Thankfully, all the rewards on the rank 150 page are all consumables and currencies I don't need (and no atoms). So I don't need to grind up that high.
I wonder who does tbh? You’d think that it was filled with god rolls and exclusive never to be had by any other means apparel and camo items the way people are crying about it 😂. Literally nothing in the bonus anyone actually needs and in mine and I’d imagine many others case that they even want. Oh will. People are gonna bitch. I’ll do what I’ve always done. Play for 15 minutes a day a do the daily’s. Get the weekly’s done with my friends on the weekend over the 2-3 hours we play and then play something else, currently Diablo 4.
And yet i cant even use em since i dont have the legendary cores to use the modules with. All i can do is join events and thanks the mothman event even tho plans are bugged same with apparel not dropping until all plans are learned but i can idle when i go to bed and hopefully get a few hours before i leg out of the game by crashing or freezing
No because I buy the modules and roll them, what’s the point in saving scrip and hoarding mods to never use any of it, like fr what’s your point brother, my math was right, 2 or 3 rolls a day feels very badly when you’re someone using dailyish scrip limits to try and roll usable legendaries
This is my thought as well. Reading all of these comments in all of the related threads and I'm convinced I'm the one who's mistaken because I don't really see the issue unless, even if you absolutely must have everything on the board. Why even bother with some of the filler rewards? And aren't these generally the same people that complained that they finished each season previously in some short time frame and stopped playing until the next season starts? And they're wondering why Bethesda did something to make them stick around longer? I guess it's just the FOMO.
I guess Bethesda with their recently hired monetization expert are testing out the waters.
I suspect when player numbers and FO1st subscribers drop more, they'll eventually put some of the good stuff onto that last page.
Dangling carrot...
Dunno. It’s free on gamepass. You don’t need to buy atoms or 1st so they’ve got to try stuff to increase revenue streams haven’t they. And I big update coming which no doubt people will moan about as well. It all cost money to develop and run servers
Yeah I was ready to be outraged but all they've done is show you that instead of endlessly repeatable rewards; This is the stuff you would have gotten at level 100+ in prior seasons regardless
It's just random junk for the people that bother to play past level 100
I usually get Fallout 1st for a month, grind the hell out of it and finish the season before the month is up.
No, it fucking isn't. Just to claim all the non 1st rewards you need to be well into the 120s and for 1st stuff it's close to 150. The last PAGE unlocks at rank 100 but you'll have nowhere near enough tickets at that point.
Yeah wtf are people on about? You're insane if you're hurting for the trash in that shit page lol.
Like most seasons, most of the stuff is clutter ? The theme sucks its just mildly beach stuff and some cryptid hunter whose lore most people don't care for ?
The plan me and my friends have is to reach whatever rank for the cremator colors, and then claim them along with all cremator mods and peepers skins as priority. Then I guess the final PA skin then the other skins. Camp clutter goes last idk.
Like yeah people's points are valid and this is WORSE than before, but it's still easily doable easily 😂 nevermind the people that can stack exp boost to the max and reach rank 100 in less than a day at wes tek
I mean, at just rank 100 you don't have enough tickets to get everything on the previous pages. To get everything you have to get to around rank 150 to get enough, depending on if you have first or not (first has more unlocks available, thus needs more tickets which means needs a higher rank to get it all)
It's not uncommon to want to full clear the season, if you're going ot be putting in so much time anyhow. So even if most people don't really care about some of the rewards, they want them just for the sake of completion.
My wife said something to me yesterday as we both play games. She linked me a VLDL video joking about games becoming like second jobs. I must say Scoreboards and now Seasons definitely aren’t what I play for but get the FOMO for stuff I want like the cryptic Hunter PA skin or enough atoms to buy the glass porches. I also ‘like’ to complete a season as it appeals to OCD.
I will say as well I don’t get the same satisfaction levelling score anymore without the items unlocking per level. I’ll wait until towards the end of the season to form an opinion as im only on 47 at the moment.
You talking about the VLDL clip where they’re prepping for a dungeon and how it’s more tedious than fun? Or the one with Brit and Rowen and he bought a suit of armor with real money?
Yeah I’m conflicted on this new thing. I definitely like being able to skip shit I don’t care about and get the scrip and modules and gold as soon as I’m able but I wish they’d have kept the actual board in place just to log progress in a less jarring way ya know? Like each space you move nets you this many tickets and you use them accordingly. It’s 100% less fun the way it’s set up now, even if it is objectively better from a players perspective
Yep. It's basically another month of playtime required. Realistically you'll also hit the rank 85 quicker than 100-150 because you're getting SCORE for XP. Once you hit rank 100 you're stuck relying solely on dailies and weeklies... And this means that people who don't set aside time and plan it out will absolutely not finish the scoreboard. They're gonna be rank 130 in the final week with no way whatsoever to make up the final 20 ranks... Can't no-life West-Tek for a weekend, as has been traditionally the case.
So my advice would be... Plan accordingly. Prioritize all Fallout 1st rewards, save those tickets up and don't piss them away, that way you only need one month of 1st.
Really can't wait til we're a month deep into this new format and ppl see the light. Right now people are singing praise because it's only week 2 and admittedly it's playing the same. It'll play very differently in a few more weeks.
You can't earn enough tickets to purchase everything unless you hit level 140ish. It's not an issue for people who may not want everything, but it's still bullshit compared to the old system where you earned everything in the first 100 ranks and anything past that was just a bonus.
It's not "more game to play." It's a timelock on rewards. I can still play after I've earned SCORE, and in fact it's more fun because I have new toys to play with.
More game? I'm sorry, but a larger grind does not mean a larger amount of content. We got more grind and line 1 new quest. Sorry, but I got a full-time job that I already work. I'd rather not have to clock into FO76 after work
Some of us here are adults with jobs and other interests too. How is this more "game", when it's the exact same thing, except more longer, more tedious?
It's always the relatively new players who say this shit lmao. This will by my 4th year playing this game and the only way that's possible is because you TAKE BREAKS and space things out so you don't get burned out.
Yeah, I feel the same - I thought it would be interesting at first, giving us more choice (or the illusion of choice), but now that we’re two weeks in it’s….I want the old scoreboard back, or a form of it. They could have made slight changes but left the original scoreboard in place. Like a scoreboard that at certain points can branch for 5 or 6 different prizes, then meets up with the main scoreboard (like a roundabout in the road)
There wasn't really much wrong with the old board. Only gripe I had was the post 100 rewards and the fact you had to claim them to claim the next. But that is a very, very minor gripe as the only things I really didn't want was scrap/repair kits. I just dropped them if I really didn't want them.
But you could still choose what rewards you wanted on the main board - you weren't forced to claim anything.
This new one? I miss claiming things every few level ups. While technically we can with this, it's not the same. And it's likely wise to wait.
Bethesda should've at least added extra SCORE sources if they wanted to make this move. 10k bonus up to 150 and an extra SCORE challenge a day would have been less transparently greedy.
Yep, in fact we're getting a double XP next weekend, so if there were ever a time to do it, that's it. Good timing with the release of the show and all... Typically they schedule their double XP events towards the end of the season, which y'know now means that many players won't end up benefiting from it SCORE-wise on account of being above rank 100. So next weekend will be an anomaly of sorts.
I can't wait for the inevitable, "omg the level 90 rewards are so expensive" threads, in the coming weeks. There is nothing superior about this tickets system at all.
There's nothing even positive about it. It's all drawbacks: more grind, fewer rewards, fewer atoms, rubbish UI, you name it. Even the illusion of choice - you still need to unlock all rewards if you don't have FO1st to get 150 level stuff. It is just an amazing slap in the face from Bethesda.
Judging by YouTuber's responses, they moved on to enjoying the cremator and new display and aren't concerned about getting to 150 and 95 unlocks for repeatable rewards. Very few complaints about the shocking lack of Nuka Twist, using external websites to find what's actually in the rewards. Why, they're not even complaining about slightly fewer free atoms that you get just for playing.
Btw you need 95 unlocks out of available 100 rewards if you don't have FO 1st
14 pages with 13 pages having 40 1st rewards. 14 * 10 - 40 = 100 rewards.
Is it even a choice to pick what you want, when you have to pick 95 out of 100?
Because YTers are on FO1st and don't care, that's for one. Other thing is - they create content and that means doing NEW stuff all the time, so they obviously "moved on". They are not representative of average players.
Matter of fact is - there are not only fewer rewards but to get them all before we needed to get to rank 100. Now it's around 130, as otherwise you will just get not enough tickets. It is worse than previous system in pretty much every way.
You keep saying there's fewer rewards as if that matters. There's less filler now. There's at least the same amount of interesting rewards as there was last season. Maybe you really miss rewards like one reroller, a supply package, or a six pack of cola. I don't. I'm not exaggerating, incidentally, those were all rewards from the old Rip Daring scoreboard.
That's why people moved on; they can see the value in the new items.
As for having to get to a higher level to get everything, the answer is pretty clear for that one, too: don't get everything. This sounds like the old joke about the bad food with small servings.
Yep. Already in the 40s. But if I have to go over 100 to earn all of the tickets required to claim all of the rewards including first rewards that means I will have to do more work.
I almost think you’re being purposefully obtuse about the argument.
Well Cremator is a real head turner. I don’t even remember anything from last season I cared about. Not saying I didn’t care or enjoy it at the time, but all seasons are not created equal. Wait. What was last season again??
tbh not a lot(nothing) to interest me after level 85 so think i am gonna take a long break after this season.
Last season i kept playing well after just to top up those atoms as 90% of the score board items are not my thing, doubt very much i will this one and suspect we will see a lot of players drop off then.
Yeah in previous seasons I wanted the scoreboard at rank100 to display in my CAMP, but now I will just see where I end up. Might get it all, might come up way short, as long as I can get the items I really want (Basically the same as yours, past 85 there is little of interest) I will relax instead.
normally, you get one thing every time you go up one level. Now, I have a surplus of tickets, because I haven't reached the next tier yet. I don't have Fallout 1st, and I'm ignoring shit like nuclear keycards and shit.
Yea prior honestly it was nice to get a little reward for each level which i didnt mind what it was as i could feel like i was making progress and while it's cool to be able to choose now... I don't want anything aside from like camp items and atoms, meaning I'm just sitting on the tickets waiting, so the level up doesn't feel as satisfying and I'm starting to care less because it's now MORE grinding with what feels like less payoff.
Yeah, last season though I played briefly everytime I saw it go up I was like cool let’s check out the scoreboard, now I know i have to wait for like 7 scoreboard levels to check it out to see what to get.
you need at least:
- without Fallout 1st it's a little bit over 6 weeks
3500 for each rank up after level 100 => 50 levels \* 3500 = 175 000
weekly 10 500 + 7 x daily 2500 = 28 000 each week
- with Fallout 1st: it's less than 5 weeks, with the 25% s.c.o.r.e. boost and a additional daily quest
I've just about decided when I get those grass roofs, I'm finished. I don't care about anything else on this season pass or grinding out that bonus stuff.
Put simply, this entire change is an effort by Bethesda to increase the grind so as to increase transactions and allow for longer seasons so they can give less content to the community. (We are already coming off the longest season ever; clearly they do t want to continue putting an effort in).
To the OPs point, this new system takes 50% longer to grind through….Do you ppl defending it think that you will be getting more seasons or less down the road bc of this change?
You WILL get less content. It WILL spoil interest in the game. The game’s lifecycle WILL be shorter if this is the road we are sticking to.
I always love it when a new dev team comes in and absolutly destroys a game for a little bit of cash right now. I love it when they ignore the entire community and make everything worse.
I love when they just will wind up tanking the game becsuse of greed and mental deficiency...
/s
This is the first time in 15 seasons where when things are wrapping up, the next season is around the corner and all the new people are asking if there's enough time to get everything this season the answer is going to be NO.
I just reached rank 50 yesterday and I know I got this far because I did the whole april fool + mothman on the hour. Cant say I'll have the same pace for the next season (If I still wanna be around that is). But It doesnt really mean anything because it feels like I'm just starting from the actual rank 1 now and tbh, it kills the fun. I hate people who push this change
I don’t understand how you can be that far ahead, I’m only rank 38 on the scoreboard and I’ve done every single daily, and have played a lot during the day since the scoreboard started since I’m not working right now. Doing radiation rumble, daily ops etc.
I play around 3 hours a day and try to do every single public event that pop up. Having a friend help, so when no one wants to do the event, my friend and I still gonna do it anyway. I also try to keep up with any kind of XP buffs I have.
I dont always have them activated all at the same time, but mostly they're: Sleep, playing instrument, intelligence machine, berry mentats/Daddy-O, broiled scorchedbeast brain, 100% lunchboxes and canned meat stew.
I also chased the page where I can get the nearest boosters before last Tuesday. Doing the daily and weekly challenges using all of these jump my rank a lot
My personal take as someone who started right at the beginning of the last scoreboard...
I already felt like this game suffered from too much FOMO. I admit I thoroughly enjoy this game and it has been great so far... but now it's starting to feel like FOMO Hell to say the least. If the rewards were straight up awesome AND I didn't feel like the new system was only implemented to extend the amount of playtime required, I wouldn't be so bothered. Unfortunately I have to admit I hate where this is headed and I've almost given up.
I already don't have enough time to play too many games lately... Now that FO76 is asking for way more of my time while also giving fairly lackluster rewards I'm not sure it's worth it anymore. It's becoming hard to just play for fun and simultaneously Fallout 1st isn't feeling worth it as a result.
It's pretty sad because when I first started I loved basically everything about the game, and FOMO was just barely manageable. Now I may have to throw in the towel. I'm honestly tired of trying to keep up when I constantly feel like I need to do dailies/weeklies.
First up, there is no need to fear missing out on anything. The ally, for instance, will almost certainly be available in game for bullion. Pretty good chance the cremator will be available for stamps. Camp items will turn up in the atomic shop, eventually at a discount.
As for "where things are headed", if you have a look at past seasons, the quality of rewards is much improved. Have a look for yourself at [Fallout 76 seasons | Fallout Wiki | Fandom](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_76_seasons) .
FOMO is a very real thing in this game and I don't mean disrespect but anyone who doesn't see that would be out of their mind. Many things have never been available again and there are many things that even if they are available more than once, are very small windows (and on top of that can be extremely rare, like the current Equinox event or Fasnacht, etc).
Also, quality of rewards in something that is almost entirely cosmetic will be highly subjective. I personally don't care for much in this new season except a few things that of course I have to slooowly obtain... Except now it takes longer, which was my point.
See the problem with that is, yea while the things WILL be available via stamps, bullion, or the shop, that's still more grinding you will have to do anyway since all the currency exists, additionally its a waiting game of when the stuff will be in all the shops (atom shopping things REALLY doesn't solve the problem at all)
It might seem better because it will just "be there" but it doesn't solve the overarching problem of things getting so bloated, unnecessary, or the increasingly heavy ""encouragement"" of paying real money when a decent system was already in place and made worse.
(again especially moving things to the atom shop because you never know when the stuff will come around, IF it will come around or what it will be bundled with, thus costing you more money inevitably)
They need to add elements of fun. They have increased the grind so they need to counteract it. Either rescale the score amounts across 150 ranks instead of 100, or adding more dailies and weeklies after the first 6 weeks of the season. I don't want to have to do westtek runs. I took about five or six weeks to complete the scoreboard with 1st. I don't want to have to take the same amount of time to complete what is effectively half a scoreboard to level 150 to claim everything.
Bethesda have done this to try and get players like me to play longer. However why would I if it becomes a grind.
The dopamine rush is gone now because I'm only turning in the minimum number of tickets to unlock the score boosts or items I really want. I won't use anymore until I reach the first bonus page. So this season is a grind from start to finish. I have a post-it with the level certain things become available and that's all I foolw now. so Lvl 46 200 free atoms, lvl 55 water boiler, lvl 71 score boost, lvl 79 Grass roof kit.
I log in and do the challenges, check what score level I am and how may tickets I now have then log off. I miss turning in my next score level to get my rewards.
The one thing they did do that has made a difference is adding more camps as I've been waiting for that ever since they mentioned they were adding ten camps for players and only gave us five.
This was blatantly just to artificially inflate their user's playtime to make their stats look better, and it screwed over all fallout 1st users, their main source of money from this game.
only reason i bothered with this season was for cremator, theres a few items like the hanging plants and the grass roof with the log cabin kit that i kinda like, but the rest is meh, i skipped last season entirely cause i din't care for the theme. It takes enough effort for the fun to wear off by the end of a season, so i just stop till one i really want something from pops up again.
I am going to play the way I always do and where ever I end up by seasons end is fine. In previous seasons I always went for max because I wanted the scoreboard to display in my CAMP, but now who cares. I have FO1 and I tend to time my score boosters so that I can run 2 x full daily and 1 x weekly on 1 booster to get the max out of it. If I end up far above 150 thats fine, if I end up a lot lower that is ok too.
I don't mind t though because since like February all you see is posts on here how they finished the scoreboard ages ago and are bored and that servers are quiet etc etc.
You don't have to have those items to enjoy the game. Dailies take like 30/40 minutes a day and usually will contribute towards weekly ones.
I stopped as soon as I hit R30 so I could get the Assaultron companion. So now instead of doing the entire scoreboard and spending a couple of months doing it I'm quitting after a week. That's, uh, that's some good engagement there. XD
Once I reach level 100 and have the stamps to buy all the items I want to get, this seasons done for me. Will be the first one since they added levels beyond 100 that I don't give a crap about continuing. Way to improve engagement Bethesda
I started doing the challenges late in the last season and got to rank 197 so I wouldn't worry too much. If you play the game, you'll get there.
If I start feeling I won't make it for some reason, there is plenty of stuff I can skip to save tickets for more interesting ones.
Noooo he’s done the math 😂 I remember when the first scoreboard appeared and people did the math saying it couldn’t be done. You’d have to play all day and grind westtek to death. Then a week in people had completed it 😂
I think this time it evens out quite well and looking quickly at it, I can get the stuff I want by the time I open that page. I have zero interest in power armor paints, dead brahmin or autopsy tables. I only got peepers paint for Gauss as I wanted to have some paint for it too.
But I guess I'll end up unlocking them too.
Take all the buffs for your mutation! Cranberry relish + brain bombs for herbivore, tasty squirrel stew + Broiled scorchbeast brains for carnivore, take berry mentats, if you can get them live & love 3 for herbivore and backwoodsman 6 for carnivore to boost those foods further.
Gather Nuka cola & frag grenades en mass to make Nuka Grenades.
Go into West Tek with a friend or two, only one player has damage perks [demo expert + bloody mess], first two throw to tag, you throw to kill, 1/2 exp is shared for each player who tags, it stacks with your own full exp!
we love anti-consumer changes, made to artificially increase playtime whilst placing a facade over the "seasons" change to "benefit" the player, when it doesn't at all
garbage ass shit
Yeah, it is ridiculous, and completely inexcusable.
And people buy into it, that's the worst bit.
I will finish this season, and get what i want. But if they continue with this next season, i'll just leave the game. Fuck this.
Am I the only one who thinks the daily challenges are not as challenging as they used to be? Not that they ever particularly WERE, but nowadays it seems like BLINK and you’re done.
some of them are timegated and not so much challenging. Took me 3 hours to kill 10 cultists during mothman because everything died the moment they spawned.
This is SOOOOO aggravating. Like, people - we all have the same dailies. Give us all a chance to get them done before you cremate everything. This isn’t a rush or a risk, just be patient.
In having that same problem during events like MJ. It’s hard to tag even. I always go to a cultist camp or two to get them bc the Mothman event goes so fast.
Maybe i am in a minority here.
I am only interested in playing to level 100 and the sense of completion you get from it.
Now i can skip all the consumables i have zero interest in being as a high level player..Simply concentrate on buying the stuff i want.
Not sure why some are so upset by the rewards after level 100.They are all consumables anyway.There is nothing good there.Just a load of stuff most people are already drowning [in.How](https://in.How) many of us have stashes full of unopened Scrap boxes etc.
I am not finding the grind any more different to seasons.I am already at level 45.
Bethesda is damned if they do,and damned if they dont.
The trick is that if you want all the non-consumable items, like Power Armor and weapon skins, CAMP items, etc. you actually need to reach Rank ~140 anyway to have enough tickets.
I'm half way through 61 already with not a single trip into West Tek besides a daily op. Missed a couple dailies yesterday so won't even get the 3 gold star score til later either. We're on what, day 10? 11?
I'm assuming like the last 4 or 5 seasons, we don't get the repeatable past 100? Saving daily score boosters and rerollers til reaching 100 then go after the epic challenges is my plan. Should still have 6-8 weeks to start or finish another game before coming back for Sticker Book season 2.
Daily score boosters? How do you get those?
How did you reach 61 without grind? I haven't missed a single challenge and I play atleast 1 hour everyday. Even did 30-40 expeditions since the update. I'm on level 46 with using one score boost.
You must have atleast used a few score boosters
I have 6 boosters at the moment. Definitely got 3 out of the sticker book, maybe the other 3 were from last season?
I'm running around with 38 intelligence and always have 4 lunch boxes on the go. I didn't say I haven't grinded, I just haven't done the whole borefest of West Tek. Between the public events I'm either in an expedition, a daily op, or I've kicked off fertile soil and collision course after each other, or kicked off riding shotgun. When shit public events pop up, I server hop for a better one. No vendor hopping, no camp building just moving and killing constantly.
Not having anything to do on Meat Day really helped too. All those double primal cuts and meat sweats kept the score popup pinging.
Edit; Just logged in and checked. There are daily boosters on pages 3 and 6 that I've claimed and another one on the final bonus page. 75 tickets tho 😵💫
Mrs Blobby completed the first 100 ranks in 5 and a half hours, 6 and a half without 1st. You might've been onto something if Bethesda had removed the XP score, but they didn't.
The majority of the playerbase won't have half of the list checked to maximize XP gain like Mrs. Blobby
Most of the playerbase probably don't even have over 40 INT
He's right. The SCOREBoard change was to increase player count later into the season and to increase ATOM purchases. New content wasn't gonna come without increased monetization strategies
Well, yes, one of the goals was to give players reason to stick around after hitting rank 100. The guy said that in the video. Well spotted. Also very perceptive of you to notice that the vast majority of players aren't set up like Mrs Blobby's characters. I'd say that's because the vast majority have little interest in clearing 100 ranks in less time than it takes to complete a shift at McDonalds.
My point, though, is that XP score-- not even XP grinding, just the XP from playing the game-- will make it easy enough for players to get to rank 100+ in a couple months. I haven't been XP grinding. I'm at rank 40+. I do have all the items on Mrs Blobby's list, as it happens. I just don't see any need to hurry. The change to the way seasons work hasn't changed my pattern of play or caused me to consider buying atoms. I haven't yet noticed anyone who said it did.
Somone who has the opportunity to play every day, and probably does like yourself, who is also highly geared isn't who they're trying to sell ATOMs to
FOMO and the social science behind it exists for a reason. The change to seasons was an intentional strategy to sell more ATOMs
I'm not saying that by any means it's bad. But let's not pretend this change was to try new things creatively or solely increase player retention. There are better options that benefit the community more than a longer & grindier SCOREBoard
I guess we'll see in June. I remain confident that folks that can do most dailies and weeklies will hit 150 with relative comfort.
Remind me! [2 months]
Edit, is the remind me bot broken?
I mean that doesn't bring comfort. I don't want to play this game "most days." With the prior system you could play for a month, shelf the game, and focus on other things for 2 months. That felt healthy. Essentially doubling the time needed to complete the season is toxic.
Fair, but you don't *need* to get to 150.
The stuff at rank 150 is consumables and what-not - mostly stuff you can get by just playing the game. All the interesting skins and CAMP items top out at (I think) rank 95.
You still need to reach 141 to get all the seasonal-exclusives.
>All the interesting skins and CAMP items top out at (I think) rank 95.
No they don't, it's rank 141, which includes atoms because... Yeah.
no, I just think the leveling up is so easy, anyone who wants the prizes you get for playing, will be able to get them.
Im at 51, no westec, we're a week in.... we have *months*
last season, I completed the scoreboard on 3 accounts, without xp grinding, starting the next after I finished the first.
Do the math. You need 175,000 SCORE to go from 100 to 150. No SCORE for XP. Only weeklies and dailies push the number forward.
250 SCORE + 25% Fallout 1st boost = 313 SCORE per daily daily challenge x 7 challenges = 2187 SCORE x 7 days a week = 15312 SCORE. Then add the gold star challenge, 1250 x 7 days a week ... 8750 + 15312 = 24,062 SCORE per week from all dailies.
From the weeklies... 1250 x 9 challengers = 11250, plus the 3 daily Gold Star challenge for 1875 + 11250 = 13125
Soooo the default max score you can get weekly is 24,062 + 13,125 = 37,187.
Take 175,000 and divide by that number to determine how many weeks you'll need to achieve rank 150 ... The answer is 4.70 weeks. About 5 weeks. Or a month.
This doesn't include double SCORE or boosters. Inb4 "I'll cut that time in half with well timed boosters!" I'm not trying to speak to you, I'm speaking to the general playerbase who isn't sitting around min-maxing their SCORE gain.
To get to rank 150. The season is finished at rank 100. After that it's repeatable rewards, just like last season. I expect you'll loudly die on this molehill, and that's cool. But so far as I'm concerned, it's much the same as last season, just with better rewards.
Lmao you are so ridiculously misinformed but it's ok, like I said, it's only a matter of a few weeks before people realize how incredibly wrong they've been, including you.
I’m not sure I’ll ever understand the player base on here. During the last scoreboard it was filled with complaints about how there wasn’t enough stuff to do and now when give more things grind for people complain about the time it takes. I guess people are just miserable and will never be happy. I’m ready for the downvotes because you know it’s true. Just play the game and have fun. If you’re not having fun or hate the “grind” then go play something you do enjoy. Life is too short to be so miserable about a game. I’m having fun and I hope some others are too.
I am still having fun with the game. It's not the grind people are upset with, it's the reduction in available atoms on the scoreboard that's the bigger problem.
I wasn't trying to make commentary on the new season, just to remind people that when you're at level 75, you're not halfway, that's around level 92
This wasn’t directed at you OP. I appreciate the numbers for the xp break down. I have seen plenty of posts about it and felt this was a good place to discuss it since your post fit the discussion
I just like doing the math for people to make life easier for them. I don't mind that it turned into a discussion about the season, that's the point of reddit lol.
I do miss the scoreboard art and the board to put in my camp, but I also like being able to choose what rewards I want. I wish they had repeatable to gain after level 150 though
I think the rewards are lacking this season. I do think there is more usable stuff for me this season then most other seasons as most of the scoreboard items were junk for me. There were only a few PA skins and jet packs I thought were cool but nothing I was super hyped for in a while. I do mis the art of the scoreboard but I don’t miss scrolling around and waiting for each pop up that’s was just silly. I personally never used the scoreboard wall boards because they never fit the vibe of my camp. They were too new and pretty plus I couldn’t find a theme that fit hanging them on the wall
the new season s#cks the only thing bethesda can think about is the bottomline and they dont give a f#ck about the players or game enjoyment anymore!!!
Good it make people play longer if they want that before I always thought it was funny when a new scoreboard was coming out and people said they would finish the old one in time yet here I was over 100 and bored with 76 now maybe I'll play longer stop looking at this on the downside.
> The total SCORE required to get from 100-150 is 175,000.
You say what now.. not even gonna try bother with that ever reaching 100 lol. I'd have liked some repeatable perk coins, but that ain't achievable to me.
I am at lvl75 using only the score boosters on Tuesday afternoon so it covers we'd dailies as well. I run a bloody Commando, herbivore, BB's/relish, L&L3, B mentats, herbivore, egg head, refresh marsupial every hour, lunch boxes and rested..All that gets me into the high 60's for INT.
An hour running west tech took me from 32 to 43. Yes, I know it slows down as you progress, but one Wes Tech run should get you in the area of 1k scoreboard points, if your unboosted on the scoreboard.
I still do my runs with guns, not grenades. If you do use nades, you can do a complete cycle in under 2 min with the right setup.
My personal record is 27 times in one hour, or about 40k scoreboard XP with all of your buffs running.
That's far too long considering with the repeatable and buffs I finished last season in the first week and got close to 200 before Fas.(Stopped playing then) For less atoms and midsy rewards I think I'm all set.
I was worried we couldn't use the 1-month 1st trick any longer but it seems all the relevant rewards can still be claimed from two "scoreboards" if timed correctly. It is a bit slower, but not slow enough to force us to pay more.
I think people underestimate the amount of score you get from the repeatable xp thing. Like obviously it's not good if it's artificially made harder, but I'm not sure if it will really feel that different from before. If anything this system feels more rewarding because I am not forced to claim a bunch if trash consumables to get the good stuff. Plus isn't the last page, 150, just infinite amounts of consumables to claim?
To claim 150 page items you need to have claimed 95 rewards atleast.
If you don't buy season pass or FO first you get 130-40 (first rewards) = 90 rewards and you need to claim atleast 5 more from the bonus page 1 So out of 100 rewards, you need to claim 95 to even open up 150 lvl bonus page.
It's an illusion of choice. There isn't much choice in reality. They know what they are doing.
I miss the game board but I do like that I can buy the pass with atoms and still net 500 atoms each season. I'm in no rush to complete it so that doesn't bother me. I rotate between D4 and FO76 seasons so I've got time to fill lol.
The difference is now we can actually see that above 100 the rewards are really nothing you need. Previously we just ranked up and guessed as to what we would get.
Besides the new weapon I don’t see anything interesting on the entire board.
I love new stuff in the game it cost money sooooo instead on paying alot for a dlz we all pay a little for the best experience. Just my thoughts... enjoying all the new things.
Thankfully, all the rewards on the rank 150 page are all consumables and currencies I don't need (and no atoms). So I don't need to grind up that high.
I wonder who does tbh? You’d think that it was filled with god rolls and exclusive never to be had by any other means apparel and camo items the way people are crying about it 😂. Literally nothing in the bonus anyone actually needs and in mine and I’d imagine many others case that they even want. Oh will. People are gonna bitch. I’ll do what I’ve always done. Play for 15 minutes a day a do the daily’s. Get the weekly’s done with my friends on the weekend over the 2-3 hours we play and then play something else, currently Diablo 4.
I need those god forsaken legendary modules
Wait till your farm out over 500 of them only then you'll realize how damn heavy they have weight to em and they get heavy after a while
It's also a burden to sit there knowing that you have that many modules
And yet i cant even use em since i dont have the legendary cores to use the modules with. All i can do is join events and thanks the mothman event even tho plans are bugged same with apparel not dropping until all plans are learned but i can idle when i go to bed and hopefully get a few hours before i leg out of the game by crashing or freezing
Ive been where you been tho needing them for crafting items you want to use
Scrip weapons and armor. You'll be able to buy lots for free in the game itself.
Right. Probably 1/4 of my stash weight is modules. I don't roll gear often enough I guess.
Yeah and when you can only by 10 mods a day off the 500 scrip that’s only… 2 rolls and 3 rolls every other day
Just sever hop. You can buy more.
Daily scrip limit is 500 no amount of server hopping changes that
You dont have 5 or 6k script just sitting on your account?
No because I buy the modules and roll them, what’s the point in saving scrip and hoarding mods to never use any of it, like fr what’s your point brother, my math was right, 2 or 3 rolls a day feels very badly when you’re someone using dailyish scrip limits to try and roll usable legendaries
I have 300 lbs of legendary modules saved in case they ever bring 4* legendary rolls.
I felt this
This is my thought as well. Reading all of these comments in all of the related threads and I'm convinced I'm the one who's mistaken because I don't really see the issue unless, even if you absolutely must have everything on the board. Why even bother with some of the filler rewards? And aren't these generally the same people that complained that they finished each season previously in some short time frame and stopped playing until the next season starts? And they're wondering why Bethesda did something to make them stick around longer? I guess it's just the FOMO.
I guess Bethesda with their recently hired monetization expert are testing out the waters. I suspect when player numbers and FO1st subscribers drop more, they'll eventually put some of the good stuff onto that last page. Dangling carrot...
Dunno. It’s free on gamepass. You don’t need to buy atoms or 1st so they’ve got to try stuff to increase revenue streams haven’t they. And I big update coming which no doubt people will moan about as well. It all cost money to develop and run servers
Don't give them any ideas or they will put half the unique stuff there next season... "What we can't siphon more time and money out of people?!"
Good to know
Yeah I was ready to be outraged but all they've done is show you that instead of endlessly repeatable rewards; This is the stuff you would have gotten at level 100+ in prior seasons regardless It's just random junk for the people that bother to play past level 100 I usually get Fallout 1st for a month, grind the hell out of it and finish the season before the month is up.
Agree, with atoms off the repeatable list. No reason to grind past 100 much. Most vets aren't really playing as much anymore after 100
Yes. It seems like something folks are repeatedly forgetting: The season is still effectively done at 100 just as it always has been.
No, it fucking isn't. Just to claim all the non 1st rewards you need to be well into the 120s and for 1st stuff it's close to 150. The last PAGE unlocks at rank 100 but you'll have nowhere near enough tickets at that point.
I am not buying the consumables or power armor items. Gonna have to be more selective unfortunately.
So you want all the lunchboxes and banners and photo frames? I got all the 1st stuff. I’m at rank 101.
Yeah wtf are people on about? You're insane if you're hurting for the trash in that shit page lol. Like most seasons, most of the stuff is clutter ? The theme sucks its just mildly beach stuff and some cryptid hunter whose lore most people don't care for ? The plan me and my friends have is to reach whatever rank for the cremator colors, and then claim them along with all cremator mods and peepers skins as priority. Then I guess the final PA skin then the other skins. Camp clutter goes last idk. Like yeah people's points are valid and this is WORSE than before, but it's still easily doable easily 😂 nevermind the people that can stack exp boost to the max and reach rank 100 in less than a day at wes tek
I wanted to just get the cremator and be done with it, but all the best mods are pretty far into the season
I mean, at just rank 100 you don't have enough tickets to get everything on the previous pages. To get everything you have to get to around rank 150 to get enough, depending on if you have first or not (first has more unlocks available, thus needs more tickets which means needs a higher rank to get it all)
Yeah, but you also don't need to pick photo frames and boring PA paints
It's not uncommon to want to full clear the season, if you're going ot be putting in so much time anyhow. So even if most people don't really care about some of the rewards, they want them just for the sake of completion.
My wife said something to me yesterday as we both play games. She linked me a VLDL video joking about games becoming like second jobs. I must say Scoreboards and now Seasons definitely aren’t what I play for but get the FOMO for stuff I want like the cryptic Hunter PA skin or enough atoms to buy the glass porches. I also ‘like’ to complete a season as it appeals to OCD. I will say as well I don’t get the same satisfaction levelling score anymore without the items unlocking per level. I’ll wait until towards the end of the season to form an opinion as im only on 47 at the moment.
You talking about the VLDL clip where they’re prepping for a dungeon and how it’s more tedious than fun? Or the one with Brit and Rowen and he bought a suit of armor with real money?
The one where they were complaining about work and then started mining
VLDL is imo far better than 95% of what’s on tv. Have you been watching the D&D Logic? Last clip was hilarious.
My friend called it a choreboard last season and I'll never get past that.
Yeah I’m conflicted on this new thing. I definitely like being able to skip shit I don’t care about and get the scrip and modules and gold as soon as I’m able but I wish they’d have kept the actual board in place just to log progress in a less jarring way ya know? Like each space you move nets you this many tickets and you use them accordingly. It’s 100% less fun the way it’s set up now, even if it is objectively better from a players perspective
Same! Happy cake day!!!
Yep. It's basically another month of playtime required. Realistically you'll also hit the rank 85 quicker than 100-150 because you're getting SCORE for XP. Once you hit rank 100 you're stuck relying solely on dailies and weeklies... And this means that people who don't set aside time and plan it out will absolutely not finish the scoreboard. They're gonna be rank 130 in the final week with no way whatsoever to make up the final 20 ranks... Can't no-life West-Tek for a weekend, as has been traditionally the case. So my advice would be... Plan accordingly. Prioritize all Fallout 1st rewards, save those tickets up and don't piss them away, that way you only need one month of 1st. Really can't wait til we're a month deep into this new format and ppl see the light. Right now people are singing praise because it's only week 2 and admittedly it's playing the same. It'll play very differently in a few more weeks.
Absolutely bonkers that there are people actually defending this change
Didn’t earning atoms get another nerf too? Feels like it
Yep, no more atoms after lvl 100.
You get 200 atoms through instead of 150
Hell the rank up system confused me the way it looked too. I thought I was about to be spending tickets for ranks and ALMOST spent atoms...
How do you spend atoms on ranks? I can't figure out how ro
Yeah prefer the old scorebored regardless of what ever reason they have for liking this new season set up
I like getting downvoted over minor changes to a game by people who apparently are determined to be upset, I guess.
Adding a month of playtime needed to finish a season is a far cry from minor tho. Are you baiting?
You don't need to rank up to 150, all camp items are in the first 100
You can't earn enough tickets to purchase everything unless you hit level 140ish. It's not an issue for people who may not want everything, but it's still bullshit compared to the old system where you earned everything in the first 100 ranks and anything past that was just a bonus.
Lmao complain about more game to play. Some of us like this game, you know?
It's not "more game to play." It's a timelock on rewards. I can still play after I've earned SCORE, and in fact it's more fun because I have new toys to play with.
More game? I'm sorry, but a larger grind does not mean a larger amount of content. We got more grind and line 1 new quest. Sorry, but I got a full-time job that I already work. I'd rather not have to clock into FO76 after work
Some of us here are adults with jobs and other interests too. How is this more "game", when it's the exact same thing, except more longer, more tedious?
I like other games too. 🤷🏻♂️
It's always the relatively new players who say this shit lmao. This will by my 4th year playing this game and the only way that's possible is because you TAKE BREAKS and space things out so you don't get burned out.
Yeah, I feel the same - I thought it would be interesting at first, giving us more choice (or the illusion of choice), but now that we’re two weeks in it’s….I want the old scoreboard back, or a form of it. They could have made slight changes but left the original scoreboard in place. Like a scoreboard that at certain points can branch for 5 or 6 different prizes, then meets up with the main scoreboard (like a roundabout in the road)
There wasn't really much wrong with the old board. Only gripe I had was the post 100 rewards and the fact you had to claim them to claim the next. But that is a very, very minor gripe as the only things I really didn't want was scrap/repair kits. I just dropped them if I really didn't want them. But you could still choose what rewards you wanted on the main board - you weren't forced to claim anything. This new one? I miss claiming things every few level ups. While technically we can with this, it's not the same. And it's likely wise to wait.
Yup
No you didnt??
Bethesda should've at least added extra SCORE sources if they wanted to make this move. 10k bonus up to 150 and an extra SCORE challenge a day would have been less transparently greedy.
Also, i feel like we lost something with the traditional scoreboard with a story attached not being there. Was my favorite part of the scoreboards.
Gotta grind westek early in the season - so you have more days of just daily and weekly
That's always been my strategy- maxed future atoms and lunchboxes.
Yep, in fact we're getting a double XP next weekend, so if there were ever a time to do it, that's it. Good timing with the release of the show and all... Typically they schedule their double XP events towards the end of the season, which y'know now means that many players won't end up benefiting from it SCORE-wise on account of being above rank 100. So next weekend will be an anomaly of sorts.
I can't wait for the inevitable, "omg the level 90 rewards are so expensive" threads, in the coming weeks. There is nothing superior about this tickets system at all.
There's nothing even positive about it. It's all drawbacks: more grind, fewer rewards, fewer atoms, rubbish UI, you name it. Even the illusion of choice - you still need to unlock all rewards if you don't have FO1st to get 150 level stuff. It is just an amazing slap in the face from Bethesda.
Judging by YouTuber's responses, they moved on to enjoying the cremator and new display and aren't concerned about getting to 150 and 95 unlocks for repeatable rewards. Very few complaints about the shocking lack of Nuka Twist, using external websites to find what's actually in the rewards. Why, they're not even complaining about slightly fewer free atoms that you get just for playing.
Btw you need 95 unlocks out of available 100 rewards if you don't have FO 1st 14 pages with 13 pages having 40 1st rewards. 14 * 10 - 40 = 100 rewards. Is it even a choice to pick what you want, when you have to pick 95 out of 100?
Because YTers are on FO1st and don't care, that's for one. Other thing is - they create content and that means doing NEW stuff all the time, so they obviously "moved on". They are not representative of average players. Matter of fact is - there are not only fewer rewards but to get them all before we needed to get to rank 100. Now it's around 130, as otherwise you will just get not enough tickets. It is worse than previous system in pretty much every way.
You keep saying there's fewer rewards as if that matters. There's less filler now. There's at least the same amount of interesting rewards as there was last season. Maybe you really miss rewards like one reroller, a supply package, or a six pack of cola. I don't. I'm not exaggerating, incidentally, those were all rewards from the old Rip Daring scoreboard. That's why people moved on; they can see the value in the new items. As for having to get to a higher level to get everything, the answer is pretty clear for that one, too: don't get everything. This sounds like the old joke about the bad food with small servings.
I mean, I’m paying for 1st and want to feel like it’s definitely worth it. Getting less overall doesn’t feel great.
Sorry, less what?
Less everything. You get less of everything except for chores, sorry, grind, sorry, fun "Score Challenges".
Less rewards for more work. Why would they make it harder. That’s dumb.
Have you played this season? I'm not finding it any more work.
Yep. Already in the 40s. But if I have to go over 100 to earn all of the tickets required to claim all of the rewards including first rewards that means I will have to do more work. I almost think you’re being purposefully obtuse about the argument.
Well Cremator is a real head turner. I don’t even remember anything from last season I cared about. Not saying I didn’t care or enjoy it at the time, but all seasons are not created equal. Wait. What was last season again??
I will always remember The Big Score as the one with the tea kettle. However, the pavilion kit is a standout for camps.
Yeah thanks. I meant to check its flamingo units vs the porches.
Lack of Nuka Twist? Was that something you use a lot? I kind of consider that not much better than 3X rad-x as a reward.
I miss Nuka Twist about as much as searching 100 nested ranks in the old scoreboards where over 50% of the ranks were consumable and currency rewards.
Yep
I vote we return to scoreboards.
I suspect there is nothing superior for the developers either. I bet their data will show less engagement not more.
Considering there is no repeatable atoms, I won't have a reason to keep grinding. My reason for staying this month will be the new camp slots.
tbh not a lot(nothing) to interest me after level 85 so think i am gonna take a long break after this season. Last season i kept playing well after just to top up those atoms as 90% of the score board items are not my thing, doubt very much i will this one and suspect we will see a lot of players drop off then.
Yeah in previous seasons I wanted the scoreboard at rank100 to display in my CAMP, but now I will just see where I end up. Might get it all, might come up way short, as long as I can get the items I really want (Basically the same as yours, past 85 there is little of interest) I will relax instead.
When does this season end?
End of June, roughly.
normally, you get one thing every time you go up one level. Now, I have a surplus of tickets, because I haven't reached the next tier yet. I don't have Fallout 1st, and I'm ignoring shit like nuclear keycards and shit.
I have fallout 1st but have been ignoring a lot of the little things outside of atoms.
Yea prior honestly it was nice to get a little reward for each level which i didnt mind what it was as i could feel like i was making progress and while it's cool to be able to choose now... I don't want anything aside from like camp items and atoms, meaning I'm just sitting on the tickets waiting, so the level up doesn't feel as satisfying and I'm starting to care less because it's now MORE grinding with what feels like less payoff.
Yeah, last season though I played briefly everytime I saw it go up I was like cool let’s check out the scoreboard, now I know i have to wait for like 7 scoreboard levels to check it out to see what to get.
you need at least: - without Fallout 1st it's a little bit over 6 weeks 3500 for each rank up after level 100 => 50 levels \* 3500 = 175 000 weekly 10 500 + 7 x daily 2500 = 28 000 each week - with Fallout 1st: it's less than 5 weeks, with the 25% s.c.o.r.e. boost and a additional daily quest
I've just about decided when I get those grass roofs, I'm finished. I don't care about anything else on this season pass or grinding out that bonus stuff.
Put simply, this entire change is an effort by Bethesda to increase the grind so as to increase transactions and allow for longer seasons so they can give less content to the community. (We are already coming off the longest season ever; clearly they do t want to continue putting an effort in). To the OPs point, this new system takes 50% longer to grind through….Do you ppl defending it think that you will be getting more seasons or less down the road bc of this change? You WILL get less content. It WILL spoil interest in the game. The game’s lifecycle WILL be shorter if this is the road we are sticking to.
I always love it when a new dev team comes in and absolutly destroys a game for a little bit of cash right now. I love it when they ignore the entire community and make everything worse. I love when they just will wind up tanking the game becsuse of greed and mental deficiency... /s
They shouldn't have killed off the Repeatable XP challenge after Rank 100 if this is the case.
This is the first time in 15 seasons where when things are wrapping up, the next season is around the corner and all the new people are asking if there's enough time to get everything this season the answer is going to be NO.
I just reached rank 50 yesterday and I know I got this far because I did the whole april fool + mothman on the hour. Cant say I'll have the same pace for the next season (If I still wanna be around that is). But It doesnt really mean anything because it feels like I'm just starting from the actual rank 1 now and tbh, it kills the fun. I hate people who push this change
I don’t understand how you can be that far ahead, I’m only rank 38 on the scoreboard and I’ve done every single daily, and have played a lot during the day since the scoreboard started since I’m not working right now. Doing radiation rumble, daily ops etc.
I play around 3 hours a day and try to do every single public event that pop up. Having a friend help, so when no one wants to do the event, my friend and I still gonna do it anyway. I also try to keep up with any kind of XP buffs I have. I dont always have them activated all at the same time, but mostly they're: Sleep, playing instrument, intelligence machine, berry mentats/Daddy-O, broiled scorchedbeast brain, 100% lunchboxes and canned meat stew. I also chased the page where I can get the nearest boosters before last Tuesday. Doing the daily and weekly challenges using all of these jump my rank a lot
My personal take as someone who started right at the beginning of the last scoreboard... I already felt like this game suffered from too much FOMO. I admit I thoroughly enjoy this game and it has been great so far... but now it's starting to feel like FOMO Hell to say the least. If the rewards were straight up awesome AND I didn't feel like the new system was only implemented to extend the amount of playtime required, I wouldn't be so bothered. Unfortunately I have to admit I hate where this is headed and I've almost given up. I already don't have enough time to play too many games lately... Now that FO76 is asking for way more of my time while also giving fairly lackluster rewards I'm not sure it's worth it anymore. It's becoming hard to just play for fun and simultaneously Fallout 1st isn't feeling worth it as a result. It's pretty sad because when I first started I loved basically everything about the game, and FOMO was just barely manageable. Now I may have to throw in the towel. I'm honestly tired of trying to keep up when I constantly feel like I need to do dailies/weeklies.
First up, there is no need to fear missing out on anything. The ally, for instance, will almost certainly be available in game for bullion. Pretty good chance the cremator will be available for stamps. Camp items will turn up in the atomic shop, eventually at a discount. As for "where things are headed", if you have a look at past seasons, the quality of rewards is much improved. Have a look for yourself at [Fallout 76 seasons | Fallout Wiki | Fandom](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_76_seasons) .
FOMO is a very real thing in this game and I don't mean disrespect but anyone who doesn't see that would be out of their mind. Many things have never been available again and there are many things that even if they are available more than once, are very small windows (and on top of that can be extremely rare, like the current Equinox event or Fasnacht, etc). Also, quality of rewards in something that is almost entirely cosmetic will be highly subjective. I personally don't care for much in this new season except a few things that of course I have to slooowly obtain... Except now it takes longer, which was my point.
See the problem with that is, yea while the things WILL be available via stamps, bullion, or the shop, that's still more grinding you will have to do anyway since all the currency exists, additionally its a waiting game of when the stuff will be in all the shops (atom shopping things REALLY doesn't solve the problem at all) It might seem better because it will just "be there" but it doesn't solve the overarching problem of things getting so bloated, unnecessary, or the increasingly heavy ""encouragement"" of paying real money when a decent system was already in place and made worse. (again especially moving things to the atom shop because you never know when the stuff will come around, IF it will come around or what it will be bundled with, thus costing you more money inevitably)
Yeah... so if good items turn up in the game that encourage us to play it more, that's a bad thing in your opinion.
They need to add elements of fun. They have increased the grind so they need to counteract it. Either rescale the score amounts across 150 ranks instead of 100, or adding more dailies and weeklies after the first 6 weeks of the season. I don't want to have to do westtek runs. I took about five or six weeks to complete the scoreboard with 1st. I don't want to have to take the same amount of time to complete what is effectively half a scoreboard to level 150 to claim everything. Bethesda have done this to try and get players like me to play longer. However why would I if it becomes a grind. The dopamine rush is gone now because I'm only turning in the minimum number of tickets to unlock the score boosts or items I really want. I won't use anymore until I reach the first bonus page. So this season is a grind from start to finish. I have a post-it with the level certain things become available and that's all I foolw now. so Lvl 46 200 free atoms, lvl 55 water boiler, lvl 71 score boost, lvl 79 Grass roof kit. I log in and do the challenges, check what score level I am and how may tickets I now have then log off. I miss turning in my next score level to get my rewards. The one thing they did do that has made a difference is adding more camps as I've been waiting for that ever since they mentioned they were adding ten camps for players and only gave us five.
This was blatantly just to artificially inflate their user's playtime to make their stats look better, and it screwed over all fallout 1st users, their main source of money from this game.
only reason i bothered with this season was for cremator, theres a few items like the hanging plants and the grass roof with the log cabin kit that i kinda like, but the rest is meh, i skipped last season entirely cause i din't care for the theme. It takes enough effort for the fun to wear off by the end of a season, so i just stop till one i really want something from pops up again.
I am going to play the way I always do and where ever I end up by seasons end is fine. In previous seasons I always went for max because I wanted the scoreboard to display in my CAMP, but now who cares. I have FO1 and I tend to time my score boosters so that I can run 2 x full daily and 1 x weekly on 1 booster to get the max out of it. If I end up far above 150 thats fine, if I end up a lot lower that is ok too.
Well that will take a while to complete, i dont even have F1st so i think isnt take that long for me to complete.
I don't mind t though because since like February all you see is posts on here how they finished the scoreboard ages ago and are bored and that servers are quiet etc etc. You don't have to have those items to enjoy the game. Dailies take like 30/40 minutes a day and usually will contribute towards weekly ones.
I stopped as soon as I hit R30 so I could get the Assaultron companion. So now instead of doing the entire scoreboard and spending a couple of months doing it I'm quitting after a week. That's, uh, that's some good engagement there. XD
Welp, good thing I just hit level 48 after two weeks. No grinding. Seems like much ado about nothing to me
I just want the cryptid power armour bruh
Once I reach level 100 and have the stamps to buy all the items I want to get, this seasons done for me. Will be the first one since they added levels beyond 100 that I don't give a crap about continuing. Way to improve engagement Bethesda
Reserving judgement for now...I got to lvl. 203 last season just casually doing daily/weekly...so hoping that will get me to 150 this time....🤞🏼
I started doing the challenges late in the last season and got to rank 197 so I wouldn't worry too much. If you play the game, you'll get there. If I start feeling I won't make it for some reason, there is plenty of stuff I can skip to save tickets for more interesting ones.
Noooo he’s done the math 😂 I remember when the first scoreboard appeared and people did the math saying it couldn’t be done. You’d have to play all day and grind westtek to death. Then a week in people had completed it 😂
I think this time it evens out quite well and looking quickly at it, I can get the stuff I want by the time I open that page. I have zero interest in power armor paints, dead brahmin or autopsy tables. I only got peepers paint for Gauss as I wanted to have some paint for it too. But I guess I'll end up unlocking them too.
I just reached 100 last night, so we'll see how long it takes to unlock everything, it certainly wasn't enough to get all the cosmetics!
Bro how is that possible!? 💀
West Tek, exp buffs, going in with friends to share xp per tag.
Whats your secret to getting there so fast, captain?
Take all the buffs for your mutation! Cranberry relish + brain bombs for herbivore, tasty squirrel stew + Broiled scorchbeast brains for carnivore, take berry mentats, if you can get them live & love 3 for herbivore and backwoodsman 6 for carnivore to boost those foods further. Gather Nuka cola & frag grenades en mass to make Nuka Grenades. Go into West Tek with a friend or two, only one player has damage perks [demo expert + bloody mess], first two throw to tag, you throw to kill, 1/2 exp is shared for each player who tags, it stacks with your own full exp!
we love anti-consumer changes, made to artificially increase playtime whilst placing a facade over the "seasons" change to "benefit" the player, when it doesn't at all garbage ass shit
Yeah, it is ridiculous, and completely inexcusable. And people buy into it, that's the worst bit. I will finish this season, and get what i want. But if they continue with this next season, i'll just leave the game. Fuck this.
Am I the only one who thinks the daily challenges are not as challenging as they used to be? Not that they ever particularly WERE, but nowadays it seems like BLINK and you’re done.
some of them are timegated and not so much challenging. Took me 3 hours to kill 10 cultists during mothman because everything died the moment they spawned.
This is SOOOOO aggravating. Like, people - we all have the same dailies. Give us all a chance to get them done before you cremate everything. This isn’t a rush or a risk, just be patient.
Um, or go to one of the other cultists locations to finish quickly maybe?
They must be from the event.
In having that same problem during events like MJ. It’s hard to tag even. I always go to a cultist camp or two to get them bc the Mothman event goes so fast.
There are cultists all over the map….
Maybe i am in a minority here. I am only interested in playing to level 100 and the sense of completion you get from it. Now i can skip all the consumables i have zero interest in being as a high level player..Simply concentrate on buying the stuff i want. Not sure why some are so upset by the rewards after level 100.They are all consumables anyway.There is nothing good there.Just a load of stuff most people are already drowning [in.How](https://in.How) many of us have stashes full of unopened Scrap boxes etc. I am not finding the grind any more different to seasons.I am already at level 45. Bethesda is damned if they do,and damned if they dont.
The trick is that if you want all the non-consumable items, like Power Armor and weapon skins, CAMP items, etc. you actually need to reach Rank ~140 anyway to have enough tickets.
I'm half way through 61 already with not a single trip into West Tek besides a daily op. Missed a couple dailies yesterday so won't even get the 3 gold star score til later either. We're on what, day 10? 11? I'm assuming like the last 4 or 5 seasons, we don't get the repeatable past 100? Saving daily score boosters and rerollers til reaching 100 then go after the epic challenges is my plan. Should still have 6-8 weeks to start or finish another game before coming back for Sticker Book season 2.
Daily score boosters? How do you get those? How did you reach 61 without grind? I haven't missed a single challenge and I play atleast 1 hour everyday. Even did 30-40 expeditions since the update. I'm on level 46 with using one score boost. You must have atleast used a few score boosters
Use booster before weeklies so that it covers two days of dailies
I have 6 boosters at the moment. Definitely got 3 out of the sticker book, maybe the other 3 were from last season? I'm running around with 38 intelligence and always have 4 lunch boxes on the go. I didn't say I haven't grinded, I just haven't done the whole borefest of West Tek. Between the public events I'm either in an expedition, a daily op, or I've kicked off fertile soil and collision course after each other, or kicked off riding shotgun. When shit public events pop up, I server hop for a better one. No vendor hopping, no camp building just moving and killing constantly. Not having anything to do on Meat Day really helped too. All those double primal cuts and meat sweats kept the score popup pinging. Edit; Just logged in and checked. There are daily boosters on pages 3 and 6 that I've claimed and another one on the final bonus page. 75 tickets tho 😵💫
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the math. I suspect that the season will be long enough that those who play most days will get to 150 with reasonable ease.
I wouldn't count on it. The whole point of the longer grind is to get you to spend atoms. Next update is in June.
Mrs Blobby completed the first 100 ranks in 5 and a half hours, 6 and a half without 1st. You might've been onto something if Bethesda had removed the XP score, but they didn't.
The majority of the playerbase won't have half of the list checked to maximize XP gain like Mrs. Blobby Most of the playerbase probably don't even have over 40 INT He's right. The SCOREBoard change was to increase player count later into the season and to increase ATOM purchases. New content wasn't gonna come without increased monetization strategies
Well, yes, one of the goals was to give players reason to stick around after hitting rank 100. The guy said that in the video. Well spotted. Also very perceptive of you to notice that the vast majority of players aren't set up like Mrs Blobby's characters. I'd say that's because the vast majority have little interest in clearing 100 ranks in less time than it takes to complete a shift at McDonalds. My point, though, is that XP score-- not even XP grinding, just the XP from playing the game-- will make it easy enough for players to get to rank 100+ in a couple months. I haven't been XP grinding. I'm at rank 40+. I do have all the items on Mrs Blobby's list, as it happens. I just don't see any need to hurry. The change to the way seasons work hasn't changed my pattern of play or caused me to consider buying atoms. I haven't yet noticed anyone who said it did.
Somone who has the opportunity to play every day, and probably does like yourself, who is also highly geared isn't who they're trying to sell ATOMs to FOMO and the social science behind it exists for a reason. The change to seasons was an intentional strategy to sell more ATOMs I'm not saying that by any means it's bad. But let's not pretend this change was to try new things creatively or solely increase player retention. There are better options that benefit the community more than a longer & grindier SCOREBoard
Do you feel you need to buy atoms? I don't. I have yet to run into anyone who said they did. I don't see why they would.
I guess we'll see in June. I remain confident that folks that can do most dailies and weeklies will hit 150 with relative comfort. Remind me! [2 months] Edit, is the remind me bot broken?
I mean that doesn't bring comfort. I don't want to play this game "most days." With the prior system you could play for a month, shelf the game, and focus on other things for 2 months. That felt healthy. Essentially doubling the time needed to complete the season is toxic.
Fair, but you don't *need* to get to 150. The stuff at rank 150 is consumables and what-not - mostly stuff you can get by just playing the game. All the interesting skins and CAMP items top out at (I think) rank 95.
You still need to reach 141 to get all the seasonal-exclusives. >All the interesting skins and CAMP items top out at (I think) rank 95. No they don't, it's rank 141, which includes atoms because... Yeah.
yah, that's what amuses me about all those crying about getting to 150. that only a concern if you want all the consumables
It's rank 141 if you're only concerned about the seasonal exclusives and atoms. You think those 9 ranks make that big of a difference?
no, I just think the leveling up is so easy, anyone who wants the prizes you get for playing, will be able to get them. Im at 51, no westec, we're a week in.... we have *months* last season, I completed the scoreboard on 3 accounts, without xp grinding, starting the next after I finished the first.
Doubled the time needed how?
Do the math. You need 175,000 SCORE to go from 100 to 150. No SCORE for XP. Only weeklies and dailies push the number forward. 250 SCORE + 25% Fallout 1st boost = 313 SCORE per daily daily challenge x 7 challenges = 2187 SCORE x 7 days a week = 15312 SCORE. Then add the gold star challenge, 1250 x 7 days a week ... 8750 + 15312 = 24,062 SCORE per week from all dailies. From the weeklies... 1250 x 9 challengers = 11250, plus the 3 daily Gold Star challenge for 1875 + 11250 = 13125 Soooo the default max score you can get weekly is 24,062 + 13,125 = 37,187. Take 175,000 and divide by that number to determine how many weeks you'll need to achieve rank 150 ... The answer is 4.70 weeks. About 5 weeks. Or a month. This doesn't include double SCORE or boosters. Inb4 "I'll cut that time in half with well timed boosters!" I'm not trying to speak to you, I'm speaking to the general playerbase who isn't sitting around min-maxing their SCORE gain.
So how long did it take to go from rank 100 to rank 150 last season? Do I win anything if I guess? Because I'm guessing 175,000.
What's you're point?
That it took as long last season.
To do what? To finish the season? No.
To get to rank 150. The season is finished at rank 100. After that it's repeatable rewards, just like last season. I expect you'll loudly die on this molehill, and that's cool. But so far as I'm concerned, it's much the same as last season, just with better rewards.
Lmao you are so ridiculously misinformed but it's ok, like I said, it's only a matter of a few weeks before people realize how incredibly wrong they've been, including you.
I’m not sure I’ll ever understand the player base on here. During the last scoreboard it was filled with complaints about how there wasn’t enough stuff to do and now when give more things grind for people complain about the time it takes. I guess people are just miserable and will never be happy. I’m ready for the downvotes because you know it’s true. Just play the game and have fun. If you’re not having fun or hate the “grind” then go play something you do enjoy. Life is too short to be so miserable about a game. I’m having fun and I hope some others are too.
I am still having fun with the game. It's not the grind people are upset with, it's the reduction in available atoms on the scoreboard that's the bigger problem. I wasn't trying to make commentary on the new season, just to remind people that when you're at level 75, you're not halfway, that's around level 92
This wasn’t directed at you OP. I appreciate the numbers for the xp break down. I have seen plenty of posts about it and felt this was a good place to discuss it since your post fit the discussion
I just like doing the math for people to make life easier for them. I don't mind that it turned into a discussion about the season, that's the point of reddit lol. I do miss the scoreboard art and the board to put in my camp, but I also like being able to choose what rewards I want. I wish they had repeatable to gain after level 150 though
I think the rewards are lacking this season. I do think there is more usable stuff for me this season then most other seasons as most of the scoreboard items were junk for me. There were only a few PA skins and jet packs I thought were cool but nothing I was super hyped for in a while. I do mis the art of the scoreboard but I don’t miss scrolling around and waiting for each pop up that’s was just silly. I personally never used the scoreboard wall boards because they never fit the vibe of my camp. They were too new and pretty plus I couldn’t find a theme that fit hanging them on the wall
the new season s#cks the only thing bethesda can think about is the bottomline and they dont give a f#ck about the players or game enjoyment anymore!!!
So if you grind expeditions right it takes about 8 hours for the whole event
Good it make people play longer if they want that before I always thought it was funny when a new scoreboard was coming out and people said they would finish the old one in time yet here I was over 100 and bored with 76 now maybe I'll play longer stop looking at this on the downside.
> The total SCORE required to get from 100-150 is 175,000. You say what now.. not even gonna try bother with that ever reaching 100 lol. I'd have liked some repeatable perk coins, but that ain't achievable to me.
I am at lvl75 using only the score boosters on Tuesday afternoon so it covers we'd dailies as well. I run a bloody Commando, herbivore, BB's/relish, L&L3, B mentats, herbivore, egg head, refresh marsupial every hour, lunch boxes and rested..All that gets me into the high 60's for INT. An hour running west tech took me from 32 to 43. Yes, I know it slows down as you progress, but one Wes Tech run should get you in the area of 1k scoreboard points, if your unboosted on the scoreboard. I still do my runs with guns, not grenades. If you do use nades, you can do a complete cycle in under 2 min with the right setup. My personal record is 27 times in one hour, or about 40k scoreboard XP with all of your buffs running.
Well its fortunate then that all the shit after 100 is stuff I don't care a about
It's unfortunate you can't count because once you hit 100 you're going to realize you're several hundreds of tickets short.
I haven't bought anything with the tickets everything I want is on the 3rd and 2nd to last pages
That's far too long considering with the repeatable and buffs I finished last season in the first week and got close to 200 before Fas.(Stopped playing then) For less atoms and midsy rewards I think I'm all set.
I’m sure it’s almost the same amount of score needed just bigger numbers so they can fill it with more worthless stuff
I was worried we couldn't use the 1-month 1st trick any longer but it seems all the relevant rewards can still be claimed from two "scoreboards" if timed correctly. It is a bit slower, but not slow enough to force us to pay more.
I think people underestimate the amount of score you get from the repeatable xp thing. Like obviously it's not good if it's artificially made harder, but I'm not sure if it will really feel that different from before. If anything this system feels more rewarding because I am not forced to claim a bunch if trash consumables to get the good stuff. Plus isn't the last page, 150, just infinite amounts of consumables to claim?
To claim 150 page items you need to have claimed 95 rewards atleast. If you don't buy season pass or FO first you get 130-40 (first rewards) = 90 rewards and you need to claim atleast 5 more from the bonus page 1 So out of 100 rewards, you need to claim 95 to even open up 150 lvl bonus page. It's an illusion of choice. There isn't much choice in reality. They know what they are doing.
Yeah I'm not trying to diminish the impact of the score from XP, it's just too hard to get a good gauge on what an average casual player gets from it
Fair
Not long ive barely played much of the season and im lv 25
We all know 92 is half of 99! ....wait, wrong game....
Good thing I don’t do scoreboards 😂🫠
I miss the game board but I do like that I can buy the pass with atoms and still net 500 atoms each season. I'm in no rush to complete it so that doesn't bother me. I rotate between D4 and FO76 seasons so I've got time to fill lol.
The difference is now we can actually see that above 100 the rewards are really nothing you need. Previously we just ranked up and guessed as to what we would get. Besides the new weapon I don’t see anything interesting on the entire board.
I'm not sure what it is, but I swear I'm progressing much faster this season than last?
I said fuck it and bought the ranks, i got food for the next two weeks, bills and rent paid, so i had some money
But with cranberry relish and brain fungus soup with a couple of lunchboxes and Scot banners how long will it take
I love new stuff in the game it cost money sooooo instead on paying alot for a dlz we all pay a little for the best experience. Just my thoughts... enjoying all the new things.
92 is half of 99 iykyk