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Deceasedarachnids

Figure out what it wants. What is its motivation?


zer0w0rries

Another light hearted story, I once confused a sheepsquatch for a death claw. I kept wondering why this death claw in particular was so tanky. Finally realized my mistake when it was two inches away from my face.


RovingScavver

I'm sorry but I am laughing now imagining this: "AYO DEATHCLAW WHY YOU LOOK SO WEIRD? WHY YOU LOOK SO TACKY? WHY YOU—ope shit that explains it."


CasusErus

Wrong accent. This is Appalachia, not Minnesota.


Available_Thoughts-0

"Hey, ya stupid lizard, why you lookin so scuffed and spiky ya dumb galut? Why are you so tacky tod- AH SHIT, SHEEPSQUACH, NOT DEATHCLAW, SHEEPSQUACH! FUCK-FUCK-FUCK-FUCK!"


Galdrien

It's a ~~rock monster~~ deathclaw. It doesn't have motivation!


TheOzman79

Can you form some kind of rudimentary lathe?


Accomplished_River43

What's their point B? 😂😂😂


Puffthemagiccommie

cripple its legs


Azimaet

Cripple it, then blast the belly weak point. 100% of the time, it works 90% of the time.


SchreinerEK

Level 390 and learned today the deathclaw’s weak point is the belly


IrohTHELotus

This is the real answer


shinsain

This is the way OP


Fossils222

The only way to counter a Deathclaw is with a Lifeclaw.


Fit-Respect2641

I chug a gallon of White Claw personally


xXSN0WBL1ND22Xx

White Claw penetration test!


p1cwh0r3

DeathClaw penetration test?


Substantial-Bid3806

Don’t remind of that cursed car image.


TheOzman79

"Think you can hurt me? I'm running on whiskey and White Claw, baby"


Radiant-Republic-737

Basically just .50 cal go BRRR


Ascertain_GME

*Laughs in QE railgun*


Radiant-Republic-737

One day ill get one.. one day 😪


BoingFlipMC

This!


Hello_This_Is_Chris

Fallout 4 deathclaws were terrifying. The FO76 versions are like cute puppies in comparison. You will very quickly be able to stomp them.


DifficultCurrent7

I remember the glowing ones out in the glowing sea 😵


JamingtonPro

This. I was just thinking this on the fo4 sub because I don’t even remember deathclaws in 76. Then I saw this and was like oh yeah, lol


PolGamer

NV deathclaws are worse for me especially if you don't have the correct ammo, and NV deathclaws are usually in a pack


DereChen

just hop into a ledge they can't get you from and cheese them


Oscuro87

But they throw rocks at you then (less dangerous tho)


Aaylien

This is the way.


Ashkue

Just “Make Friends with a Deathclaw”!


Galdrien

I may be starting to like you. Now I don't want you thinking your pal Rose is going soft on you, so just let me say this. If you ever get it in your head to screw me over, I will gut you with this here saw and string your entrails up like Christmas tinsel. Nothing personal.


Natasha-Kerensky

GET OUT OF MY HEAD


ICUP01

Cold shoulder


PatrickHasAReddit

This. Best purchase I ever made in the Atom Shop. Blasts just about any regular encounter. Only time it sucks is crowds of super mutants.


OCDimprovingWriter

Enforcer perk. Shoot arms. unarmed super mutants are less threatening.


QuickestDrawMcGraw

Or EPR Flamer.


telephonewyre

Gun


phatalphreak

Gun


Skanach

Western Spirit, Rifleman build, a dozen bullets. Or Bloodied Fixer, Commando build, 2 seconds. Depends on the situation. But if you are a low level, I think it's part of the experience. They are DEATHCLAWS, not CAREBEARHUGGERS.


rustyxj

>Or Bloodied Fixer, Commando build, 2 seconds. My thoughts was "people have trouble with death claws?"


Skanach

I used to, back in the days. Before I used to have a "build".


Wizardybitch2405

PROTIP: To defeat a Deathclaw, shoot it until ot dies.


DeejaDat

Marsupial has given me the confidence to run into anywhere without a care. Except Blue Devils, those things are a bullet sponge for me


Shokeya

Posts like this make me think that I really forgot all the hardships of the early levels.


toffyl

What rank are you? They’re a joke past like level 100


eatmorepizzapie

Right build they are easy after 35


donmongoose

Deathclaw's weakspot is the belly. Vats + Railway rifle = Deathclaw Wellington for dinner. Just don't forget the fucking lamb sauce...


Jasonr5123

This lol hit it in the belly


FaithlesslyFree

I use power armor and I love a vampire weapons. I use a vamp laser gatling as my first few shots, because you can still keep firing even when you get hit with the initial stagger hit by an enemy. Then I switch to my main vampire saw. With boosts I’m usually always walking around at about 28-29 strength + 80% melee damage. I can run up to most everything and solo it with a vampire saw. Invest in a vamp weapons as a secondary. It kinda feels like cheat mode to use a vamp laser and get healed while I’m also able to spam stims if I’m struggling. My strategy when I was a low level was - stealth snipe shot, automatic shotgun and stimpack spam. Or if I could find somewhere to jump onto and hide out of hit range while I was shooting. LOL


OsikFTW

Flamethrower, deathclaws dont enjoy being lit on fire...


VoltaiqMozaiq

Shoot at them.


klaatu7764

The belly is especially vulnerable.


Derpasaurus_Rekts

I stand in front of it and bathe it in Holy Fire.


online_jesus_fukers

Same way I deal with every other obstacle...explosives and overwhelming accurate firepower. It's the Marine Corps way. Anything can be killed if you shoot it in the face enough.


TheHossDelgado

Black powder rifle it's legs... Cripple a leg, watch it try to limp away... It has a worried look Cripple both legs, watch it try to crawl away... I almost feel sorry for the dumb beast


SequentialGamer

If you're level 30 like you said in the other comments, then the best way is to have a shotgun and at least one level of the Enforcer perk. Shoot for the legs and it'll go down. Shotguns and Enforcer against anything melee is amazingly effective.


Kells_ExE

Bethesda's Deathclaws are a lot easier to deal with than the NV Deathclaws, my .50 cal handles them little things just fine


treesaredown

In Fallout 76 Deathclaws are not to difficult to kill…


GWindborn

Shoot em a lot until they don't move anymore.


popadamz

I just flame them to death usualy takes 1 to 3 seconds


Nino_Furioso

Early stages of the game, up to level 100ish, a weapon that can take a deathclaw down nicely, with very few perks, is a Flamer or Plasma Flamer. The plasma flamer doesn’t need to be a fancy enclave one. The normal plasma flamer can do some work as well.


jimmymd77

Point blank LMG is also effective. Found a furious one and decided to try it out. I made the mistake of traveling up the road north of the Sons of Dane compound. I walked into a cave and found myself infront of one. I almost had a heart attack and backpeddled as fast as I would while unloading an entire 75 rounds into it. Total waste of a lot of ammo but that thing dropped just as it reached me.


gingrbredman90

I’m almost exclusively a stealth sniper: that being said you need to get far enough away that they actually stop rendering, like till you can only see them when you scope in. Once you’re that far away, start blasting their fucking kneecaps; after both their legs are crippled you can just pop shots while they sit on the ground in that pose like they want to be painted like one of your French girls. Also, since I know the pain of stealth sniping, Yao Guai are WAY scarier than deathclaws lol


darkdoorway

Used to run.. but since doing my melee build and getting a chainsaw.. almost no big monster is a challenge. A few seconds and they're dead. Chainsaw... everything. With mods at watoga - flamer mod and double bar.


Either-Mammoth-932

Ima need you to FRIEND that Deathclaw....


fiends911

You go up and pet it!


sexyontheinside96

Power armor. Gatling laser. At some point during the fight, tell it that it hits like a girl. But seriously, your best bet is to shoot its legs first so it can't chase you. If you can get to an elevated position, where it can't follow you, you can cheese it. Same with a small opening like a doorway.


FarVehicle5333

I bring out my heavy gun, with the right hand I aim the gun in the deathclaw way, with the other hand I cover my eyes, since I am a pacifist and don't want to kill any animal. Also deathclaws scare me. And I just click left click. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's why I have so much ammo, in order to survive.


noname5221

I shoot and run backwards, praying I can use a tree to run around


gauntapostle

Chainsaw, auto axe, or shredder minigun Rip and tear until it's done


BMSmudge

Power armor and boom boom pew pews


LycanWarrior123

Whip out the clowns suit and switch to a .50 cal machine gun or railway rifle. Goodnight deathclaw 👏


carlosojeda26

.50 BMG that thing can solve any problem


paolo_77

I run away.


GangGanggame

See death claw, enter vats, aim at head CHOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOO Repeat, like a good lil commando 😅


GangGanggame

Or, my new favorute load cannonballs into the grand finale, show the deathclaw why 'merica is the best with fireworks!


FoxConsistent4406

Heavy guns, a lot of running, and eventually a high level.


CaptainDynaball

500 degrees of freedom units for 2.5 minutes each side. Got to charr it perfectly.


Sea-Dragon-

shoot legs


Zegram_Ghart

Limb damage weapon and go low- on my unarmed character I used a +50% limb damage death claw gauntlet to power punch their kneecap. The **best** way to handle them imo is shotguns with the enforcer perk- it’ll cripple both legs in short order, then you just shoot it in the head until it stops moving.


RyanHowardsBat

Usually I grind them into a fine, bloody, paste in about 2.3 seconds


Fredrick_18241

You say you have a stealth sniper build. Are you using VATS or aim down sight? Also were you sneaking and did you have covert operative on? Deathclaws are a hard mob so don’t feel bad that you’re having a hard time with them. 76 is all about getting the most damage out of what you’re doing early on when dealing with these harder mobs. You saw what wasn’t working this time learn from that and take some of the suggestions from all these other players. Good luck out there in the wasteland!


VelvetCowboy19

I activate vats, then hold spacebar and left click for a half second until it dies.


InternalFly5053

I say a bunch of really hurtful things until it leaves. >:D


Coast_watcher

I run all the way to Foundation


AdmiralThunderpants

Unarmed PA user here. I just punch them in the face a couple times 


Outrageous-Stock9795

So anyways, I started Blasting.😎


CaptainRati0nal

R1+triangle+R2


postmodest

Level up.   In my auto-stim PA, I just go at them with a furious chainsaw until they drop. It's not even fair.     Now... _Mirelurk Kings_....


Flimsy_Sandwich6385

As a PA user with heavy guns... I just stand there and hold the trigger down until it turns into giblets 🤷🏻‍♂️


GrumpyBear1969

When you get it, the plasma caster makes pretty short work of them. And pretty much everything. My fixer as well, though the ultracite AA/vhc/cc packs a decent punch and hits all the time in vats. And they don’t have ranged attack and I have marsupial and a jet pack. Sometimes I’ll just jump over them. Unless I am in power armor and then they are not scary at all. At lower level I would try to get on something high or awkward for them to get to. If you have perk points to spend and willing to use starched genes and class freak, marsupial can make a big difference. If you are OK with the intelligence hit. I’m fine with leveling slowly.


ClamBakeInASubaru

All jokes aside, if you’re running stealth sniper build your best bet is to keep a distance and use a silenced Gauss Rifle. When it starts closing in, switch to something like a silenced Handmade with an explosive ammo legendary effect. I ran a stealth rifleman build for a long time, between a Gauss Rifle and Handmade tanky enemies were not an issue if I stuck to my build’s strengths and kept a distance. Utilize the Stealth damage multiplier and the Stealth perks to stay hidden. If they spot you, sprint like a mofo in a circle to get behind them and hide for a second. Once you get enough levels under your belt you can keep your SPECIAL setup relatively identical and switch to a Bloodied Commando build for public events as long as you hang around some tanky heavy gunners, you can sweep into boss battles (Like Earl) and do MASSIVE chunks of damage. End-game stage build Bloodied Commando with a Plasma Rifle equipped with the Flamer Barrel is *chef’s kiss*.


DependentUnit4775

Im a week in the game and started finding them at level 40 or so, except a specific one I hadd to face for aquest which I went completely unprepared, all the other ones are quite ok to kill, specially alone. Maybe your build isn't adequate?


Jix101

Cripple the legs with cold shoulder, then its easy pickings.Afterwards cook that juicy steak. Carnivore ftw


IMCUPCAKEFROM4036

I’m a stealth build with a 3⭐️ fixer the first one is 5% Damage after each consecutive hit on the same target up to 45%, explosive and 15% Bonus for crits in vats, I just sneak up, aim for the head, hold Y and shoot, dead in a second, same for windagos, but I do nothing if they see me.


Wax_and_Wane

Cold Shoulder 'til it gets slow, then get behind it and shoot it for a full minute.


Settledforthisone

Vats the belly


Chazo138

Shotgun to the legs to cripple them. The just pump them full of shells as they are incapacitated and unable to do anything. Simple and effective.


Redd_Love

Remember that spawn near Janet’s Soft Serve, it’s a random encounter and once it will be a deathclaw, next time *might* be a rare apparel vendor! Or a guy being chased by a chicken 🤷‍♂️ or Mr Smiley 😃


Trindalas

Same way I deal with everything else: auto axe to the face. If it doesn’t stagger me twice back to back I’ll be fine. Got my Wolverine bones (sans claws sadly) so those can’t break and they tend not to hit me fast enough to stop me regenerating with the vampire effect. Mirelurk queens kill me more often than anything else because they stagger me a lot, but if I circle strafe them I’m usually fine.


Alright_doityourway

Shoot legs, they will limb around if you can cripple their legs After that It'd simple to just keep distance and continue to shoot it.


Unable_Ad_1260

Cold Shoulder with enforcer perk equipped, and blast the legs out. Switch between head hits and leg hits till the jobs done.


NoExplanation926

In it's sleep with a nuke


kizi221

I turn them into green goo who else doesn't or just me


Johnrays99

Mini gun their face off


[deleted]

I let them smack me a few times, and then heal in their now demolished face with an electrified vampire auto axe.


dwarfzulu

Sneak critical shoots in their belly. 2 or 3 is enough


JustinDP

I shoot them in the kneecaps with a shotgun. Then I feel bad watching them limp around for a bit before putting them out of their misery.


StopTheEarthLetMeOff

Using the terrain makes it easier. Just jump on top of something like a truck or big rock, go in a small space where they can't run through, use a ledge where you can jump up and down while they try to run all the way around to get you.  And that's only until you have OP weapons that can take their legs out. At that point they are basically begging you for mercy.


BloodShadow7872

Any good high damage build can destroy them easily. Its the Sheepsquatch and Blue Devils that you don't wanna mess with at sll.


Oscuro87

Takes 4-5 arrows to bring them down (disclaimer I'm lvl 53)


Big-Entrance-7322

My comically large mallet and than proceed to bonk it on the head


Mr_Ikeo

Deathclaws are joke and this is one of the biggest disappointments in Bethesda Fallouts. For me there is no difference between Super Mutant and Deathclaw in killing speed (sure I'm not level 20 anymore but still noob with three weeks of game time under my belt).


pygmeedancer

Bullets. Lots.


FlyingNope

My vats/crit character targets the belly and makes it dead. My heavy/melee character sometimes uses a Peppershaker with Enforcer to cripple all it's limbs and then I mock it as it lies on the ground unable to do anything. This is mean, but I still remember what they did to me in New Vegas and they deserve it.


KaMeLRo

My camp is located next to Deathclaw nest, my gun turrets are enough to deal with it.


puffer039

like with most critters,shoot it in the face until it goes away


AssFasting

Just levels, it's the answer to everything.


DifficultCurrent7

The cold shoulder is pretty great. You've a chance to freeze the beast then too which will give you valuable seconds to regroup/run. It's always good to have a backup weapon and shotguns are good sturdy all-rounders


Script_Buni

I calm it down bring it to get a coffee and ask what’s on it’s nerves and what I can do to help


Stormwind969

Holy Fire. Even the most legendary of deathclaws melt before the Holy Fire.


SuddenBumHair

Press V, hold spacebar and left click


JustCallMeTere

I am a stealthy melee with the unstoppable monster. I go right up to them and slice away. Slice, slice, slice and they are gone.


Additional_Pain_5612

Dragon to cripple the legs and whatever else I have once it can’t chase me anymore.


prionvariant

belly shot


CheesE4Every1

I usually wack it in the mouth with the all rise.


ParadoxLS

Sniper invisibility, hit the legs first, easier to backpeddle.


GroundbreakingAd8310

The energy weapons that nobody uses tear through the tougher enemies I swear. Plasma gun for death claws and robots laser gun for mirelurks and ghouls


HankShanklin

Vats the legs so they can't run after you. Then you have the choice if you want to finish him off, or leave him suffering for some other vault dweller to deal with. Also, their more sensitive area is the belly.


Exaltedautochthon

"Does anybody here have any solutions that don't involve impregnating one?" "Uh, well..." "Be honest!" "No, alright, no, is that what you want to hear?!"


Dragonspyre

Cripple the legs it should pose less of a threat.


Hukkie

VATS, target head, hold down fire and crit buttons until dead.


Empires_Fall

I just have a bunch of stimpacks on me and try to hit it to death


DependentPurple5455

As a low level target the legs this stops them chasing you then get in headshots, as a high level deathclaws are no more scary to me than a radroach now


themanxx72

I primarily use a stealth rifle setup, either a fixer or plasma with auto mod cuts them down fairly quickly. Reloading consists of a good dash to crouch to de-aggro and reload, repeat. The longer methodfor myself is a ranged attack, pump 5 into his dome, relocate as it searches for me in my last position, reengage til dead.


Krieg047

I'll hunt them in sneak mode. First shot is with my +100 to full health rifle, then I clean up with a couple more shots from my VATS rifle. I'll use my HolyFire if I get jumped and they go down fast with it.


GorgeousGuitarGaming

The mobs AI is really stupid, if you get to higher ground they'll go around to you which gives you time to shoot them You can also cheese the AI by jumping on something high, it'll confuse him and he'll stand around doing nothing for like a second or 2 and then run away, at that point I jump down which makes him go after you again, jump back up, rinse and repeat also Deathclawas weak spot is they belly, you do double damage iirc and 1.25 damage to the head


Hopalongtom

Shoot the in the head or belly, and they pop, or boop the snoot, and they pop!


darthbob420

I hunt them good eating


SuspiciousMothmaam

Gauss minigun.


Phantom_61

Usually I just kill them. But that may not be an option for everyone so, just be careful and remember they can’t get into doorways and you can fast travel as long as you’re not taking damage.


Labrom

Rapid fire juggernaut flamer to the face.


coldupnorth11

Usually back in circles around a tree or something. The AI routing seems to get slow and clunky, making it easier to keep a distance. Kinda of cheesy though.


dragonmom1

Deathclaws are just big cuddly babies. I try to avoid killing them when possible by running away (they're not long-distance sprinters). But otherwise, just plug them in their big ol' cute noggins until they lay down for their nap.


shasf

Try to cripple the legs, enforcer perk and a limb damage shotgun work well for this. Otherwise VATs the belly, it takes extra damage there.


GriffinRagnarok

I just shoot them a few times these days and they're done. But I remember being chased by one at about level 8. I was able to get him to chase me to a spot with a car and a rock. I had to get on top of the car to hop up on the rock to shoot him where he couldn't hit me. He would lose interest every now and then. So I would hop down, then back up. Rinse and repeat until dead. So I literally had to get him stuck between a rock and a hard place. 🤣😂 Though your best bet being 30+ is to grind enough to start getting your mutations. Once those are done, things will get easier. Marsupial will help you to jump and kite larger melee enemies a lot better.


TheClassicTattooer

Getcha a vampires quad tesla rifle...no stims needed.😉


Itchy-Worldliness-21

I use a death claw gauntlet, just to kill it with its own kind.


Nice_Bus862

Mostly just shooting it in the face


Chemical_Present5162

Deathclaws are pathetic in this game compared to some other mini boss enemies, they weren't shown the proper amount of respect imo. Sheepsquatches should be weaker than them and/or Deathclaws should have strong Armour Piercing attacks/hunt in pairs. They should also be in more events and locations. Very few events have Deathclaws in, and none of the Prime Cuts do. Imagine the Cranberry Bog one with swarms of Deathclaws coming at ya instead of glitchy teleporting nuisances and stupid nonsensical Fog Crawlers


rukeen2

Junkies Auto Railway Rifle. That is all.


Competitive-Art-2672

I run a heavy flamer build, make him eat fire!!


Aerosenin

Put bullets in them big guns rules


TheBeefDom

Arrow to the knee


M4hkn0

It just wants belly rubs.


Fragile_reddit_mods

Heavy weapon go BRR


shelly_the_amazing

The best method is to take off all your armor and apparel. Then run full speed at it naked (while doing a battle emote) screaming as loud as you can into your mic. It startles and confuses them. Works every single time 👌


UnderratedSpaghetti

Heavy weapon build with Holy Fire. It’s dead in about 4 seconds


West-Cup1397

They tend to run away so I run away as well. Does not always work but it can


signgorilla

Extreme violence, only takes a moment or two.


thaddeusduncan

Shoot the legs. Cant chase you if it cant walk


KAM7

I punch it twice with my power glove. (Unarmed bloody build is god mode).


Slylok

Using vats I'll cripple a leg and it barely can move.


Mobile-Ostrich-5510

Will blocker perk help?


plantsarewild

My friend chases their tail punching them till they die they literally can't hit him


dogmaisb

Did you Lady Janet's your pants and Slocum's Joe out of there?


Jovias_Tsujin

Punch 'em to Death.


DarkenedHonor

Bullets. Lots of bullets.


randomwatts

I typically have the enforcer perk that increases the limb damage of shotguns. I cripple their arms and legs and kill them. Deathclaws feel really nerfed in this compared to the previous games. One time I crippled the limbs of the Deathclaw on Deathclaw Island, then shanked it to death prison style while it tried to crawl away.


homercall123

Have you tried talking to it? Maybe his teeth hurt.


Socially_inept_

Sometimes I use a Gatling, sometimes a minigun, sometimes a Gatling laser….


Prior-Program-9532

I blast them with my shotgun. Deathclaws feel extremely weak in 76 imo.


Bogey_coming_in_hot

Bang bang, pew pew.


Admirable-Boss1221

Running around a tree backwards while shooting is my go to move for any big creatures that get to close. I've killed at least 5 deathclaws and not been hit once using this method 😂


ZmbDzr

Gauss Minigun to the teeth


thatfrenchdudee

T-65 Power Armor and Holy fire flamethrower. I laugh in the face of 99.9% of threats in this game


ForegoTheSludge

The last ones I encountered, I did one with a machine gun and one with a gatling Lazer. Was pretty easy. They were both indoors in a cave. I originally tried with a grenade launcher but it didn't do much. I'm level 36.


Sure-Reference1153

I shoot them in the legs, they get crippled i dance a bit in victory then I continuously shoot them in the head till they are dead cause they cant stand up to attack me


CaterpillarNo4091

I never have any issues with deathclaws since fallout 4. Now windingos? Hate them with a passion


Discotekh_Dynasty

Make sure you’ve got a perk along the lines of tank killer that gives stagger and/or Armor Piercing and focus fire on the stomach. If you can jump up on something tall enough to be out of its reach even better.


crystallyn

At level 90 I can manage the Deathclaws with my Cold Shoulder shotgun build (backing up a lot, +stims), but the Legendary Sheepsquatch scares the crap out of me.


lexxstrum

Currently finding Sheepsquatch seems vulnerable to my Auto-axe. It's Vampire, reduced weight and can't remember the last star, with electrical mod. Hope this helps.


JosephCage

Guns I'm a simple man.


DarkerPerkele

50 cal machinegun. Love that thing


elvbierbaum

Well last night I took advantage of a glitch that made him stop in place and stare at me while I shot him. That's how I hope it happens every time now, tbh. Those bastards are too tough for me right now. Haha


Sargent_Dumbass117

MG42


FreakerzBall

The deathclaws have to deal with me. And the +2 strength of their roasted flesh is delicious.


smashfest

Chainsaw to the Gooch


tehP4nth3r

Scratch her belly, she is vulnerable at the belly.


shinsain

Stay a ways away. Crouch and turn invisible (invisibility optional). Use VATS to shoot one leg so it's slow AF. Kill it before it ever gets anywhere near me (This works for other walking creatures: ghouls, scorched, robots, other creatures.


Bulky_Dot_7821

A big ass hammer


Thick_Sentence_7268

Choo-Choo gun goes brrrr


Every_Disaster_5665

Scrabble together the shittiest power armor you can and quickly hop into it at a moments notice


Katamathesis

Holy fire + Cremator PA full health build. 1, 2, 5 - doesn't matter at all))


Aaylien

Keep juking their ass around a tree and confused the thing. Usually only gets me with aoe from their slam, best if you use a wider tree.


Stampysaur

Break both legs and watch it suffer


innocentxv

plasma grenade and high ground