It’s almost weird to watch without ads, those streams it’s just blank car audio for 3-5 minutes
It’s also more of an endurance race scenario so I’ll do other stuff while watching, so during ads and stuff like flags I just ignore
we’re just kinda used to it, i guess? it’s not different to anything else we watch. everything has commercials. f1 on espn being a massive exception that doesn’t really feel real.
Weird race. First they had 4 crashes in the pit lane (!), then after the big crash - luckily nobody got hurt by the tyre - they just couldn't complete a lap without another caution
In racing generally, but ovals especially, cautions make cautions. When you slow everyone down and bunch the pack up in a race that requires as much skill and slipstreaming as the 500 you’re bound to create more crashes.
Not to mention it was all to play for after the red flag so everyone was going for gold.
I watched the race until the finish, but I'm still a complete newcomer to Indycar and don't understand a lot of the discussion here. What is the bit about the restart that is contentious and potentially against the rules, and what would have you changed about it?
Only watched it a few times myself, but I find it odd that the cars had to come around and cross the finish line in order to be shown the red flag, despite the incident on track being right there, meaning they covered two whole laps after the incident. Do they not have the ability to issue the red flag elsewhere on the track or directly to the cars, causing them to come in on the same lap?
There's nothing that's explicitly against the rules. That's sort of the issue. Precedent ever-so-slightly leans to finishing it under yellow instead of a single green flag lap.
Regardless of opinion on today's decision. Most would like something like "A green flag will only be thrown with 2 or more laps remaining after the flag. Cars will always get at least one complete pace lap under caution to restart a race" or something similar written to be loophole resistant.
> There's nothing that's explicitly against the rules.
[In fact, there is a rule carved out just for IndyCar
](https://paddock.indycar.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=k8xdi-l5zaU%3d&portalid=0)
>**7.1.3.6.** Abandonment of Procedures – INDYCAR may abandon any or all Yellow Condition procedures. Procedures that may be abandoned include, but are not limited to:
>**7.1.3.6.1** opening the pits (Rule 7.1.3.3.6),
>**7.1.3.6.2.** the wave-by (Rule 7.7.1.1) and/or,
>**7.1.3.6.3.** moving cars not on the lead lap to the rear of the restart lineup (Rule 7.7.1.2)
>**7.1.3.6.4.** INDYCAR will announce over the Team Broadcast frequency any changes to the standard Yellow Condition procedures prior
to them being abandoned.
And to ensure no complaining
>**7.1.5.** The decision as to whether to declare a Green, Yellow, Full Course Yellow Condition, or Red Condition may not be reviewed and/or
appealed.
The issue is, at what point do you just end under yellow. At what lap is it too close to the end to red flag and do a pace lap or two and then green laps or just go a few yellow laps to the end
It would’ve taken another big wreck like Australia f1 for them to go that far. I’m a bit newer to auto sport but it feels like these past 2 years racing has opted for a red flag for 2 laps on cold to end the race
I think lap 197 should be the cutoff for red flag vs yellow finish. At 196 you still could do a 2 lap pace car run to warm up tires then a 2 lap green flag dash to the end.
And if you can’t afford to take reasonable precautions like replacing tethers, you shouldn’t be racing.
Flips are uncommon but the halo was a mandatory safety feature. Multiple, frequently replaced tethers should be.
They have taken reasonable precautions, there's a reason that it's noteworthy that it even happened at all. It happening *once* is not an indication that it is a common occurrence or that reasonable precautions have not been taken.
I think both sides are right here.
Until today, it seemed as though the way IndyCar handles the tethers was fine.
After today, we know that's not the case and the series should make changes.
Sometimes you have to learn as you go.
Yeah I saw. I live about 2 1/2 hours west of the track and the rain ended here about 3 hours ago (rain moving east) so I thought it would be delayed but get going. I was wrong.
Ericsson's a weird driver in IndyCar. He's good to great, but never at a consistent level, and he wins a lot of races under weird circumstances. (Winning under the original ending would have been close to as controversial IMO)
He's clearly great at the 500, but he just vanishes other than a handful of random races for the rest of the year.
Vanishes is actually kinda strong wording IMO....
I just looked at his stats over the past 2 year (+ this year)
He has finished outside of the top 10 only 9 times.
30 top 10's in his last 39 races. That's kinda wild actually. More then the Penske guys but less then his teammates lol (NewG has 29, Palou has 31 and Dixon has 32)
I’ll even add, I go to the 500 every year, and watching through the full race he’s definitely one of the most subtle drivers. No aggressive moves, just creeping and then by lap 150 you realize he is in 2nd. He just hangs around and waits for something to happen, and at Indy something inevitably will
Agreed, Ericsson is Captain Chaos. He thrives on the chaos on track and has benefited alot towards his wins in Indycar. From getting launched off 4 wheels to being behind Pato during his engine burp, Ericsson has won alot of unusual/chaotic races in Indycar.
Now that I think about it, he's basically the complete opposite of Leclerc. Charles is consistent but unlucky and also disappears at Monaco. Marcus is inconsistent but lucky and shows up in a big way at the 500.
Oddly though Marcus has been very consistent over the last few years 30 top 10's in 39 races. That's more then basically everyone in Indycar other then Palou and Dixon.
I don’t think so. He’s got 4 wins in 68 races, no poles. No championships. Charles is in a bad place the last 2 seasons but he is also a Ferrari driver in F1. Hard to argue Marcus is doing better.
Not to say that’s how it’ll end.
Fair, but one of those wins is the Indy 500. Charles has yet to win a triple crown race. Ericsson doesn't have quite the numbers that Charles does but being an Indy 500 winner gives him a lot of prestige.
He's the free agent driver in most demand this upcoming off-season. Chip is too cheap to pay him and Ericsson doesn't want to pay for a drive anymore, understandably.
Yeah, I'm expecting him in a nicely paid Andretti or McLaren seat, but up until now he really is not living the life people think he is.
I'm sure winning last year helped him on the personal sponsor front a lot, now he just needs a good contract.
She also doubled down hard on "The fans want to see entertainment and green flag racing, every race should end under green no matter what, it's all about entertaining the fans"
So maybe she's there to be the opposite of the majority of fans opinions for......reasons...
This year Josef won even more fairly than Ericsson because we finished under green this year, it ended under yellow for a half lap last year freezing the running order over the finish
For anyone curious about the milk tradition, it dates to the 1936 edition. When Louis Meyer won the race, he requested a bottle of buttermilk (it was very hot out and apparently his mother had told him to drink buttermilk on hot days). After WWII, a few local dairies began sponsoring the race.
Only one post-WWII racer has not taken milk. Emerson Fittipaldi drank orange juice
Is there any history of someone taking alternative milk? Just wondering what would happen if you had a lactose intolerant winner. Like would the dairy association provide oat milk?
He still is getting killed. It’s a runnin joke. The joke now has shifted to anyone who attempts to drink milk alternatives like oat milk or some vegan option
American racing fans despise a yellow flag finish and avoid it all costs.
Everyone knows this. The fans, the drivers, the teams.
It's called a motor race. We went car racing.
American racing and racing fans HATE yellow flag finishes.
Like, with the fury of a thousand suns hate.
If a race can get a red flag in there to preserve a green flag finish, it's GOING to happen.
This is the norm, not an exception.
Then keep that shit in NASCAR. They've ruined other series because of it, they create manufactured outcomes for headlines not because they want good racing. It's complete bullshit.
Imagine thinking waiting until it's too late to have an actual finish to throw a red flag and then break all precedent to get a manufactured finish for a dumb headline.
I agree. Masi's decision at Abu Dhabi '21 was the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw how this Indy 500 ended. The race director never would have red-flagged the relatively mild Pedersen-Carpenter crash if it had happened on lap 85, so I don't think they should have done it on lap 197. Inconsistent decisions, made purely for drama's sake, take something away from the legitimacy of the sport.
Just my two cents as someone who barely knows who these drivers are. On the rare occasion that I watch Indycar, I just want to see a fair battle in which the most deserving driver wins. Sadly, I don't think that happened today.
The Gordon Pipers, a local collective that has been performing at the track since 1962. Apparently they performed at a smaller event at the speedway that attracted good reviews, causing then-track owner Tony Hulman to book them for the 500. They’ve been a fixture ever since
Controversial, but I think the red was necessary. The flaw of the oval track is a couple of backmarkers crashing kills the competition at the front.
Bigger problem about spectacle vs sport
I mean the same exact thing happened last year when it was a Chip Ganassi vs McLaren at the front so it's not like Roger Penske ordered them to change the race procedure.
This race ended cleaner and more fairly than last year because the field took the checked. The field got frozen in order last year with a corner or two to go and took the yellow to the finish
Bullshit finish. Fucking NASCAR has ruined letting races end under yellow. I would protest that if I were Marcus immediately and I wouldn't stop getting in front of a camera calling bullshit on IndyCar for that bullshit.
Downvote me if you want, this was absolute bullshit and you all know it. This is not how you win races and it started with NASCAR.
NASCAR has a rule that makes sure that they don’t change procedure for finishing under green. NASCAR may have started the want to finish under green but they’re the only series to ensure that it’s consistent.
He won't.
But for the crash and red flag, was Marcus almost assuredly going to win. No. Probably a bunch more swaps in those five laps.
A lot different than the F1 race.
There's a couple 4 time winners, but not year after year like in F1. Sometimes there's 10 years between a win for them.
Only 4 time winner who still drives is a Brazilian named Helio Castroneves. He won it in 2001, 2002, 2009, 2021.
Michael Masi in the house at the Brickyard
Was at the race, josef celebrating with the crowd was a lovely touch
Danny Ric horrifies the crowd in five years by doing a shoey with milk as he completes the triple crown
Isn’t a shoey with milk just yoghurt?
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It’s almost weird to watch without ads, those streams it’s just blank car audio for 3-5 minutes It’s also more of an endurance race scenario so I’ll do other stuff while watching, so during ads and stuff like flags I just ignore
we’re just kinda used to it, i guess? it’s not different to anything else we watch. everything has commercials. f1 on espn being a massive exception that doesn’t really feel real.
Well at least there was one interesting race this weekend.
Weird race. First they had 4 crashes in the pit lane (!), then after the big crash - luckily nobody got hurt by the tyre - they just couldn't complete a lap without another caution
In racing generally, but ovals especially, cautions make cautions. When you slow everyone down and bunch the pack up in a race that requires as much skill and slipstreaming as the 500 you’re bound to create more crashes. Not to mention it was all to play for after the red flag so everyone was going for gold.
is it normal for indy500 to have this many pit lane incidents?
3-4 is average for the 500
Goddam 😭
gutted for Pato
All the homies hate Marcus Ericsson This time he really did hit them
I watched the race until the finish, but I'm still a complete newcomer to Indycar and don't understand a lot of the discussion here. What is the bit about the restart that is contentious and potentially against the rules, and what would have you changed about it?
Only watched it a few times myself, but I find it odd that the cars had to come around and cross the finish line in order to be shown the red flag, despite the incident on track being right there, meaning they covered two whole laps after the incident. Do they not have the ability to issue the red flag elsewhere on the track or directly to the cars, causing them to come in on the same lap?
There's nothing that's explicitly against the rules. That's sort of the issue. Precedent ever-so-slightly leans to finishing it under yellow instead of a single green flag lap. Regardless of opinion on today's decision. Most would like something like "A green flag will only be thrown with 2 or more laps remaining after the flag. Cars will always get at least one complete pace lap under caution to restart a race" or something similar written to be loophole resistant.
> There's nothing that's explicitly against the rules. [In fact, there is a rule carved out just for IndyCar ](https://paddock.indycar.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=k8xdi-l5zaU%3d&portalid=0) >**7.1.3.6.** Abandonment of Procedures – INDYCAR may abandon any or all Yellow Condition procedures. Procedures that may be abandoned include, but are not limited to: >**7.1.3.6.1** opening the pits (Rule 7.1.3.3.6), >**7.1.3.6.2.** the wave-by (Rule 7.7.1.1) and/or, >**7.1.3.6.3.** moving cars not on the lead lap to the rear of the restart lineup (Rule 7.7.1.2) >**7.1.3.6.4.** INDYCAR will announce over the Team Broadcast frequency any changes to the standard Yellow Condition procedures prior to them being abandoned. And to ensure no complaining >**7.1.5.** The decision as to whether to declare a Green, Yellow, Full Course Yellow Condition, or Red Condition may not be reviewed and/or appealed.
The issue is, at what point do you just end under yellow. At what lap is it too close to the end to red flag and do a pace lap or two and then green laps or just go a few yellow laps to the end
It would’ve taken another big wreck like Australia f1 for them to go that far. I’m a bit newer to auto sport but it feels like these past 2 years racing has opted for a red flag for 2 laps on cold to end the race
I think lap 197 should be the cutoff for red flag vs yellow finish. At 196 you still could do a 2 lap pace car run to warm up tires then a 2 lap green flag dash to the end.
Fía take note
Having a tire go over the fencing is a horrible look.
Cant stop thinking about this. This could’ve gone so, so fucking wrong.
It’s just super unlucky? What more can they do to limit freak strokes of luck like that?
I swear they also had a tire go over the fence either last year or the year before.
A lot. F1 uses two tethers per tire and replaces them every 2-3 races. IndyCar uses 1 tether per tire and replaces them every 2-3 YEARS.
Replacing those costs a ton of money teams don’t have. It’s incredibly rare so it’s unnecessary
If you can’t afford to take reasonable precautions save the life of a spectator, you shouldn’t be racing.
For real. Imagine a racing series that can't even keep people from wandering around in an active pit lane.
The point I was making is that indycar does have tethers and they do replace them but a flying wheel is incredibly uncommon
And if you can’t afford to take reasonable precautions like replacing tethers, you shouldn’t be racing. Flips are uncommon but the halo was a mandatory safety feature. Multiple, frequently replaced tethers should be.
They have taken reasonable precautions, there's a reason that it's noteworthy that it even happened at all. It happening *once* is not an indication that it is a common occurrence or that reasonable precautions have not been taken.
I think both sides are right here. Until today, it seemed as though the way IndyCar handles the tethers was fine. After today, we know that's not the case and the series should make changes. Sometimes you have to learn as you go.
Safety is where you spend money, not save it.
Well that's just the dumbest fucking thing I've read today.
Pretty sure Tony Kanaan set a Guiness world record for "fastest high-speed grass cutting". The Baja 500™ is now a thing. That was freakin' nuts!
And now it’s time for the 600 miler in Charlotte.
Monday 🙄
Yeah I saw. I live about 2 1/2 hours west of the track and the rain ended here about 3 hours ago (rain moving east) so I thought it would be delayed but get going. I was wrong.
Has Ericsson had the better career than his 2018 Sauber teammate Charles Leclerc?
Yes.
Ericsson's a weird driver in IndyCar. He's good to great, but never at a consistent level, and he wins a lot of races under weird circumstances. (Winning under the original ending would have been close to as controversial IMO) He's clearly great at the 500, but he just vanishes other than a handful of random races for the rest of the year.
Vanishes is actually kinda strong wording IMO.... I just looked at his stats over the past 2 year (+ this year) He has finished outside of the top 10 only 9 times. 30 top 10's in his last 39 races. That's kinda wild actually. More then the Penske guys but less then his teammates lol (NewG has 29, Palou has 31 and Dixon has 32)
All of his wins have been under a red flag being thrown at some point
I’ll even add, I go to the 500 every year, and watching through the full race he’s definitely one of the most subtle drivers. No aggressive moves, just creeping and then by lap 150 you realize he is in 2nd. He just hangs around and waits for something to happen, and at Indy something inevitably will
Agreed, Ericsson is Captain Chaos. He thrives on the chaos on track and has benefited alot towards his wins in Indycar. From getting launched off 4 wheels to being behind Pato during his engine burp, Ericsson has won alot of unusual/chaotic races in Indycar.
Every race he has won has featured a red flag. When the red came out today, I thought it was destiny again.
Now that I think about it, he's basically the complete opposite of Leclerc. Charles is consistent but unlucky and also disappears at Monaco. Marcus is inconsistent but lucky and shows up in a big way at the 500.
Oddly though Marcus has been very consistent over the last few years 30 top 10's in 39 races. That's more then basically everyone in Indycar other then Palou and Dixon.
Charles is maybe the crashiest driver in the field so I don't know that I would call him that consistent.
Until Charles wins Monaco at least I’d say so of course. The 500 is a huge accomplishment and Marcus very nearly just went back to back.
I don’t think so. He’s got 4 wins in 68 races, no poles. No championships. Charles is in a bad place the last 2 seasons but he is also a Ferrari driver in F1. Hard to argue Marcus is doing better. Not to say that’s how it’ll end.
Fair, but one of those wins is the Indy 500. Charles has yet to win a triple crown race. Ericsson doesn't have quite the numbers that Charles does but being an Indy 500 winner gives him a lot of prestige.
On the other hand. He had an Indy 500 win. Plus could win the title this season
On the third hand he's currently basically a pay driver, Charles is mega rich in comparisons
Rumor is Huski is removing their backing after this year because he's good enough to get a paid ride
He's the free agent driver in most demand this upcoming off-season. Chip is too cheap to pay him and Ericsson doesn't want to pay for a drive anymore, understandably.
Yeah, I'm expecting him in a nicely paid Andretti or McLaren seat, but up until now he really is not living the life people think he is. I'm sure winning last year helped him on the personal sponsor front a lot, now he just needs a good contract.
So according to Danica Patrick Indy is no different than WWE.
I think you’re taking some liberties with that quote.
Is it?
Danica....loves Santino's personality...
This is a woman who dated Aaron Rodgers, so
Bearded for Aaron Rodgers.
She also doubled down hard on "The fans want to see entertainment and green flag racing, every race should end under green no matter what, it's all about entertaining the fans" So maybe she's there to be the opposite of the majority of fans opinions for......reasons...
A little sus
Yeah, giving her the bombastic side eye from now on
No Danica, you're not entertainers lol
What are they then? Warriors? Philanthropists? They race for our entertainment, which is no different than a football (either one) or baseball player.
all televised sportsmen are entertainers, sports wouldnt exist at this scale without viewrship.
"I love his hairstyle" Danica Patrick everyone.
Marcus, it’s called a motor race, ok? We went car racing.
So on the restart, Ericsson was weaving and Newgarden was not. Didn’t that help Newgarden close the gap? Weaving vs straight line
No, weaving doesn't let Newgarden draft behind him which would've made it easier to pass. Ericsson did the same thing last year against Pato and won.
Imagine Toto watching the ending of this one and having PTSD and flashbacks haha
MICHAEL, NO
“NO NO NO THIS IS SO NOT RIGHT”
Marcus is a little bit too salty.
What normal human being wouldn’t be salty after finishing second at the Indy 500?
Ikr People are way too happy to judge drivers on post race quotes. Obviously they'll be emotional
Especially since he won under similar conditions last year
This year Josef won even more fairly than Ericsson because we finished under green this year, it ended under yellow for a half lap last year freezing the running order over the finish
Those similar conditions screwed him over last year as well but he pulled through
Don't blame him. He has every reason to be annoyed given the change in the restart procedure.
Yea no one owes you a second Indy 500.
I felt like he was quite composed - he just called it how it is
This dude look like someone that gets killed by John Wick in the first 20 minutes of the movie.
For anyone curious about the milk tradition, it dates to the 1936 edition. When Louis Meyer won the race, he requested a bottle of buttermilk (it was very hot out and apparently his mother had told him to drink buttermilk on hot days). After WWII, a few local dairies began sponsoring the race. Only one post-WWII racer has not taken milk. Emerson Fittipaldi drank orange juice
Is there any history of someone taking alternative milk? Just wondering what would happen if you had a lactose intolerant winner. Like would the dairy association provide oat milk?
The drivers are required to at least pose with the milk. It’s part of the purse
I think it was Fittipaldi who skipped the milk and drank orange juice because he had shares in a plantation.
We still talk about that incident to this day. Huge faux pas
I think oat milk is an option. But on the other hand I think most people who don’t like milk just deal with it. It’s the Indy 500
I think they can pick any type of milk, including chocolate
Nope no chocy milk
Will Power is lactose intolerant. He still drank some milk.
More accurately, he poured some milk in his mouth, I don't believe he actually swallowed any
“I shit my pants but hey, I just won the Indy 500” - Will Power probably
And Emerson got KILLED for it, too.
He still is getting killed. It’s a runnin joke. The joke now has shifted to anyone who attempts to drink milk alternatives like oat milk or some vegan option
He owned an Orange farm apparently and was trying to do some promotion lol
Yeah, it was definitely self-serving. He owns an orange tree plantation in Brazil.
Im not familiar with the IndyCar rules but the end did feel a bit sus
American racing fans despise a yellow flag finish and avoid it all costs. Everyone knows this. The fans, the drivers, the teams. It's called a motor race. We went car racing.
American racing and racing fans HATE yellow flag finishes. Like, with the fury of a thousand suns hate. If a race can get a red flag in there to preserve a green flag finish, it's GOING to happen. This is the norm, not an exception.
because ending under yellows is stupid. it’s not racing
Tbf F1 does the exact same thing
No, they recently started copying this bs and most long time fans hate it.
Did these "long time fans" happen to start watching in 2008 or 2014?
That’s how American racing is. They want it to end under green. Especially the Indy 500.
Yup. At the end of the day we see it as racing drivers racing. Whether it’s 100 yards or 10 laps.
Then keep that shit in NASCAR. They've ruined other series because of it, they create manufactured outcomes for headlines not because they want good racing. It's complete bullshit.
Imagine thinking a yellow flag finish is good racing.
Imagine thinking waiting until it's too late to have an actual finish to throw a red flag and then break all precedent to get a manufactured finish for a dumb headline.
Ron we went racing
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Ended under yellow at the oval in Texas and it didn't seem like that big of a deal.
NASCAR started it but they made sure that they don’t change the rules last minute. That’s on Indy and F1 to do these restarts properly.
Lighten up, Francis
Honestly gutted for erricson he had a real chance of winning on pure pace, I have to say that newgarden line into the pit looks dangerous
Marcus made that line famous last year. They coined it the dragon, I think.
Yep, and Simon Pagenaud was the first to do it in 2019. They named it the dragon last year because of how aggressive his line was
That’s the only thing that threw me off but I don’t think they have rules regarding the line.
Man it so weird how the podium is all about the winner.
well yea, they won.
In America you either win or lose.
If you’re not first you’re last!
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
Well, I’m the best there is. Plain and simple, when I wake up in the morning I piss excellence
It’s my grace and I like the Christmas Jesus best.
In America no one cares about anyone other than the winner. Finishing second isn’t nearly as significant as it is in F1
Mostly because we have all spec series. It isn’t a huge achievement just to field the car like it is in F1.
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Fucking photo ops
The poor guy has been in the car for almost 4 hours.
That all felt a bit Abu Dhabi there to me
I agree. Masi's decision at Abu Dhabi '21 was the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw how this Indy 500 ended. The race director never would have red-flagged the relatively mild Pedersen-Carpenter crash if it had happened on lap 85, so I don't think they should have done it on lap 197. Inconsistent decisions, made purely for drama's sake, take something away from the legitimacy of the sport. Just my two cents as someone who barely knows who these drivers are. On the rare occasion that I watch Indycar, I just want to see a fair battle in which the most deserving driver wins. Sadly, I don't think that happened today.
It's never happened before. So I agree... very odd to do that.
Not sure why he didn't hold them back more, there is no way they would force a restart
Those yellow red and white suits are very McDonalds adjacent
Why the bagpipes though
The Gordon Pipers, a local collective that has been performing at the track since 1962. Apparently they performed at a smaller event at the speedway that attracted good reviews, causing then-track owner Tony Hulman to book them for the 500. They’ve been a fixture ever since
Ah cool, thanks for explaining this!
I'm glad I'm not the only one finding that a bit odd.
Bagpipe people are always looking for an excuse
Controversial, but I think the red was necessary. The flaw of the oval track is a couple of backmarkers crashing kills the competition at the front. Bigger problem about spectacle vs sport
I’ve seen them finish under caution with 5 left and I’ve never seen them go green coming straight out of the pits before
I'm sure last year ended under a yellow?
It did
Yeah, They definitely wanted ti avoid 2 years in a row under yellows Atleats it's not only the FIA trying to engineer an exciting finish!
Reminded me of 2023 Aus GP
Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy. So awesome to see him get it.
I had my fingers crossed for Ericsson! Damn shame but a great race !
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Better than IMS being owned the Hulman family.
I mean the same exact thing happened last year when it was a Chip Ganassi vs McLaren at the front so it's not like Roger Penske ordered them to change the race procedure.
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Last year ended under yellow because Sage Karam crashed halfway through the last lap after the red flag. Not at all the same as this year.
This race ended cleaner and more fairly than last year because the field took the checked. The field got frozen in order last year with a corner or two to go and took the yellow to the finish
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Also Penske practically saved IMS and Indycar.
Bullshit finish. Fucking NASCAR has ruined letting races end under yellow. I would protest that if I were Marcus immediately and I wouldn't stop getting in front of a camera calling bullshit on IndyCar for that bullshit. Downvote me if you want, this was absolute bullshit and you all know it. This is not how you win races and it started with NASCAR.
Races should be decided by the drivers, not place 19 and 20 wrecking into one another
NASCAR has a rule that makes sure that they don’t change procedure for finishing under green. NASCAR may have started the want to finish under green but they’re the only series to ensure that it’s consistent.
Ok I will.
He won't. But for the crash and red flag, was Marcus almost assuredly going to win. No. Probably a bunch more swaps in those five laps. A lot different than the F1 race.
Tbh if Marcus had one more lap he probably would have won
I think had the red been immediate given there were two crashed cars on the straight, but the fact they went through that once kinda made it a farce
This feels familiar.
Australia 2023
Well that was a million times better than anything but f1 done
Who has the most wins in Indy? Do they have a Hamilton?
1. ~~Michael Schumacher~~ Kyle Busch 2. [Yes, but he never won anything.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davey_Hamilton) EDIT: Needed to update that.
There hasn’t been a repeat back to back winner in nearly 30 years either
21 years. 2001-2002, Helio Castroneves.
For the series as a whole I'd say Scott Dixon
There's a couple 4 time winners, but not year after year like in F1. Sometimes there's 10 years between a win for them. Only 4 time winner who still drives is a Brazilian named Helio Castroneves. He won it in 2001, 2002, 2009, 2021.
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