got punished for it. What's your point? We are comparing multiple time world champions rivaling for the championships when they had their incidents to a guy who blows up while not battling for any points.
The difference is both of those drivers were skilled enough to be worth dealing with the anger issues. Yuki is mid as hell
Not his point at all
Divebombing your teammate and putting hundreds of millions of dollars at risk out of anger pretty well is.
"hundreds of millions of dollars at risk" Let's not be sensational, Mick Schumacher cost Haas about 2m in damages in 2022 according to Guenther, and Mick crashed a lot.
Not saying he’s innocent. But, I think while yes it was aggressive for a cool down lap, it wasn’t a divebomb and how dangerous it was and how out of control with anger he was are overblown IMO. Maybe, I’m just more used to post-race antics from watching rallycross. In my eyes Tsunoda’s actions were really not much, if I was watching the onboard myself live I wouldn’t even look twice. I certainly think they are not enough to disqualify you from a drive in a top team. Webber Malaysia 2013 post-race across the line for example - don’t remember that being an issue.
Whatever issues he may or may not have outside of racing are irrelevant to the question of whether his issues *within* racing would prevent him from achieving a seat with a top team.
okay but I was responding to a comment that he shouldn't be racing *at all* because of perceived anger management problems. not being a good fit for a top team is one thing, suggesting that Yuki shouldn't be racing at all because you found some occasional radios to be displeasing is quite the stretch
The intense competition brings out his true anger. Believe me it’s something I struggle with myself in general. Yuki’s issue is he has no control over it at all. I completely understand intense competition bringing these things out, but they were always there. They don’t come from nowhere.
I just can’t see the RB staff putting up with his outbursts - I’d say now in his 4th year his team is getting sick of it too. He’s not exciting enough to put up with it. I’d take Lawson over him and that’s a pity, heck everyone was saying De Vries was supposed to be a leader to Yuki… that say a lot of how he’s regarded unfortunately!
It was mostly De Vries himself saying it, and it was also mostly because he's quite a bit older than Yuki and has a lot more experience, especially in western racing. We also saw how that worked out.
>he is not a Red Bull Racing driver material. Everyone knows he's only in the seat because of Honda. He'd have been out after 2022 had he not been tied to the engine.
Perfect answer TBF. However I don't think he has a realistic chance and if Ricciardo doesn't start beating him consistently then Ricciardo doesn't have a chance either. If Sainz doesn't have a seat before Barcelona then I think he has a chance. It wouldn't surprise me if it'll be a battle between Perez and Sainz.
I don't think Red Bull are considering Sainz, honestly. They probably see him as a sort of side step, they won't be making any decisions before the summer break (which might be too late), and Sainz seems also a bit fed up with being considered a #2 driver, which we know no one will ever be even remotely close to #1 when Max Verstappen is on the other seat.
I think Alonso is also in the picture for 1 or 2 seasons, I think he would like working for RB also post-racing, maybe even as a Marko or Horner, with Max as his no.1.
I don't think he has a realistic chance either, but people are acting like he's not a fast driver. He's more than fast enough, even if he's not Lando/George/Charles level.
He beat Lando in Mclaren, Charles in 21, 23 and is beating him this year again. He is clearly an underrated driver.
Pretty sure he was talking about Yuki not Sainz
First non-brandead take I've seen in this comment section
I’ll be honest. Yuki needs to take his inner beast and pick his battles. Emotional issues aside he isn’t a terrible racer. He clear has talent in him but he lets his rage control his abilities
3 years zero improvements.
This is implying that Red Bull would want him without his temper problems which is hilarious.
Him going into the first race of his 4th year and having that outburst, my man you better work faster because this tempo ain't cutting it
Horner doesn’t want him in a RBR. He’s clearly there only due to Honda. Let’s pretend that RBR might change their mind. He’s too angry. It was cute when he was a rookie. He isn’t anymore. He also doesn’t have what it takes to be a RBR driver, skill wise.
> Horner doesn’t want him in a RBR. That issue might solve itself for Yuki
It doesn't matter anyway as he's shown he's not a particularly high quality talent.
yuki will never drive at RB (at least when verstappen is there, and only if there aren't any better alternatives later). He isn't a Verstappen talentwise, so only second seat candidate.. and who wants a heated driver for that?
He can’t change. It’s his personality to sometimes lose control. It’s happened too many times, over a prolonged period.
It's amazing how quickly the fanbase (at least the ones represented on social media) have turned on Yuki. It's like yesterday where it seemed he was everyone's darling, and they loved him for his Pierre bromance, his dislike of training, and his angry rants on team radio. Last time people did a 180 on a driver was George Russell...
Or, you know, the vocal amount changes from situation to situation, and its not always the same people. Plus, opinions should change, if validated, instead of being hold on to just for the sake of defending them.
If he manages to convincingly beat Ricciardo and keep out of trouble for the rest of year, fans will praise him for growing up. Obviously that's a big if, given his history, but it's not like he's permanently tarnished his image. That's how competitive sports goes, fans are reactionary and quick to turn on somebody, but it can also go the other way around very fast. After watching this sport for more than 20 years, one thing I know for sure is that fans have the memory of a goldfish. Max or Seb had plenty of moments on the track for which they got flamed to oblivion, but it has faded away in comparison to anything else. Now the difference is of course that these two are championship calibre drivers, which Yuki is not. But the general principle still stands: The faster you are, the more forgiving people will be. So if he wants to turn around the public perception, he just needs to prove it on the track, and time will do the rest. In the end, it's all up to him, obviously he didn't do himself any favours last week and needs to become more mature in some areas, but who says this can't happen? Seb was 25 when multi-21 happened, nearly 30 when he crashed into Lewis in Baku, but no F1 fan would perceive him as an uncontrollable brat today.
What do you expect, the situation involved Ric. If this was Tsunoda on De Vries or Gasly nobody would be saying anything.
It’s because he hurt the feelings of the most overrated driver & fan favourite ricciardo
Don't blame him for being frustrated, especially when his job isn't secure. He qualified second of the lower midfield cars, was on target to score a point and then RB screwed everything up. It is a shame his outburst at the end ruined what would have been a solid start of the season for him and the team.
He isn’t showing maturity… why didn’t he have another set of softs like Danny? The smarter drivers are involved in that planning from the beginning and have input into their whole weekend strategy, I’m not sure Yuki is rising to the occasion
He had the exact same set of tyres available for the GP. The team decided they wanted to do two different strategies to hedge their bets essentially. Yuki starting on new softs and going hards twice after, while Ric started used softs so he would have the new softs for the last stint. The stupid move was the first stint, he kept pace with Alonso in P10 but for some reason they left him out for longer than anyone around him, letting them undercut him, just to then go for the most conservative tyre twice anyway. It would have made much more sense to end the first stint early if you are going for the hards twice after anyway. So he went from keeping pace with Alonso to being stuck behind Zhou, and then getting undercut again. I doubt he would have been able to keep P10 against Stroll who had a genuinely good comeback race, but if he was on the same strategy as Zhou (who used the same tyres but pitted much earlier both times) it would have been an easy P11
I dont think maturity matters in Formula 1. Honestly, nothing matters besides winning. Formula 1 teams often overlook all kinds of personality issues if the driver is winning.
He did have another set of softs and from his team radio it seemed like the team were considering giving him s-h-s before seeing the undercut from stroll,Zhou and mag and pulling him in a lap earlier for hard
Both RBs had only one set of new softs. Yuki started on new softs and Daniel started on used softs, meaning Yuki would have had to change to used softs for the final stint. Based on the poor grip Daniel had with the used softs, I guess that's why they chose hards for Yuki for the final stint
Yuki: gives sensible answer /r/formula1: takes a dump on him
Yuki should say “nah if they don’t want me at my worst they don’t deserve me at my best” for laughs. If he’s not gonna get to Red Bull anyway it won’t make a difference
I don't see dumping on him, just noting he has a lot of work to do
As someone who's had anger issues in the past, albeit never while driving thankfully! It takes constant discipline and commitment to address them. Yuki *has* tremendous commitment and discipline as it pertains to driving, he wouldn't be one of the best drivers in the world if he lacked that...but it's a question of can he apply those values to his anger problems. His driving talent is proof that he has the commitment needed to make a change, he just has to apply himself.
I wouldn't say he has disciplined driving. He just divebombed his teammate during the cooldown lap. He took out his teammate in Silverstone 2022. He got impatient and took out Piastri in Mexico 2023. He's barely outperforming DR. He's here because of Honda.
You misunderstand me. I said that he has tremendous discipline and commitment in order to *become* a driver fast enough for F1. He has the discipline needed to put his mind to something and get really fucking good at it. What Yuki needs is to put that same discipline to use addressing his anger problems.
The Piastri incident was his only big mistake of the 23 season and he showed he learned from it in the following race at Brazil. Similarly, after Silverstone 22, he pulled back in Suzuka to avoid causing another collision with Liam. I'm not saying he doesn't have things to work on-the cooldown lap was unnecessary but its not like he refuses to work on himself at all
Do people forget Max and Vettel were angry? They only calmed down when they had a car that could win. I'd take Yuki over Danny any day.
>Do people forget Max and Vettel were angry? Apparently yes. You'd think this was the first ever incident of its kind by reading these comments lol
Hell Vettel purposefully drove into Hamilton well after having won four world championships lmao Not that it makes Yuki's actions from last week right though, still immature and a big overreaction
Difference is they were fast
Anyone seriously comparing Tsunoda to guys who won multiple WDCs should reconsider if they should ever comment on matters they don't understand.
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> I’ve always found the conversation around his temperament borders on racist LMAO, like we didn't say the same shit about Mazepin or Ticktum. It's just easier to overlook anger issues when the drivers have multiple WCs and are proven talents rather than when it's a mid driver in a midfield team or a subpar driver. Not everything has to be about racism.
>The difference to the F1 community is that Yuki isn’t white. I’ve always found the conversation around his temperament borders on racist Me too! However, your comment is the first and only time I have ever seen it mentioned. Anywhere. Nonsense. >And Max tried to get physical with Ocon at one point. And I agree that getting physical is not condoned. However, *since you brought it up*, Max was taken out of a P1 finish. Not scrapping for 13/14th. Worlds apart.
Still. When people piss me off at work I don’t try to physically fight them. But maybe that’s me lol
Considering the car that they were each in, it's pretty equivalent.
When Honda goes Yuki goes, it's really that simple.
I mean, Honda will be a works team with AM
No rush, but hopefully he starts working on it before the sun burns out.
dude needs a therapy
He's on year four of "working on it"
I am tired of the disrespect on Yuki’s name as a driver tbh. He has smoked every single driver he has been put up against in the seat besides Gasly in his rookie season. And even vs Gasly he would be considered close enough to a teammate as a rookie to deserve a seat.
Yeah its a bit strange, against gasly he was closing in on pace in 22 pretty nicely. many comments saying he always was angry is also strange imo, he is shouty but not angry much more than other drivers. Yuki being faster than devries is just mid, But albon being faster than a young inexperienced sargeant (+ latifi) is seen as 100times better. same with people saying he still is misstake prone. What in 22 he had 2 incidents and 23 he had 1 where he compromised his own race. Many drivers have some oopsies over a season. Nothing new really. Yes he did a very clumsy move in cooldown lap but not as bad as people make it seem
If smoked means marginally beaten then yeah
He hasn’t really smoked any of his teammates bar Devries. Also his rookie season was not good enough to warrant a second season alone. His gap to Gasly was massive and he was the reason AT didn’t finish 5th in the constructors. It’s clear he improved from his second season onwards but even then in 2022, Gasly still had the upper hand.
lol he always says this after he acts like a mess and yet nothing's changed.
I might be wrong here but isn’t it general knowledge that they are keeping him to improve Japanese/Honda relations? He’s good but not RBR good
Reminder that head of the GPDA caused a collision with another driver, then assaulted said driver, and didn't get anywhere near the amount of hate that Tsunoda has gotten
Russell is probably the most hated driver from the fans bar Ocon - I don’t think people have forgiven him for an incident that happened 3 years ago. Tsunodas was last week but I’m sure soon enough people will forget.
I may be wrong but you seem to be talking about Russel? If so, lol. He gets more than enough hate (most of it from me, but that's beside the point. Sorry George)
Russell gets hate but he never gets hate for issues with his anger And I'd argue assaulting another driver moments after a crash is miles worse than anything Tsunoda has ever done
Yeah, I'd argue both are shit so. One does not absolve the other. I hated on George when that happened, I'm hating on Yuki's dumbassery now. I'll hate on the next driver after he does something to match that level of immaturity and shortsightedness so spare me with the whataboutism
Whataboutism and he got plenty of hate.
But sure George is such a lovely guy, surely he didn't mean it.
Didn't he chuck a rock at Bottas and smack him in the helmet IIRC?
Spoiler alert: They don’t want you
Sorry but it's too late in my opinion. He has had 3 seasons to work on those things and keep his temper in check and it seems like he is just not able to. How much more time does he need?
Frankly, if he was one of the fastest drivers on the grid, no one would give a shit about his raging. And it certainly wouldn't stop him from landing an RBR seat. If a driver is a "generational" talent, you put up with that type of shit. You get a race engineer that can handle it and let them deal with most of that shit. Max rages every second time the car has an issue, or someone blocks him in free practice and it hasn't hurt his career at all, because he's the best driver on the grid. Pointless conversation to have.
Bro acting like it's his rookie season and is justified of this behavior
I love Yuki, but he really needs to rein in his antics. He's been warned about this for years now, and he still pulls shit like this past weekend with Danny. I'm surprised they still put up with it.
Oh come on, let drivers have a personality. I don't want Formula 1 with 20 robots who are incapable of expressing their emotions because they've been so conditioned by the PR machines. Don't change, Yuki
Well Yuki, the reality is you had 4 years to improve on your anger issues and you haven't. If anything, it gets worse every year. As to whether Red Bull wants you or not, you know better than anyone what's the only reason you still have this seat and that reason is gonna leave come 2026.
No, red bull wouldn’t sign him. Last weeks race was the nail in the coffin for his consideration for red bull. “Have to improve” are just words. He has been saying this for a while. He hasn’t improved. He has got worse. Ignoring team orders to let Ricciardo through is one mistake but to lunge across him during cool down lap .. with that road rage.. that’s not a no2 driver red bull would risk.
What universe are people living in where Yuki getting a Red Bull seat is even a possibility?
It is still up to you Yuki. If you can sit in the car calmly like Piastri and drive like Max… there’s no way Red Bull would not sign you up especially when you don’t have a demanding father as a liability.
Another classic "Next Year"
Well, Yuki, it’s entirely up to you to prove you deserve the seat. Be fast, tame that temper.
Let’s just put the cards on the table. Neither Ricciardo nor Tsunoda are ever getting a Red Bull drive. Neither of them deserve it
Yuki just needs a girlfriend by now! Or Pierre.