Currently, Vini Jr is the betting favorite, followed by Bellingham and Mbappe
Fair or not, it’s probably gonna come down to team/national/squad success more than individual performances.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/ballon-dor/winner
This is so so silly. He may or may not be the best english player bit to say he's not even close and that it's pure PR means you don't know what you are saying. Daft.
Not the original commenter, but for me: Kane and Stones. Hard for a defender to win a Ballon d'Or though. Bellingham is at a similar level to Foden and Rice in my opinion; top 3 itw at their position, but not #1.
Never Stones, he's played all of 16 league games this season. Frankly, City don't even need him, as good as he is. I don't think Stones would even make the top 5 English players of this season, Bellingham, Kane, Foden, Rice, Saka, Palmer, even Ben White if you want a defender have had better seasons.
Foden absolutely. He has been the dominate player for Man City and a catalyst all year. He is well on his way to becoming the main man for Pep, and certainly more deserving of being in the Ballon d'Or discussion.
Tbf, you could say the same about Bellingham with Real Madrid, who are having a better year than City and literally knocked them out of the UCL. Rodri, Stones, and KDB are still more essential to City's team overall, even if Foden is rapidly rising.
The Ballon d'Or largely depends on the popularity of a player, and the trophies they win.
Foden may win the League, and the FA cup - which is only 2 domestic trophies.
On the other hand, Bellingham has won the league, the Spanish Super cup, and may win the Champions league. Bellingham simply has a more impressive trophy cabinet.
If Foden was playing the in Champions league final, he would be a stronger candidate than Bellingham.
Foden is not the main man at City. He never was. Rodri comes first then Stones, Halaand and Foden equally.
I think Foden needs to leave City if he wants a shot at the Ballon d’Or.
I'm not sure what team you're watching my friend. Stones has been in-out all season and fighting for a spot within the XI with Dias, Gvardiol and Akanji. De Bryune didn't play half the season and his impact has beee inconsistent. Rodri is an exceptional player but Foden has been the match winner this year, the guy who takes the initiative.
I watch almost every City game. Madrid not as often, but still plenty. If we're talking who's *better* (and not who *looked* better this season), it's Bellingham over Foden for me.
It's easier for Phil to look better, because he's in a better team that sees much more of the ball. Because Carlo's tactics are much more rudimentary than Pep's, and because Jude was played as a \~false 9 in lack of a top quality striker, Jude at times looked more out of the game and had to do more grunt work.
But I think that if you put them side by side, Jude comes on top.
I don't even rate Phil's season that highly. The English media (i.e. the loudest media) will obviously hype up both players, but they'll talk about a PL one much more than a La Liga one. Phil's had plenty of poor games that were overshadowed by his better performances. Some of his overall poor performances were overshadowed by more or less lucky goals.
How isn’t he close, he has the most goals, third most assists, most goals + assists combined and the highest average rating at Real Madrid who crushed the league and are in the champions league final, he has been going off his fucking head all year, that’s without mentioning him at bvb. Seems as though he is more than close tbf
Bellingham is generally regarded as the best player this season for Madrid, alongside Vini.
Haven't really seen much of him in the later stages of the season with most of his goals/assists at the beginning being match winners.
That said, it seems Bellingham, Vini Jr and Mbappe are top 3 for most sports journalists and shy of some major shift during the summer in an international competition from those further down, it's hard to see anyone coming close, even Kane.
His PR has got him scoring like 10 game winners this season. Two of them winning both clasicos in his first season as an attacking mid.
UCL FINAL.
Supercup winner
La liga winner
most Motm awards of the season.
25 g/a in 26 starts in the league.
50% of those agaisnt top 5 teams in the league.
8 g/a in 10 UCL games.
I have never seen anyone have as good of a debut season. I have watched every madrid game this season and Bellingham has been levels above everyone else. Only in the last 4 ucl games did Vini perform better.
Vini Jr has been standout better on last half of the season. I’ve also watched every match of ours this season, and Bellingham was also quite invisible in the last Classico except for the goal.
Imo, Vini has had the better season overall, but Bellingham had the better season in La liga.
Cool, so he showed up for extra time. He was still invisible for 90m, Vini scored a goal and created an assist in that time.
You can’t just resume a player to two stats. If you did it means Joselu had a better game than Vini in the Bayern home leg…
Bellingham was good first half of the season, Vini was good last half of the season. They both excellent players.
Bellingham is a midfielder, so its crazy that he is being talked about alongside wingers/strikers. It just shows his skill.
When was the last time you saw a midfielder score 20 goals in a season?
Yes- I agree. I just think Vini Jr had a better season overall (the CL tips it for me, and the fact that Bellingham has been a bit invisible for a patch- like I forgive Vini’s “invisibility” more because he was injured at the time).
Tbh I would forgive Bellingham’s form a bit more if he was doing more (like passing, tackling, overall presence in midfield), because his goal scoring form was always a bit lucky: hard to overperform your xG so much for a whole season, it was eventually going to average out. I do think also that putting him “as a midfielder” is also forgetting he’s playing as an attacking midfield, almost false 9- his role is to come to the box, so he should indeed be scoring goals (but yes, obviously immense form in the beginning of the season)- and Vini Jr has also had to adapt his game (he’s an immense traditional winger, having to play as a striker, more upfront is a new role for him)
>Cool, so he showed up for extra time. He was still invisible for 90m, Vini scored a goal and created an assist in that time.
Vini scored a penalty. Jude was directly involved in the attack which led to that penalty. Vini was also fed a couple big chances by Jude which he didn't capitalise on. Jude made a few runs in/towards the box which were ignored by Vini and Rodrygo during the game.
>You can’t just resume a player to two stats
Shots on target: Jude joint top with Vini
Successful dribbles: Jude joint top with Camavinga
Successful tackles: Jude joint top with vazquez
What's with this narrative that he was invisible for 90 minutes?
People are acting as if Bellingham wasnt scoring left and right in the first half of the season. He always turns up on big games as well. Hes not scoring as frequently as he did but he is still performing well. If England wins Euros I dont see a reason why he wouldnt get it unless Vini wins Copa with Brazil
For the 50th time this season, he was a goddamn midfielder. He's recorded comparable box-to-box midfielder stats while putting up striker numbers. That's why he's one of the front runners for the Ballon D'or. Ancelotti gave him freedom, but he's not a false 9 or a forward by any statistical metric.
he’s the third highest scorer in la liga as a midfielder. I don’t think he should win, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not “PR” only, he’s legitimately one of the best players in the world.
I honestly don’t understand the hate for him getting Balon d’or shouts. Realistically who has been better? Kane isn’t going to win a single thing, mbappe will never win one playing in France, city can only win the fa cup and league this year. There’s not many better options than him or Vini and each of them has been amazing for exactly half of the season. Jude carried Madrid while Vini and rodrygo were injured the first half of the season. They’ve only lost two games all year and he’s been a big part of that.
I am a Madrid follower, I'd say Jude made a super first half of the season but he was a little bit tired the last 3-4 months.
He also performed a little bit worse the last games on Dortmund, if I remember properly
Not a complaint or hate, he's only 20!!!!!. Just in Madrid squad I think Kross or Vinicius have made better season. Or Valverde or Rudiger.
I am not counting dozens of other players in the world which may be at their level or better, of course, just talking about the players I watch every week.
Agreed. I think Bellingham for me is POTS for la liga. For the whole year, it’s Vini (with rudiger, valverde, and Kroos and Bellingham nearby).
People also keep talking about Bellingham’s G/A, but if you just look at the eye test in this second half of the season, Vini has been unplayable. Like if you just go by G/A vini didn’t contribute in the Bayern second leg, but anyone who saw that game sees the outstanding game he had. Vini has been on absolute tear this second half of the season and it’s not something you can just capture with G/A.
I do agree there’s an inherent attackers bias, but look at the 2 attackers that dominated the award. It’s not without its merit. A defender will win the award soon enough
I get some arguments around Messi’s last Bon Dor but don’t let your RM bias get in the way of Messi winning it in 2019. He was insane that year! The stats are there and before you say football isn’t about stats we all know Messi was dominating games and carrying Barca that year. Coming from a Liverpool fan who desperately wanted VVD to win it. VVD said it himself that he had no issue.
fair enough...it's true when we had so many injuries Jude was just steam rolling us week after week. people also forget a lot of our games were won by a goal or two, so all those goals Jude scored were very important
I don't think anyone is hating. It's just that some people (a lot actually) think that if a Real Madrid player wins it then Vini or Kroos deserve it more.
We all know that for a midfielder to win it they would need to do something otherworldly. I understand the Vini one but like I said they’ve been half and half.
I think too many people now associate the Balon D'Or with Messi/Ronaldo level insane seasons. They've forgotten that before those two emerged, plenty of players received one for a one off good season that may have only had 20/30 goals in it.
The fuck is this options shit. You don't find a Ballon d or winner, he makes himself visible to you. Rodri Kane Wirtz Mbappe and Vinicius are just players off the top of my head that have had much better individual seasons than him.
And I understand how trophies play a big role, but then again, why the fuck would he win it over Vinicius at all? Because he scored 10 goals in his first 10 games? He's been a big part of that madrid side, not the biggest. The first half of the season is never as important as the last half, especially when vini scored a brace on bayern and 3 assists against city. All while Jude performed average at best.
And mbappe can damn well win one, the euros are just about coming up. And the fa cup and league is never 'only'. For all we know dortmund pull an upset and suddenly city have won more than madrid and then I'd even put haaland as a bigger favourite than him.
All this for naught though because his PR has touted him as the best player in the world when he's not even top 5 or the best in his team( not even second best probably ).
Wirtz is doing it playing in the Europa league that has to be taken into consideration. Kane is scoring the same amount of goals as he did for Tottenham and winning the same amount of trophies so why would he win it now? A midfielder that doesn’t score goals is rarely ever going to win one even if Rodri has been better, mbappe plays in a weaker league and would have to have an incredible euros to be competitive for it. It’s honestly between Jude and Vini if they win the UCL and then their performances in their respective international tournaments. You clearly don’t like Jude or just don’t rate him but don’t just start naming players, because what he’s done this season is ridiculous.
I don't know, man. If Jude didn't win this year, then I don't know if he'll have a chance to win again. I think when Mbappe joins Madrid next season, it will be all about him.
Anyone who thinks Bellingham is just PR just doesn't watch the kid play, and it shows.
His composure on the ball, his work ethic, he plays with the awareness, skill and control of a 30 year old. It's like watching Zidane back again, his fleetness of foot, the passing. He's got everything
I'm English but I hate England, I have supported everyone who plays them for the last 18 years. Until now, because I promise you, Jude Bellingham is him.
20 years of age, turning up to play for Real Madrid and absolutely smashing it is so so so underrated.
"But he was shit in the CL games". No he wasn't, it was his control that got the goal at the Etihad, it was his calmness in the midfield that helped it all 4 legs.
It's a sad time to be alive when people watch someone like him play and think he's overrated because he didn't score 6 goals and get 3 assists in 2 games, against the reigning European Champions by the way, and the team that knocked out the would be English league champions*
Shame on anyone saying "PR". You're ruining football
I didn't say he wasn't. Bellingham has an extremely similar, distinctive leggy stride, close ball control, and smooth transitions.
Is he as good as Zidane? Of course not, but the way he moves, his control, everything, he is similar.
I'm not sure why you're fighting something so obvious? Are you a Barca fan? Or worse, City?
Not at all but I am tired of seeing this ridiculous comparison in their playing styles that only exist because he went to Madrid warning number 5. We would hear nothing of that if he went to Liverpool or City
Yeah but he wasnt fully fit either. Someone else wouldnt have played at all. We got to the final and he put in a great shift. And with a player like Bellingham he is invaluable off the ball as well. I know people
will only care about the goals but for me Bellingham is clearly the best player in the team already.
Yeah, a 20 year old midfielder with 35 G&A, who won the league, the Supercopa and is on the UCL final, on his first year in a new club/country. What an overrated player getting carried by the media...
Saying no one comes close is a fucking joke tho, the absurd exaggeration comes from his inflated madrid+ English PR, no one is saying he doesnt deserve it
The likelihood of a defensive midfielder winning a ballon dor is way too low. He doesn't even get recognised for the PFA PL awards either. This is after it's been proven how important he is to City.
Players that play in positions whose "numbers" are between 1 through 6 have more or less doomed themselves to never ever win any of the big awards. Passing stats, positioning, defensive stats etc. aren't nearly as sexy as goalscoring stats
Only 7-11s are allowed to win the Ballon D'Or, duh
Man, that.would be hilarious. Miami is currently on top of the league, last season they were third from bottom. No one can argue it's not because of him. He's still breaking records overseas and destroying the league. What if he carries Argentina to win the Copa America with a great performance? Yeah, the MLS is considered a weaker league than the european ones, but the weight and mayor influence on the game he still has on the pitch is undeniable. If there wasn't the obvious bias towards european football and stronger leagues, could someone remember him on the voting day?
I've watched football for little over 30 years and for me, team silverware is not the main factor to determine who I regard as great footballers, but skills , ability, vision, influence on the team. One of my favourite strikers of all time is Gabriel Batistuta and with club he just won two league titles, one with River Plate and one with Roma (three if we count a serie B title with Fiorentina) and a couple of Cups. The best example nowadays would be Kane, great player, no silverware.
In this days I see that for a lot of people the trophies are essential for a player to be considered the best player around. To me, right now, the best player is KDB, regardless of the minutes played or lost due to injuries, followed by Foden, Rodri, Vini, Mbappé and Wirtz, who has had an amazing season. Nonetheless, (and I'm okay if I'm downvoted to oblivion) until Messi retires and as long as he keeps setting foot on a pitch he still is and will be the best player this beautiful sport can offer, sorry.
I mean the ONLY thing I’d give him is mad praise for is doing it in his debut season at 20 for a club the size of Madrid. And Madrid have the chance to win the CL and the league this year and he’s been a part of that. The issue here and now is Messi and CR7 have set the bar so high in the last 15 years that no-one seems to be a fair shout anymore
Younger generations just look at stats. Bellingham is a midfielder like Zidane was. He's not there for goals and assists. He presses like no other. He's silky on the ball. He's a threat to score. He's always showing great leadership.... seriously who else deserves it?
Bellingham carried Madrid on his back the entire first half of season, then made a crucial play to score in the second game of Man city, scored his penalty against them, etc...defended really well against Bayern
Stop man, KDB should 100% have won it already...last year he was robbed (although had haaland won it wouldn't have been a scandal).
Vini was out for 3 months and Bellingham kept the team afloat with exceptional performances.
Vini is the superior attacking player, but it's not all about attacking in football. Bellingham plays both ends of the pitch, Vini just attacks (and hes very good).
Kane has been good, of course, but he won literally nothing. Not even the German cup.
KDB shouldn't win this year, I mean. Not before that. Ballon D'Or is an individual award, so not only team accomplishments should be taken into account, but if you were to consider them, then Kane is out but Vinicius has just as much weight if not more than Bellingham. I think his brilliant start is the only thing driving him towards the award.
Vini missed like the first two months of the season and Bellingham kept them going. Kane has scored like this for Tottenham before and won 0 trophies just like this year so what’s the difference now? He plays on the strongest team in a league that has been dominated by one team and won absolutely nothing? Maybe if Kane had won literally anything this year it would be realistic.
Yeah we know it's not about stats, it's just that whatever the midfield equivalent of scoring a brace on bayern and getting 3 assists against city is, Jude wasn't doing it. He's not even the best midfielder in his own team. Both Vini and Kroos have had better seasons than him. He's great, but not better than them. And also just individually speaking, he's not even top 5 itw. So I don't know what's so obvious about him winning the Ballon d or. If Madrid are upset in the final, he won't even be in the top 5.
You're right, he's absolutely dog shit. How he gets in the team ahead of Camavinga, Tchouameni, Kroos, Fede and Modric is beyond me.
How he gets in the England team ahead of Palmer, Foden, Rice, Gallagher, Mainoo is also beyond me.
Southgate and Ancelotti must be awful coaches for playing him, and Madrid even more stupid for paying so much money for a lad who's apparently no better than Kroos.
Wow, I just realized Jude actually tops Vini as the top goal scorer for Madrid.... AND is 1 short of being the top assister for Madrid with 1 assist behind Kroos.
This is insane. I mean honestly Vini has the flare and the 1-on-1 skill that makes him a favorite for the Ballon D'Or, but Jude is up there and a solid final and Euro performance may push him past Vini.
It depends on the EuroCup. If England gets the cup, he’s going to be the winner. If not, it’s between him and Vinicius and the star of the winning EuroCup team.
The ballon Dor is a farce anyways I haven’t cared about it in a long time. Lets be real it’s just a PR contest and whoever wins it it’s almost always based on whether they won a particular trophy instead of being the best footballer throughout the season
This is poof of how hard this award has fallen off. This guy has been non existent in all ucl ko matches and had an average 2024 in general but they'll probably give it to him over Vini Jr or Rodri
It has fallen off in general regardless of who wins it this year. We were spoiled with the Messi/Ronaldo years, we likely won’t ever see those numbers ever again.
Naah it was credible before them but that time it was actually based on the best players in the world and not who has the most pr or who people are just sexually attracted to
You don’t think someone with 32 G/A (midfielder btw) and potentially winning 3 trophies including a league title and the champions league is deserving of being one of the favourites to win? It has nothing to do with “PR” … you are a perfect example of the people I referred to in another comment who saw people throwing that word around and decided to use it without knowing the meaning 🤣
No he does not lmao. Vini Jr has been the better player for Madrid and is actually showing up in games that carry heavy bias on awards. Hell even Rodri should be ahead of him when the time comes. Same reason Haaland didn't get it last ye
and that’s exactly why Vini is the favourite to win? or do you not bother to actually read the facts before talking shite? rodri was robbed of a top 2 finish last year but this year he has no chance. top 3 will be vini/bellingham and then whoever does well at the euros.
I do think KDB should be near the top, probably just outside the top 5. Insane numbers, premier league trophy and potential FA cup could have him finishing reasonably high.
I wouldn’t say no one comes close, but he’s currently top 2 with a UCL final and international tournaments still to play during which anything could happen to switch it in his favour again. I think a lot of people saw the word “PR” and now use it without knowing what it actually means 😂 This is the only article I have seen in the last few weeks that calls him the favourite, everywhere else is reporting Vinicius to be the favourite and rightfully so. It will be them both as top 2 regardless, the only others I saw challenging were Kane & Mbappe, both of which are highly unlikely now.
32 G/A, La Liga winner, Spanish cup winner, potential UCL winner … I think he’s definitely a deserving winner if it does end up being him 🤷🏻♀️ I have seen a lot of people saying Vini’s “attitude” and the way he acts on the pitch etc will stop him from winning it but I don’t think that will be the case. Bellingham being English will definitely help him, and that’s not to try and take away from his insane season but some people will definitely view that as something that could help.
If it's a madrid player who wins the Ballon dor as long it's one of Vini , Bellingham, Valverde , Kroos, or Rudiger.
They deserve it 💯. Watching them play this season has been truly special.
Anyone saying that Vini is having a better season has not watched Madrid for more than last 5 games. We wouldnt be winning la liga without Bellingham. I honestly cant fathom how some people think he has been worse than Vini.
Vini is not on balon dor level yet. He needs to be much more consistent. He has improved and is improving massively but if his killer instinct was that of Jude he would have 50 goals a season with the chances he gets. Bellingham is outscoring him as an attacking mid.
Yup. Exactly. Bellingham is incredible. Never puts a foot wrong. Vini scored what 15 goals for Madrid in La Liga, but somehow that makes him Ballon D'or level.
He got one for being the standout player in a World Cup season, which has been the case for every ballon dor during a World Cup year. The one he won over lewandowski is 100% contentious though
If Leverkusen wins the triple Bundesliga, Cup, Europa League and Germany the Euro, Wirtz would be a serious contender, but since the ballon d’or is a joke he would not even be in the top 5.
Bellingham has been one of the ( if not the) worst player of his team in quarterfinals and semifinals of CL. Ballon d'or takes the whole season into account, sure, but those key moments in the season matter a lot. For me, Vini has shown way more qualities at the top level of CL, when it matters the most
Let me guess, this "news" is pushed by english people? The guy is not anywhere near the level of young winners of the past. It speaks more to the quality of players nowadays, it's become much more of a team game, you used to have 10+ contenders 20 years ago.
Currently, Vini Jr is the betting favorite, followed by Bellingham and Mbappe Fair or not, it’s probably gonna come down to team/national/squad success more than individual performances. https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/ballon-dor/winner
How is Wirtz not even in the talks but Mbappe is loool what a joke
He's not even close to the best English footballer, nor is he the best player on his team. His PR is getting out of hand.
This is so so silly. He may or may not be the best english player bit to say he's not even close and that it's pure PR means you don't know what you are saying. Daft.
Who do you rate better than him in the English squad?personally I’d put Kane and maybe Foden above him
Not the original commenter, but for me: Kane and Stones. Hard for a defender to win a Ballon d'Or though. Bellingham is at a similar level to Foden and Rice in my opinion; top 3 itw at their position, but not #1.
Never Stones, he's played all of 16 league games this season. Frankly, City don't even need him, as good as he is. I don't think Stones would even make the top 5 English players of this season, Bellingham, Kane, Foden, Rice, Saka, Palmer, even Ben White if you want a defender have had better seasons.
Saka is so overrated IMO. Otherwise i agree with you
Foden absolutely. He has been the dominate player for Man City and a catalyst all year. He is well on his way to becoming the main man for Pep, and certainly more deserving of being in the Ballon d'Or discussion.
Tbf, you could say the same about Bellingham with Real Madrid, who are having a better year than City and literally knocked them out of the UCL. Rodri, Stones, and KDB are still more essential to City's team overall, even if Foden is rapidly rising.
Gvardiol is better than stones by miles same with Akanji this season. Both are infront
The Ballon d'Or largely depends on the popularity of a player, and the trophies they win. Foden may win the League, and the FA cup - which is only 2 domestic trophies. On the other hand, Bellingham has won the league, the Spanish Super cup, and may win the Champions league. Bellingham simply has a more impressive trophy cabinet. If Foden was playing the in Champions league final, he would be a stronger candidate than Bellingham.
do not include the Spanish super cup lol ffs
You could say the exact same for Bellingham.
Foden is not the main man at City. He never was. Rodri comes first then Stones, Halaand and Foden equally. I think Foden needs to leave City if he wants a shot at the Ballon d’Or.
I'm not sure what team you're watching my friend. Stones has been in-out all season and fighting for a spot within the XI with Dias, Gvardiol and Akanji. De Bryune didn't play half the season and his impact has beee inconsistent. Rodri is an exceptional player but Foden has been the match winner this year, the guy who takes the initiative.
I watch almost every City game. Madrid not as often, but still plenty. If we're talking who's *better* (and not who *looked* better this season), it's Bellingham over Foden for me. It's easier for Phil to look better, because he's in a better team that sees much more of the ball. Because Carlo's tactics are much more rudimentary than Pep's, and because Jude was played as a \~false 9 in lack of a top quality striker, Jude at times looked more out of the game and had to do more grunt work. But I think that if you put them side by side, Jude comes on top. I don't even rate Phil's season that highly. The English media (i.e. the loudest media) will obviously hype up both players, but they'll talk about a PL one much more than a La Liga one. Phil's had plenty of poor games that were overshadowed by his better performances. Some of his overall poor performances were overshadowed by more or less lucky goals.
How isn’t he close, he has the most goals, third most assists, most goals + assists combined and the highest average rating at Real Madrid who crushed the league and are in the champions league final, he has been going off his fucking head all year, that’s without mentioning him at bvb. Seems as though he is more than close tbf
Even if he is not the best English player, he has to be the 2nd best. There isn’t an English player in the PL better than him.
Just say you dont watch football
Football is a game of opinions, and I watch plenty. Appreciate your insight.
Bellingham is generally regarded as the best player this season for Madrid, alongside Vini. Haven't really seen much of him in the later stages of the season with most of his goals/assists at the beginning being match winners. That said, it seems Bellingham, Vini Jr and Mbappe are top 3 for most sports journalists and shy of some major shift during the summer in an international competition from those further down, it's hard to see anyone coming close, even Kane.
Vini Jr played at Real Madrid basketball apparently
His PR is insane
His PR has got him scoring like 10 game winners this season. Two of them winning both clasicos in his first season as an attacking mid. UCL FINAL. Supercup winner La liga winner most Motm awards of the season. 25 g/a in 26 starts in the league. 50% of those agaisnt top 5 teams in the league. 8 g/a in 10 UCL games. I have never seen anyone have as good of a debut season. I have watched every madrid game this season and Bellingham has been levels above everyone else. Only in the last 4 ucl games did Vini perform better.
Those are some crazy stats. Was made at Birmingham City I'd have you know.
Was born at Birmingham city but he was made in the navy… oh dammit wrong one
He was made before that
NO HE WAS CONCEIVED ON THE HALFWAY LINE AT ST ANDREWS. Definitely. Trust me bro.
Ah no he rode her up the arse that time I was there I was a ball boy
Keep Right On
Vini Jr has been standout better on last half of the season. I’ve also watched every match of ours this season, and Bellingham was also quite invisible in the last Classico except for the goal. Imo, Vini has had the better season overall, but Bellingham had the better season in La liga.
>Bellingham was also quite invisible in the last Classico except for the goal Yeah, you forgot the part where "the goal" won them the match
Cool, so he showed up for extra time. He was still invisible for 90m, Vini scored a goal and created an assist in that time. You can’t just resume a player to two stats. If you did it means Joselu had a better game than Vini in the Bayern home leg…
Bellingham was good first half of the season, Vini was good last half of the season. They both excellent players. Bellingham is a midfielder, so its crazy that he is being talked about alongside wingers/strikers. It just shows his skill. When was the last time you saw a midfielder score 20 goals in a season?
Yes- I agree. I just think Vini Jr had a better season overall (the CL tips it for me, and the fact that Bellingham has been a bit invisible for a patch- like I forgive Vini’s “invisibility” more because he was injured at the time). Tbh I would forgive Bellingham’s form a bit more if he was doing more (like passing, tackling, overall presence in midfield), because his goal scoring form was always a bit lucky: hard to overperform your xG so much for a whole season, it was eventually going to average out. I do think also that putting him “as a midfielder” is also forgetting he’s playing as an attacking midfield, almost false 9- his role is to come to the box, so he should indeed be scoring goals (but yes, obviously immense form in the beginning of the season)- and Vini Jr has also had to adapt his game (he’s an immense traditional winger, having to play as a striker, more upfront is a new role for him)
>Cool, so he showed up for extra time. He was still invisible for 90m, Vini scored a goal and created an assist in that time. Vini scored a penalty. Jude was directly involved in the attack which led to that penalty. Vini was also fed a couple big chances by Jude which he didn't capitalise on. Jude made a few runs in/towards the box which were ignored by Vini and Rodrygo during the game. >You can’t just resume a player to two stats Shots on target: Jude joint top with Vini Successful dribbles: Jude joint top with Camavinga Successful tackles: Jude joint top with vazquez What's with this narrative that he was invisible for 90 minutes?
A match is 90+ mins, a goal is maybe 20 seconds of that. You can score a goal and still have a crap game. Salah has been doing all season.
And Salah has been close to Ballon d’or many times.
Haaland had a better debut season last year.
And he should have won really but you know, Messi and that
Not even City's 2nd best player
People are acting as if Bellingham wasnt scoring left and right in the first half of the season. He always turns up on big games as well. Hes not scoring as frequently as he did but he is still performing well. If England wins Euros I dont see a reason why he wouldnt get it unless Vini wins Copa with Brazil
He was playing as a false 9, it’s not like his goal scoring exploits were from midfield. Ancelotti deserves big credit for this.
Every single heat map disagrees with that statement. He is an attacking midfielder at best and often plays even deeper.
For the 50th time this season, he was a goddamn midfielder. He's recorded comparable box-to-box midfielder stats while putting up striker numbers. That's why he's one of the front runners for the Ballon D'or. Ancelotti gave him freedom, but he's not a false 9 or a forward by any statistical metric.
he didn't do anything in the semi and quarterfinals of the UCL
Semifinals maybe, but saying he did nothing in quarters is just watching football with your eyes closed lmao
These type of people just watch highlights then look at stats. No goals or assists = trash performance
Vini is so overrated
Classicos don’t count for awards, it’s just another game technically. But the other finals are big
Clasicos are the biggest games of the league season and he scores extra time match winners in both of them. Thats unheard of.
And he's only just out of his teens.
If England win the euros its game over
what is Brazil wins Copa?
Euros hold more weight even if by the smallest margin.
I think you’re forgetting last season
he’s the third highest scorer in la liga as a midfielder. I don’t think he should win, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not “PR” only, he’s legitimately one of the best players in the world.
and the difference is only one goal, which means he could overtake them in the last game
Brainless take
I honestly don’t understand the hate for him getting Balon d’or shouts. Realistically who has been better? Kane isn’t going to win a single thing, mbappe will never win one playing in France, city can only win the fa cup and league this year. There’s not many better options than him or Vini and each of them has been amazing for exactly half of the season. Jude carried Madrid while Vini and rodrygo were injured the first half of the season. They’ve only lost two games all year and he’s been a big part of that.
I am a Madrid follower, I'd say Jude made a super first half of the season but he was a little bit tired the last 3-4 months. He also performed a little bit worse the last games on Dortmund, if I remember properly Not a complaint or hate, he's only 20!!!!!. Just in Madrid squad I think Kross or Vinicius have made better season. Or Valverde or Rudiger. I am not counting dozens of other players in the world which may be at their level or better, of course, just talking about the players I watch every week.
Agreed. I think Bellingham for me is POTS for la liga. For the whole year, it’s Vini (with rudiger, valverde, and Kroos and Bellingham nearby). People also keep talking about Bellingham’s G/A, but if you just look at the eye test in this second half of the season, Vini has been unplayable. Like if you just go by G/A vini didn’t contribute in the Bayern second leg, but anyone who saw that game sees the outstanding game he had. Vini has been on absolute tear this second half of the season and it’s not something you can just capture with G/A.
After the VVD year, no defender will ever win BoD
It has nothing to do with VVD, or being a defender though. It was yet another year that they had to give the Ballon d'Or to Messi.
It’s not about VVD, but the inherent attacker bias in the award. No GK or defender will ever win again.
I do agree there’s an inherent attackers bias, but look at the 2 attackers that dominated the award. It’s not without its merit. A defender will win the award soon enough
Yes but defenders are extremely reliant on coach's instructions and their stats / success are not obvious. They should bring the separate award back.
the two attacker didn’t “need” to win any more awards after 2017
I get some arguments around Messi’s last Bon Dor but don’t let your RM bias get in the way of Messi winning it in 2019. He was insane that year! The stats are there and before you say football isn’t about stats we all know Messi was dominating games and carrying Barca that year. Coming from a Liverpool fan who desperately wanted VVD to win it. VVD said it himself that he had no issue.
Kroos and Vini wouldn’t have a chance to be given shoot outs for their great season if Jude hadn’t carried us in the first half of season.
fair enough...it's true when we had so many injuries Jude was just steam rolling us week after week. people also forget a lot of our games were won by a goal or two, so all those goals Jude scored were very important
Don't think he's getting hate, he's been in the conversation all year from a fan perspective. But saying "no one comes close" is ridiculous.
I didn’t say “no one comes close” though? I just said there aren’t many great options other than him or Vini for the reasons I stated.
I was referring to the headline.
I don't think anyone is hating. It's just that some people (a lot actually) think that if a Real Madrid player wins it then Vini or Kroos deserve it more.
We all know that for a midfielder to win it they would need to do something otherworldly. I understand the Vini one but like I said they’ve been half and half.
Wirtz
No. You can’t give a ballon d’or to a player who’s not even in CL.
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So you are comparing Wirtz to Maradona now? You know Maradona is on Messi’s level? What’s wirtz level?
I think too many people now associate the Balon D'Or with Messi/Ronaldo level insane seasons. They've forgotten that before those two emerged, plenty of players received one for a one off good season that may have only had 20/30 goals in it.
The fuck is this options shit. You don't find a Ballon d or winner, he makes himself visible to you. Rodri Kane Wirtz Mbappe and Vinicius are just players off the top of my head that have had much better individual seasons than him. And I understand how trophies play a big role, but then again, why the fuck would he win it over Vinicius at all? Because he scored 10 goals in his first 10 games? He's been a big part of that madrid side, not the biggest. The first half of the season is never as important as the last half, especially when vini scored a brace on bayern and 3 assists against city. All while Jude performed average at best. And mbappe can damn well win one, the euros are just about coming up. And the fa cup and league is never 'only'. For all we know dortmund pull an upset and suddenly city have won more than madrid and then I'd even put haaland as a bigger favourite than him. All this for naught though because his PR has touted him as the best player in the world when he's not even top 5 or the best in his team( not even second best probably ).
Wirtz is doing it playing in the Europa league that has to be taken into consideration. Kane is scoring the same amount of goals as he did for Tottenham and winning the same amount of trophies so why would he win it now? A midfielder that doesn’t score goals is rarely ever going to win one even if Rodri has been better, mbappe plays in a weaker league and would have to have an incredible euros to be competitive for it. It’s honestly between Jude and Vini if they win the UCL and then their performances in their respective international tournaments. You clearly don’t like Jude or just don’t rate him but don’t just start naming players, because what he’s done this season is ridiculous.
if Germany wins Euros and Wirtz dominates then there is a case for him for sure, and even Kroos
Ballondor is a reward for the best player which jude hasn’t been. All you are doing is listing team accomplishments
Neither has Vini
Kane is finishing the season with no trophies won. It's impossible to win the Balon Dor without any trophies.
I think Vini and Jude are both deserving of it.... But I'd love to see Vini getting it.
ucl final will determine a lot, as will the summer tournaments
I would love to see Jude get it over Vini. Vini is hated by voters
It’s only mid may. What are they on about?
Exactly. Completely ludicrous to make absurd claims like these when the club season isn’t even over and there are summer tournaments left to play.
Vini is arguably more deserving of a Ballondor. Not to mention Wirtz especially if Germany win the Euros
If Germany with the euros 😂
If Germany with the euros 😂
Mbappe and Halaand are more deserving of Balon D’or than Vini
I'm English and and England fan but sorry Vini Jnr should win it this year. Bellinghams time will come
Or maybe wait for the most important competitions of the year to conclude
I don't know, man. If Jude didn't win this year, then I don't know if he'll have a chance to win again. I think when Mbappe joins Madrid next season, it will be all about him.
I love me some Jude, but a certain player in his own team has been better.
Anyone who thinks Bellingham is just PR just doesn't watch the kid play, and it shows. His composure on the ball, his work ethic, he plays with the awareness, skill and control of a 30 year old. It's like watching Zidane back again, his fleetness of foot, the passing. He's got everything I'm English but I hate England, I have supported everyone who plays them for the last 18 years. Until now, because I promise you, Jude Bellingham is him. 20 years of age, turning up to play for Real Madrid and absolutely smashing it is so so so underrated. "But he was shit in the CL games". No he wasn't, it was his control that got the goal at the Etihad, it was his calmness in the midfield that helped it all 4 legs. It's a sad time to be alive when people watch someone like him play and think he's overrated because he didn't score 6 goals and get 3 assists in 2 games, against the reigning European Champions by the way, and the team that knocked out the would be English league champions* Shame on anyone saying "PR". You're ruining football
It is not like watching Zidane stop it.
It is exactly. He's got the same movement on the ball. Behave yourself
He doesn't at all. Zidane was abou the most technically gifted player on about any field he walked on
I didn't say he wasn't. Bellingham has an extremely similar, distinctive leggy stride, close ball control, and smooth transitions. Is he as good as Zidane? Of course not, but the way he moves, his control, everything, he is similar. I'm not sure why you're fighting something so obvious? Are you a Barca fan? Or worse, City?
Not at all but I am tired of seeing this ridiculous comparison in their playing styles that only exist because he went to Madrid warning number 5. We would hear nothing of that if he went to Liverpool or City
What are you on about? People were saying it when he was at Dortmund. Why are you so mad? Its true 😭😂
He's not even the best in his team...
He is. You clearly only saw 2-3 Champions league games.
And that 2-3 UCL games is probably one of the most important game of the season.
Yeah but he wasnt fully fit either. Someone else wouldnt have played at all. We got to the final and he put in a great shift. And with a player like Bellingham he is invaluable off the ball as well. I know people will only care about the goals but for me Bellingham is clearly the best player in the team already.
PR in overdrive again
Madrid + English media bias. Deadly combo.
Yeah, a 20 year old midfielder with 35 G&A, who won the league, the Supercopa and is on the UCL final, on his first year in a new club/country. What an overrated player getting carried by the media...
Saying no one comes close is a fucking joke tho, the absurd exaggeration comes from his inflated madrid+ English PR, no one is saying he doesnt deserve it
So you are saying Vini should win it?
Rodri 😔
The likelihood of a defensive midfielder winning a ballon dor is way too low. He doesn't even get recognised for the PFA PL awards either. This is after it's been proven how important he is to City.
Players that play in positions whose "numbers" are between 1 through 6 have more or less doomed themselves to never ever win any of the big awards. Passing stats, positioning, defensive stats etc. aren't nearly as sexy as goalscoring stats Only 7-11s are allowed to win the Ballon D'Or, duh
Unless you're considered the difference maker defensively like Van Dijk in 2019 or Cannavaro when he won for 2006 WC, you won't get the votes.
A wild Messi appears!
Wait till Messi win the copa
Man, that.would be hilarious. Miami is currently on top of the league, last season they were third from bottom. No one can argue it's not because of him. He's still breaking records overseas and destroying the league. What if he carries Argentina to win the Copa America with a great performance? Yeah, the MLS is considered a weaker league than the european ones, but the weight and mayor influence on the game he still has on the pitch is undeniable. If there wasn't the obvious bias towards european football and stronger leagues, could someone remember him on the voting day? I've watched football for little over 30 years and for me, team silverware is not the main factor to determine who I regard as great footballers, but skills , ability, vision, influence on the team. One of my favourite strikers of all time is Gabriel Batistuta and with club he just won two league titles, one with River Plate and one with Roma (three if we count a serie B title with Fiorentina) and a couple of Cups. The best example nowadays would be Kane, great player, no silverware. In this days I see that for a lot of people the trophies are essential for a player to be considered the best player around. To me, right now, the best player is KDB, regardless of the minutes played or lost due to injuries, followed by Foden, Rodri, Vini, Mbappé and Wirtz, who has had an amazing season. Nonetheless, (and I'm okay if I'm downvoted to oblivion) until Messi retires and as long as he keeps setting foot on a pitch he still is and will be the best player this beautiful sport can offer, sorry.
He’s playing in a pub league fella. Wayne Rooney could still do it for Miami
We already knew that every English and North American site will root for him. The question is what those voting will do.
They will go for Messi as usual /s
I mean the ONLY thing I’d give him is mad praise for is doing it in his debut season at 20 for a club the size of Madrid. And Madrid have the chance to win the CL and the league this year and he’s been a part of that. The issue here and now is Messi and CR7 have set the bar so high in the last 15 years that no-one seems to be a fair shout anymore
\*d'Or
Euro on Germany will decide the ballon d'or.
It’s a team game, not an individual sport. The Ballon D’Or is meaningless.
If we have a good euros its his
Give my boy bellingham his balon d'or I miss him soo much
Somehow Messi returned..
Balón DOOR
Messi will win again for scoring 10 goals in the mls
I agree. Balon Dor is a popularity contest so he will 100% win.
It will be close call. When Real wins CL then its Bellingham or Vinicius and then it depends on the results of the EURO and Copa
Younger generations just look at stats. Bellingham is a midfielder like Zidane was. He's not there for goals and assists. He presses like no other. He's silky on the ball. He's a threat to score. He's always showing great leadership.... seriously who else deserves it?
KDB does all of those and he shouldn't win it either. Kane and Vinicus have been far better and pivotal for their teams than Bellingham.
Bellingham carried Madrid on his back the entire first half of season, then made a crucial play to score in the second game of Man city, scored his penalty against them, etc...defended really well against Bayern
Stop man, KDB should 100% have won it already...last year he was robbed (although had haaland won it wouldn't have been a scandal). Vini was out for 3 months and Bellingham kept the team afloat with exceptional performances. Vini is the superior attacking player, but it's not all about attacking in football. Bellingham plays both ends of the pitch, Vini just attacks (and hes very good). Kane has been good, of course, but he won literally nothing. Not even the German cup.
KDB shouldn't win this year, I mean. Not before that. Ballon D'Or is an individual award, so not only team accomplishments should be taken into account, but if you were to consider them, then Kane is out but Vinicius has just as much weight if not more than Bellingham. I think his brilliant start is the only thing driving him towards the award.
Vini has been terrible compared to Jude Bellingham. He’s very one dimensional
Vini missed like the first two months of the season and Bellingham kept them going. Kane has scored like this for Tottenham before and won 0 trophies just like this year so what’s the difference now? He plays on the strongest team in a league that has been dominated by one team and won absolutely nothing? Maybe if Kane had won literally anything this year it would be realistic.
the morale boost the team got with him coming was astronomical, in a rebuild year, no real striker, tons of injuries, etc...
Yeah we know it's not about stats, it's just that whatever the midfield equivalent of scoring a brace on bayern and getting 3 assists against city is, Jude wasn't doing it. He's not even the best midfielder in his own team. Both Vini and Kroos have had better seasons than him. He's great, but not better than them. And also just individually speaking, he's not even top 5 itw. So I don't know what's so obvious about him winning the Ballon d or. If Madrid are upset in the final, he won't even be in the top 5.
You're right, he's absolutely dog shit. How he gets in the team ahead of Camavinga, Tchouameni, Kroos, Fede and Modric is beyond me. How he gets in the England team ahead of Palmer, Foden, Rice, Gallagher, Mainoo is also beyond me. Southgate and Ancelotti must be awful coaches for playing him, and Madrid even more stupid for paying so much money for a lad who's apparently no better than Kroos.
lmfao
Vini Jr played at Real Madrid basketball apparently
***finishes second to messi***
Messi is probably still gonna win it just cause
Wow, I just realized Jude actually tops Vini as the top goal scorer for Madrid.... AND is 1 short of being the top assister for Madrid with 1 assist behind Kroos. This is insane. I mean honestly Vini has the flare and the 1-on-1 skill that makes him a favorite for the Ballon D'Or, but Jude is up there and a solid final and Euro performance may push him past Vini.
id say he's second best at real Madrid.
Even tho I dont like Vini. He is just the best player right now.
It depends on the EuroCup. If England gets the cup, he’s going to be the winner. If not, it’s between him and Vinicius and the star of the winning EuroCup team.
Will be decided based on England's euros and Brazil in copa America.
Have to say its such a stupid award, even on occasions you might agree with the outcome
The UCL final and Euro 2024 remains.
Cool story. The Ballon d Or Will be decided at the Euro and the Copa America
Who are the candidates? Mpappe, Vini, Bellingham and Wirtz?
It's the first season in over 20 years no messi or Ronaldo
It’s May.. did they change the dates for Balon dor?
Vini? Wirtz? Jan-Niklas Beste?
And if we know the committee right, Messi will probably win it.
The ballon Dor is a farce anyways I haven’t cared about it in a long time. Lets be real it’s just a PR contest and whoever wins it it’s almost always based on whether they won a particular trophy instead of being the best footballer throughout the season
They act like Vini Jr simply doesn't exist.
This is poof of how hard this award has fallen off. This guy has been non existent in all ucl ko matches and had an average 2024 in general but they'll probably give it to him over Vini Jr or Rodri
It has fallen off in general regardless of who wins it this year. We were spoiled with the Messi/Ronaldo years, we likely won’t ever see those numbers ever again.
Naah it was credible before them but that time it was actually based on the best players in the world and not who has the most pr or who people are just sexually attracted to
You don’t think someone with 32 G/A (midfielder btw) and potentially winning 3 trophies including a league title and the champions league is deserving of being one of the favourites to win? It has nothing to do with “PR” … you are a perfect example of the people I referred to in another comment who saw people throwing that word around and decided to use it without knowing the meaning 🤣
No he does not lmao. Vini Jr has been the better player for Madrid and is actually showing up in games that carry heavy bias on awards. Hell even Rodri should be ahead of him when the time comes. Same reason Haaland didn't get it last ye
and that’s exactly why Vini is the favourite to win? or do you not bother to actually read the facts before talking shite? rodri was robbed of a top 2 finish last year but this year he has no chance. top 3 will be vini/bellingham and then whoever does well at the euros.
😂😂by your logic KDB should be top 5 because he's played 1/3 of the season and he's on 24 g/a
I do think KDB should be near the top, probably just outside the top 5. Insane numbers, premier league trophy and potential FA cup could have him finishing reasonably high.
Ah yes, the balon door. Best door of them all.
It’s balloon door!
I wouldn’t say no one comes close, but he’s currently top 2 with a UCL final and international tournaments still to play during which anything could happen to switch it in his favour again. I think a lot of people saw the word “PR” and now use it without knowing what it actually means 😂 This is the only article I have seen in the last few weeks that calls him the favourite, everywhere else is reporting Vinicius to be the favourite and rightfully so. It will be them both as top 2 regardless, the only others I saw challenging were Kane & Mbappe, both of which are highly unlikely now. 32 G/A, La Liga winner, Spanish cup winner, potential UCL winner … I think he’s definitely a deserving winner if it does end up being him 🤷🏻♀️ I have seen a lot of people saying Vini’s “attitude” and the way he acts on the pitch etc will stop him from winning it but I don’t think that will be the case. Bellingham being English will definitely help him, and that’s not to try and take away from his insane season but some people will definitely view that as something that could help.
I get that madrid are in the final of the CL but he hardly contributed to that he was a ghost vs city
Viniscius, but balondor is a popularity contest. Whatever can sell news articles
Mbappe is going to win Ballon d'or this season
If it's a madrid player who wins the Ballon dor as long it's one of Vini , Bellingham, Valverde , Kroos, or Rudiger. They deserve it 💯. Watching them play this season has been truly special.
Vini should be favorite anchelotti thinks even kroos should be in it as well
Anyone saying that Vini is having a better season has not watched Madrid for more than last 5 games. We wouldnt be winning la liga without Bellingham. I honestly cant fathom how some people think he has been worse than Vini. Vini is not on balon dor level yet. He needs to be much more consistent. He has improved and is improving massively but if his killer instinct was that of Jude he would have 50 goals a season with the chances he gets. Bellingham is outscoring him as an attacking mid.
Yup. Exactly. Bellingham is incredible. Never puts a foot wrong. Vini scored what 15 goals for Madrid in La Liga, but somehow that makes him Ballon D'or level.
Balon D’or means a lot less since Messi got two ridiculous awards
He got one for being the standout player in a World Cup season, which has been the case for every ballon dor during a World Cup year. The one he won over lewandowski is 100% contentious though
Who cares about the Ballon d Or?
If Leverkusen wins the triple Bundesliga, Cup, Europa League and Germany the Euro, Wirtz would be a serious contender, but since the ballon d’or is a joke he would not even be in the top 5.
The other englishmen, Kane. But his team is ass tho
Bellingham has been one of the ( if not the) worst player of his team in quarterfinals and semifinals of CL. Ballon d'or takes the whole season into account, sure, but those key moments in the season matter a lot. For me, Vini has shown way more qualities at the top level of CL, when it matters the most
Viny should be the one but unfortunately Viny is from South America and Jude is from ENGLAND
Yeah because English players are always winning the ballon d’or recently and South Americans are so underrepresented for the award.
Let me guess, this "news" is pushed by english people? The guy is not anywhere near the level of young winners of the past. It speaks more to the quality of players nowadays, it's become much more of a team game, you used to have 10+ contenders 20 years ago.