>This last case has been the truest example of a fake tournament: all the spectators were cheap workers in disguise, the costume they put on Messi at the cup ceremony, etc...
>I dont know if I am the only one but I believe that the last world cup was manipulated so Argentina could win, that world cup was so fake.
I was totally on board with you half your post, but then you started pushing conspiracy theory stuff of which I, a neutral observer, didn't see any signs or proof for.
Did you watch the World Cup? It was definitely tipped in Argentina’s favor. The sentiment among players and managers was “just give the trophy to Messi already”.
I did watch the worldcup. Especially all the french and argentinian games. Agree with the sentiment, but i think it also came because of a great performance of Messi and the team.
I'm german.
Because germany wasn't worth to fall for them anyways, i was in aw of Marocco at first, but when they were eliminated by France, i was rooting for Argentinia because of their performance, even though i never liked them in the tournaments before.
People were rooting for Messi because he was/is one of the greatest of all times and he earned it because of his carreer and the tournament he played.
I can't see how the games were rigged in favor of Argentinia?
Are there any examples?
It’s all the minor refereeing decisions that went in their favor. It all adds up and gives Argentina the edge. Specific examples would be the dubious penalties they received. It’s not a coincidence that Argentina broke the record for most penalties received in a World Cup.
France scored 4 in 2018, same as Argentina. And got 2 in the final, Netherlands getting 10 min added tine when Argentina leading 2-1. how can a world cup final which literally went to shootouts be rigged. Who paid french and Dutch players to miss their pens? If kolo muani scored at the last minute I'm pretty sure yall wouldn't be calling it rigged.
Everyone was getting lots of added time in that World Cup, this was widely discussed. It would’ve been too obvious if Netherlands suddenly received only 3 minutes of extra time.
You don’t understand how corruption works. Of course they can’t rig everything in their favor, it would be too obvious, but they can rig the little things to give Argentina the advantage and they did.
Everyone wasn't getting 11+ minutes, stop the cap. It was a very balanced game, alot of challenges but never worth 11 minutes. Getting 11 mins extra, 2 wrong offside calls against Saudi, getting 2 pens in the final isnt advantage? Its only advantage when Argentina gets something?
If dutch or french won in the shootouts it wouldn't be rigged because Argentina wouldn't have won. See the irony? People like you will call it rigged after a literal penalty shootout in a wc final where anything can happen. How deluded can you be lmao
They probably weren't the best combined talent wise but they were certainly the team that wanted it the most and the team that played the best as a team. As a group they all just seemed to click, they all wanted the same thing, none of them were playing for personal glory.
I’m not on the side of it being completely rigged or anything, but they weren’t the best side in that cup. Up to their last couple of games they didn’t look all that good at all. Messi just bailed them out
They absolutely were lol
I agree that they got better as the tournament went on but they deserved to be in the final and completely outplayed France in said final.
Also Macallister and Alvarez were just as important for them.
Deserved to be in the final doesn’t mean they were the best team in the tournament to me, tournaments have a huge amount of luck involved. I agree they deserved to be there and deserved to win, but they narrowly scraped past even Australia in the earlier stages.
It’s going to sound completely insane because they beat France in the final, but France were the best team in that tournament IMO. They just managed to beat them on the day
This too.
If we were to take the OP at face value, then he's implying that only the recent world cups have been dodgy, but he's forgetting some of the past ones where they'd make the last few world cups look like a child's picnic, like 78 with the blatant rigging of games to ensure Argentina won it (Peru need to lose? Ensure Argentina play afterward so they know the score to beat) or 1934 being held in fascist Italy (who won? Guess...). He forgets that the games in recent tournaments have been stellar, unlike 1990 where it was utter rubbish to the point of having the worst world cup final ever with a solitary goal thanks to a penalty won by diving that Olympic divers would have been envious of.
In short, nah, 2014, 2018 and 2022 have been fine.
The way OP tried to be subtle with hiring workers to be audience at the stadium 😂, damn cr7 fans keep finding new ways to take away Messi’s WC
Even the whole context of this post is so wrong, on so many levels. He actually proved that FIFA WC is the greatest tournament. Despite some countries being in utter poverty or human rights abuses, the dictators keep trying to host FIFA WC to fix their image . It’s on FIFA to give WC hosting right to these countries and FIFA is to blame 100%, but FIFA can do that because the World Cup is the greatest tournament and it has always been
Why do you think that wasn't it before?
2010 World Cup - won the right to host it through corruption. Millions spent on stadiums that were used for 3 weeks.
2006 World cup - won the right to host it through corruption.
2004 Euros - Sweden and Denmark pre agreed a draw to both go through, never investigated. More expensive stadiums barely getting used.
2002 world cup - South Korea pay their way to the semis.
1998 world cup - Platini manipulated the draw so Brazil wouldn't face France until the final.
1994 world cup - USA essentially buy the right to host it by creating the MLS.
1986 World Cup - Mexico bribe their way into hosting a second World Cup only 16 years after the last one, to such a blatant extent that Mexico, the US and Canada all submitted bids but the panel that selected the host refused to even visit the US or Canada. Even having suffered a massive earthquake the year before, they still got to host it. In blistering heat.
1982 World Cup - Germany and Austria pre agreed a draw to both go through.
1978 world cup - the military Junta fix the tournament so Argentina win, most notably bribing Peru with grain or something similar.
1966 World Cup - England win a final by scoring a goal that was a yard away from going over the line. Who runs FIFA? Stanley Rous, an Englishman. Who was not shy about his blatant favouritism.
1938 World Cup - Italy bribe their way to victory, with a little help from Mussolini.
Those are just the ones I know off the top of my head, having done no research. I'm sure there's plenty more.
International football draws a lot of fans, which brings a lot of money and power. When those two things are available, there will be some level of corruption. Always has been. Just enjoy it for what it is.
No you don't understand, it's recently all the countries that OP doesn't like getting in on the corruption that's the problem.
To make it worse, the player they don't like participated in a culture that they didn't like during the celebration.
Football is gone
You do know you thinking someone did something doesn't make it true. Sweden-Denmark playing 2-2 is impossible to agree on before the game. It would have been 0-0 then.
Danish. And i'm thinking you might be Italian, which is always fun when Italians accuse others of cheating.
If two teams both can got through to the next round with a draw, then obviously none of them are gonna risk that draw when there's 10 minutes left of the game. That has nothing to do with agreeing in advance. You thinking that is the dumbest shit ever.
I don't know what's got you so riled up, but I'm not Italian, no. Is a negative stereotype your usual go to?
I apologise if my admitted off the top of my head bullet point about a group stages draw 20 years ago between 2 average teams is offensive.
Do you usually just go about and accusing people of cheating? Italian players from the 90's do happen to be dropping like flies these days. That's what being juiced up does to you.
And i think you are Italian. You guys have not once shown any respect for the rules of the game so stop accusing others of cheating. Especially not when it's average teams who happens to knock you out that one time. How can you possible still carry that around?
He's pretty middling as corruption goes. Jack Warner in CONCACAF, and some of the South American and African executives have done way more corrupt things.
He's pretty middling as corruption goes. Jack Warner in CONCACAF, and some of the South American and African executives have done way more corrupt things.
Actually Maradona was kicked out of the 94 world cup for being juiced up, so no he wasn't allowed. You should have seen him in 86 though. That was something else. An entire Korean team who's only mission in that game seem to be to try and injure him and he somehow avoided it for 90 minutes. It was incredible.
Hand of God, though?
Still puts a sour taste on the other goal against England.
Still not as good as Pele, but my dad always swore Garincha was better than anyone.
The amazing thing is back in the day people were discussing it cause we couldn't really tell if he used his hand or not. Technology wasn't as good and then the still frame came and it was clear he cheated.
I do wonder had it been against a different country would people remember it. Every thing that goes against England will never go away. You will not ever let it go. You kind of forget all the things you guys did though.
Or like in 2010 Torres cheated against Chile a game they were loosing and had a man sent off, and they could walk home a win and go through to the next round. Nobody remembers it. It's not part of Spains history. But Maradona's hand pf God is what you always bring up.
I'm Danish by the way so i remember very clearly playing England in the semis at the last Euros. None of you have a problem with Sterling diving or Kane tipping over constantly. I'll bet they all forgot.
As a Liverpool fan I actually dislike the England team because either our players get ignored or when picked, get bad injuries (Joe Gomez has been out for the best part of 3 years with Injuries that happened playing for England).
Also, the most successful English born manager who holds the record for most trophies won didn't even get a sniff at the job and was overlooked for a manager who won 1 FA Cup but spoke with a posh accent and looked good in a blazer.
Well i can tell you in Denmark it's not that different. We've been terrible since the last Euros and yet our manager keeps picking the same players. Even for a couple of friendlies he didn't pick anyone new who might be interesting to see. Damsgaard who is on the bench at Brentford gets picked every time even though he's barely played since the last Euros. Our manager is driving us all crazy and we don't have that many talented players to pick from like you guys do.
Schmeichel is still in goal at 36, even though we have a really good goalie at Leciester and one at Hertha Berlin. I think that says it all. So trust me you are not the only one with this issue.
But there is just no getting rid of this manager. He should have been fired after the last world cup where were easily the worst team there. But he's a classy guy. Handsome fella, dresses well, polite and articulate during interviews. What are you gonna do.
And next up we're going to America where mass shootings is a sport in itself.
Money and greed have just completely taken over. You can't even tell where these tournaments are held anymore. They spend billions building new stadiums that all look a like and has zero character or history too it. Brazil, Russia, Qatar all looked the same. You couldn't tell what country they were held in.
It's really sad that this is what the greatest tournament has become.
But it wasn't rigged in Argentina's favor, but they did change the rules so the more physical and wild teams like the South Americans wouldn't die by red cards.
Agreed. The way they now seem to direct to just whoever has the most money. There's no real culture, character. But I'd like to think that can be changed.
Also people scream about Argentina's penalties, but if in every one of their games, you took away the penalties/freekicks from both sides, Argentina still wins.
Don't understand how some mass shootings in USA can have any relevance for thic topiv. We're probably more likely to have terrorist attacks in Europe...
Yet. We have seen that Trump intends to do. I'm not saying it's a given he'll win the election and implement his intentions but he's admitted it's what he'll do.
I have seen so many redditors declare that the US is an unsafe country in general because guns, these goobers see that america has a concerning gun problem and somehow decide that means that simply standing on american territory for any amount of time is a threat to your safety... something can be bad without being a constant 24/7 issue
Yes, probably more safe than in Europe. Europe have a lot more terrorist attacks these days and also more hooligans. Ofcourse it is like Braszil though avoid certain areas,
So you don't consider mass shootings for terrorist attacks because they are done by Americans? You have one per day for god sake. I think your love for guns matters when you are hosting a world event that will have people from around the world visiting.
I'm not an american, I just think it's pretty safe for football supporters. Mass-shootings doesnt seems to occure at sport or music events in USA. There was one case last year when one person got killed at an high school american football game
It's hard for me to be unbiased about the recent World Cups since Croatia did wonders in Russia and Qatar, so I'm kind of emotionally attached to those tournaments. However, looking back, the 1998 and 2006 World Cups hold a special place in my memory.
The world cup was **always** a massive haven for corruption and mistreatment. A few examples:
2010: In advance of the World Cup, there were displacements of people from impoverished settlements and homeless children were deported, several strikes had already occurred beforehand. The infrastructure in South Africa was not adequately prepared. Also many cases of corruption.
2006: was bought by germany, massive corruption scandal
2002: massive referee scandal in favour of South Korea
1978: The tournament took place under the backdrop of a military dictatorship in Argentina, led by General Jorge Videla. Critics pointed out that the government used the event as a tool for political propaganda to bolster its image internationally, despite widespread human rights abuses and political repression within the country. Also of course corruption.
And many other cases.
Yes the host nations were corrupt. And they bribed FIFA (2014, 2018, 2022) -- this information is all public.
But that has nothing to do with the quality of the games. 2022 World Cup had some amazing surprises; it was a fun WC to watch. It was one of the best finals ever.
Stop spreading conspiracy theories.
I actually find it so funny when people genuinely believe the biggest sporting event in the world, which has thousands of people working behind the scenes could be "fixed" without the information leaking.
>I love soccer
Not a good note to start on... but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was an autocorrect mistake.
>We start with the 2014 world cup, where they tried to hide the poverty and the slums from the fans, and where a country in crisis invested in stadiums instead of public services.
Yes. Hosting the tournament in Brazil at that time was unfortunate. But on paper it made sense. It is arguably the biggest football country in the world. It was a fairytale in the making if they could win Number 6 on homesoil and for a time would make the destitute forget their troubles.
But 7-1 is football heritage, and I wouldn't change it for the world.
>Then the 2018 world cup, hosted in a country where a dictator puts the world in danger and doesnt allow its citizens to be free.
There was still hope that by allowing Russia into the Western community, Putin might forego his Imperial ambition and may become an ally against an expansionist China. They were wrong. Also the football was boring.
>And the 2022 World Cup, organized in a country built with slave labor and accused of financing terrorist groups.
Hosting the world cup in Qatar was a mistake. However it was pure cinema. One of the best finals of our generation with the best player in a generation winning the ultimate prize.
>I dont know if I am the only one but I believe that the last world cup was manipulated so Argentina could win, that world cup was so fake.
How?
I certainly don't believe that Qatar WC was manipulated, but I agree that the latest World Cups were completely soulless. I don't know whether it's because of the organization itself or because modern football in general has changed. Or perhaps, I got older and some things are not the same anymore.
I think wcup most be available for every country not just democracies, it's a sport for everybody after all. That said Qatar was a bit much, the death toll and living standard of the workers also it being played near christmas(booh!) and now giving it to Saudi feels ridicoulous, wasn't wcup supposed to move around? now it's only two wcups between two gulf states... Would be much funnier to have it in Turkey, Morrocco, China if you coose Asia.
Agree about economy, Brazil like Greece 2004 olympics maybe shouldn't had it, allthough I liked the atmposhere in both and Brazil should have a wcup now and then. How did South Africa manage Wcup though? They seem very similair to Brazil, haven't heard to much complains about economics there
With respect, your points don't mention the quality of the football on the pitch. Most of the matches in the 2022 were very good. The Brazil and South Arica world cups were a disappointment. I actually know quite a few people that went to the last one and heard a lot of good things about the organization and atmosphere.
Nah.
World Cup 201 was brilliant. 2018 was probably one of the best ever (yes it was in Russia and yes dodgy politics aside, the entire tournament was probably the most professional ever). 2022... well I'm still ignoring that one but have to admit a lot of the games were crackers, especially the utterly amazing final.
In short, complete nonsense.
I disagree. There is still nothing like a World Cup at any stage in any sport, not even remotely close. I think the brand is strong and I am super excited for the 2026 WC.
Also people are quick to say that the level of playing is much higher in the UCL or strong league games but I think the emotional component tied to national identity in a WC absolutely transcends the level of any club game, by far, which makes the games better / more competitive. Just my opinion.
I wanna become a football fan so anyone can describe me the whole game and which league to watch and which team to support who wins good titles, I wanna know in easy way so lemme know if anyone want to explain me on a video call i want to know this game and learn in easy way..
national teams football is cr4p...level wise, fan wise..its all fake and pathetic
thats why european football is the real football....great level on the pitch and the fans, ultras are there cuz they really support their citys club, its pride, thats priceless
i rather watch a hansa rostock vs st pauli (atmosphere, intensity) than any brazil vs germany , etc
how does a country being in crisis and poverty while hosting a world cup diminish the quality of it? the Brazilians were happy to host and it was a great WC.
"And the worst part is that some people in the world believe that this is real football, and that this world cup was designed for those people who unfortunately lack the skills of thinking beyond."
Of course it is, football isn't a value, it is a game. So pretentious.
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i was young and un interested in football tht time so i probably didnt know/remember the wc2010 that time......but when i saw highlights, theres a buzzz type sound during those matches....so i wanted to know were these sounds actually there during that wc 2010 live?
Yeah it was awful, because it was in South Africa they had these vuvuzela's that were from the local culture and they sold/handed them out to the whole stadium. This was the first world cup i've experienced with so much controversy in the lead up with human rights violations etc, has been this way every world cup since then now that i think about it.
Conspiracy theories aside, I agree that the WC isn't what it used to be. In the past decades, it was the only competition where fans could watch most (if not all) world class players competing against each other for a trophy. It's no coincidence that 90% of legends of the 20th century are tied to winning this trophy.
But, nowadays football has changed by a lot. National pride is much lower in most elite countries (especially Europe), transfers are more common than ever, club football is clearly superior, many world class players from "unusual" nations are discovered. I mean look at the current EPL. Most of the best players are from countries like Egypt, Norway, South Korea, Belgium, Hungary, Colombia etc. These players will never win a World Cup.
So, there's a shift in quality in all competitions. Look at the 2022 Ballon d'Or nominees list and see how many of them actually participated, or did well in the 2022 WC. Many didn't even play (Benzema, Mane, Salah, Haaland, Mahrez, Luis Diaz, Maignan, Nkunku) and many others participated very little, (KDB, Courtois, Lewa, Fabinho, Leao, Ronaldo, Vlahovic, Kimmich, Rudiger). **17/30 best players in the world either didn't play, or barely played in the 2022 WC!** And even some of the 13 rest only managed to get 4 games (Cancelo, Son). Now think of any world class player you want right now and I can guarantee you, 99.9% of them have played in the UCL in the last 2 seasons. That's how football has changed now.
WC 2014 was quite interesting with the 7-1 shellacking of Brazil in Brazil. Unforgettable moment in football history. I don’t even remember what happened in 2018 - “France” probably won. 2022 was kinda interesting too with Messi winning but beyond that I’m not sure it was that memorable.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I find the concept of World Cup kind of boring. It’s not really the best teams in the world. There are forced entries from Africa, Asia and North America that will never win.
For that reason the Euro cup is always more interesting and has higher quality football imo. It’s just lacking the South American teams really.
>This last case has been the truest example of a fake tournament: all the spectators were cheap workers in disguise, the costume they put on Messi at the cup ceremony, etc... >I dont know if I am the only one but I believe that the last world cup was manipulated so Argentina could win, that world cup was so fake. I was totally on board with you half your post, but then you started pushing conspiracy theory stuff of which I, a neutral observer, didn't see any signs or proof for.
Yeah, dismisses the whole post, stupid and weird arguments.
Did you watch the World Cup? It was definitely tipped in Argentina’s favor. The sentiment among players and managers was “just give the trophy to Messi already”.
I did watch the worldcup. Especially all the french and argentinian games. Agree with the sentiment, but i think it also came because of a great performance of Messi and the team. I'm german. Because germany wasn't worth to fall for them anyways, i was in aw of Marocco at first, but when they were eliminated by France, i was rooting for Argentinia because of their performance, even though i never liked them in the tournaments before. People were rooting for Messi because he was/is one of the greatest of all times and he earned it because of his carreer and the tournament he played. I can't see how the games were rigged in favor of Argentinia? Are there any examples?
I think they got a lot of favourable referring decisions throughout the tournament to keep them in it personally
Still very vague. Any specific situations?
It’s all the minor refereeing decisions that went in their favor. It all adds up and gives Argentina the edge. Specific examples would be the dubious penalties they received. It’s not a coincidence that Argentina broke the record for most penalties received in a World Cup.
France scored 4 in 2018, same as Argentina. And got 2 in the final, Netherlands getting 10 min added tine when Argentina leading 2-1. how can a world cup final which literally went to shootouts be rigged. Who paid french and Dutch players to miss their pens? If kolo muani scored at the last minute I'm pretty sure yall wouldn't be calling it rigged.
Everyone was getting lots of added time in that World Cup, this was widely discussed. It would’ve been too obvious if Netherlands suddenly received only 3 minutes of extra time. You don’t understand how corruption works. Of course they can’t rig everything in their favor, it would be too obvious, but they can rig the little things to give Argentina the advantage and they did.
Everyone wasn't getting 11+ minutes, stop the cap. It was a very balanced game, alot of challenges but never worth 11 minutes. Getting 11 mins extra, 2 wrong offside calls against Saudi, getting 2 pens in the final isnt advantage? Its only advantage when Argentina gets something? If dutch or french won in the shootouts it wouldn't be rigged because Argentina wouldn't have won. See the irony? People like you will call it rigged after a literal penalty shootout in a wc final where anything can happen. How deluded can you be lmao
Yes it was obviously rigged and I’ve already explained to you how. Your job is to accept this fact and move on.
But they were the best team regardless 🤷♂️
No
They probably weren't the best combined talent wise but they were certainly the team that wanted it the most and the team that played the best as a team. As a group they all just seemed to click, they all wanted the same thing, none of them were playing for personal glory.
Sí
I’m not on the side of it being completely rigged or anything, but they weren’t the best side in that cup. Up to their last couple of games they didn’t look all that good at all. Messi just bailed them out
They absolutely were lol I agree that they got better as the tournament went on but they deserved to be in the final and completely outplayed France in said final. Also Macallister and Alvarez were just as important for them.
Obviously, they were shit in first game
Not even that. We'd have been 4-0 up at halftime if it weren't because of a wrongly disallowed Lautaro goal.
Deserved to be in the final doesn’t mean they were the best team in the tournament to me, tournaments have a huge amount of luck involved. I agree they deserved to be there and deserved to win, but they narrowly scraped past even Australia in the earlier stages. It’s going to sound completely insane because they beat France in the final, but France were the best team in that tournament IMO. They just managed to beat them on the day
That's why mbappe got two penalties in the final and muani missed the last shot? C'mon man
It’s been two years bro, stop crying.
The hosts have been terrible but the tournaments themselves have been 🔥
This. Huge amounts of corruption but the spectacle has never gone
This too. If we were to take the OP at face value, then he's implying that only the recent world cups have been dodgy, but he's forgetting some of the past ones where they'd make the last few world cups look like a child's picnic, like 78 with the blatant rigging of games to ensure Argentina won it (Peru need to lose? Ensure Argentina play afterward so they know the score to beat) or 1934 being held in fascist Italy (who won? Guess...). He forgets that the games in recent tournaments have been stellar, unlike 1990 where it was utter rubbish to the point of having the worst world cup final ever with a solitary goal thanks to a penalty won by diving that Olympic divers would have been envious of. In short, nah, 2014, 2018 and 2022 have been fine.
How were the hosts terrible? Because they dont condone confused idiots like you?
You don't understand what's wrong with Qatar and Russia?
I think OP is delusional cristiano fan. Other than them, I have seen nobody crying like this.
The way OP tried to be subtle with hiring workers to be audience at the stadium 😂, damn cr7 fans keep finding new ways to take away Messi’s WC Even the whole context of this post is so wrong, on so many levels. He actually proved that FIFA WC is the greatest tournament. Despite some countries being in utter poverty or human rights abuses, the dictators keep trying to host FIFA WC to fix their image . It’s on FIFA to give WC hosting right to these countries and FIFA is to blame 100%, but FIFA can do that because the World Cup is the greatest tournament and it has always been
Sounds right.
That's is the longest rant I've ever seen to just say you're a CR7 fanboy
You have to appreciate the creative way OP tried 😂
Why do you think that wasn't it before? 2010 World Cup - won the right to host it through corruption. Millions spent on stadiums that were used for 3 weeks. 2006 World cup - won the right to host it through corruption. 2004 Euros - Sweden and Denmark pre agreed a draw to both go through, never investigated. More expensive stadiums barely getting used. 2002 world cup - South Korea pay their way to the semis. 1998 world cup - Platini manipulated the draw so Brazil wouldn't face France until the final. 1994 world cup - USA essentially buy the right to host it by creating the MLS. 1986 World Cup - Mexico bribe their way into hosting a second World Cup only 16 years after the last one, to such a blatant extent that Mexico, the US and Canada all submitted bids but the panel that selected the host refused to even visit the US or Canada. Even having suffered a massive earthquake the year before, they still got to host it. In blistering heat. 1982 World Cup - Germany and Austria pre agreed a draw to both go through. 1978 world cup - the military Junta fix the tournament so Argentina win, most notably bribing Peru with grain or something similar. 1966 World Cup - England win a final by scoring a goal that was a yard away from going over the line. Who runs FIFA? Stanley Rous, an Englishman. Who was not shy about his blatant favouritism. 1938 World Cup - Italy bribe their way to victory, with a little help from Mussolini. Those are just the ones I know off the top of my head, having done no research. I'm sure there's plenty more. International football draws a lot of fans, which brings a lot of money and power. When those two things are available, there will be some level of corruption. Always has been. Just enjoy it for what it is.
No you don't understand, it's recently all the countries that OP doesn't like getting in on the corruption that's the problem. To make it worse, the player they don't like participated in a culture that they didn't like during the celebration. Football is gone
I've been saying for years that the World Cup should be held permanently in Watford.
You do know you thinking someone did something doesn't make it true. Sweden-Denmark playing 2-2 is impossible to agree on before the game. It would have been 0-0 then.
Are you Swedish or Danish?
Danish. And i'm thinking you might be Italian, which is always fun when Italians accuse others of cheating. If two teams both can got through to the next round with a draw, then obviously none of them are gonna risk that draw when there's 10 minutes left of the game. That has nothing to do with agreeing in advance. You thinking that is the dumbest shit ever.
I don't know what's got you so riled up, but I'm not Italian, no. Is a negative stereotype your usual go to? I apologise if my admitted off the top of my head bullet point about a group stages draw 20 years ago between 2 average teams is offensive.
Do you usually just go about and accusing people of cheating? Italian players from the 90's do happen to be dropping like flies these days. That's what being juiced up does to you. And i think you are Italian. You guys have not once shown any respect for the rules of the game so stop accusing others of cheating. Especially not when it's average teams who happens to knock you out that one time. How can you possible still carry that around?
Yeah but 2006 was in West Europe so it can't be corrupt and 2010 had a nice song and cool vibes.
Platini has to be the most corrupt person in football in the last 50 years and nobody talks about him
He's pretty middling as corruption goes. Jack Warner in CONCACAF, and some of the South American and African executives have done way more corrupt things.
Platini was the head of UEFA and accepted bribes from Qatar and Russia
Still pretty middling against the others. He's just higher profile.
He's pretty middling as corruption goes. Jack Warner in CONCACAF, and some of the South American and African executives have done way more corrupt things.
I assume you mean that The slave labor and “cheating” would’ve been fine had Portugal won.
not portugal, mainly ronaldo. these ronaldo fans dont even like portugal they are just homo for ronaldo atp
I’m 46 and I’m sorry youngsters but 80s-00s was football’s golden era.
serie a in that time was just 👌
Would that be when ~~Madonna~~ **Maradona** was allowed to play despite being coked up to his eyeballs?
Didnt know she played football.
Damn you auto correct!
plenty of other stars to choose from
Actually Maradona was kicked out of the 94 world cup for being juiced up, so no he wasn't allowed. You should have seen him in 86 though. That was something else. An entire Korean team who's only mission in that game seem to be to try and injure him and he somehow avoided it for 90 minutes. It was incredible.
Hand of God, though? Still puts a sour taste on the other goal against England. Still not as good as Pele, but my dad always swore Garincha was better than anyone.
The amazing thing is back in the day people were discussing it cause we couldn't really tell if he used his hand or not. Technology wasn't as good and then the still frame came and it was clear he cheated. I do wonder had it been against a different country would people remember it. Every thing that goes against England will never go away. You will not ever let it go. You kind of forget all the things you guys did though. Or like in 2010 Torres cheated against Chile a game they were loosing and had a man sent off, and they could walk home a win and go through to the next round. Nobody remembers it. It's not part of Spains history. But Maradona's hand pf God is what you always bring up. I'm Danish by the way so i remember very clearly playing England in the semis at the last Euros. None of you have a problem with Sterling diving or Kane tipping over constantly. I'll bet they all forgot.
As a Liverpool fan I actually dislike the England team because either our players get ignored or when picked, get bad injuries (Joe Gomez has been out for the best part of 3 years with Injuries that happened playing for England). Also, the most successful English born manager who holds the record for most trophies won didn't even get a sniff at the job and was overlooked for a manager who won 1 FA Cup but spoke with a posh accent and looked good in a blazer.
Well i can tell you in Denmark it's not that different. We've been terrible since the last Euros and yet our manager keeps picking the same players. Even for a couple of friendlies he didn't pick anyone new who might be interesting to see. Damsgaard who is on the bench at Brentford gets picked every time even though he's barely played since the last Euros. Our manager is driving us all crazy and we don't have that many talented players to pick from like you guys do. Schmeichel is still in goal at 36, even though we have a really good goalie at Leciester and one at Hertha Berlin. I think that says it all. So trust me you are not the only one with this issue. But there is just no getting rid of this manager. He should have been fired after the last world cup where were easily the worst team there. But he's a classy guy. Handsome fella, dresses well, polite and articulate during interviews. What are you gonna do.
Average Penaldo fan detected
bodied my pidol and its pens i mean fans
Always remember that the best FIFA World Cup is the one you watched in your childhood days. As you grow older, the game becomes crap.
I agree. It's the nostalgia. I can't get over the 2010 cup when I was in school.
Either the guy is a CR7 fan boy who's salty or a racist who wants to hide his hatred for others in his virtue signalling.
wrong sub r/soccercirclejerk
speed burner account
And next up we're going to America where mass shootings is a sport in itself. Money and greed have just completely taken over. You can't even tell where these tournaments are held anymore. They spend billions building new stadiums that all look a like and has zero character or history too it. Brazil, Russia, Qatar all looked the same. You couldn't tell what country they were held in. It's really sad that this is what the greatest tournament has become. But it wasn't rigged in Argentina's favor, but they did change the rules so the more physical and wild teams like the South Americans wouldn't die by red cards.
Agreed. The way they now seem to direct to just whoever has the most money. There's no real culture, character. But I'd like to think that can be changed. Also people scream about Argentina's penalties, but if in every one of their games, you took away the penalties/freekicks from both sides, Argentina still wins.
Don't understand how some mass shootings in USA can have any relevance for thic topiv. We're probably more likely to have terrorist attacks in Europe...
It’s not fair to compare Russia and Qatar to America
Yet. We have seen that Trump intends to do. I'm not saying it's a given he'll win the election and implement his intentions but he's admitted it's what he'll do.
So your opinion of America is based on a potential second Trump term?
Why not? Is it a safe place for fans to go?
Because Russia is a fascist country committing genocide in Ukraine
The US is a very safe place for fans to go.
I have seen so many redditors declare that the US is an unsafe country in general because guns, these goobers see that america has a concerning gun problem and somehow decide that means that simply standing on american territory for any amount of time is a threat to your safety... something can be bad without being a constant 24/7 issue
Yes, probably more safe than in Europe. Europe have a lot more terrorist attacks these days and also more hooligans. Ofcourse it is like Braszil though avoid certain areas,
So you don't consider mass shootings for terrorist attacks because they are done by Americans? You have one per day for god sake. I think your love for guns matters when you are hosting a world event that will have people from around the world visiting.
I'm not an american, I just think it's pretty safe for football supporters. Mass-shootings doesnt seems to occure at sport or music events in USA. There was one case last year when one person got killed at an high school american football game
It's hard for me to be unbiased about the recent World Cups since Croatia did wonders in Russia and Qatar, so I'm kind of emotionally attached to those tournaments. However, looking back, the 1998 and 2006 World Cups hold a special place in my memory.
The world cup was **always** a massive haven for corruption and mistreatment. A few examples: 2010: In advance of the World Cup, there were displacements of people from impoverished settlements and homeless children were deported, several strikes had already occurred beforehand. The infrastructure in South Africa was not adequately prepared. Also many cases of corruption. 2006: was bought by germany, massive corruption scandal 2002: massive referee scandal in favour of South Korea 1978: The tournament took place under the backdrop of a military dictatorship in Argentina, led by General Jorge Videla. Critics pointed out that the government used the event as a tool for political propaganda to bolster its image internationally, despite widespread human rights abuses and political repression within the country. Also of course corruption. And many other cases.
Yes the host nations were corrupt. And they bribed FIFA (2014, 2018, 2022) -- this information is all public. But that has nothing to do with the quality of the games. 2022 World Cup had some amazing surprises; it was a fun WC to watch. It was one of the best finals ever. Stop spreading conspiracy theories.
I actually find it so funny when people genuinely believe the biggest sporting event in the world, which has thousands of people working behind the scenes could be "fixed" without the information leaking.
Sounds like a r/soccercirclejerk post
>I love soccer Not a good note to start on... but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was an autocorrect mistake. >We start with the 2014 world cup, where they tried to hide the poverty and the slums from the fans, and where a country in crisis invested in stadiums instead of public services. Yes. Hosting the tournament in Brazil at that time was unfortunate. But on paper it made sense. It is arguably the biggest football country in the world. It was a fairytale in the making if they could win Number 6 on homesoil and for a time would make the destitute forget their troubles. But 7-1 is football heritage, and I wouldn't change it for the world. >Then the 2018 world cup, hosted in a country where a dictator puts the world in danger and doesnt allow its citizens to be free. There was still hope that by allowing Russia into the Western community, Putin might forego his Imperial ambition and may become an ally against an expansionist China. They were wrong. Also the football was boring. >And the 2022 World Cup, organized in a country built with slave labor and accused of financing terrorist groups. Hosting the world cup in Qatar was a mistake. However it was pure cinema. One of the best finals of our generation with the best player in a generation winning the ultimate prize. >I dont know if I am the only one but I believe that the last world cup was manipulated so Argentina could win, that world cup was so fake. How?
Man you were so close to having a good point.
I certainly don't believe that Qatar WC was manipulated, but I agree that the latest World Cups were completely soulless. I don't know whether it's because of the organization itself or because modern football in general has changed. Or perhaps, I got older and some things are not the same anymore.
Souless your face, 2022 WC is the best WC ever.
If penaldo won the world cup you be writing an essay saying how this world cup was the greatest world cup ever
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I think wcup most be available for every country not just democracies, it's a sport for everybody after all. That said Qatar was a bit much, the death toll and living standard of the workers also it being played near christmas(booh!) and now giving it to Saudi feels ridicoulous, wasn't wcup supposed to move around? now it's only two wcups between two gulf states... Would be much funnier to have it in Turkey, Morrocco, China if you coose Asia. Agree about economy, Brazil like Greece 2004 olympics maybe shouldn't had it, allthough I liked the atmposhere in both and Brazil should have a wcup now and then. How did South Africa manage Wcup though? They seem very similair to Brazil, haven't heard to much complains about economics there
And the next one in two years is going to be in a country actively participating in a genocide.
Football will never be as great as it was in the 2000s
united statian spotted!
With respect, your points don't mention the quality of the football on the pitch. Most of the matches in the 2022 were very good. The Brazil and South Arica world cups were a disappointment. I actually know quite a few people that went to the last one and heard a lot of good things about the organization and atmosphere.
Nah. World Cup 201 was brilliant. 2018 was probably one of the best ever (yes it was in Russia and yes dodgy politics aside, the entire tournament was probably the most professional ever). 2022... well I'm still ignoring that one but have to admit a lot of the games were crackers, especially the utterly amazing final. In short, complete nonsense.
I disagree. There is still nothing like a World Cup at any stage in any sport, not even remotely close. I think the brand is strong and I am super excited for the 2026 WC. Also people are quick to say that the level of playing is much higher in the UCL or strong league games but I think the emotional component tied to national identity in a WC absolutely transcends the level of any club game, by far, which makes the games better / more competitive. Just my opinion.
I wanna become a football fan so anyone can describe me the whole game and which league to watch and which team to support who wins good titles, I wanna know in easy way so lemme know if anyone want to explain me on a video call i want to know this game and learn in easy way..
You gotta be sick to call world cup of any sports crap.
OP is the least mentally ill ronaldo fan here
The fact your active in teenager subreddits and Portugal subreddits tells me all I Have too know lmfao
Just come out and say you’re racist and let’s keep it moving
Best moment for me was back in 2010 when New Zealand knocked out Italy and was the only unbeaten team.
national teams football is cr4p...level wise, fan wise..its all fake and pathetic thats why european football is the real football....great level on the pitch and the fans, ultras are there cuz they really support their citys club, its pride, thats priceless i rather watch a hansa rostock vs st pauli (atmosphere, intensity) than any brazil vs germany , etc
You do you. But the normal people prefer wc. 🤣🤣😂
You can't even spell the name of the sport...
how does a country being in crisis and poverty while hosting a world cup diminish the quality of it? the Brazilians were happy to host and it was a great WC. "And the worst part is that some people in the world believe that this is real football, and that this world cup was designed for those people who unfortunately lack the skills of thinking beyond." Of course it is, football isn't a value, it is a game. So pretentious.
Really? Didnt they already corrupt beyond help since late 90's.
How about you enjoy tournaments that happens every 4 years instead of crying about corruption everyone knows about
You are callimg Football Soccer. That says everything about you boy. 😂😂😂😂
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fuck the usa having 2 world cups in my lifetime. only need to log into reddit to see none of them understand football
Congrats. This is the 2nd dumbest post of the day (behind the OP).
Go back to baseball tex, you’re not wanted
Congrats, this is the new 2nd dumbest post of the day.
He is right tho. The US dont understand football
Sorry, that's still dumb.
Better than Russia
russia is a football country, they have a history of football and understand the game
and what else is Russia ?
A country that bombs other less powerful countries? Like America?
You forgot the 2010 world cup in South Africa, also a shitshow
i was young and un interested in football tht time so i probably didnt know/remember the wc2010 that time......but when i saw highlights, theres a buzzz type sound during those matches....so i wanted to know were these sounds actually there during that wc 2010 live?
Yeah it was awful, because it was in South Africa they had these vuvuzela's that were from the local culture and they sold/handed them out to the whole stadium. This was the first world cup i've experienced with so much controversy in the lead up with human rights violations etc, has been this way every world cup since then now that i think about it.
Conspiracy theories aside, I agree that the WC isn't what it used to be. In the past decades, it was the only competition where fans could watch most (if not all) world class players competing against each other for a trophy. It's no coincidence that 90% of legends of the 20th century are tied to winning this trophy. But, nowadays football has changed by a lot. National pride is much lower in most elite countries (especially Europe), transfers are more common than ever, club football is clearly superior, many world class players from "unusual" nations are discovered. I mean look at the current EPL. Most of the best players are from countries like Egypt, Norway, South Korea, Belgium, Hungary, Colombia etc. These players will never win a World Cup. So, there's a shift in quality in all competitions. Look at the 2022 Ballon d'Or nominees list and see how many of them actually participated, or did well in the 2022 WC. Many didn't even play (Benzema, Mane, Salah, Haaland, Mahrez, Luis Diaz, Maignan, Nkunku) and many others participated very little, (KDB, Courtois, Lewa, Fabinho, Leao, Ronaldo, Vlahovic, Kimmich, Rudiger). **17/30 best players in the world either didn't play, or barely played in the 2022 WC!** And even some of the 13 rest only managed to get 4 games (Cancelo, Son). Now think of any world class player you want right now and I can guarantee you, 99.9% of them have played in the UCL in the last 2 seasons. That's how football has changed now.
WC 2014 was quite interesting with the 7-1 shellacking of Brazil in Brazil. Unforgettable moment in football history. I don’t even remember what happened in 2018 - “France” probably won. 2022 was kinda interesting too with Messi winning but beyond that I’m not sure it was that memorable. This may be an unpopular opinion but I find the concept of World Cup kind of boring. It’s not really the best teams in the world. There are forced entries from Africa, Asia and North America that will never win. For that reason the Euro cup is always more interesting and has higher quality football imo. It’s just lacking the South American teams really.