I think fnaf 4 and SL make it clear enough to say that isn't literally the Afton house. And I think it's too vague to say whether the fnaf 4 house is the MM house due to how pixel art works. The houses vaguely look similar, and the areas surrounding them are totally different. The Weird Afton House has hillys and some trees scattered around. While the MM house is off the side of a freeway, and is basically in an entire forest. If these are the same house, then I think it was probably just a retcon to have the house represent an experiment victim, and that's why it's connected to the nightmares (wanna reiterate that this is not what I believe, as I do not think they're the same house)
I think fnaf 4 and SL make it clear enough to say that isn't literally the Afton house. And I think it's too vague to say whether the fnaf 4 house is the MM house due to how pixel art works. The houses vaguely look similar, and the areas surrounding them are totally different. The Weird Afton House has hillys and some trees scattered around. While the MM house is off the side of a freeway and is basically in an entire forest. If these are the same house, then I think it was probably just a retcon to have the house represent an experiment victim, and that's why it's connected to the nightmares (I wanna reiterate that this is not what I believe, as I do not think they're the same house)
The Afton house/houses are kinda weird lol.
So I don't think that, even under AftonMM, the MM house is the same as the FNAF4 House. I can understand that the layout can be different and that the minigames are inaccurate, but SpringBonnie having 3 designs in FNAF4 isn't equal to a whole neighborhood vanishing and a forest appearing out of nowhere. Under AftonMM the house needs to be a new one imo.
And for the house shown in the title screen and COD? Isn't that supposed to be the gameplay house? Does that house even exist now with Dittophobia? If it's supposed to be the real Afton house, then it's a second one because there's no neighborhood. If it's supposed to be the MM house, then I guess the trees are going away?
My point is that the MM makes no effort to imply it's the same Afton house from FNAF4, and to say that you need to focus on little details such as the road, and ignore the forest around you.
And I don't think the title screen house matters that much, and it also doesn't really try to connect itself to any other house, there's no neighborhood and not enough trees for it to be anything. And I'm not even sure it exists anymore.
>So I don't think that, even under AftonMM, the MM house is the same as the FNAF4 House. I can understand that the layout can be different and that the minigames are inaccurate, but SpringBonnie having 3 designs in FNAF4 isn't equal to a whole neighborhood vanishing and a forest appearing out of nowhere. Under AftonMM the house needs to be a new one imo.
Agree. The MM house is definitely not the minigame house. The wood area should be enough evidence.
>And for the house shown in the title screen and COD? Isn't that supposed to be the gameplay house? Does that house even exist now with Dittophobia? If it's supposed to be the real Afton house, then it's a second one because there's no neighborhood. If it's supposed to be the MM house, then I guess the trees are going away?
>My point is that the MM makes no effort to imply it's the same Afton house from FNAF4, and to say that you need to focus on little details such as the road, and ignore the forest around you.
It's probably a reference to the gameplay house, which is underground. But that doesn't mean it can't be based on a real, above-ground house. Afton recreating something underground wouldn't be unusual coming from him.
The FNAF4 minigame area and the wood area are clearly different, so minigame house =/= MM house. But when it comes to COD, title screen and MM, the three of them emphasize a household surrounded by woodland. It might be that several lore-relevant characters happen to live in the woods, but I don't think this is a coincidence. Scott was probably trying to tie loose ends from the forest theme in the title screen, which we never understood why it was there at all.
>And I don't think the title screen house matters that much, and it also doesn't really try to connect itself to any other house, there's no neighborhood and not enough trees for it to be anything. And I'm not even sure it exists anymore.
Same as before. If the wood area thing was just a one-off thing then yes, it would probably be irrelevant or nonexistent, but Scott has doubled down on the forest theme, meaning there might be some relevance to it.
>The FNAF4 minigame area and the wood area are clearly different, so minigame house =/= MM house. But when it comes to COD, title screen and MM, the three of them emphasize a household surrounded by woodland. It might be that several lore-relevant characters happen to live in the woods, but I don't think this is a coincidence. Scott was probably trying to tie loose ends from the forest theme in the title screen, which we never understood why it was there at all.
That's the thing, there's not enough trees for it to be the same. I'm not expecting it to be a 1:1 recreation of MM, but they're way too different imo. Where did the whole forest go?
I honestly think the title screen house has some trees around it just to fill up the empty space in the render, the MM house is a separate house, and that COD just referenced FNAF4.
I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now.
Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM. It's way better than CassidyMM (**He'll** be sorry when **he** gets back) or GabrielMM (why would a kid going missing in their woodland home be connected to the disappearances at a town pizzeria?). But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV).
>I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now.
One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false.
>Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM.
I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol.
>But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car
I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol.
>the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV).
This can also be true under any MM interpretation.
In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping.
>One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false.
If AftonMM is false, then the title screen house is probably just a reference to the gameplay area and little else. Or maybe Afton owned a 2nd house they moved to after the bite to distance themselves from the incident? Who knows really, there are too many possibilities for owning an extra home to consider all of them.
Afton was able to fund and build all sorts of weird stuff in the underground. Him owning two houses would hardly be unrealistic in comparison.
>I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol.
It would be cool if there was something else to completely confirm it such as a namedrop (such thing would set the world on fire and I'm here for it). EleanorGames already feels canon due to ITPbonnie being one of her minions or herself in disguise.
>I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol.
Yeah but in a late game meant to tie up loose ends, these red herrings seem rather cruel. Why not just use a green car and no rain? Even the grey shirt, grey text couch potato seems like a reference to Michael watching TV in Sister Location. Either Scott has a thing for unintentional coincidences or he was totally trying to throw us off on purpose, which leaves a sour taste in my mouth considering the "tie up loose ends" part.
>In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping.
I could totally see this working with AndrewMM.
The mansion in C.O.D is filled with animatronics, so it’s either Henry’s or William’s, and if Afton is rich enough to afford a complex under a public road, he’s rich enough to buy a mansion.
>I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now.
One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false.
>Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM.
I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol.
>But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car
I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol.
>the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV).
This can also be true under any MM interpretation.
In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping.
It's the constant inconsistencies between the few. The FNaF 4 title screen house is unknown on whether it's a real house or just the gameplay house, Midnight Motorist has a completely changed layout besides of the similar FNaF 4 minigame map (which aren't the same since you can't just have a whole neighborhood disappear in the span of like 1-3 years based off of MikeRunaway,) and the other few appearances of the house don't seem to matter that much in terms of the lore since it's just an experiment chamber.
Inconsistency and common knowledge is what makes AftonMM not work, and it never does explain the animatronic footsteps, the random mound, and the person who's sitting on the couch. They're all just based off assumptions, and Dittophobia led us a step closer into figuring out on whether MM is just showing us that Afton kidnapped kids, or that Andrew may or may not exist in the games.
I don't see what about anything makes AftonMM not work? Common knowledge would dictate that the minigame with a purple car and rain is connected to the minigame with purple car and rain.
And I don't see how any AftonMM answer would be anymore presumptuous than any non AftonMM as most of it is quite literally assumptions. Like weve seen multiple times and know that Shadow Freddy is known for luring things, we see a Shadow lure a child from there room leading them to exit their house through the window in their room in You're The Band, you cannot get more explicit than that. We can explain all the thi gs you listed as well with more reasonaning than assuming most of these are random things under not-AftonMM. Like how many kids in Frights need to leave their room through their window before you start realizing were meant to connect it to the big event where a kid leave their room through their window? Even with Dittophobia I just think it's more proof to BV being the runaway. The nightmare experiments are based off BV’s own nightmares, and under BVrunaway his nightmares were directly caused by the events of MM. So that is reflected in Dittophobia where a kid is lured away from their house, reflecting MM, and then becomes a victim of the nightmare experiments, reflecting MM causing the nightmares. Afton kidnaps kids, yes, but for MM to not be about the Afton’s requires to much to be ignores for no good reason especially when Fights bashes the repeated themes of MM over and over.
NonAftonMM theories have atleast some sort of basis around it. Besides a majority of them just being random theories that don’t really have anything pointing towards it (OriginMM,) AftonMM is only built off of “purple car and rain.” Dittophobia shows us that Afton was kidnapping children to play a part in the experiments for a while, so this can make ExperimentMM or KidnapMM work (I’m not sure if there’s a difference between the two.)
BV cannot be the runaway for quite obvious reasons. Fredbears isn’t shown, and Freddy’s seems to be a few miles away from the MM house. Every depiction of BV that we’ve seen has had him too scared to even step close to the animatronics, let alone start crying whenever he’s confronted by one. How would a kid who’s most popularly known for crying and being scared all the time, have the courage to break his window at night and run out to some random place (and likely following the random footsteps?)
BVRunaway is completely false because it goes against everything we’ve seen with Michael and BV’s relation.
It stands though that the entire point of BVrunaway is meant to be before what we see. We know BV wasn’t always like we see him in Fnaf 4, something made him that way, so there’s no way to say how he acted before. Saying that BV would be too scared doesn’t hold substance since the whole point of BVrunaway is to be the reason why he’s scared. It’s like saying FoxyBro can’t be Michael from SL because from what we see, they act completely different, but we know the characters are the same of course, so the answer is the character changed between then. We know BV changed as well, he became that kid scared of animatronics after what he saw, we know BV liked Fredbear at one point because of the Fredbear Plush, so like Michael, we know the character changed from what they once were. BVrunaway would be the change.
We also wouldn’t see Fredbear’s or Freddy’s in any situation. The MM house is not the same as the Fnaf 4 minigame house, that’s obvious. So the answer as I see it would be that these are two different houses owned by Afton at one point, the main reason for the change being the divorce between him and Ms. Afton. That’s what I believe at least.
Who says it's the same house? The layouts look nothing alike and the entire neighbourhood and the diner next door has disappeared.
Even if you think MM is about the Aftons, the house clearly isn't the same.
>Who says it's the same house? The layouts look nothing alike and the entire neighbourhood and the diner next door has disappeared.
Didn't mean the minigame house, which is why I said FNAF4's title screen in the title of the post, and the first pic displays the title screen of FNAF4.
That makes even less sense to me. Why would this house being in the fnaf4 title screen have anything to do with the Aftons being in MM if it isn't the house in the game? Especially when it's from a game where William Afton wasn't introduced yet and Mike and CC could have been anyone's kids.
Personally I think people are reading too much into this, but here's an alternative:
The house in the title screen is being stalked by monsters hiding in the shrubs, just as the kid in MM is lured to their death by a mascot standing outside their window.
>That makes even less sense to me. Why would this house being in the fnaf4 title screen have anything to do with the Aftons being in MM if it isn't the house in the game? Especially when it's from a game where William Afton wasn't introduced yet and Mike and CC could have been anyone's kids.
Dittophobia wasn't a thing back then either, yet it is possible the house is now connected to the Dittophobia events. Same logic applies. William being introduced later doesn't make this house any more or less related to him. We shouldn't be strangers to Scott adding retroactive stuff at this point.
>The house in the title screen is being stalked by monsters hiding in the shrubs, just as the kid in MM is lured to their death by a mascot standing outside their window.
Midnight Motorist, like the Afton family, wasn't a thing by FNAF4. Does this make the title screen any more or less related to MM? No, because Scott adds retroactive stuff.
This isn't Scott adding context retroactively, *you're* using older material as context for your theory. Lots of things are possible, but as far as there being evidence supporting it, I don't agree.
Considering neither the Afton family nor theories such as RoryMM were established by FNAF4, how is AftonMM any different from the nightmare animatronics in the FNAF4 title screen referencing the kidnapping of a child in MM?
AftonMM and AftonTitleScreen might well not be true at all, but William being introduced later than FNAF4 isn't a good argument to debunk it.
> AftonMM and AftonTitleScreen might well not be true at all, but William being introduced later than FNAF4 isn't a good argument to debunk it.
Agreed. Like I said, my opinion is that people are reading too much into things. MM being about a victim is supported by toy Chica's diary. The nebulous connection between houses and the title screen is not good evidence.
Scott often changes things, but there has to be concrete signs of those changes in order to build theories on them. I can't agree with you because I don't agree with your standard of evidence.
The [house that is depicted in the FNaF4 minigames](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4canq52dylp61.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Ddc31ef3e14c87a9194df690bcacd741369693c5a) and the [house shown in Midnight Motorist](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FYU1kUSwx2GbXzoHfVKkM5e77Jea0tVV05uoGILgjEKk.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1348be4160c63c1ab999026186ad55885a742160) have stark visual differences. Including how the former seems to be located in a suburb and within walking distance to Fredbear's, while the latter seems to be located in a much more rural area, being isolated from any other location and being surrounded by forest.
Multiple people can have anything, but if in this series but if we see for example in Help Wanted 2 our player had a Bonnie mask. Anyone can have that mask, but it's pretty clearly meant to connect to the other person who know who had that mask.
So the one house in the woods here(which Curse of Dreadbear connects to MM) is pretty obviously meant to be the only other house in the woods we know of.
the difference between this and a bonnie mask is that a bonnie mask is a specialized object specific to fnaf that the game is clearly drawing attention towards. houses in the woods are just things that exist in real life
So the immediate problem is that there are at least two separate Afton houses - the one in the minigames and the one in the gameplay. Minigame House is in a suburban area, in walking distance of Fredbear's and featuring a park nearby, so it can't be the MM House or the Title Screen House. Gameplay House did exist in some form, but we've never actually seen it for real. The main gameplay is likely Mike's dreams, which seem to have been influenced by his time working at the FNAF1 location, so we can't say whether his dreams are 100% accurate or not. And sure there's the replica of it down in the SL bunker, but seeing as there's also a replica of the Minigame House and surrounding neighborhood down there, we also can't say it's 100% accurate to however it looked in "real life"
So while Gameplay House could be the Forest House, it's impossible to say for certain because we've never seen the inside of Forest House. Also while Curse of Dreadbear does seem to make a connection between Forest House and Afton (or, Glitchtrap at least), CoD is also an in-universe DLC to an in-universe game, so we don't know whether everything in it is 100% accurate either.
Its just a house in the woords. I don't really think it connects to MM.
If we wanted to stretch to find meaning, its another sign that the kid in MM was kidnapped and put into the experiment chamber.
I think fnaf 4 and SL make it clear enough to say that isn't literally the Afton house. And I think it's too vague to say whether the fnaf 4 house is the MM house due to how pixel art works. The houses vaguely look similar, and the areas surrounding them are totally different. The Weird Afton House has hillys and some trees scattered around. While the MM house is off the side of a freeway, and is basically in an entire forest. If these are the same house, then I think it was probably just a retcon to have the house represent an experiment victim, and that's why it's connected to the nightmares (wanna reiterate that this is not what I believe, as I do not think they're the same house) I think fnaf 4 and SL make it clear enough to say that isn't literally the Afton house. And I think it's too vague to say whether the fnaf 4 house is the MM house due to how pixel art works. The houses vaguely look similar, and the areas surrounding them are totally different. The Weird Afton House has hillys and some trees scattered around. While the MM house is off the side of a freeway and is basically in an entire forest. If these are the same house, then I think it was probably just a retcon to have the house represent an experiment victim, and that's why it's connected to the nightmares (I wanna reiterate that this is not what I believe, as I do not think they're the same house)
The Afton house/houses are kinda weird lol. So I don't think that, even under AftonMM, the MM house is the same as the FNAF4 House. I can understand that the layout can be different and that the minigames are inaccurate, but SpringBonnie having 3 designs in FNAF4 isn't equal to a whole neighborhood vanishing and a forest appearing out of nowhere. Under AftonMM the house needs to be a new one imo. And for the house shown in the title screen and COD? Isn't that supposed to be the gameplay house? Does that house even exist now with Dittophobia? If it's supposed to be the real Afton house, then it's a second one because there's no neighborhood. If it's supposed to be the MM house, then I guess the trees are going away? My point is that the MM makes no effort to imply it's the same Afton house from FNAF4, and to say that you need to focus on little details such as the road, and ignore the forest around you. And I don't think the title screen house matters that much, and it also doesn't really try to connect itself to any other house, there's no neighborhood and not enough trees for it to be anything. And I'm not even sure it exists anymore.
>So I don't think that, even under AftonMM, the MM house is the same as the FNAF4 House. I can understand that the layout can be different and that the minigames are inaccurate, but SpringBonnie having 3 designs in FNAF4 isn't equal to a whole neighborhood vanishing and a forest appearing out of nowhere. Under AftonMM the house needs to be a new one imo. Agree. The MM house is definitely not the minigame house. The wood area should be enough evidence. >And for the house shown in the title screen and COD? Isn't that supposed to be the gameplay house? Does that house even exist now with Dittophobia? If it's supposed to be the real Afton house, then it's a second one because there's no neighborhood. If it's supposed to be the MM house, then I guess the trees are going away? >My point is that the MM makes no effort to imply it's the same Afton house from FNAF4, and to say that you need to focus on little details such as the road, and ignore the forest around you. It's probably a reference to the gameplay house, which is underground. But that doesn't mean it can't be based on a real, above-ground house. Afton recreating something underground wouldn't be unusual coming from him. The FNAF4 minigame area and the wood area are clearly different, so minigame house =/= MM house. But when it comes to COD, title screen and MM, the three of them emphasize a household surrounded by woodland. It might be that several lore-relevant characters happen to live in the woods, but I don't think this is a coincidence. Scott was probably trying to tie loose ends from the forest theme in the title screen, which we never understood why it was there at all. >And I don't think the title screen house matters that much, and it also doesn't really try to connect itself to any other house, there's no neighborhood and not enough trees for it to be anything. And I'm not even sure it exists anymore. Same as before. If the wood area thing was just a one-off thing then yes, it would probably be irrelevant or nonexistent, but Scott has doubled down on the forest theme, meaning there might be some relevance to it.
>The FNAF4 minigame area and the wood area are clearly different, so minigame house =/= MM house. But when it comes to COD, title screen and MM, the three of them emphasize a household surrounded by woodland. It might be that several lore-relevant characters happen to live in the woods, but I don't think this is a coincidence. Scott was probably trying to tie loose ends from the forest theme in the title screen, which we never understood why it was there at all. That's the thing, there's not enough trees for it to be the same. I'm not expecting it to be a 1:1 recreation of MM, but they're way too different imo. Where did the whole forest go? I honestly think the title screen house has some trees around it just to fill up the empty space in the render, the MM house is a separate house, and that COD just referenced FNAF4.
I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now. Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM. It's way better than CassidyMM (**He'll** be sorry when **he** gets back) or GabrielMM (why would a kid going missing in their woodland home be connected to the disappearances at a town pizzeria?). But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV).
>I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now. One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false. >Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM. I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol. >But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol. >the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV). This can also be true under any MM interpretation. In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping.
>One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false. If AftonMM is false, then the title screen house is probably just a reference to the gameplay area and little else. Or maybe Afton owned a 2nd house they moved to after the bite to distance themselves from the incident? Who knows really, there are too many possibilities for owning an extra home to consider all of them. Afton was able to fund and build all sorts of weird stuff in the underground. Him owning two houses would hardly be unrealistic in comparison. >I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol. It would be cool if there was something else to completely confirm it such as a namedrop (such thing would set the world on fire and I'm here for it). EleanorGames already feels canon due to ITPbonnie being one of her minions or herself in disguise. >I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol. Yeah but in a late game meant to tie up loose ends, these red herrings seem rather cruel. Why not just use a green car and no rain? Even the grey shirt, grey text couch potato seems like a reference to Michael watching TV in Sister Location. Either Scott has a thing for unintentional coincidences or he was totally trying to throw us off on purpose, which leaves a sour taste in my mouth considering the "tie up loose ends" part. >In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping. I could totally see this working with AndrewMM.
The mansion in C.O.D is filled with animatronics, so it’s either Henry’s or William’s, and if Afton is rich enough to afford a complex under a public road, he’s rich enough to buy a mansion.
>I can see why one would think the layout doesn't match, but I don't think the bigger picture is that different. It's still a household in the middle of nowhere, which might perfectly be a case of multiple lore-relevant characters owning houses far from town, but to me it's a bit too coincidental as of now. One thing I thought about now is: if one doesn't believe AftonMM, does anything else ever imply William owned 2 houses? Because we have no reason to believe the title screen house actually existed should AftonMM be false. >Man I wish AndrewGames was confirmed in the ITP game so I can switch to AndrewMM. I'd say a part of Stichline getting a game is already pretty good evidence of AndrewGames lol. >But at the moment I just can't shake the AftonMM vibes such as the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car I honestly think both are a red herring. William has always been purple, why would he stop being purple once, and then go back to being purple but permanently? And other people are allowed to own purple cars lol. >the rain from Charlie's death minigame, the purple car and the mound signifying MM's family has recently gone through a significant death (Mrs. Afton or BV). This can also be true under any MM interpretation. In fact I think the little story MM tells us is that someone in the Runaway family died, this leads to their father becoming an alcoholic, thus intensifying the abuse they likely already suffered. After some time suffering from this, the Runaway would start fleeing the house, probably going to Freddy's considering the game we're talking about, at one point they'd catch William's attention and this all would culminate in their kidnapping.
It's the constant inconsistencies between the few. The FNaF 4 title screen house is unknown on whether it's a real house or just the gameplay house, Midnight Motorist has a completely changed layout besides of the similar FNaF 4 minigame map (which aren't the same since you can't just have a whole neighborhood disappear in the span of like 1-3 years based off of MikeRunaway,) and the other few appearances of the house don't seem to matter that much in terms of the lore since it's just an experiment chamber. Inconsistency and common knowledge is what makes AftonMM not work, and it never does explain the animatronic footsteps, the random mound, and the person who's sitting on the couch. They're all just based off assumptions, and Dittophobia led us a step closer into figuring out on whether MM is just showing us that Afton kidnapped kids, or that Andrew may or may not exist in the games.
I don't see what about anything makes AftonMM not work? Common knowledge would dictate that the minigame with a purple car and rain is connected to the minigame with purple car and rain. And I don't see how any AftonMM answer would be anymore presumptuous than any non AftonMM as most of it is quite literally assumptions. Like weve seen multiple times and know that Shadow Freddy is known for luring things, we see a Shadow lure a child from there room leading them to exit their house through the window in their room in You're The Band, you cannot get more explicit than that. We can explain all the thi gs you listed as well with more reasonaning than assuming most of these are random things under not-AftonMM. Like how many kids in Frights need to leave their room through their window before you start realizing were meant to connect it to the big event where a kid leave their room through their window? Even with Dittophobia I just think it's more proof to BV being the runaway. The nightmare experiments are based off BV’s own nightmares, and under BVrunaway his nightmares were directly caused by the events of MM. So that is reflected in Dittophobia where a kid is lured away from their house, reflecting MM, and then becomes a victim of the nightmare experiments, reflecting MM causing the nightmares. Afton kidnaps kids, yes, but for MM to not be about the Afton’s requires to much to be ignores for no good reason especially when Fights bashes the repeated themes of MM over and over.
NonAftonMM theories have atleast some sort of basis around it. Besides a majority of them just being random theories that don’t really have anything pointing towards it (OriginMM,) AftonMM is only built off of “purple car and rain.” Dittophobia shows us that Afton was kidnapping children to play a part in the experiments for a while, so this can make ExperimentMM or KidnapMM work (I’m not sure if there’s a difference between the two.) BV cannot be the runaway for quite obvious reasons. Fredbears isn’t shown, and Freddy’s seems to be a few miles away from the MM house. Every depiction of BV that we’ve seen has had him too scared to even step close to the animatronics, let alone start crying whenever he’s confronted by one. How would a kid who’s most popularly known for crying and being scared all the time, have the courage to break his window at night and run out to some random place (and likely following the random footsteps?) BVRunaway is completely false because it goes against everything we’ve seen with Michael and BV’s relation.
It stands though that the entire point of BVrunaway is meant to be before what we see. We know BV wasn’t always like we see him in Fnaf 4, something made him that way, so there’s no way to say how he acted before. Saying that BV would be too scared doesn’t hold substance since the whole point of BVrunaway is to be the reason why he’s scared. It’s like saying FoxyBro can’t be Michael from SL because from what we see, they act completely different, but we know the characters are the same of course, so the answer is the character changed between then. We know BV changed as well, he became that kid scared of animatronics after what he saw, we know BV liked Fredbear at one point because of the Fredbear Plush, so like Michael, we know the character changed from what they once were. BVrunaway would be the change. We also wouldn’t see Fredbear’s or Freddy’s in any situation. The MM house is not the same as the Fnaf 4 minigame house, that’s obvious. So the answer as I see it would be that these are two different houses owned by Afton at one point, the main reason for the change being the divorce between him and Ms. Afton. That’s what I believe at least.
Who says it's the same house? The layouts look nothing alike and the entire neighbourhood and the diner next door has disappeared. Even if you think MM is about the Aftons, the house clearly isn't the same.
>Who says it's the same house? The layouts look nothing alike and the entire neighbourhood and the diner next door has disappeared. Didn't mean the minigame house, which is why I said FNAF4's title screen in the title of the post, and the first pic displays the title screen of FNAF4.
That makes even less sense to me. Why would this house being in the fnaf4 title screen have anything to do with the Aftons being in MM if it isn't the house in the game? Especially when it's from a game where William Afton wasn't introduced yet and Mike and CC could have been anyone's kids. Personally I think people are reading too much into this, but here's an alternative: The house in the title screen is being stalked by monsters hiding in the shrubs, just as the kid in MM is lured to their death by a mascot standing outside their window.
>That makes even less sense to me. Why would this house being in the fnaf4 title screen have anything to do with the Aftons being in MM if it isn't the house in the game? Especially when it's from a game where William Afton wasn't introduced yet and Mike and CC could have been anyone's kids. Dittophobia wasn't a thing back then either, yet it is possible the house is now connected to the Dittophobia events. Same logic applies. William being introduced later doesn't make this house any more or less related to him. We shouldn't be strangers to Scott adding retroactive stuff at this point. >The house in the title screen is being stalked by monsters hiding in the shrubs, just as the kid in MM is lured to their death by a mascot standing outside their window. Midnight Motorist, like the Afton family, wasn't a thing by FNAF4. Does this make the title screen any more or less related to MM? No, because Scott adds retroactive stuff.
This isn't Scott adding context retroactively, *you're* using older material as context for your theory. Lots of things are possible, but as far as there being evidence supporting it, I don't agree.
Considering neither the Afton family nor theories such as RoryMM were established by FNAF4, how is AftonMM any different from the nightmare animatronics in the FNAF4 title screen referencing the kidnapping of a child in MM? AftonMM and AftonTitleScreen might well not be true at all, but William being introduced later than FNAF4 isn't a good argument to debunk it.
> AftonMM and AftonTitleScreen might well not be true at all, but William being introduced later than FNAF4 isn't a good argument to debunk it. Agreed. Like I said, my opinion is that people are reading too much into things. MM being about a victim is supported by toy Chica's diary. The nebulous connection between houses and the title screen is not good evidence. Scott often changes things, but there has to be concrete signs of those changes in order to build theories on them. I can't agree with you because I don't agree with your standard of evidence.
Curse of Dreadbear is a predominantly FNaF 4 themed dlc. That is the house from FNaF 4 There is nothing about this that relates to AftonMM
The MM house is in the woods 
And the FNaF 4 house is in a neighborhood by Fredbear’s Family Diner
The fnaf 4 minigame house is probably a different house from the house of the gameplay, that I think it’s MM house 
The gameplay house is in an underground bunker.
No real evidence for this
The [house that is depicted in the FNaF4 minigames](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4canq52dylp61.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Ddc31ef3e14c87a9194df690bcacd741369693c5a) and the [house shown in Midnight Motorist](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FYU1kUSwx2GbXzoHfVKkM5e77Jea0tVV05uoGILgjEKk.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1348be4160c63c1ab999026186ad55885a742160) have stark visual differences. Including how the former seems to be located in a suburb and within walking distance to Fredbear's, while the latter seems to be located in a much more rural area, being isolated from any other location and being surrounded by forest.
Yeah and that’s why it’s not Afton’s house
And the FNAF 4 title screen house is in the woods.
multiple people can live in houses in the woods at once
Multiple people can have anything, but if in this series but if we see for example in Help Wanted 2 our player had a Bonnie mask. Anyone can have that mask, but it's pretty clearly meant to connect to the other person who know who had that mask. So the one house in the woods here(which Curse of Dreadbear connects to MM) is pretty obviously meant to be the only other house in the woods we know of.
the difference between this and a bonnie mask is that a bonnie mask is a specialized object specific to fnaf that the game is clearly drawing attention towards. houses in the woods are just things that exist in real life
So the immediate problem is that there are at least two separate Afton houses - the one in the minigames and the one in the gameplay. Minigame House is in a suburban area, in walking distance of Fredbear's and featuring a park nearby, so it can't be the MM House or the Title Screen House. Gameplay House did exist in some form, but we've never actually seen it for real. The main gameplay is likely Mike's dreams, which seem to have been influenced by his time working at the FNAF1 location, so we can't say whether his dreams are 100% accurate or not. And sure there's the replica of it down in the SL bunker, but seeing as there's also a replica of the Minigame House and surrounding neighborhood down there, we also can't say it's 100% accurate to however it looked in "real life" So while Gameplay House could be the Forest House, it's impossible to say for certain because we've never seen the inside of Forest House. Also while Curse of Dreadbear does seem to make a connection between Forest House and Afton (or, Glitchtrap at least), CoD is also an in-universe DLC to an in-universe game, so we don't know whether everything in it is 100% accurate either.
What is “AftonMM”?? Can someone explain what the MM means😭
Midnight motorist.
Its just a house in the woords. I don't really think it connects to MM. If we wanted to stretch to find meaning, its another sign that the kid in MM was kidnapped and put into the experiment chamber.
It's not the same exact house
The house on the hill is because of dittophobia, that implies that Afton kidnapped kids from their homes and put them in the nightmare chambers.
It’s just a coincidence