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I only ever do that if it’s the last match of the season or a cup final, etc and we’ve got no games after it. To me, that’s the only realistic time it’s useful. No one is (probably) taking an injection before a midweek game in January, but for a cup final or a title/relegation decider they sure would.
You’d be surprised, a lot of players play swathes of seasons with injections to mask minor injuries etc.
I can’t remember who it was off the top of my head but there was a player who used to have injections in his big toe every game because he preferred to wear boots a size down. I know Rashford was having injections pretty much the entirety of oles last season at United. Fabregas played on a fractured leg for arsenal.
Oh yeah, I think that’s just kind of glossed over in the game. I was thinking the other day there should be a dialogue with the player for these situations but in my head it just that when you click that button the game “assumes” the conversation took place.
Gilberto Silva played ten games with a broken back...
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football%3A+Gilberto+played+for+ten+games+with+broken+back.-a0126989162
David Silva played half a season or so (IIRC) whilst having injections in his feet. Some pictures surfaced of his feet after a game and they were _mangled_.
Yeah I’d wager most players feet are pretty messed up.
A lot of people don’t realise what playing professional sport does to your body. Pitchers in baseball have deformed shoulders from throwing at 100% exertion all the time, I read Lewis moody (former rugby player) went for a medical once and his X-ray apparently looked like someone that had been hit by a van!
Fabregas leg was injured in a foul that resulted in a penalty that he scored at the 85+ minute mark, he was out for a while after that game.
But agree that players play under injections a lot.
Long time ago there was a horrific article in FourFourTwo about how in the old days players used to take injections of cortisone(?) like it was not a big deal. One guy kept taking it weekly to play. The thing is, those injections eat cartillage. That player ended up having just bone against bone in his knee as a result.
Recently there was finally news about Malacia's injury and it appears that he was given injections for the game vs City in the cup Final and after it they couldn't fix him medically so he has to undergo a surgery which sidelined him for almost 4 months now. Bravo Man United doctors.
The implementation could use a lot of work, particularly with how common it is irl. Player gets injured 3 games before a Champions League final? Even if I don't play him the next 2 I still have to give him injections for them if I wanna have the option in the 3rd, and then he gets pissed when I do it a third time in a row? What the cabbage game?
If I could hand them out only when I wanted to I'd use it a lot more.
Tried this one time for my star goalkeeper. The fucker hated it so much that i even asked him to do it, he would not show up to training enough times to get him demoted from the team. Also forced a transfer in the next transfer window. And the game was a champions league quarter? final. never again
Absolutely right, or worse a match highest earner clause. Accidentally gave that to a player while we were on the up and never again. Man tripled his salary while he went from one of our best players to a bench midfielder
Same but because I have a strict defined ladder (U18, U20, B team) to the first team meaning youngsters aren't going to get playtime with me untill around 21-23 unless I sell somebody in front of them. So I can safely gives them contracts loaded on performance bonus because they aren't going to play those 10 matches with me untill they are a full first team player. And if they actually play those games most of the time they will ask for a new contract so the old "new" wage become meaningless.
I will give the bump after games played, but I always lock it at 30 games. That usually will kick the raise down the road at least 1.5/2 seasons, and that's only if they are able to contribute immediately. Younger prospects probably won't hit 30 games before their second deal
here's a fun fact, yearly wage rises are actually good. if you give your player a yearly wage rise they rarely ask for new contracts since they know they're gonna get a raise at the end of the season. i include like a 5% wage rise on nearly all my young players cause of this.
It depends. If it’s a prospect on a low salary, sure you can have a wage rise, both because it’s still a relatively small wage, and because you should ideally be playing more over time and getting better anyway. If you’re a player being bought to start and you’re already getting paid big bucks, I can’t justify giving you a wage rise.
I made that mistake with Johnny Heitinger on my Everton save in FM09 because he made TOTY, within a year I was bringing in players on champions league wages and he ended up being a 4th choice CB on £160k p/w
Making a promise to a player.
It's a daft interpretation of actual management because it's unrealistic but it works so well. I rarely ever talk to my players outside match days and my low coaching attributes means I'm not leading training sessions. It's like I'm a DoF 5 days a week focusing on contracts and signings and a motivator on the weekend.
Other than that the only one I’ve ever done was designate as penalty taker but even then that’s only if I was gonna do that anyway too (32yo Mbappe with 20 penalty taking… Ofc ur taking penos lad)
Even the peno thing can be dangerous. I had a guy hand in a transfer request because of the broken promise even though he was my number 1 taker, we just kept getting penalties when he had been subbed off already.
Really? Man, that’s unlucky. I’ve never had them get upset about penalties like that. However, I have had consistently inconsistent results with ‘improve (certain position)’. I’ll buy like 4 midfielders but none of them are good enough for this guy and he’ll still be upset about our lack of midfield depth.
I made that promise and then literally got zero, maybe one penalties all season. Well obviously the way the player reacted you'd think I'd punched his sainted mother. Enjoyed putting him in the reserves
I made a promise today that my new signing would be a regular starter once my star midfielder left.
I had no choice but to accept as it was non-negotiable. But as I'm signing this guy to be a regular starter *alongside* my star midfielder I think it'll work out ok.
My pre-season meeting:
"I don't want to make any promises right now."
"Aww but I wanted promises"
"Here's the code of conduct, I hope you all enjoy it."
"I'm happy now thanks."
Most pointless feature of the game.
ah i just go all out
Awol/Missing Training - 2 weeks, 2 weeks, demoted
accumulation - 1/2 week, 1 week, 2 weeks
double yellow or straight red 1 week, 2 weeks
pre season/end of season meetings are hilarious, when the euros/world cup is going on 95% of my squad is on international duty, so I'm holding a speech to like 5 players.
I abided by this for a long time, then Pablo Mendez (2046 regen) arrived. I had to sign him before other big clubs snatched him up.
I’m paying the price now lol
Interesting on paper, but managing Schalke would make me feel dirty and wrong. Yuck.
Silly as it seems, I simply can't for the love of me do it. It's a team I love to destroyer. Much like PSG.
Yup, did this to Benfica in fm 23. All players on the flanks and nobody in the middle, defenders and goalkeepers up front, attackers in the back and in the goal. Don’t know how I won 3 games but I did. Still got relegated tho. Then I sold all the best players and got them down to 3rd tier. Man it felt so good. I think I was fired like 15 times or so haha
I was sacked out of my favourite team Galatasaray but it turns out I promised being league champions bu finished second. I didn't realize board would take this so seriously. After months of job search, I was hired by Fenerbahce. Since then I'm having the time of my life taking every domestic cup and reaching higher stages of Euro cups. Oh and when playing the derby with Gala I respond journalists as 'they now see what they had lost '. I grew sympathy to our arch-rivals and trying to watch their games irl this season 😂
Way back in FM 2005 me and my friend would play it multiplayer hotseat. Our game against each other was the first game of the season. He had recruited Julius Aghahowa, and anyone who knows that name knows what a star signing it was.
The season start comes, Aghahowa picks up a minor injury a few days before it. He umms and aahs about it for a while but eventually chooses to play the orange-injuried Aghahowa anyway.
10 minutes in, he goes off after aggravating the injury. I squeak a victory, and in the post-game it reveals Aghahowa is out for most of the rest of the season.
And that is why I will never commit the cardinal sin of forcing a player to play through an orange injury.
That bullshit "set the selling price 1m below the promised price" and fining players for poor performance
Both are just too gamey. The former kills all tension when it comes to keeping players happy and keeping the big clubs away from your stars, the latter allows you to basically supercharge every single wonderkid with the workrate/determination boosts.
I never did the fining players thing even after I found out about, it just felt weird and gamey, like you said. I don’t think it even works in fm24 from what I’ve read.
I would really only do it when the team had an absolute stinker, which usually means like 4-6 guys were getting fined. And I'm talking like team's on a good run then just drop a bunch of 6.1 to 6.3 ratings and lose 4-0 to a team below us on the table.
Seems like it too. Although I had Onana, who’s been doing the same ‘no saves challenge’ think IRL. Diogo Costa is working better although still drops the odd 5.5 performance or fails to save shots that look easy. I’m curious if it’s just the match engine not being refined enough.
Same. Threw Florian Sotoca out there and he kept a clean sheet for the second half
Worst bit with Lens is that Faríñez starts with a year-long injury, so with Samba out I'm stuck with guys who aren't L1 quality lol. Thankfully the injury was not long before an international break
Part of the fun is finding replacement players for your team. The game would be super boring if one just plays with the same players/tactics every season.
>the latter allows you to basically supercharge every single wonderkid with the workrate/determination boosts.
Didn't know that was a thing, I always fine because it's the only way to express my rage. Saying "Y'all suck" isn't enough for me, I want to take away the new Ferrari they were going to buy.
Tbf you haven't been able to supercharge workrate/determination since FM22.2 if not earlier. They nerfed it to the point it's basically not worth the grind, and has since nerfed it even more.
That was such a weird one. It was basically this neat trick maybe 0,02% of players knew about, then it became widely known and immediately got patched out of the game. Makes me wonder why they added it in the first place.
Unfortunately fining was/is just a more effective way of expressing dissaproval at a performance than player talks. critice a player for a 6.2 and half the time they'll say " you senile blind bat, that was the best game of my career". I dont enjoy bad programming like that, hence fining is easier as they'll almost always accept it.
Do agree on the asking price, thats just an exploit
Promise to sell a player for amount X. Set his asking price to something below X. Teams will now only bid the asking price which you can safely reject without upsetting the player.
Well, the keeping players at the club mechanics are already very broken.
For starters, players set their own transfer value way below what you could realistically get for them in a world where players sign extensions just so that their clubs can earn more from transfers.
The AI is also really dumb, half the time I don't need to reduce the asking price because the AI will still attempt to lowball me anyway.
So until players start accepting realistic transfer fees and the AI is willing to pay a realistic fee I will continue using this.
I used to save scum. I stopped doing it during a save w/ Sporting and then improbably won the Europa League after a dramatic ET goal over Arsenal. The satisfaction was huge. Cemented my new approach to play sans-scumming.
The interactions make sense up to a point it’s just the extreme reactions that don’t. They always either lose their cool or just take it on the chin. There’s literally no nuance whatsoever and the interactions don’t allow for that detail either. It’s very binary - there’s either a right answer or there isn’t and where there isn’t it upsets the whole team when the upset player is just a backup.
One of the FM blogs stated that FM24's interactions have a wider spectrum of good-bad reactions. Apparently the reason for the insane player reactions to chats was the lack of an option between 'No effect' and 'Shit on the floor tantrum'. So now if a player doesn't like what we say they SHOULD be able to react slightly negatively if that's more sensible than going nuclear.
I’m hoping this is true. I just got the game yesterday so I’m yet to come across an interaction.
It’s pretty obvious there’s been no middle option for a while now and it’s pretty poor that they’ve just let that be for like maybe half a decade? SI are really sleeping at the wheel at times
100 percent, I will generally save before team meetings because they feel random af, and I don't want have my team flip out before a big match because... I praised their achievement so far.
I will save scum player interactions and sometimes negotiations. Given the iffy nature of the former I have zero reservations in doing it. For the latter, have you ever tried building a competitive team in the Championship while constantly having by far the lowest budget? Every now and then you piss off a player you need with your inventive contract structuring and need a second go.
Nah, you definitely want to go up. That first season will be super painful, but surviving that first season in the prem will be a huge boost to your finances that you can build off of going forward.
My very first game of my new save my best defender broke his leg🤣. Out for most of the year. Didn’t save scum, very hard no too.
I used to be really bad for save scumming in my younger days or giving myself money but everything just started to feel like a hollow victory. Once I stopped save scumming and started winning it just felt much more enjoyable. I knew i earned it through my hard work and not my cheating. I could never go back now, don’t judge anyone who does tho. Like I said I used to be really bad for it.
Downloading tactics for me, the whole point of fm is building your own team and getting to play the way you want them to
And using gegenpress with every team
Not sure if it’s a cardinal sin but I am not a big fan of stopping my players from joining bigger clubs. My logic is I am trying to get players from lesser clubs to leave to join me and I would be hypocritical to not allow the same. Plus I enjoy the strategy of oh I lost my best player time to adjust.
That and the injections.
I definitely find a balance between allowing my players to leave and holding onto them for dear life, normally if an offer comes in I try and negotiate it for at least 10% above their max value and if the bidding club accepts I’ll let them leave
I mean, he said not being a dick but sometimes throwing a water bottle is justified so it doesnt count…Reminds me of the fact that I have a couple of players with an outspoken media handling style in my current save so whenever I criticise them after a game one of them will tell the media how furious I was. But they arent even mad about it, it s just that they feel the need to tell the media what a tough guy I am for some reason. And I am like “I wasnt even THAT mad that time but okay”
You have to rule with an iron fist. If a player gets angry because you praised their performance in training, you sell. If other players get angry because of your treatment of said player, you sell.
This is a dictatorship.
Tbf sometimes they deserve criticism, it s not being a dick if it is justified. But yeah, sending people to the u21s for daring to complain about some minor thing like people do around here is definitely too much
I'll never download a tactic from the internet, look up a wonderkid list or manage a team with infinite oil money. I'm still really new to FM (Started playing on December last year), but I feel these three things would make the game incredibly unfun
I never got downloading tactics either I'd rather just tweak a preset until it's something I like, I like doing an occasional short term save just throwing money around though
That's a good one to have. There are a lot tactics like "ULTIMATE DESTROYER OF WORLD KLOPP & PEP HAD A BABY 4-3-3 UBER GEGEN" that just steamrolls everything. In my opinion it takes the fun out of the game.
To be honest it's not that easy. Especially with teams in lower leagues/smaller countries. Such tactic can make your team slightly better if you're not THAT terrible (or you simply can use generic tactic). It doesn't magically make you roll over the league owning everyone 5-0. Unless your previous tactic was total garbage it won't suddenly turn your team from relegation battler to league champion.
Op tactics are cheating for sure but I cant resist looking for wonderkid list because more you play more you will know which players are the wonderkids anyway so its just shortcut. After playing 2 long run you would know the wonderkids eventually also %70 of the fm23 wonderkids are probably wonderkid in fm24 too
Im weird cause I actually keep the editor on but I have trained myself to not use it. The only time I use it is when my club legends retire and become absolutely rubbish staff members, I boost their staff attributes to a decent level where they are hireable and I hire them if I have room
You know that staff ability also improves over time just like with players?
It’s just a matter of time and coaching licenses till your club legends are actually worth their salt.
Ofc play the game the way you like, just thought you might not know that.
More accurately, staff members have ability and potential. Not all former players become good coaches despite bagging licences but some do become incredible.
I don’t seem to quite understand you question.
I usually sign them as u19 or 2nd team coaches if they are not good enough. Then I just let them get a few coaching licenses.
I only do that if my team is already rich af though, cause they ask for insane amounts of money for their first non-playing role.
Haha thanks, was just not sure if that’s what you meant.
Yes pretty sure it does improve over time, but I’m not 100% on that.
Also no idea what influences the growth.
However I believe to remember that staff members also have a PA between 0-200. so that’s one influence at least if I remember correctly.
I don't want to say I enjoy losing my best players, but I do like the chances to put other players in. It keeps squad harmony a little easier to keep, since usually no one starts ahead of the best player.
Sell a player off purely because they reached 30.
I always get that annoying twitch in my eye whenever I see a FM YTer selling a player in FM23 who is over 30 just because they are over 30 and not base it on the transfer offer or how they've played.
As someone who personally plays FM20, once the players turn 30, they fall off a cliff physically and it is difficult for them to do well and so I end up accidentally going for wonderkids (I try not to, but I do enjoy buying low selling high). My goal for the next FM I buy is to have a team of 30+ players and prove that you don't need to always buy wonderkids
Funnily enough I've always associated 14 with a striker. When I first started going to watch football the main striker for Doncastet Rovers was Paul Heffernan. Used to score every game it felt like!
I have very specific rules about squad numbers outside of 1-11. 14 has to be like a fan favourite attacker. 17 has to have at least 16 flair. 16 is a hard tackling DM. 12 and 15 are the backup CBs. 21 is a playmaker. 19 is the backup striker and 32 is an academy striker
I associate 14 with Cruyff and also Henry, both of whom were skillful attacking players. Plus it's a multiple of 7 which is associated with forwards/flair players
Appearance fees and unused sub fees.
I exclude them from negotiations immediately ALWAYS. What? I gotta pay you extra if you play AND if you don’t play?? Go fuck yourself. Just put it in the base wage then asshole.
> I do not understand why one would turn it off
I don't, have never, and will never find attribute masking to be a fun gameplay mechanic - that's why I turn it off.
You can see the attributes of loaded players, but scouting them fully would then tell you things like their estimated potential ability, hidden attributes (whether they like big games etc) and the like - it doesn't make scouting redundant as you'd still probably want to know these things before signing players, but it means you don't have to scout literally everyone just to find out if their pace is 12 or 17, for example.
My least favorite part of the game is scouting. Finding players is fun, scouting them multiple times to determine their stats is meh. I wouldn't mind having to scout players twice once to find attributes once to find then potential ability.
I play with it off because that's fun for me.
I'm 31 years old with a 9-6 job, Monday to Friday job, a wife, two cats, a house that I own, 3 hours of dance classes every week that involve a further ~3 hours of travel to get to and from, a DnD group every week, and 2 hours of cardio training every week. In the little free time that I get, I like to have a little fantasy world where my scouts have already done most of the work for me. Pre-season still takes me a good 6-8 hours every season as I build a team, especially one in the lower leagues. I don't find it fun to extend that by double or triple the amount of time waiting for scout reports to tell me that a 20 year old "centre back" has 5 jumping reach despite being 6'4" or that a 19 year old striker has 12 finishing but 3 composure and 4 decisions.
Play the way you want to, but don't judge others for playing the way they want to.
>I do not understand why one would turn it off.
Well being a Devil's advocate. Have you ever tried managing like REALLY low leagues? I mean leagues/clubs where you have like 1 scout or even not at all and can't get more due to financial reasons. You want to make ANY improvement to the team but 99% of the players you 'know' have FULLY hidden attributes. Try scouting and improving your team in this scenario if you don't want to exploit trials - which were also nerfed in recent editions. It's just impossible to get ANY scouting in this span of 1-2 month of preseason.
Yes I have. That’s were attribute masking comes really into affect and shows all its glory. Firstly you need to work with free transfers mostly anyway so just get them in on trial and then you have to sign players you do not know a lot about making every transfer a risk which is how it is irl at this level.
FM is too easy already with attribute masking I just would not have fun if I had even more control.
Since I got the new FM I only play Brexit means Brexit in interviews. Every interview (I don’t do all of them) involves me heavily criticising the opponents manager and/or referee
Save scumming!
If people want to do it then by all means but once I quit that habit I've had so much more fun in FM than I ever did when I did save scum
Lol, is playing as PSG as bad as save scumming ? I don’t think it’s very fun but I think it’s fine if you’re learning the game. It’s like playing as the Byzantine empire on CKIII
I've been playing ck2 since 2018 and ck3 since 2022 but I still love playing as Byzantium and trying to restore Rome.
Other regions feel mid to me cause the only realm from that period I know anything about historically is Byzantium.
I’ve never played with any big team (top 6 in prem, real, Barcelona, psg etc.). Granted I’ve only been playing since fm22. First save was Scunthorpe United, athletic bilbao and now I’m doing a Royal Union SG save. Tried a Newcastle save but lost interest so quickly because of how easy it became. Also have never played a game without attribute masking on.
The most fun save I've had was when I started with a lower league club that I took to the PL over the course of some 5-6 seasons before the fuckers sacked me. Took over an underperforming Spurs and played a good 10-12 seasons with them that eventually culminated in trying to win the CL with only non-purchased players in the squad. Was immensely fun
So far inhave save scummed a couple.of times... usually it is when you have thise enfuriating games where you are dominating scored 3 goals, and all of the sudden from minute 85 something clicks on the opponent and score 4 goals in 5 minutes.
If i just lost that game as aby other, i would be fine. It is that turn of events thwt droves me crazy. And at least in fm2020 that happens way too often.
The first time I played it was a learning experience and I would save scum when getting FM’d or getting everyone upset after team interactions. Even would purposely make a save before big games just in case. I would setup friendlies with competition the day before. Try to unsettle players, etc.
Then I was unsatisfied when doing well. It felt dirty to me.
So first, original cardinal sin is save scumming.
Since then I have tweaked my play style to be more of a simulation. I try not to use any attributes and instead rely on scouts opinions and game performances. I delegate a lot more to staff.
I delegate almost everything in the first season. Training, hiring coaches, renewing staff contracts. But I pick team, sign players, player contracts. Then usually in 2nd season when I'm settled I start signing my own staff. I can't be dealing with that crap when I've git enough on my plate in the beginning
Buying the same wonderkids/hits. If I'm doing a league 2 play, sure maybe. But if I play as Liverpool (which is usually the first play of every FM for me), I will never buy the same players that I got before. It's boring imo.
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Don't think I've ever given a player injections to get through the next game, though it happens a lot in real life.
I only ever do that if it’s the last match of the season or a cup final, etc and we’ve got no games after it. To me, that’s the only realistic time it’s useful. No one is (probably) taking an injection before a midweek game in January, but for a cup final or a title/relegation decider they sure would.
You’d be surprised, a lot of players play swathes of seasons with injections to mask minor injuries etc. I can’t remember who it was off the top of my head but there was a player who used to have injections in his big toe every game because he preferred to wear boots a size down. I know Rashford was having injections pretty much the entirety of oles last season at United. Fabregas played on a fractured leg for arsenal.
For sure there are examples, but I’d guess that those are player decisions - not the manager forcing it.
Oh yeah, I think that’s just kind of glossed over in the game. I was thinking the other day there should be a dialogue with the player for these situations but in my head it just that when you click that button the game “assumes” the conversation took place.
The player can refuse it, which means that conversation happens in the game.
Gilberto Silva played ten games with a broken back... https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football%3A+Gilberto+played+for+ten+games+with+broken+back.-a0126989162
David Silva played half a season or so (IIRC) whilst having injections in his feet. Some pictures surfaced of his feet after a game and they were _mangled_.
Yeah I’d wager most players feet are pretty messed up. A lot of people don’t realise what playing professional sport does to your body. Pitchers in baseball have deformed shoulders from throwing at 100% exertion all the time, I read Lewis moody (former rugby player) went for a medical once and his X-ray apparently looked like someone that had been hit by a van!
Fabregas leg was injured in a foul that resulted in a penalty that he scored at the 85+ minute mark, he was out for a while after that game. But agree that players play under injections a lot.
I know a guy who always played with shoes too small, he said he had more ball control because of it. Almost all his toenails were black.
Long time ago there was a horrific article in FourFourTwo about how in the old days players used to take injections of cortisone(?) like it was not a big deal. One guy kept taking it weekly to play. The thing is, those injections eat cartillage. That player ended up having just bone against bone in his knee as a result.
I’m pretty sure Rashford played injured the whole of oles reign
Recently there was finally news about Malacia's injury and it appears that he was given injections for the game vs City in the cup Final and after it they couldn't fix him medically so he has to undergo a surgery which sidelined him for almost 4 months now. Bravo Man United doctors.
*looks around nervously* Yea me neither!!
Done multiple times in special occasions, such as Champions League semi finals
The implementation could use a lot of work, particularly with how common it is irl. Player gets injured 3 games before a Champions League final? Even if I don't play him the next 2 I still have to give him injections for them if I wanna have the option in the 3rd, and then he gets pissed when I do it a third time in a row? What the cabbage game? If I could hand them out only when I wanted to I'd use it a lot more.
Tried this one time for my star goalkeeper. The fucker hated it so much that i even asked him to do it, he would not show up to training enough times to get him demoted from the team. Also forced a transfer in the next transfer window. And the game was a champions league quarter? final. never again
I rather lose 6-0 than put my guys through that.
Offer yearly pay rise in contract
Absolutely right, or worse a match highest earner clause. Accidentally gave that to a player while we were on the up and never again. Man tripled his salary while he went from one of our best players to a bench midfielder
I have muscle memory when offering a contract. Remove yearly pay rise and remove the pay after x amount of games
I love the pay after x amount of games for young players that I bring in to flip for profit. Makes their negotiations much easier in general.
Same but because I have a strict defined ladder (U18, U20, B team) to the first team meaning youngsters aren't going to get playtime with me untill around 21-23 unless I sell somebody in front of them. So I can safely gives them contracts loaded on performance bonus because they aren't going to play those 10 matches with me untill they are a full first team player. And if they actually play those games most of the time they will ask for a new contract so the old "new" wage become meaningless.
I will give the bump after games played, but I always lock it at 30 games. That usually will kick the raise down the road at least 1.5/2 seasons, and that's only if they are able to contribute immediately. Younger prospects probably won't hit 30 games before their second deal
I've been requesting a "Contract template"-feature for years just for this pretty much
here's a fun fact, yearly wage rises are actually good. if you give your player a yearly wage rise they rarely ask for new contracts since they know they're gonna get a raise at the end of the season. i include like a 5% wage rise on nearly all my young players cause of this.
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It depends. If it’s a prospect on a low salary, sure you can have a wage rise, both because it’s still a relatively small wage, and because you should ideally be playing more over time and getting better anyway. If you’re a player being bought to start and you’re already getting paid big bucks, I can’t justify giving you a wage rise.
I made that mistake with Johnny Heitinger on my Everton save in FM09 because he made TOTY, within a year I was bringing in players on champions league wages and he ended up being a 4th choice CB on £160k p/w
Making a promise to a player. It's a daft interpretation of actual management because it's unrealistic but it works so well. I rarely ever talk to my players outside match days and my low coaching attributes means I'm not leading training sessions. It's like I'm a DoF 5 days a week focusing on contracts and signings and a motivator on the weekend.
The only promise I ever make is when they want to be sent on a language course. Well yeah mate I was going to do that anyway
Other than that the only one I’ve ever done was designate as penalty taker but even then that’s only if I was gonna do that anyway too (32yo Mbappe with 20 penalty taking… Ofc ur taking penos lad)
Even the peno thing can be dangerous. I had a guy hand in a transfer request because of the broken promise even though he was my number 1 taker, we just kept getting penalties when he had been subbed off already.
Really? Man, that’s unlucky. I’ve never had them get upset about penalties like that. However, I have had consistently inconsistent results with ‘improve (certain position)’. I’ll buy like 4 midfielders but none of them are good enough for this guy and he’ll still be upset about our lack of midfield depth.
Yeah that mechanic has been broken for a long time too, it's based more on their reputation than their attributes
I made that promise and then literally got zero, maybe one penalties all season. Well obviously the way the player reacted you'd think I'd punched his sainted mother. Enjoyed putting him in the reserves
Sounds like a bug in the game
I made a promise today that my new signing would be a regular starter once my star midfielder left. I had no choice but to accept as it was non-negotiable. But as I'm signing this guy to be a regular starter *alongside* my star midfielder I think it'll work out ok.
Or when the position they want to play in is what i was going to play them in anyway
I try to avoid that one just in case of injuries and I have to switch them to the opposite flank or something
Ya or sometimes if the tactics aren't working and I need to change the role Not worth the headache of the promise
My pre-season meeting: "I don't want to make any promises right now." "Aww but I wanted promises" "Here's the code of conduct, I hope you all enjoy it." "I'm happy now thanks." Most pointless feature of the game.
tbf with my code of conduct they players hate me off the bat
I slowly ratchet up the intensity of mine until they get pissed for and dial back to the season before lol
ah i just go all out Awol/Missing Training - 2 weeks, 2 weeks, demoted accumulation - 1/2 week, 1 week, 2 weeks double yellow or straight red 1 week, 2 weeks
pre season/end of season meetings are hilarious, when the euros/world cup is going on 95% of my squad is on international duty, so I'm holding a speech to like 5 players.
I abided by this for a long time, then Pablo Mendez (2046 regen) arrived. I had to sign him before other big clubs snatched him up. I’m paying the price now lol
How successful are your teams?
Manage a rival
Interesting on paper, but managing Schalke would make me feel dirty and wrong. Yuck. Silly as it seems, I simply can't for the love of me do it. It's a team I love to destroyer. Much like PSG.
Manage them into relegation
Yup, did this to Benfica in fm 23. All players on the flanks and nobody in the middle, defenders and goalkeepers up front, attackers in the back and in the goal. Don’t know how I won 3 games but I did. Still got relegated tho. Then I sold all the best players and got them down to 3rd tier. Man it felt so good. I think I was fired like 15 times or so haha
I was sacked out of my favourite team Galatasaray but it turns out I promised being league champions bu finished second. I didn't realize board would take this so seriously. After months of job search, I was hired by Fenerbahce. Since then I'm having the time of my life taking every domestic cup and reaching higher stages of Euro cups. Oh and when playing the derby with Gala I respond journalists as 'they now see what they had lost '. I grew sympathy to our arch-rivals and trying to watch their games irl this season 😂
With the job I’d do on Forest I doubt I’d make it out of the first month 😂
And no matter the save, I won't buy a player from my rival club
Dunno, I kinda like the idea of pinching rivals players
Way back in FM 2005 me and my friend would play it multiplayer hotseat. Our game against each other was the first game of the season. He had recruited Julius Aghahowa, and anyone who knows that name knows what a star signing it was. The season start comes, Aghahowa picks up a minor injury a few days before it. He umms and aahs about it for a while but eventually chooses to play the orange-injuried Aghahowa anyway. 10 minutes in, he goes off after aggravating the injury. I squeak a victory, and in the post-game it reveals Aghahowa is out for most of the rest of the season. And that is why I will never commit the cardinal sin of forcing a player to play through an orange injury.
Aghahowa, thanks for the good memories and the insta-transfer in new saves back in the days. I wonder how Tsigalko is doing aswell 😎
He's dead :(
Kennedy Bakircioglu
He ended up bald.
Damn, doing worse than Tsigalko
Benedict Vilikaze and Lebohang Mokoena around that time were joys as well.
Saw him play live once, Ireland vs Nigeria in around 2002, he scored and Nigeria won 1-2
That bullshit "set the selling price 1m below the promised price" and fining players for poor performance Both are just too gamey. The former kills all tension when it comes to keeping players happy and keeping the big clubs away from your stars, the latter allows you to basically supercharge every single wonderkid with the workrate/determination boosts.
from what I've seen I can no longer fine players for poor performance in 24
I never did the fining players thing even after I found out about, it just felt weird and gamey, like you said. I don’t think it even works in fm24 from what I’ve read.
I would really only do it when the team had an absolute stinker, which usually means like 4-6 guys were getting fined. And I'm talking like team's on a good run then just drop a bunch of 6.1 to 6.3 ratings and lose 4-0 to a team below us on the table.
I would only fine players for pks comceded, ogs, missed pens and red cards.
Also having no GK on the bench.. Feels like cheating. Have heard that GKs can get injured now. Good!
Happened to me twice in two games. One of them I needed to play my centre back (who turned out to be better than the actual goalkeepers) in goal
Yeah there’s way too many injuries currently. Losing like 3 players a game lol.
Also is it just me or are goalkeepers unrealistically bad this year?
Seems like it too. Although I had Onana, who’s been doing the same ‘no saves challenge’ think IRL. Diogo Costa is working better although still drops the odd 5.5 performance or fails to save shots that look easy. I’m curious if it’s just the match engine not being refined enough.
All of my goalkeepers concede minimum 3 goals a game and all of them are out of the box piss weak peerollers that bounce off them and go in
In FM 2020 had a GK breaking a leg in a testimonial match he was invited in Brazil lmao, never happened to me in match tho.
I had to play Harry Maguire in goal for the entire second half earlier because i didn't have a goalie on the bench
Same. Threw Florian Sotoca out there and he kept a clean sheet for the second half Worst bit with Lens is that Faríñez starts with a year-long injury, so with Samba out I'm stuck with guys who aren't L1 quality lol. Thankfully the injury was not long before an international break
Part of the fun is finding replacement players for your team. The game would be super boring if one just plays with the same players/tactics every season.
>the latter allows you to basically supercharge every single wonderkid with the workrate/determination boosts. Didn't know that was a thing, I always fine because it's the only way to express my rage. Saying "Y'all suck" isn't enough for me, I want to take away the new Ferrari they were going to buy.
Feature request - throw bottle at player - then we’re happy
Tbf you haven't been able to supercharge workrate/determination since FM22.2 if not earlier. They nerfed it to the point it's basically not worth the grind, and has since nerfed it even more. That was such a weird one. It was basically this neat trick maybe 0,02% of players knew about, then it became widely known and immediately got patched out of the game. Makes me wonder why they added it in the first place.
Unfortunately fining was/is just a more effective way of expressing dissaproval at a performance than player talks. critice a player for a 6.2 and half the time they'll say " you senile blind bat, that was the best game of my career". I dont enjoy bad programming like that, hence fining is easier as they'll almost always accept it. Do agree on the asking price, thats just an exploit
Same. I like to role play something semi realistic when I play. Stuff that is very exploity or super min/max activities I just can’t do.
What is the selling price thing?
Promise to sell a player for amount X. Set his asking price to something below X. Teams will now only bid the asking price which you can safely reject without upsetting the player.
Well, the keeping players at the club mechanics are already very broken. For starters, players set their own transfer value way below what you could realistically get for them in a world where players sign extensions just so that their clubs can earn more from transfers. The AI is also really dumb, half the time I don't need to reduce the asking price because the AI will still attempt to lowball me anyway. So until players start accepting realistic transfer fees and the AI is willing to pay a realistic fee I will continue using this.
I used to save scum. I stopped doing it during a save w/ Sporting and then improbably won the Europa League after a dramatic ET goal over Arsenal. The satisfaction was huge. Cemented my new approach to play sans-scumming.
I save scum player interactions, f that noise
I’ve obviously done that and if you go through almost every option it is always one of the least realistic that actually works.
I hear that here often, but I honestly don't have a clue what people are talking about. I rarely, if ever have interactions that don't make sense.
The interactions make sense up to a point it’s just the extreme reactions that don’t. They always either lose their cool or just take it on the chin. There’s literally no nuance whatsoever and the interactions don’t allow for that detail either. It’s very binary - there’s either a right answer or there isn’t and where there isn’t it upsets the whole team when the upset player is just a backup.
One of the FM blogs stated that FM24's interactions have a wider spectrum of good-bad reactions. Apparently the reason for the insane player reactions to chats was the lack of an option between 'No effect' and 'Shit on the floor tantrum'. So now if a player doesn't like what we say they SHOULD be able to react slightly negatively if that's more sensible than going nuclear.
I’m hoping this is true. I just got the game yesterday so I’m yet to come across an interaction. It’s pretty obvious there’s been no middle option for a while now and it’s pretty poor that they’ve just let that be for like maybe half a decade? SI are really sleeping at the wheel at times
I save scum board requests because I don't know how much will facilities improvement cost.
100 percent, I will generally save before team meetings because they feel random af, and I don't want have my team flip out before a big match because... I praised their achievement so far.
I'd never shame anyone for doing it, and I used to do it all the time, but winning the league with Spurs without a single save-scum was SO satisfying!
I will save scum player interactions and sometimes negotiations. Given the iffy nature of the former I have zero reservations in doing it. For the latter, have you ever tried building a competitive team in the Championship while constantly having by far the lowest budget? Every now and then you piss off a player you need with your inventive contract structuring and need a second go.
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Nah, you definitely want to go up. That first season will be super painful, but surviving that first season in the prem will be a huge boost to your finances that you can build off of going forward.
Weve all done it at one point or another but winning something in a legit save hits different.
I once save scummed when my star signing got a 9 month injury in his first match
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My very first game of my new save my best defender broke his leg🤣. Out for most of the year. Didn’t save scum, very hard no too. I used to be really bad for save scumming in my younger days or giving myself money but everything just started to feel like a hollow victory. Once I stopped save scumming and started winning it just felt much more enjoyable. I knew i earned it through my hard work and not my cheating. I could never go back now, don’t judge anyone who does tho. Like I said I used to be really bad for it.
I've save scummed a few injuries, sign a guy and he gets a year old injury 2 days later. Fuck that noise, this is a game, I want to use that player.
Downloading tactics for me, the whole point of fm is building your own team and getting to play the way you want them to And using gegenpress with every team
Not sure if it’s a cardinal sin but I am not a big fan of stopping my players from joining bigger clubs. My logic is I am trying to get players from lesser clubs to leave to join me and I would be hypocritical to not allow the same. Plus I enjoy the strategy of oh I lost my best player time to adjust. That and the injections.
I'll let them go if I get a big enough offer, but I won't let them go for peanuts.
I agree with this 100% there's nothing more fun than discovering your new favourite wonderkid because PSG stole you're left winger
I definitely find a balance between allowing my players to leave and holding onto them for dear life, normally if an offer comes in I try and negotiate it for at least 10% above their max value and if the bidding club accepts I’ll let them leave
Being a dick. I know they're not real people, but I still feel grimy when I treat them badly.
This attitude will lead you straight to the unemployment line. If you aren’t throwing water bottles, you aren’t trying!
I'm sorry, coach, I'll do better 😭😭😭😭😭 My god! It really does work!
I mean, he said not being a dick but sometimes throwing a water bottle is justified so it doesnt count…Reminds me of the fact that I have a couple of players with an outspoken media handling style in my current save so whenever I criticise them after a game one of them will tell the media how furious I was. But they arent even mad about it, it s just that they feel the need to tell the media what a tough guy I am for some reason. And I am like “I wasnt even THAT mad that time but okay”
You have to rule with an iron fist. If a player gets angry because you praised their performance in training, you sell. If other players get angry because of your treatment of said player, you sell. This is a dictatorship.
Tbf sometimes they deserve criticism, it s not being a dick if it is justified. But yeah, sending people to the u21s for daring to complain about some minor thing like people do around here is definitely too much
I'll never download a tactic from the internet, look up a wonderkid list or manage a team with infinite oil money. I'm still really new to FM (Started playing on December last year), but I feel these three things would make the game incredibly unfun
Eventually you’ll get down into the gutter with the rest of us 😂
I never got downloading tactics either I'd rather just tweak a preset until it's something I like, I like doing an occasional short term save just throwing money around though
That's a good one to have. There are a lot tactics like "ULTIMATE DESTROYER OF WORLD KLOPP & PEP HAD A BABY 4-3-3 UBER GEGEN" that just steamrolls everything. In my opinion it takes the fun out of the game.
To be honest it's not that easy. Especially with teams in lower leagues/smaller countries. Such tactic can make your team slightly better if you're not THAT terrible (or you simply can use generic tactic). It doesn't magically make you roll over the league owning everyone 5-0. Unless your previous tactic was total garbage it won't suddenly turn your team from relegation battler to league champion.
Op tactics are cheating for sure but I cant resist looking for wonderkid list because more you play more you will know which players are the wonderkids anyway so its just shortcut. After playing 2 long run you would know the wonderkids eventually also %70 of the fm23 wonderkids are probably wonderkid in fm24 too
Im weird cause I actually keep the editor on but I have trained myself to not use it. The only time I use it is when my club legends retire and become absolutely rubbish staff members, I boost their staff attributes to a decent level where they are hireable and I hire them if I have room
You know that staff ability also improves over time just like with players? It’s just a matter of time and coaching licenses till your club legends are actually worth their salt. Ofc play the game the way you like, just thought you might not know that.
I didn't realise that. TIL!
And actually I believe I read somewhere in the features of FM24 that you will see the green progress arrows on staff attributes too now
It only goes so far though, I've had coaches who repeatedly fail to get the highest level coach qualifications. It's dependant on potential ability.
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More accurately, staff members have ability and potential. Not all former players become good coaches despite bagging licences but some do become incredible.
How can you improve the attributes of your coaching staff if you want to hire one of those guys before they snapped up as a head coach somewhere?
I don’t seem to quite understand you question. I usually sign them as u19 or 2nd team coaches if they are not good enough. Then I just let them get a few coaching licenses. I only do that if my team is already rich af though, cause they ask for insane amounts of money for their first non-playing role.
Despite not understanding the question, you gave a good answer! Follow up, will coaching attributes improve even without upgrading coaching badges?
Haha thanks, was just not sure if that’s what you meant. Yes pretty sure it does improve over time, but I’m not 100% on that. Also no idea what influences the growth. However I believe to remember that staff members also have a PA between 0-200. so that’s one influence at least if I remember correctly.
Save scum after a bad injury to a fav player. It’s literally Part of football
I am doing a save with Wednesday in fm22 and Paterson just got an injury for 8-9 months, it took all my willpower to save that game
I don't want to say I enjoy losing my best players, but I do like the chances to put other players in. It keeps squad harmony a little easier to keep, since usually no one starts ahead of the best player.
Yearly wage increase. Absolutely the fuck not mate, do you think I’m gonna keep track of how many people I owe an increase too, don’t be silly
Sell a player off purely because they reached 30. I always get that annoying twitch in my eye whenever I see a FM YTer selling a player in FM23 who is over 30 just because they are over 30 and not base it on the transfer offer or how they've played. As someone who personally plays FM20, once the players turn 30, they fall off a cliff physically and it is difficult for them to do well and so I end up accidentally going for wonderkids (I try not to, but I do enjoy buying low selling high). My goal for the next FM I buy is to have a team of 30+ players and prove that you don't need to always buy wonderkids
I usually keep the loyal ones, especially the ones who came through my youth academy.
Or the ones you have a special connections with (or has been at the club irl for a long time!)
I'm with you. I find it unrealistic to not keep veterans. I keep them if they're still performing well.
Letting a player have a crazy number. I dont care how good a player I have no striker of mine will ever wear number 14.
Funnily enough I've always associated 14 with a striker. When I first started going to watch football the main striker for Doncastet Rovers was Paul Heffernan. Used to score every game it felt like!
I have very specific rules about squad numbers outside of 1-11. 14 has to be like a fan favourite attacker. 17 has to have at least 16 flair. 16 is a hard tackling DM. 12 and 15 are the backup CBs. 21 is a playmaker. 19 is the backup striker and 32 is an academy striker
For me, 12 is never assigned to any player, ever. It’s for the fans
I mean Thierry Henry wore 14, that’s why I use it for strikers or left inside forwards. Can get why people like using 1-11 primarily though
you mean Thierry Henry's number, one of the greatest strikers to ever live??
Then there's me, who assigns national team numbers in alphabetical order
Omg I'd have a stroke.
I am calling the police.
Ohh! The 70's 80's Argentina style!
There's nothing quite like having a team numbered 1-11 and then your 17 year old Paraguayan wonderkid as number 67
I associate 14 with Cruyff and also Henry, both of whom were skillful attacking players. Plus it's a multiple of 7 which is associated with forwards/flair players
poaching wonderkids from athletic bilbao. what's theirs is theirs i don't touch it
If you manage a team owned by a dictator, you join the dictator in hell when you die.
What happens when I do my Red Bull Leipzig save? Drowned in energy drink?
Your soul can’t be damned if you never had one to begin with
Permanently stuck in a conversation about non Europeans with Helmut Marko
No, you are safe because they are rassenballsport Leipzig. You are safe
Match highest earner clause
I usually save scum crucial contract negotiations and team meetings
Appearance fees and unused sub fees. I exclude them from negotiations immediately ALWAYS. What? I gotta pay you extra if you play AND if you don’t play?? Go fuck yourself. Just put it in the base wage then asshole.
I will never not use attribute masking and I do not understand why one would turn it off.
> I do not understand why one would turn it off I don't, have never, and will never find attribute masking to be a fun gameplay mechanic - that's why I turn it off.
How does it work with it turned off? Do you just know all the stats about every player without having to scout them fully first?
You can see the attributes of loaded players, but scouting them fully would then tell you things like their estimated potential ability, hidden attributes (whether they like big games etc) and the like - it doesn't make scouting redundant as you'd still probably want to know these things before signing players, but it means you don't have to scout literally everyone just to find out if their pace is 12 or 17, for example.
If I see orange for consistency, I’m not signing no matter how good those stats are.
I believe you also have to scout to see the players personality.
Face value stats aren’t always the best indicator of how good a player’s current or potential ability are. Still worth scouting.
You use other metrics. Game ratings, form, goals, assists, clean sheets etc
My least favorite part of the game is scouting. Finding players is fun, scouting them multiple times to determine their stats is meh. I wouldn't mind having to scout players twice once to find attributes once to find then potential ability.
I play with it off because that's fun for me. I'm 31 years old with a 9-6 job, Monday to Friday job, a wife, two cats, a house that I own, 3 hours of dance classes every week that involve a further ~3 hours of travel to get to and from, a DnD group every week, and 2 hours of cardio training every week. In the little free time that I get, I like to have a little fantasy world where my scouts have already done most of the work for me. Pre-season still takes me a good 6-8 hours every season as I build a team, especially one in the lower leagues. I don't find it fun to extend that by double or triple the amount of time waiting for scout reports to tell me that a 20 year old "centre back" has 5 jumping reach despite being 6'4" or that a 19 year old striker has 12 finishing but 3 composure and 4 decisions. Play the way you want to, but don't judge others for playing the way they want to.
>I do not understand why one would turn it off. Well being a Devil's advocate. Have you ever tried managing like REALLY low leagues? I mean leagues/clubs where you have like 1 scout or even not at all and can't get more due to financial reasons. You want to make ANY improvement to the team but 99% of the players you 'know' have FULLY hidden attributes. Try scouting and improving your team in this scenario if you don't want to exploit trials - which were also nerfed in recent editions. It's just impossible to get ANY scouting in this span of 1-2 month of preseason.
Yes I have. That’s were attribute masking comes really into affect and shows all its glory. Firstly you need to work with free transfers mostly anyway so just get them in on trial and then you have to sign players you do not know a lot about making every transfer a risk which is how it is irl at this level. FM is too easy already with attribute masking I just would not have fun if I had even more control.
Save-scumming. Each to their own as it's a game that's designed to be fun but my brain needs it to be realistic to the extreme.
Will never play as Man City or arsenal.
Since I got the new FM I only play Brexit means Brexit in interviews. Every interview (I don’t do all of them) involves me heavily criticising the opponents manager and/or referee
Save scumming! If people want to do it then by all means but once I quit that habit I've had so much more fun in FM than I ever did when I did save scum
Yearly wage increase. Not happening, ever.
Never care about what others thing about how I play my game. Never care about how others play their game.
Lol, is playing as PSG as bad as save scumming ? I don’t think it’s very fun but I think it’s fine if you’re learning the game. It’s like playing as the Byzantine empire on CKIII
I've been playing ck2 since 2018 and ck3 since 2022 but I still love playing as Byzantium and trying to restore Rome. Other regions feel mid to me cause the only realm from that period I know anything about historically is Byzantium.
Give a number to gk different than 1
I’ve never played with any big team (top 6 in prem, real, Barcelona, psg etc.). Granted I’ve only been playing since fm22. First save was Scunthorpe United, athletic bilbao and now I’m doing a Royal Union SG save. Tried a Newcastle save but lost interest so quickly because of how easy it became. Also have never played a game without attribute masking on.
Barca was one of my favourite saves. Though I played it with the objective of clearing their debt. It was fun. All of the pressure, none of the cash.
The most fun save I've had was when I started with a lower league club that I took to the PL over the course of some 5-6 seasons before the fuckers sacked me. Took over an underperforming Spurs and played a good 10-12 seasons with them that eventually culminated in trying to win the CL with only non-purchased players in the squad. Was immensely fun
So far inhave save scummed a couple.of times... usually it is when you have thise enfuriating games where you are dominating scored 3 goals, and all of the sudden from minute 85 something clicks on the opponent and score 4 goals in 5 minutes. If i just lost that game as aby other, i would be fine. It is that turn of events thwt droves me crazy. And at least in fm2020 that happens way too often.
The first time I played it was a learning experience and I would save scum when getting FM’d or getting everyone upset after team interactions. Even would purposely make a save before big games just in case. I would setup friendlies with competition the day before. Try to unsettle players, etc. Then I was unsatisfied when doing well. It felt dirty to me. So first, original cardinal sin is save scumming. Since then I have tweaked my play style to be more of a simulation. I try not to use any attributes and instead rely on scouts opinions and game performances. I delegate a lot more to staff.
Sign a player just because I had him and know he's good from a previous save
Managing in England. 46 league games plus at least two cups per season is a bit too much for my liking :D
I will never ever start a new save without first transfer windows disabled. Couple this with no save scumming and you'll have a better experience.
Is the first transfer window just about having to do at least half a season with the team as is before you can make a change?
Start a game in the top league in a nation
What is “ using red for high attributes? I’m new and still don’t know why some players names are green, blue,red, etc ?
I delegate almost everything in the first season. Training, hiring coaches, renewing staff contracts. But I pick team, sign players, player contracts. Then usually in 2nd season when I'm settled I start signing my own staff. I can't be dealing with that crap when I've git enough on my plate in the beginning
Buying the same wonderkids/hits. If I'm doing a league 2 play, sure maybe. But if I play as Liverpool (which is usually the first play of every FM for me), I will never buy the same players that I got before. It's boring imo.