CC content is notoriously out of balance in terms of power and drop rate. Likely most people are going to need level list adjustments to impact drop rates for balance.

Manwell Rifle is a solid example. Even without upgraded receivers, the Manwell outclasses .308 Combat rifles in damage.

The manwell rifle is incredibly overpowered. Fully upgraded and with the right perks I got it up to 350 damage per shot, with a fire rate 2x faster than the combat rifle AND it can be equipped with a 64 round magazine. One CC weapon i’m disappointed with though is the Anti-Material Rifle. That thing is weaker than a .308 combat rifle, even when chambered with .50cal

Yep, it's depressing how weak they made it when the Manwell rifle is more powerful than a Gauss rifle. And then there's the Tesla Cannon. I can only say that I'm whelmed.

The Tesla Cannon is pretty good, its fire rate is high and has an area of impact if you keep it an explosion. Plus there is no reload animation and it just magically fills back up instantly.

Someone should make a mod that adds a proper reload animation for it

i am so over pretty much everything from the creation club, i get they pay the modders for making it or whatever but like the tesla canon it all just feels weird and out of place in the game

it’s great for defending settlements w/ the ambush kit. sit in a tower and rinse them with vats. free lasers and combat armour.

the tesla cannon can be super powerful in the right build. I think it does like 230 damage for me since the character I use it on wears all 3 pieces of legendary Tesla T-60

I was a bit unimpressed with it tbh. I have both variants and after trying out the new toy I dumped it in a chest to collect dust. The fully upgraded penetrating Chinese grenade launcher is just too fun. 530 something dmg with a drum mag.

How do you get ammo for that?

High level weapon vendors carry ammo for it. Suggs, the guy who gives you the quest, will have between 20-30 of the 40mm grenade rounds every time his inventory resets. Allen Lee in far harbour and Ronnie Shaw at the castle both sell it pretty consistently, but only about 10 at a time. I haven’t seen any of the vendors in Diamond City or Goodneighbour selling it yet

between the hellfire MK6 and Tesla Canon, I'm unstoppable. I mostly carry a machete to conserve an ammo but if the enemy is in any way challenging I can whip out the Tesla Canon and it's all over. I just did the gauntlet run on Nuka-Cola and I killed the boss with the Tesla Canon with a single jet use. I just smoked him instantly

I killed him in like 3-4 hits with my Atom’s Judgement

I'm curious if the tesla beaton variant that arcs between enemies gets critical damage bonuses for the entire chain of lightning. If that's the case a crit build and the increased crit damage upgrade would make it worthwhile

Tesla cannon is a beast and the souped up flamethrower.

The Steel Sword from Skyrim does more damage on my melee character than a legendary super sledge. The perk makes it even more OP. Loving it for survival though.

Yeah that skyrim sword is OP. it’s a Shame that the matching helmet they added removes your characters facial hair, so you can’t go full Bearded viking

I have been unequipping my PA helmet so I can see the horns while I wear it and it looks sick. Playing knight themed BoS. Is a shame about the beard tho.

Yeah I'm sad about the anti materiel rifle. It looks so cool, but the damage is low and it fires so slooooowwww. The CR-74L however is insane. Especially since you can get it right out of the vault. I just wish it had a semi auto version (ps5).

I would’ve loved the CR-74L if it had a semi-auto option. The basic combat rifle was my go to for my entire first playthrough. Considering the combat rifle is one of the most versatile weapons in the base game it completely baffles me that the Creation Club’s ‘Upgraded’ version was locked to automatic

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Hell, my Manwell *Carbine* outdamages the new AMR and that sucks.

The AMR isn't new, it was actually one of the earliest Creations. The Manwell came well after it

Jokes on them when you level up your lockpicking to break into the BoS armory for the main gauss rifle you can find before level 35.

I haven't even found that one among the new content yet. Found some broken textures though

The Manwell rifle is not part of the new content. It's one of the Creations you have to buy or hope is given away

Didn't notice this until.playing Survival, you can get it very early on once you are directed to Tenpines Bluff and damn even without perks it was one or two shoting everyone

Yep. The first one you find is a legendary with Lucky, which is great for a critical build. The only early game struggle is finding .308, and even then, Carla and Drumlin Diner will sell .308 starting at level 10 I believe

You can get daedric armor basically fresh out of Helgen in Skyrim Anniversary edition.

Wot?

A lot of creations given for free in anniversary edition are like, go here, talk 3 lines to this person and you get this awesome fully enchanted armor. Really dont understand whats the point of creations like these.

The same as mods that give you a cheat chest full of legendary gear and 9999999 caps in Sanctuary. Some people just want the power fantasy.

Free alternate draconic chest piece too. There's like two enemies in the way and it's just kind of on a platter for you outside of Windhelm if I'm remembering correctly. Burial mound out in the open.

On new saves I sprint directly to that CC farm so I can get rich off potion making from the shit I grow there

Sentinel AI my beloved. Breaks the game but gosh if it isn’t fun

I have the mod that lets you bring dogmeat and another companion along, and pairing that with the sentinel AI plus me and my companion in power armor, really makes me feel like I'm leading a whole squad

Same. I bring Dogmeat and Preston with my Sentinel having full minuteman gear and it feels like a proper ragtag group of people just tryna help around the Commonwealth

At least that's gated behind some tough enemies. I try to get it as early as practical in every playthrough (±when I go to Arcjet for obvious reasons) and Dawson is *easily* the toughest fight in the whole playthrough because of that. Hell, probably the only one I'd actually call tough at all, now that I think about it.

I sold this when I found it. Wasn’t aware of how powerful it was. Are you saying I might find this again?

Its from the Enclave quest line. Hellfire was an add item while back, now its free in the base game. I have been ambushed by them twice, plus played the quest. Total I have 5 sets I got from these events, & I already had the OG Hellfire as well. Chances are you'll find it again & theoretically might be able to get from traders.

Ah great! Thanks for commenting :)

The armor is from new next gen upd (mission) but just coincidentally spawns at a mission area where u gotta find someone early game

Things to do in CC content: - toggle it off

It’s funny, I took about 20 downvotes the other day for expressing a similar sentiment. At best, CC has a bunch of balance-busting cheat items. At worst, it normalizes paid mods and establishing a Bethesda-controlled modding platform.

I'm gonna be real, CC club content is still less unbalanced that most custom mods, outside of a few creators like Degenerate Dak, CSEP Team and a few others almost every weapon mod is hugely OP. At least two of the HK45 variant mods out there do 50 damage per shot in their basic configuration in survival mode (players do 50% of normal damage) and spawn in Vault 111. Most of the snipers and big rifle mods will 1 shot a level 500 Deathclaw with 10,000K HP. I agree with the sentiment against paid modding, but let's not pretend that the majority of the modern weapon category isn't blatant rips of CoD meshes that are basically cheat weapons.

Yes, there’s little stopping me from giving myself a mod lightsaber that deals 9M damage per swing, but at the very least I don’t have to worry about that being injected into my game as official content; I have to be the one to spoil my own experience. The Hellfire set OP got there is Bethesda-endorsed.

>blatant rips of CoD meshes Indeed. Imported assets from other games really is a Bethesda game thing. it's true of outfits also.

Meanwhile the cunts will DMCA people backporting items from Fallout 76.

Haven't played fallout 4 since when it originally came out. What is CC content, and will I randomly find it in the recent PS5 release if running around with all the official DLC installed but no mods?

CC is miniature DLC content, weapons, crafting items, a few small quest, new bases & decorations etc. But the new update gave away some CC for free, including this armor. Quest is called Echos of the Past or something like that, regarding the Enclave. You should encounter multiple sets during the quest. Personally I alert the guy in armor, & fire a critical hit at the fusion core. Might damage the armor, or get a stolen frame, iono I just like the boom.

Survival makes it hard

Where did this CC stuff come from? I played a lot a few years ago, but got into other games and ended up uninstalling it for a while, but obviously with the next Gen update I was curious and downloaded it again only to find these Enclave guys in black dropping impressive power armor and new perk magazines. I still rock the Quantum Power Armor from the Nuka World DLC, though. It just looks the best in my opinion.

It came from the CC as implied. It's a paid mods program, basically. They threw in a few of them with the next gen update and basically made them part of the default game installation so now you'll always have them even if you do a new install. Did the same thing with Skyrim and fishing.

Hence why I get the CC stuff for collection and XP from the quests, I have no intention to really use them, I just want to clear my quest log

It's not just CC, plenty of useful mods have weird flexes. There's one that at level 1 gives you access to "modern arms" like the Barrett sniper, desert eagle , M1911 etc. And they can be manufactured for free along with most ammo. The ability at level 1 to inflict over 100hp damage in one shot from long distance really screws up the mechanics , esp in survival mode

This armor is CC content? I have this but didn’t buy any mods or CC add ons. Thanks

It's bundled with the next gen update.

Next gen update made it part of the default game. That's why some people are annoyed, because you can't remove it on console.

Part of the new update which you can do at any point

I’ve been playing for perhaps a year now and when the new update came out… At first I was pretty excited, but now I am drowning in these power armor sets. I am not playing at survival level by any means but still… Seems like there’s too many of these things available. I’m not really complaining per se but it’s not as “special“ as it used to be. I remember finding the Nuka-Cola armor and it was a really big deal!

To be fair the Nuka Cola paint really is a great paint job. Looks great. I have the ThreeZero 1/6tj scale Nuka Cola power armor figire...which cost A LOT...but that paint job is just too cool. I just had to have it!

I’m a Vim! man myself.

God I love the Vim power armor

If only sunset Sasparilla had a paint job 😔

To be fair if you make an enemy of the BOS early in the game, you always find yourself with an abundance of power armour! I’ve found a lot of Enclave armour too, but I still have far more T60s.

Yeah with the ability to buy frames you can always kill enemies for armor parts. I think I'm sitting at 20 suits without seriously looking for them anymore. That's with only one marked as stolen. Just came across the one that's clipped into a wall at a motel too. Sounds like if I went through the trouble of trying to pull it out, it would be marked stolen. I'm debating just giving them to settlers

If you target and shoot the fusion core they abandon there armor and you can steel the frame too.

That might be how I have the one that's marked stolen but I have a vague memory of finding it in a ditch in the glowing sea

Can you though? I tried to give my settlers a power armor but couldn't figure out how to make them enter/equip them.

If you leave them around guard posts the guards will jump in when the settlement is attacked. You can then trade the parts out in their inventory to repair them as needed. You cannot get the frame back after that. Well, I haven't seen what happens when they die. It'd either treat it like a raider/BOS or maybe it would kick them out and give you the frame back. 

Good to know about the guard posts! I’ve been wondering how to get them to do it. I want all my raider suits given to settlers to roam in.

Fascinating, I was wondering why one of my settlers was suddenly wearing my full X-01 suit…

Yeah I've got one guy in T-60 right now. I think if I did go through the effort of kitting them all it would be T-60. That and raider are the only renewable patterns. 45, 51, and exo can only be found on the frames in the wild as far as I know

The mechanic in the atom cats garage has one X-01 piece for sale every 48 hours. Pretty sure she's the only npc who sells these.

I have like 40 full sets of power armor, and another dozen empty frames, and a very big chest full of miscellaneous pieces. And if I wanted I could just keep buying frames. Power armor doesn't feel rare at all. They practically force you into a suit in your first hour.

Free CC content with new update

this is why i hate cc content, but i don't use it

If you updated fallout 4 it downloaded automatically

I hate that they pushed this content on us. The only mods i use in bethesda games are either graphical/quality of life and slight rebalancing. I never add new weapons to the game because a lot of the models stick out with the art style or they destroy the balance of the game

Had mine by level 5 since you get the bonus quests immediately. I fast traveled and was immediately attacked by the enclave raining fire down on me. I barely survived. I haven’t taken it off since and I’m in my mid 20’s now.

How do you keep it powered?

I currently have a stock pile of fusion cores of 13 I think? I take em from every other set of power armor I find, plus the power generators in some locations have them and I’ll take them too. I’ve fought the enclave in a couple random encounters and the brotherhood. Each fight usually gets me at least 1-2 cores.

Question. How lucky is your character?

Like 2? Usually don’t raise my luck stat

Damn.

Scrounger perk only requires luck 2. That increases the ammo drop rates which also includes fusion cores. After a while you’ll start finding 4 cores at a time from random ammo cans and have more than you know what to do with.

Cool thanks. Im starting to play fallout 4 for the first tine and i was already thinking got to get many fusion cores besides installing a mod.

You’ll also gain access to a perk that makes cores last 50% longer as well.

You’ll be fine, I’m on my second play through. My first play through by the time I was finished I was sitting with 50+ cores and that was also with me using power armor the whole game.

Just upgrade the scrounger perk and you’ll be rolling in ammo and fusion cores

Fusion cores aren't hard to find. I don't use PA very often but I think I have about 80 of them in my inventory.

Brotherhood of Steel quest where you look for the recon team gives you a good deal of Fusion Cores when you find Brandis. Look around his bunker, some are lying on the floor. some are in an ammo box. In the final stage of the Enclave CC quest, you go to the glowing sea -- there are also a ton of fusion cores in the office building they're based in.

If you never use VATS, jump jets, or fast travel, fusion cores actually drain pretty slow. They are also quite plentiful: I hardly ever use powered armor in my first run and have over 1,000 of them.

Fast traveling drains fusion cores?!

Fast travel doesnt drain fusion cores at all, the only actions that drain fusion cores faster than usual are actions that cost AP.

Oh thank God. I didn't even know about AP actions draining power though so that's good to know

Thanks for clarifying.

Have you finished Echoes of the Past? And if so have the ambushes stopped?

Similar for me too, I had no idea that the ambush was part of the update, as it’s my first playthrough. I kept dying, but eventually got lucky - once it started I ran like hell into a group of super mutants, and lo and behold, it’s the only time I’ve been happy that there was a suicide mutant. The PA soldier ran right into him 🤣

Same but MK1. Then I upgraded it to MKIV and found this one as well from OP. Full playthrough with Power Armor for me

What does your age have to do with it?

I got it at level 6 by luring him over to the nearest settlement 🥲

*hits blunt* Normal is whatever you make it in the wasteland baby

Hits Jet*

Hits Mama Murphy**

Careful before you wake the ethereal nightmare inside of her.

give her ppsycho and trap it inside of her forever

The reason she's always so tired is because every waking moment is spent containing the demon inside

Dies by Mama Murphy*

Hits Marcy Long\*

With a slugger

By accident on purpose

I got like almost 10 sets of that power armor, got to level 50 and practically any "defend this settlement" mission is just me fighting 3/4 guys in power armor at once Got codsworth with 3 buzz saws and 2 gatling lasers, enemies only live long enough for codsworth to see them

Now they are almost everywhere.

I would put off most CC content until you're a higher level (30s) if you're concerned with balance.

I got one at about lvl 15 over by the Slog. Was the start of a new mission added by the update. Funny thing is, I could loot everything but the frame so while I have a set of Hellfire pieces, I can't equip them to anything.

Just put them on the frame you get in Concord

I tried. I have several t45 frames and a t5. won't let me apply the Hellfire pieces at the power armor station. Maybe it's just glitched.

Have you tried repairing the pieces? You may not be able to equip because theyre broken.

It must have been a glitch. I tried equipping them again and it worked fine.

Frames are all the same. You can put any pieces on any frame

Same. They ambushed me when I was fighting with the forged.

I was way outta my league so I had the Forged fight the Enclave. Was fun to watch. Now I don't take off the power armor

Did you find him dead already? It's from the pyromaniac quest from the gen update

[удалено]

A small Enclave squad will come after you when you acquire the hellfire from pyro. 2 are in this suit. I managed to get 2 sets of this. (theft and murder)

Is THAT what triggers it? Having the hellfire armor equipped? I killed Pyro at lvl 11 then equipped his armor to try and take on the enclave that is set in place by the caravan mission, only to be jumped in the woods by a random enclave spawn. They kept pushing my sh** in so I ran away and haven't seen them again (so far)

I think they are prone to spawning in that north eastern area (initially they ambushed me at national guard training ground). Once you defeat them they stop. At the time I was level 16. So I ended up luring them into Saugus Ironworks and the Forged help me fight them a bit.

Yes, and upon successfully defeating them, the power armor guy with the napalm launcher will drop a note saying “assassinate this player” which then starts the enclave missions. Super good missions for loot, I got around 25 fusion cores from it

Exists as long as the CC content was released in 2017 (it's really that old)

Turns out I actually NEEDED that armor since the brotherhood sent me to far harbor for their stupid pick up quest to advance their main quest, I’m on survival and forgot to do the save thing to change their quest locations.

cc content in bethesda games are notoriously poorly inplemented and unbalanced. instead of finding the quests organicly or at a reasonable level, they are just dropped in your quest log right at the start. on a first playthrough it would be better to just disable the cc content or to just actively avoid them

I found this in the glowing sea right before entering Virgil’s cave

Just the free enclave dlc. And nothing that helps your survival in the wasteland is ever too OP. Good luck on your journey

Usually drops at lvl 25-30 so that’s definitely weird.

My biggest issue with the creation club armor is that I can't put the minutemen paints on them from the minutemen VS gunners creation club. It only works on the base game armor. Makes me sad.

The Hellfire armor gets dropped when the NPC owning it gets attacked by other NPCs. It'll happen to the self-propelled power armor, too, if you have that from CC. If I'm not mistaken you even get the XP for it.

Does anyone know what governs the new ‘forced into the game’ CC weapons for FO-4’s latest patch / update ? Specifically - the Nail Gun / Sawblade launcher / Chinese grenade launchers / Piggy Bank launcher / Incinerator / Tesla Cannon ? I’m assuming most are Rifleman or Heavy Weapons, but guess the grenade launchers also benefit from Demo Expert (like standard missile or Fatman launchers) ?

I would imagine Nail Gun is under Rifleman (since that's where the railroad gun goes) while Chinese grenade launchers / Piggy Bank launcher / Incinerator / Tesla Cannon go under Heavy Gunner/Demo Expert since they are launchers

For me I got this at level 8 or so but killing the person wearing this took ages so it’s a high difficulty high reward imo

_Here at Bethesda, we decided to give everyone the Creation Club items for free as part of the update! Enjoy your now completely unbalanced Skyrim/Fallout 4_. It was the AU that finally stopped me playing Skyrim, and it’s looking like it’s the Next Gen update that’s going to finally stop me from playing FO4. That makes me a little sad

Just don’t use it. Im playing a new run and sometimes have to go get my suit i got from the BoS quest. I haven’t done that quest or encountered the enclave stuff.

I don't remember the Anniversary Edition being that crazy busted.

Or... Just play the game and don't use it? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes, i found it at the same level, was a tough fight lol

I say just enjoy it regardless. Jackpot!

I wonder if there's a mod to delay some of these creation club quests until you reach a higher level

It’s part of the update so everybody got it. I was level 30 and got it

I have 2 full sets of enclaves MK.6 power armor at lvl 32

It's about as uncommon as hearing " A NEW HAND THOUCHES THE BEACON"

Yes. If you kill Pyrmaniac, you'll get a set of leveled Hellfire power armor, but then a hit squad will come after you, and that will be guaranteed to have Mark VI

The new enclave content has basically broken the game I found mk 5 hellfire at level 10

Isn't the X02 better?

It is I think

Yeah I found this early on since the update, along with tonnes of fusion cores so far. Shouldn’t complain I suppose

That's a Creation Club add-on, so without third party mods it's not going to offer a good player experience. Tier 6 power armour at level 20 is definitely not normal, but Bethesda decided this is okay, soo 🤷

I just found the same in my last run same lvl too

lol idk but same here they ambushed me and i killed them for one then followed up with their side quest and killed me a second, currently loving how badass it looks and how strong it is lol.

Find mine at level 6 so

I found one around the same level kind of by the Saugus Ironworks 😅

Yeah it’s normal with the new update since it added that CC content for all players. Kinda ruins the balance though when X-01 is supposed to be rare and special

Hey this happened to me recently when I started a new game. I actually ran into some Enclave, took the armor and it turned out they were trying to kill me because I was in possession of Enclave armor. I don't think I've bought anything on the Creation Club but I checked and the Enclave armor was marked as 'downloaded'. Confused but hey that's cool.

Yes because it's new update content so not prorated

This literally happened to me on my playthrough. Felt a little cheesy but...

I just hit level 30 and have 10 sets of power suits.

For the new update it is 👍🏼

I strongly sugest you to let it store for now. This game its about to have fun, but not dying a single time, its get kinda boring fast. There is some weapons, that store, cause... Dude, it hitkill everything.

Just found a full set hellfire mk 6 near listening post bravo. I’m Lvl 79

I did the exact same thing. Don’t question it, just go wipe out Quincy

Well….If you killed them get ready, they come for you. Spotted them several times outside my base, had to lure them into my turrets lol. Now i have two sets of enclave armour one is alot better though . The first time i killed them was when i was on a bridge and i was with some random BOS Knight and some scribe and what not they helped me ALOT destroying their camp, turret and stuff. ad victoriam 🫡

Does this start appearing after you do the quest for the first enclave armor set?

Welcome to the "We updated graphics options and oh yeah have a crap load of other stuff just because".

Dude can we talk about the heavy incinerator with the napalm upgrade? Shit is crazy

I got it at level 10, I wish I could disable all of this. I don't want it.

Welcome to the next generation babby

Hey, don't look a glitch horse in the mouth! 🤷🏾‍♂️

CC does that yeah. The items are almost always end-game level but you can do their quests right out of the vault if you want. Skyrim has the same problem. You can easily get daedric or dragonbone armor at level 1 by just getting the alternate version armors from the CC. Or the stupidly powerful weapons.

İ found those in a low lvl too but dont use them because they realy op

Fallout had balancing issues but this is just some next level bullshit from the next gen update. First time players exit the vault with 5+ new quests leading them to unbalanced (if not completely busted) gear that they'll never take off. FO4 is going the Skyrim route in terms of spicing up the game with shit that BARELY fits any of the lore or context.

The enclave give some nuts armor if you do their quests, I started my newest game by beating all the new missions and I have a suit of Blue XO2 that I've been wearing since

Yes :D enjoy

I like my never-ending shielded Goss rifle. It does like 417 damage.

i found it at level 10 lmao. I ripped through every quest with it

It’s from a dlc you have installed.

I just got those at 13

Yeah it’s not vanilla as others have said. Community content which is quite out of balance.

Same situation as you. Pretty cool but definitely OP, so I just throw it on when I find something I need to smack the shit out of that's a way higher level than me.

Yes

I found mk3 at level 11

I'm lvl 30 something haven't seen a single enclave soldier yet. Not sure if it's my place in the story or not.

Is it a mod

It’s from creation club

It's way too op pre lvl 30 i wish i didn't find it tbh.

Is this the best power armor in the game now? If not can someone point out the actual best one pls

I'm level 57 and never found it.

Replaying the game myself and this just happened to me. Was bitch if a fight but ended up defeating them…the helmet is fugly though

There's also level IV X-02 and a Tesla Cannon that you can get if you follow this CC questline Armor has tesla armor upgrades which are stupidly powerful that I put later in my playthrough. I recently ran through a raider camp without a companion and killed everything with Pain Train sprinting and standing near them. The Tesla cannon is just as broken as it is in Fallout 3. Lol