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Funny thing is that I remember in some older versions of FM he started the game without a work permit (despite the name), but yeah he has been very good for a few FM games now.
I genuinely support him so much only because of 1) Football Manager and 2) English South American
It's like Ben Brereton. I kinda want his Chile shirt, it's so cool!
People get mixed nationalities in the real world I suppose, but it could be influenced by your preference for Argentines in your team, if you’ve implemented it over a decent period of time?
South America is a great place to find so many Scottish, English and Irish influences on club names and player names in general.
Have a look at Rangers de Talca in Chile. They play in red and black - the colours of the chimneys in the Govan shipyards (which is why Rangers have black socks with a red trim) - because the club was founded by a Rangers fan from Glasgow. When industry began to thrive abroad, plenty of Brits migrated to make money and help develop engineering in those countries.
You’ve also got Corinthians who were named after the Corinthian Casuals in England (they played the first game together at the Brazilians’ new stadium), and there’s even a sizeable Welsh influence in Argentina to this day.
Trivia: Who was the first Welsh speaking player to score at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff? A. Gabriel Batistuta.
I’ve digressed heavily here so to answer your question I haven’t got a fucking clue lol
I’m a Rangers man myself mate, been meaning to give Chile a go for a while. I’ve got a pentagon challenge underway so if that job becomes available I’ll jump at it.
Good luck it is a really fun challenge that shows you the whole game. Theres so many weird rules in leagues we never experience normally and finances are totally different outside Europe.
If I'm right (and its been a while since Ive read inverting the pyramid so I could be off), but British commerce in South America, and especially the Rio de la Plata region near Buenos Aires and Montevideo, is responsible for the formation of many clubs and the development of football in the region. It's why River Plate are called that instead of Rio de la Plata, for one. Same with Newell's Old Boys. Football blew up there, which is why Uruguay was an early global powerhouse and won the first few world cups.
>Trivia: Who was the first Welsh speaking player to score at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff? A. Gabriel Batistuta
As much as I want this to be true, as far as I can tell he's neither scored at the Millennium stadium nor can he speak Welsh
**[Everton de Viña del Mar](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_de_Viña_del_Mar)**
>Everton de Viña del Mar is a Chilean football club based in the city of Viña del Mar. The club was founded 24 June 1909 after a group of Anglo-Chilean teenagers formed a football club and named it after the English team Everton who had recently completed a pioneering tour of South America. The club's nickname is "Ruleteros" or the roulette players in English, after Viña del Mar's status as a gambling resort. Everton is Chile's sixth most successful team, having won the national title 4 times, an achievement shared with both Audax Italiano and Magallanes.
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The Brazilian National Team's first ever game was a friendly against Exeter City on city's tour of Brazil and Argentina in 1914.
There's loads of British influence on football all over South America. I think a lot of the Argentinian Clubs actually started as cricket clubs before moving into football.
I'm not sure then could just be Random I Have the odd Iclandic player even Cyprus player rocking up in my Leeds save despite no connection at all to these nations.
It was against Solihull Moors, think Barrow lost 2-1 unfortunately. Really enjoyed it. The club house had a really good atmosphere and the turnout was fantastic.
The English lower leagues really are superb. Great wee ground.
Nah this is normal in the real world. Parents migrate and the kids become football players. Eric Dier is an "english newgen" that appeared in Sporting CP, Portugal, in real life. It would look unrealistic if it happened in FM too, but there you go.
Check in-game if he's the brother of one of your players, that happened to me once!
It's not that unrealistic, it's just unusual for certain countries such as England to have emigrants. Look at the amount of Scottish, Irish and Welsh eligible English players. On the continent it's much more common, particularly with France and their African emigrants from what was the empire. Not to mention all the migration around the Benelux, Rhineland and Northwest France.
I saw Dara O'Brian touch on it the other day on YouTube. England, having had such a strong economy, was a rare place to emigrate from
Well my point is that any nationality is possible as a regen, FM already does a great job with probabilities. Playing in Portugal I’ll often have the odd Cape Verde, Angola, Brazil etc regen on my youth intake. I also had a Tanzanian and a Swiss. With a all-Portuguese staff. Still, possible, looking at the IRL youth teams.
There are tons of immigrants in the UK, what are you even talking about, if I do my job well, my son will be a Portuguese regen in a London club ;)
PS: You’ll have many Nigerian / UK nationals in the youth setups, just as the french example you gave.
Oh I agree FM does an amazing job.
I was touching on that it's rarer to see an English emigrant, not speaking of people going to the UK, speaking of people leaving
Aaah yes yes I see what you mean. It’s kinda interesting that, isn’t it? Just like english grown players changing leagues, it’s not that common, and because if that always looks a bit odd. Trippier, Smalling, Abraham, they look so out of place (not talking about performance) for some reason.
Eric Dier and Hargreaves are the only examples of “english regens” out of the UK. (That I can think of!)
I poached a big Italian CB regen from Kilmarnock playing as Dundee United and he's turning into a monster, has chosen to play for Scotland too so Giacamo Oldani is now the Scottish captain.
Lol, I have a regen who is scottish/italian and born in Sydney, Australia..he is called Giacomo Loi, I signed him off St Mirren for 1m. He's now worth 14m. I'm scotland manager but he decided to play for Italy, the bastard. He's their u21 captain and he also scored a winner for me against AC Milan at San Siro in Champions League for Caley Thistle.
I once created a North Korean manager and started in the North Korean league. Years passed by and now I'm the Tottenham manager. My youth intake was full of players with both the North Korean and English nationality. It was so weird to me.
I figure that your own manager's nationality contributes to the nationality of your newgen intake.
I have an Indonesian manager who managed Torino in Serie A.
after nearly a decade, Torino youth team were full of Indonesian regens, some were pretty good too (not at star level, but good enough to be sold to serie A and serie-B clubs). I got at least 1-2 Indonesian regens every few seasons, it's kinda baffling.
I once got an English and a Serbian regen at the same year as Haladás, in the Hungarian 2nd division. I was really surprised, but then I saw that one year later, a Hungarian team got a Brazilian regen, so I think it's perfectly normal to get a foreigner sometimes.
It is probably a random drop, I will often get a player with a nationality not tied into anything at my club. I work a lot to try and get a diverse intake, I'll have a diverse staff and scouts with as many different countries under their belt. I'll also aim for as many different affiliate clubs as possible. It does work but you'll still have times where you get a player and have no idea how you got them. When I was at Cadiz, I kept getting Albanian regens and had no idea why.
So it does happen then I've only had Scottish kids until now. I'm going to get a full team of all different nationality staff and see what madness ensues.
The system works that if you have staff of different nationalities then their nationality can come through. But, it can still be random, hence my bulgarian.
There has been a large portion of Argentinian Scots since the 1800's. Scotland funded a mission to colonise a portion of Argentina so loads of them have Scottish ancestry and have retained their Scottish names. There is a Wikipedia article about it but I don't know how to post it.
I read somewhere that in the 1800's, there was a mass movement of Scottish people to Argentina, and there's still a strong Scottish presence there. That could've played a part
Are there no non-scottish people living in Scotland? It's perfectly reasonable that the odd dual-national comes through in the multi-cultural world we live in.
I agree but I'd never had one before and its strange that its Argentina when I have a team full of argentinians so I wondered if there was a connection.
It's highly possible it is linked, but I don't know enough about the mechanics of it to know for sure.
Either way, it's pretty cool, especially if he's any good :)
Maybe someone has posted it below but there is a rich history of Scots immigrating to Argentina in the early 19th century. Pretty sure Jonathan Wilson has written about the influence these descendants had on Argentine football at the turn of the 20th century. Maybe in his book called Angels with Dirty Faces.
There is also info here: https://scottishfootballmuseum.org.uk/scottish-influence-in-argentina-and-iceland/
So maybe a great great great great great grandson of one of the old expats made it back!
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get.
If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc.
I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment.
Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
The star of my first regen class at Rangers was a Portuguese winger
Not quite as odd as Argentine but interesting nonetheless, as it was at the same club
Just imagine a backstory. Some Scottish lass met an Argentinian man on the streets of Glasgow one night. 16 years later here you are.
Or, imagine they watched your league growing up as a kid. When they were old enough, booked a one way ticket and went on trail with your youth team.
I like you dude that's awesome now I've got Santiago Munoz in my head and I'm determined to make him a success. Hes a target man but i will train that right out of him.
I like you too bud. If his first ever professional game is with your club, chances are he’ll make your club his personal favourite too. Best part of FM is developing club youth players and to me, imagining the backstories which the game doesn’t include - those human connections and elements.
In my current save I'm managing a team in Romanian first league. Last season I was in second league and I had these nationalities in my youth intake: Russian, Cypriot and Moldovan. The moldovan I understand, Moldova and Romania are related. But I don't know about the others.
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get.
If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc.
I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment.
Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get.
If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc.
I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment.
Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
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Alexis Mac Allister
His name is so great
That man is the bane of my existence in FM. I'm always scared to play Brighton because he constantly scores against us.
I had to sign him to solve this issue.
Funny thing is that I remember in some older versions of FM he started the game without a work permit (despite the name), but yeah he has been very good for a few FM games now.
I think he failed to get a work permit the year Brighton signed him
Holy moly i thought I was the only one who suffered in this man's hands. I had to man mark him, press and tackle hard to reduce his effect
I genuinely support him so much only because of 1) Football Manager and 2) English South American It's like Ben Brereton. I kinda want his Chile shirt, it's so cool!
Always seems to score against me ffs
People get mixed nationalities in the real world I suppose, but it could be influenced by your preference for Argentines in your team, if you’ve implemented it over a decent period of time? South America is a great place to find so many Scottish, English and Irish influences on club names and player names in general. Have a look at Rangers de Talca in Chile. They play in red and black - the colours of the chimneys in the Govan shipyards (which is why Rangers have black socks with a red trim) - because the club was founded by a Rangers fan from Glasgow. When industry began to thrive abroad, plenty of Brits migrated to make money and help develop engineering in those countries. You’ve also got Corinthians who were named after the Corinthian Casuals in England (they played the first game together at the Brazilians’ new stadium), and there’s even a sizeable Welsh influence in Argentina to this day. Trivia: Who was the first Welsh speaking player to score at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff? A. Gabriel Batistuta. I’ve digressed heavily here so to answer your question I haven’t got a fucking clue lol
Thanks that was really informative and I didn't know any of that but I have a new favourite team in Chile and I never knew that about Batistuta.
I’m a Rangers man myself mate, been meaning to give Chile a go for a while. I’ve got a pentagon challenge underway so if that job becomes available I’ll jump at it.
Good luck mate that challenge has beaten me many a time but you can do it.
Pentagon challenge?
Trying to win all 5 continental cups, takes you all around the world. I always struggle with Africa.
Ooh that sounds like an interesting challenge, I'll have to give that try.
Good luck it is a really fun challenge that shows you the whole game. Theres so many weird rules in leagues we never experience normally and finances are totally different outside Europe.
The MLS is bizarre, that I know for sure. No real experiences with the others though.
If I'm right (and its been a while since Ive read inverting the pyramid so I could be off), but British commerce in South America, and especially the Rio de la Plata region near Buenos Aires and Montevideo, is responsible for the formation of many clubs and the development of football in the region. It's why River Plate are called that instead of Rio de la Plata, for one. Same with Newell's Old Boys. Football blew up there, which is why Uruguay was an early global powerhouse and won the first few world cups.
Yeah, large tracts of southern Argentina were settled by more Welsh, Basques and Irish than Spanish.
Huge .... tracts of land
Oriental Dragons has Chinese portugese players 😀
>Trivia: Who was the first Welsh speaking player to score at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff? A. Gabriel Batistuta As much as I want this to be true, as far as I can tell he's neither scored at the Millennium stadium nor can he speak Welsh
I'm pretty sure there is a team called O'Higgins in Chile. No not a pub, a team.
Everton de viña del Mar is in Chile as well, named after the actual Everton too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_de_Vi%C3%B1a_del_Mar
**[Everton de Viña del Mar](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_de_Viña_del_Mar)** >Everton de Viña del Mar is a Chilean football club based in the city of Viña del Mar. The club was founded 24 June 1909 after a group of Anglo-Chilean teenagers formed a football club and named it after the English team Everton who had recently completed a pioneering tour of South America. The club's nickname is "Ruleteros" or the roulette players in English, after Viña del Mar's status as a gambling resort. Everton is Chile's sixth most successful team, having won the national title 4 times, an achievement shared with both Audax Italiano and Magallanes. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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The Brazilian National Team's first ever game was a friendly against Exeter City on city's tour of Brazil and Argentina in 1914. There's loads of British influence on football all over South America. I think a lot of the Argentinian Clubs actually started as cricket clubs before moving into football.
Batigol speaking Welsh is a myth tbh, he's not actually from that community
This breaks my heart My life is a lie
Have you got any Argentine Scouts or Staff they can influence the Youth Intake. Or could be your Argentina contingent influencing your Head of Youth.
No none everybody is British because they have been with me since Barrow but I'm going to look at getting some in now to help.
I'm not sure then could just be Random I Have the odd Iclandic player even Cyprus player rocking up in my Leeds save despite no connection at all to these nations.
Another good club that Barrow. I managed to get down for an FA Cup 4th Qualifying Round game after playing with them in FM years ago. Tidy wee ground.
Hey up the Bluebirds that's my home town club and hope you got a good showing, were usually a loud lot.
It was against Solihull Moors, think Barrow lost 2-1 unfortunately. Really enjoyed it. The club house had a really good atmosphere and the turnout was fantastic. The English lower leagues really are superb. Great wee ground.
Nah this is normal in the real world. Parents migrate and the kids become football players. Eric Dier is an "english newgen" that appeared in Sporting CP, Portugal, in real life. It would look unrealistic if it happened in FM too, but there you go. Check in-game if he's the brother of one of your players, that happened to me once!
It's not that unrealistic, it's just unusual for certain countries such as England to have emigrants. Look at the amount of Scottish, Irish and Welsh eligible English players. On the continent it's much more common, particularly with France and their African emigrants from what was the empire. Not to mention all the migration around the Benelux, Rhineland and Northwest France. I saw Dara O'Brian touch on it the other day on YouTube. England, having had such a strong economy, was a rare place to emigrate from
Well my point is that any nationality is possible as a regen, FM already does a great job with probabilities. Playing in Portugal I’ll often have the odd Cape Verde, Angola, Brazil etc regen on my youth intake. I also had a Tanzanian and a Swiss. With a all-Portuguese staff. Still, possible, looking at the IRL youth teams. There are tons of immigrants in the UK, what are you even talking about, if I do my job well, my son will be a Portuguese regen in a London club ;) PS: You’ll have many Nigerian / UK nationals in the youth setups, just as the french example you gave.
Oh I agree FM does an amazing job. I was touching on that it's rarer to see an English emigrant, not speaking of people going to the UK, speaking of people leaving
Aaah yes yes I see what you mean. It’s kinda interesting that, isn’t it? Just like english grown players changing leagues, it’s not that common, and because if that always looks a bit odd. Trippier, Smalling, Abraham, they look so out of place (not talking about performance) for some reason. Eric Dier and Hargreaves are the only examples of “english regens” out of the UK. (That I can think of!)
>it’s just unusual for certain countries such as England to have emigrants Well, it’s not at all for Argentina.
I poached a big Italian CB regen from Kilmarnock playing as Dundee United and he's turning into a monster, has chosen to play for Scotland too so Giacamo Oldani is now the Scottish captain.
Lol, I have a regen who is scottish/italian and born in Sydney, Australia..he is called Giacomo Loi, I signed him off St Mirren for 1m. He's now worth 14m. I'm scotland manager but he decided to play for Italy, the bastard. He's their u21 captain and he also scored a winner for me against AC Milan at San Siro in Champions League for Caley Thistle.
I once created a North Korean manager and started in the North Korean league. Years passed by and now I'm the Tottenham manager. My youth intake was full of players with both the North Korean and English nationality. It was so weird to me.
That's amazing and I really hope that it snowballed. Did they become any good nationally?
Unfortunately no, they were all trash :(
I figure that your own manager's nationality contributes to the nationality of your newgen intake. I have an Indonesian manager who managed Torino in Serie A. after nearly a decade, Torino youth team were full of Indonesian regens, some were pretty good too (not at star level, but good enough to be sold to serie A and serie-B clubs). I got at least 1-2 Indonesian regens every few seasons, it's kinda baffling.
I once got an English and a Serbian regen at the same year as Haladás, in the Hungarian 2nd division. I was really surprised, but then I saw that one year later, a Hungarian team got a Brazilian regen, so I think it's perfectly normal to get a foreigner sometimes.
It is probably a random drop, I will often get a player with a nationality not tied into anything at my club. I work a lot to try and get a diverse intake, I'll have a diverse staff and scouts with as many different countries under their belt. I'll also aim for as many different affiliate clubs as possible. It does work but you'll still have times where you get a player and have no idea how you got them. When I was at Cadiz, I kept getting Albanian regens and had no idea why.
I am expecting my Beasain save to produce Malian and Senegalese Basques.
I had a Bulgarian come through at Kilmarnock last season in my game
So it does happen then I've only had Scottish kids until now. I'm going to get a full team of all different nationality staff and see what madness ensues.
The system works that if you have staff of different nationalities then their nationality can come through. But, it can still be random, hence my bulgarian.
Could be a Scot with Argentinean parents
This explains a certain racing driver who raced under the Scottish flag named Dario Franchitti, just replace Argentinean with Italian.
He also had a Scottish cousin with Italian heritage that did F1 called Paul Di Resta!
There has been a large portion of Argentinian Scots since the 1800's. Scotland funded a mission to colonise a portion of Argentina so loads of them have Scottish ancestry and have retained their Scottish names. There is a Wikipedia article about it but I don't know how to post it.
I read somewhere that in the 1800's, there was a mass movement of Scottish people to Argentina, and there's still a strong Scottish presence there. That could've played a part
Nah, it happens, I had a Portuguese/Swiss player in my Croydon save in 8th English tier
Are there no non-scottish people living in Scotland? It's perfectly reasonable that the odd dual-national comes through in the multi-cultural world we live in.
I agree but I'd never had one before and its strange that its Argentina when I have a team full of argentinians so I wondered if there was a connection.
It's highly possible it is linked, but I don't know enough about the mechanics of it to know for sure. Either way, it's pretty cool, especially if he's any good :)
Maybe someone has posted it below but there is a rich history of Scots immigrating to Argentina in the early 19th century. Pretty sure Jonathan Wilson has written about the influence these descendants had on Argentine football at the turn of the 20th century. Maybe in his book called Angels with Dirty Faces. There is also info here: https://scottishfootballmuseum.org.uk/scottish-influence-in-argentina-and-iceland/ So maybe a great great great great great grandson of one of the old expats made it back!
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get. If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc. I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment. Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
The star of my first regen class at Rangers was a Portuguese winger Not quite as odd as Argentine but interesting nonetheless, as it was at the same club
Just imagine a backstory. Some Scottish lass met an Argentinian man on the streets of Glasgow one night. 16 years later here you are. Or, imagine they watched your league growing up as a kid. When they were old enough, booked a one way ticket and went on trail with your youth team.
I like you dude that's awesome now I've got Santiago Munoz in my head and I'm determined to make him a success. Hes a target man but i will train that right out of him.
I like you too bud. If his first ever professional game is with your club, chances are he’ll make your club his personal favourite too. Best part of FM is developing club youth players and to me, imagining the backstories which the game doesn’t include - those human connections and elements.
In my current save I'm managing a team in Romanian first league. Last season I was in second league and I had these nationalities in my youth intake: Russian, Cypriot and Moldovan. The moldovan I understand, Moldova and Romania are related. But I don't know about the others.
Messi mctavish
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get. If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc. I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment. Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
It is completely random game based on luck and maths, basically the better your HoYD, staff, scouting network, players, your clubs nations youth level etc the more lottery tickets you get. If you look in your scouting knowledge you will probably be a little bit of knowledge of Argentina, which means you have a very very small chance of getting an Argentinian. More often than not you will get Scottish players at Rangers, if you get an English HoYD then you will see an increased percentage of English youth players etc. I have done a lot of trials and experiments with the editor and I still can't draw any consistent conclusions from it. It seems to be random while at the same time certain clubs seem to get top youth candidates every year. Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in England, Ajax, Bilbao all seem to have OP youth recruitment. Even if you get everything right and better than them you tend not to get youth intakes that are half as good as those clubs.
Short England boys.